Minato can teleport users out of Susanoo

[Dantee]

Not really, its still the same chakra signature.

No it's not. That's like saying you can put the user in genjutsu because one clone was caught in genjutsu. You are running out of straws here....

 

[Brooks]

Yup. Exactly.

Susano'o, unlike most other jutsus, is never "finished" being created. Meaning it's always attached to the user's chakra network in some fashion.

^Pretty much this.

Lets say we agree with the statement of Minato teleporting Susanoo....it would still be useless as he teleports the user with it.

 

[Yatori]

So susano absolute defense is bunked. How about perfect susano?

 

[Remedy]

No it's not. That's like saying you can put the user in genjutsu because one clone was caught in genjutsu. You are running out of straws here....

Chakra signature, not network, I'm going off your assumptions remember? So now Susanoo has a chakra network?

 

[The Necromancer]

That's not fanfic, its common sense and deductive thinking. Did he not create a clone, and warp it, without being warped himself? He has selective warping feats. Susanoo though connected, is a separate barrier from the user, which is why they can be taken out of it.

So speculation. Got it.

The usual.

 

[Remedy]

So speculation. Got it.

The usual.

So what I said wasn't fact's? got it.

 

[The Necromancer]

So what I said wasn't fact's? got it.

If it was, we wouldn't be talking, now would we?

 

[Dantee]

Chakra signature, not network, I'm going off your assumptions remember? So now Susanoo has a chakra network?

Chakra network/signature whatever the terms are confusing. You said Minato had selective warping feats but thats only because he warped individuals who had different chakras all together. Susanoo is not comparable to a different individual person or a clone.

Susanoo is the users chakra manifested around them and connected to the level Sasuke "can feel his cells ache while using it".

Thus you replied "Minato can warp his clone so he can warp Susanoo". However the clones warp itself, Minato doesn't need to warp the clones because shadow clones use same abilities as user. so What sense would that make anwyay?

And no it's not the same in the context you're trying to apply it here.

Then you don't even realize how different a clone is from susanoo and steadily ignore it. Shadow clones have a seperate network of their own and can actually be an exception to the rule. Thus I brought up the genjutsu example.

Anyways your out of straws here man.

 

[Remedy]

If it was, we wouldn't be talking, now would we?

1. Can a user be taken out of his susanoo? Yes, check.
2. Did Minato not create a clone based off his own chakra signature, and warp it without being teleported along with it? Yes, check.
3. Did Minato not teleport Sasuke outside his susanoo in the scan? Yes.

Yet here we are.

 

[Remedy]

Chakra network/signature whatever the terms are confusing. You said Minato had selective warping feats but thats only because he warped individuals who had different chakras all together. Susanoo is not comparable to a different individual person or a clone.

Susanoo is the users chakra manifested around them and connected to the level Sasuke "can feel his cells ache while using it".

Thus you replied "Minato can warp his clone so he can warp Susanoo"even though the clones warp itself. And no it's not the same in the context you're trying to apply it here.

Then you don't even realize how different a clone is from susanoo and steadily ignore it. Shadow clones have a seperate network of thier own and can actually be an exception to the rule.

Anyways your out of straws here man.

Minato teleports things based off chakra and signature, not network, that's my point

 

[Dantee]

Minato teleports things based off chakra and signature, not network, that's my point

okay and the user and susanoo have the same chakra and signature. Honestly this is getting redundant and you're not bring up any new points here. Minatards can believe what they want tbh.

 

[Remedy]

okay and the user and susanoo have the same chakra and signature. Honestly this is getting redundant and you're not bring up any new points here. Minatards can believe what they want tbh.

Don't try and spin this, you are the one who said Minato can't selectively teleport persons/jutsu's of the same chakra signature, I brought up an instance where he did, you just don't accept it, simple as that.

 

[Dantee]

Don't try and spin this, you are the one who said Minato can't selectively teleport persons/jutsu's of the same chakra signature, I brought up an instance where he did, you just don't accept it, simple as that.

Lel whatever bro. Acting like shadow clones can't teleport itself tho right? We all know Minato can't do this shet so step into a vs thread with this and get your ass ripped for fanfic.

 

[Remedy]

Lel whatever bro. Acting like shadow clones can't teleport itself tho right? We all know Minato can't do this shet so step into a vs thread with this and get your ass ripped for fanfic.

I never said shadowclones can't teleport themselves, I said they are of the same chakra signature, since they are also independent in mind and chakra network, its the same logic. Vs thread? Pointless. Haha you mad bro? I thought we were discussing? you can't be raging and shit when people differ with you.

 

[Dantee]

I never said shadowclones can't teleport themselves, I said they are of the same chakra signature, since they are also independent in mind and chakra network, its the same logic. Vs thread? Pointless. Haha you mad bro? I thought we were discussing? you can't be raging and shit when people differ with you.

You're just not making any sense now is all. so theres no point in continuing to argue when you kepp bringing up defeated points.

 

[Remedy]

You're just not making any sense now is all. so theres no point in continuing to argue when you kepp bringing up defeated points.

You failed at defeating anything, your only argument was that the clone teleported itself, and it has a seperate network, which really didn't touch anything I was conveying.

 

[Dantee]

You failed at defeating anything, your only argument was that the clone teleported itself, and it has a seperate network, which really didn't touch anything I was conveying.

Ahh I see what I've failed to also explain to you regarding the shadow clone bit. the fine mechanics of Hirashin is that the persons chakra has to be in direct contact with the target they want to teleport.

If the clones have a seperate chakra network that would mean the ability would work with the clones in respect to the same rule.

So in any instance of Minato teleporting a clone that's not proof he can seperate a user from susanoo....That's grasping straws.

 

[The Necromancer]

1. Can a user be taken out of his susanoo? Yes, check.
2. Did Minato not create a clone based off his own chakra signature, and warp it without being teleported along with it? Yes, check.
3. Did Minato not teleport Sasuke outside his susanoo in the scan? Yes.

Yet here we are.

Clones are not connected directly to the user, otherwise Naruto's SM gathering clones would not need to be dispelled to gain the chakra, the Senjutsu chakra would travel immediately to both the original and every clone the original has made. But it doesn't.

Therefore, the rule does not apply. Therefore there is no instance of a 3rd party being teleported away from their own chakra. Therefore, you need a new argument.

 

[Remedy]

Ahh I see what I've failed to also explain to you regarding the shadow clone bit. the fine mechanics of Hirashin is that the persons chakra has to be in direct contact with the target they want to teleport.

Yes, that is common sense.

If the clones have a seperate chakra network that would mean the ability would work with the clones in respect to the same rule.

This would make sense if the clones were of an entirley different chakra make up, they're not. Same signature, seperate network. There is a reason why users can remember info and intel through clones once they poof.

So in any instance of Minato teleporting a clone that's not proof he can seperate a user from susanoo....That's grasping straws.

Its proof, you won't accept it.

 

[Remedy]

Clones are not connected directly to the user

Through chakra network? Of course not, through signature? Yes. Which is the whole point.

otherwise Naruto's SM gathering clones would not need to be dispelled to gain the chakra, the Senjutsu chakra would travel immediately to both the original and every clone the original has made. But it doesn't.

So does Minato teleport based off network or signature?

Therefore, the rule does not apply. Therefore there is no instance of a 3rd party being teleported away from their own chakra. Therefore, you need a new argument.

Therefore there is an instance.