Ways to defeat Itachi with his hype intact

[KCMNaruto]

There is no way at all to defeat the solo king .

Yes it is and athough no character meet stated by me conditions it would work.

But concession accepted

 

[true enigma]

Trolls have no voice or right to say. Sorry but only actions reach me. Words are pointless like that

Ohhh im soooo sorry..


What i meant to say was

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[-immortal-]

Because I wrote what conditions one has to meet to beat Itachi abd yes it comes along with manga although all these conditions were never meet by ant charactee as we have seen. Still no shown!=couldnt work

I can accept your concession.

You only pointed out Susano or base itachi. Because you know there is no counter for [ Finger genjutsu, tsukiyomi KA and izanami ]
That Character X loses against itachi is inevitable. Kishi said he is invincible not me. That you write an essay against kishi fact is not my problem at all bro.

I can accept your concession.

 

[Yata Mirror]

how can you defeat God??
Itachi solos
Yata GG

 

[KCMNaruto]

Ohhh im soooo sorry..


What i meant to say was

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Correct as long as he has susanoo already used and has chakra to use. Too bad itachi lacks infinite stamina to be invincible for enternity

You only pointer out Susano or base itachi. Because you know there is no counter for [ Finger genjutsu, tsukiyomi KA and izanami ]
That Character X loses against itachi is inevitavle. Kishi said he is invincible not me. That you write an essay against kishi fact is not my problem at all bro.

I can accept your concession.

Finger genjutsu can not harm one who meet conditions o statef so please read more carefully. Tsukyiomi already adressed and ka is not itachi own wcen then can only be used through crow. Izanami already adressed.

It is NOT TO prove Itachi is NOT invincible WHILE using weapons and susanoo but rather his human flaws to close invincible mode which is nothing besides just wearing down which AGAIN i not claim being easy BUT POSSIBLE

PLEASE REREAD OP

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

Yes it is and athough no character meet stated bt me conditions it would work.

But concession accepted

No there isnt any way to beat him

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[LoZelda101]

Correct but if it is self aware process I mean genjutsu then in theory if you would move faster then sharingan eye would react it would do it

Also no genjutsu except tsukyiomi from Itachi is threat here just all of them would be used as distractions or to buy time getting full susanoo or am I wrong ?

All itachi need is a small window time to totsuka =GG

Genjutsu enables that small window time (that's even if they can break it) whether by successfully GEN them or forcing them to not look at itachi and surrounding just to avoid getting genjutsu'ed which would lead to them getting totsuka or amaterasu'ed.

It's only self aware if they sense or see it coming. Which base off previous itachi feats is very unlikely. Ao even said itachi gen is so skilled that even the sensory division cant detect it

Also you forget about shadow clone explosion and crow clone flank. Very useful to bait the opponent and get them caught off guard to more genjutsu.

 

[KCMNaruto]

how can you defeat God??
Itachi solos
Yata GG

Can you even read ?

IB is reeally immature to not even read before posting

Yes he is as long as he can use susanoo. Reread op please

 

[Trúth]

Oh sorry buddy. I am phone right now so I can rearrange it bbut will do tommorow. Can you take your time and read it ? I appreciate and value your opinion. Try to be objective also no trolling. I am sure it was positive Itachi thread so hope it would be good debate

Sure thing.

Overall problems I see right away:
-In all scenarios Itachi is basically unprepared while his opponent is not. This is something that is extremely unlikely.

-It doesn't take into account the various ways Itachi has to defeat most opponents before it even really begins.

Ok guys please no trolling or hating as this thread takes Itachi with all hype and feats he has recieved.

1) blitzing speed which would prevent itachi from reacting to you so no susanoo which needed for yata and totsuka to manifest. Also speed which could prevent you from making eye contact as his genjutsu especially tsukyiomi with time manipulation leaves you in devasted mind state while even if you can continue Itachi would have weapons already ready.

Few ninja are fast enough to give Itachi no time to react or cast genjutsu. Lets keep in mind he already has the best speed feats (by far) for both casting genjutsu and activating susano'o.

2) if you encounter itachi protected by susanoo(no spiritual weapons) then you need blitzing speed along with powerfull piercing attack or not charging nuke to kill him before weapons are out.

What is Itachi supposed to be standing still? Because (again) very few ninja are ever going to be blitzing him. I could count the ones that could on one hand.

If this was ever managed it would be inside a genjustu, or against a crow clone.

3) if you encounter Itachi protected by spiritual weapons susanoo then you need to force him to keep using at least v2 susanoo while you can not get in his reach. Blitzing speed and supperior reaction time is must to not get totsuka pierced. Flying speed would be very usefull but even without it in open field character could keep dodging which either requires knowlegde or having a lot of luck to not come in contact with it while throwing nuke at him from distance. All methods rely on wearing down Itachi.

The idea that someone can force Itachi to keep a v2 susano'o up constantly while avoiding him at the same time is ridiculous. The best bet is attacking from the air (like Deidera on his bird) but even then Itachi can escape underground or simply avoid the attacks.

Also wearing down Itachi is much easier said than done.

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Itachi had his susano'o activated for over an entire chapter after already exhausting himself. Not to mention that was when he was terminally ill, which isn't the case in most scenarios you'll find on NB. If you want the entire rundown on his chakra capacity, then read for yourself. It isn't by any means low.


> Before his battle with Sasuke Itachi sent out two Karasu Bunshins [Crow Clones] to meet both Sasuke and Naruto [

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> Itachi, not taking Sasuke serious yet, used genjutsu three times in a row as the fight commensed [

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> Itachi then used another Karasu Bunshin [

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> Used one his chakra taxing MS techniques, Tsukiyomi [

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> Used the Katon: Gōkakyū no Jutsu [Fire Release: Grand Fireball technique] not once, but twice in a row [

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> Itachi then proceeded to use his second MS technique, Amaterasu [

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> Shortly after straining himself by using Amaterasu twice in a row, Itachi is forced to throw up his third and final MS technique, Susano'o, in order to protect himself from the destructive power of Sasukes' kirin [

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> Itachi decided to throw up the final version of his susano'o armed with the two legendary weapons [

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> And to top it all off, while Itachi had already overly exhausted himself, he still managed to use a transcription seal [fuinjutsu] and sealed away one last Amaterasu within Sasuke [

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Once he can not enter complete susanoo you can nuke him or strike but still avoid eye contact.

Itachi is not limited to sharingan genjutsu nor are his legs broken. :|

 

[-immortal-]

Correct as long as he has susanoo already used and has chakra to use. Too bad itacchi lacks infinite stamina to be invincible for enternity



Finger genjutsu can not harm one who meet conditions o statef so please read more carefully. Tsukyiomi already adressed and ka is not itachi own wcen then can only be used through crow. Izanami already adressed.

It is NOT TO prove Itachi is NOT invincible WHILE using weapons and susanoo but rather his human flaws to close invincible mode which is nothing besides just wearing down which AGAIN i not claim being easy BUT POSSIBLE

PLEASE REREAD OP

Aight dad :lol

 

[KCMNaruto]

No there isnt any way to beat him

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AND DO YOU EVEN SEE shaded color around him ?

Yes this is Susanoo and can it be uses for ever.

no ! There you go...

All itachi need is a small window time to totsuka =GG

Genjutsu enables that small window time (that's if they can break it) whether by successfully GEN them or forcing them to not look at itachi and surrounding just to avoid getting genjutsu'ed which would lead to them getting totsuka or amaterasu'ed.

It's only self aware if they sense or see it coming. Which base off previous itachi feats is very unlikely.

Also you forget about shadow clone explosion and crow clone flank. Very useful to bait the opponent and get them caught off guard to more genjutsu.

Ok I will reply tommorow as i am going to sleep . I swear you are one of the most mature of IB.

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

AND DO YOU EVEN SEE shaded color around him ?

Yes this is Susanoo and can it be uses for ever.

no ! There you go...


Ok I will reply tommorow as i am going to sleep . I swear you are one of the most mature of IB.

Lol Itachi doesnt only have susanoo, he has tsukuyomi which is unbreakable unless you have MS and Uchiha blood .

 

[Angelic.]

Kamui gg grants an exception

 

[baul 24]

Shisui was the only one who could beat him fair and square. Plus, he had better Genjutsu range.

On the other hand, you also have Muu, who Itachi has no chance of defeating, because he can turn invisible. Only a sensor type ninja can beat him.

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Please show me a scan sharingan cannot see muu when he is invisible.

 

[baul 24]

there is a reason why kishi made itachi weak, gave him a plot disease so not to make him too powerful and other characters don't look weak against him. Naruto will be over long time ago with out his plot induced incurable disease.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

U forgot. His finger gen and FTC

 

[YellowFang]

You mean someone like Minato could've easily debunked all of Itachi's hype if Kishi had dared to put them against...

But I still believe it'd be the closest battle but Minato with the winning edge...

 

[KCMNaruto]

Sure thing.

Overall problems I see right away:
-In all scenarios Itachi is basically unprepared while his opponent is not. This is something that is extremely unlikely.

-It doesn't take into account the various ways Itachi has to defeat most opponents before it even really begins.

Few ninja are fast enough to give Itachi no time to react or cast genjutsu. Lets keep in mind he already has the best speed feats (by far) for both casting genjutsu and activating susano'o.

Well I know it seems unlikely but I only takes this approach at first to see if any exploit of Itachi's weakness or disadvantage would be work on him. Later I though to make both fanfic character and Itachi knowing about each other abilities.

I doubt Itachi could do anything to such fanfic characters with abilities I mentioned, unless he brings out Susanoo or somehow make eye contact with opponent while he can spam nuke from distance.

I know Itachi is really fast and has great reflex, but I am talking about creating fanfic character with conditions I mentioned and see if it would work on him.

What is Itachi supposed to be standing still? Because (again) very few ninja are ever going to be blitzing him. I could count the ones that could on one hand.

If this was ever managed it would be inside a genjustu, or against a crow clone.

Well once he would enter Susanoo yes, because he wouldn't take a risk getting out of Susanoo when his opponent is long range type who can keeping throwing nuke if needed.

Of course, but I am only speaking about these few who can. Maybe, unless opponent can keep avoiding eye contact or is somehow resistant to it.

The idea that someone can force Itachi to keep a v2 susano'o up constantly while avoiding him at the same time is ridiculous. The best bet is attacking from the air (like Deidera on his bird) but even then Itachi can escape underground or simply avoid the attacks.

Also wearing down Itachi is much easier said than done.
Itachi is not limited to sharingan genjutsu nor are his legs broken. :|

I know it would be hard, although Take for example even Naruto. If he was flying out of Itachi's reach while throwing nuke from time to time to stop Itachi from dropping susanoo wouldn't it wear down Itachi to the point he could not use Susanoo anymore ?. Of course we would assume either Naruto knows about Totsuka or simply has great luck on his side. Even then can Naruto meet even all conditions I mentioned ?

How could Itachi avoid TBB without Susanoo out ?. Would he even take a risk, I doubt. He would rather try to fool enemy to decrease distance and Totsuka him or throw Magatama to get small window and strike but if he can not just reach enemy while nuke is big aoe, Itachi would only hope opponent looses his power before Itachi runs out his own, right ?

Yeah, wearing down wouldn't be easy, unless you are Kaguya who uses her mind. Just switch to Lava or sea of acid dimenssiion and Itachi who can not fly would be forced to constantly keep Yata mirror along with Susanoo used to be not burned while Kaguya would only need to keep her distance from him to net get hit by Totsuka, right ?

Aight dad :lol

Good, come back when you reread.

Lol Itachi doesnt only have susanoo, he has tsukuyomi which is unbreakable unless you have MS and Uchiha blood .

Correct, but Can genjutsu be even use from long rage ? I doubt that, also wouldn't Susanoo be so much taxxing for Itachi to be not able to risk using other ms ability ?

Kamui gg grants an exception

Maybe, but I am not going to discuss that as it is not vs, just what if.

there is a reason why kishi made itachi weak, gave him a plot disease so not to make him too powerful and other characters don't look weak against him. Naruto will be over long time ago with out his plot induced incurable disease.

Exactly, that why he couldn't get him massive stamina or even mobility while using Susanoo because he would stay invincible for long periods of time.

U forgot. His finger gen and FTC

Finger Genjutsu can be used on long range, it is only up to mid range the most.

What FTC is ?

You mean someone like Minato could've easily debunked all of Itachi's hype if Kishi had dared to put them against...

But I still believe it'd be the closest battle but Minato with the winning edge...

I don't want to take it into vs, but I would see Minato opening S/T for Totsuka to comes out in distance so he would get small window to act, but he is too slow for Itachi's eyes to be fooled, even if he teleports behind Itachi, then Itachi would have time to react before Minato reaching him, so Minato would need power to break Susanoo which is doubtfull and even then Yata Mirror which couldn't be passed.

All itachi need is a small window time to totsuka =GG

Genjutsu enables that small window time (that's even if they can break it) whether by successfully GEN them or forcing them to not look at itachi and surrounding just to avoid getting genjutsu'ed which would lead to them getting totsuka or amaterasu'ed.

It's only self aware if they sense or see it coming. Which base off previous itachi feats is very unlikely. Ao even said itachi gen is so skilled that even the sensory division cant detect it

Also you forget about shadow clone explosion and crow clone flank. Very useful to bait the opponent and get them caught off guard to more genjutsu.

Well that only if we are talking about scenario number 3, because you assumes he already has susanoo manifested along with weapons. I agree that genjutsu may create small window which could be used for Totsuka gg.

However how it would work on long rage enemy who just can not be reached by Totsuka or Itachi's genjutsu... like you can keep throwing nuke at him from long distance he would be forced to keep using susanoo and as I said his Susanoo mobility is mostly limited. That of course assuming Itachi was forced to use it because even if he jumps next to you and manifest it then character with suggested by me conditions would simply get away and again increase distance while not allowing Itachi to take risk leaving Susanoo...

so you assumes Itachi's sharingan eye can not be outspeed aka no react before strike connects, right ?. However sharginan genjutsu being self aware process is not instant, right ?

clone and explosion and crow flank are alright, but once Itachi goes for Susanoo would he risk even dropping it for moment to use crows or explosion clones ?. I doubt it, especially how stressing and exhausting seems to Itachi keeping Susanoo.

 

[Trúth]

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Well I know it seems unlikely but I only takes this approach at first to see if any exploit of Itachi's weakness or disadvantage would be work on him. Later I though to make both fanfic character and Itachi knowing about each other abilities.

I doubt Itachi could do anything to such fanfic characters with abilities I mentioned, unless he brings out Susanoo or somehow make eye contact with opponent while he can spam nuke from distance.

I know Itachi is really fast and has great reflex, but I am talking about creating fanfic character with conditions I mentioned and see if it would work on him.



Well once he would enter Susanoo yes, because he wouldn't take a risk getting out of Susanoo when his opponent is long range type who can keeping throwing nuke if needed.

Of course, but I am only speaking about these few who can. Maybe, unless opponent can keep avoiding eye contact or is somehow resistant to it.



I know it would be hard, although Take for example even Naruto. If he was flying out of Itachi's reach while throwing nuke from time to time to stop Itachi from dropping susanoo wouldn't it wear down Itachi to the point he could not use Susanoo anymore ?. Of course we would assume either Naruto knows about Totsuka or simply has great luck on his side. Even then can Naruto meet even all conditions I mentioned ?

How could Itachi avoid TBB without Susanoo out ?. Would he even take a risk, I doubt. He would rather try to fool enemy to decrease distance and Totsuka him or throw Magatama to get small window and strike but if he can not just reach enemy while nuke is big aoe, Itachi would only hope opponent looses his power before Itachi runs out his own, right ?

Yeah, wearing down wouldn't be easy, unless you are Kaguya who uses her mind. Just switch to Lava or sea of acid dimenssiion and Itachi who can not fly would be forced to constantly keep Yata mirror along with Susanoo used to be not burned while Kaguya would only need to keep her distance from him to net get hit by Totsuka, right ?

You're describing a character who is fast enough to blitz Itachi before he can activate susano'o, can uses nukes nukes to force him to keep up susano'o, has superior chakra reserves, and is capable of avoiding all of his genjutsu.

Of course Itachi is going to lose.

 

[KCMNaruto]

You're describing a character who is fast enough to blitz Itachi before he can activate susano'o, can uses nukes nukes to force him to keep up susano'o, has superior chakra reserves, and is capable of avoiding all of his genjutsu.

Of course Itachi is going to lose.

That all I wanted to hear, I mean so you accept these conditions would make character capable of beating Itachi, right ?
So it seems it is possible to beat invincible Itachi but only due to short time he can be invincible but still it is hard to meet these conditions if even possible right ?

Do you agree about Kaguya's example ?, What about RSM Naruto with knowledge about Itachi, I think he would pull it off, bascially nukes and long range technique is must, right ?