Top 10 AssPulls

[Master of Knowledge7]

Word lol...

 

[Bling Kai]

do you understand what a plot hole is?...that was not a ****ing plot hole...sage chakra heightens one's senses to epic degrees to the point where one can automatically dodge close combat attaks AT WILL...and combine that with madara's battle sense plus healing powers and what do you have?

Sage chakra cant do that. I kept up with the series till the end and was a die hard fan not once was that stated anywhere. I wouldn't forget something like that since the powers and action where the main thing I liked about the series in the first place. Your point is invalid. If I'm wrong show me some manga scans. I may have missed that. And even if it could that wouldn't make what happened plausible.

A elephant would crush your rib cage if it so much as stepped on it. The bijuu are obviously much much bigger and stronger. Madara was hit with the tails of all nine tailed beasts with all their might all at once and he only lost an arm. If he is a human he is ****ing dead period.


Now unless you are the type that belives whatever the writer shoves in his story and don't take into account its logic and plausibility this would obviously not make any sense.

Nothing that happened has any plausible explanation as how it could have happened in the first place.

I mean one man vs the whole entire army of 5 nations he hasn't faced any numbers like that before previously he lost to one ****ing man back in final valley.

We get it madara is strong but the shit he pulled in the war arc was just ****ing ridiculous.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Sage chakra cant do that. I kept up with the series till the end and was a die hard fan not once was that stated anywhere. I wouldn't forget something like that since the powers and action where the main thing I liked about the series in the first place. Your point is invalid. If I'm wrong show me some manga scans. I may have missed that. And even if it could that wouldn't make what happened plausible.

A elephant would crush your rib cage if it so much as stepped on it. The bijuu are obviously much much bigger and stronger. Madara was hit with the tails of all nine tailed beasts with all their might all at once and he only lost an arm. If he is a human he is ****ing dead period.


Now unless you are the type that belives whatever the writer shoves in his story and don't take into account its logic and plausibility this would obviously not make any sense.

Nothing that happened has any plausible explanation as how it could have happened in the first place.

I mean one man vs the whole entire army of 5 nations he hasn't faced any numbers like that before previously he lost to one ****ing man back in final valley.

We get it madara is strong but the shit he pulled in the war arc was just ****ing ridiculous.

are you aware that this is the same series in which a frog was able to lift gamabunta?...

still waiting on where any of this is a plot hole by the definition of the term...

by the way what the hell were you reading?...madara did not fight the entire army by himself...in fact he did not fight the fodder at all...he blitzed naruto and sai then outsmarted sasuke then blitzed the tailed beasts...

you type about logic (which is funny coming from a dragon ball fan) yet you fail to realise that having your ribs broken by pressure of an elephant does not equate to getting hit by the impact of the tail of a tailed beast...

naruto's body was able to survive a fall from a building-like rock onto spikes...understand?

sage powers do not do that?...lololololol senjutsu enhances your senses to the point where one can AUTOMATICALLY DODGE FATAL BLOWS:

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the combination of hashirama's senjutsu and madara's battle experience allowed to fight in such a state

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Kakashi and Obito are the most inconsistent characters that embody the retcons this series had.

Obito being Tobi was definitely the biggest retcon. Boulder should've crushed him but no apparently logic have been thrown out to the window just like Kakashi pulled a double MS with PS.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

How many times you are going to repeat the same thing? You have only yourself to blame if you are reading a spin off and expected no retcon. I don't see you complaining about the retcon with power of Bayakugan where it can now see more than chakra thanks to the Movie The Last. That you insist to be canon. But that has little to do with the original series.

I wasn't expecting a glaring plot hole like that. At least you finally concede it was an retcon. An asspull just to get another unnecessary Uchiha villain.

You seem to be under the false impression that I like The Last and implying that you have read all my posts.

That's a reference to actual folk lore. Konoha didn't teach children about jinchuriki back then and treated it as a banned topic remember? Adding different explanation for Gara's power and it being obvious from the start that Gara was no priest either nor was Shukaku; it was a throwback. Similar to how the name of Third's clan being Sarutobi (Doubly augmented by father's name Sasuke Sarutobi). A reference to Sasuke Sarutobi from works of Sampei Shirato whose work Kishi admired and has a big influence on the series Naruto.
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Gaara is not from the Konoha and him being a jinchuriki was not a banned topic in his village.

It's that movie The Last that pushed Naruto in top searches of retcons you know. That love story retcon was the biggest and most glaring retcon shoehorned in the canon because of fan demand- that actually affected even the characterization and their motivation.

Boy, you sure do dislike The Last. I remember Naruto being in the top searches before that.

I said it had glaring inconsistencies despite being a short manga and they were not taken care of at all. So you do remember that I wasn't comparing Naruto with comics only yet you pretended I didn't.

I said compare it to other long running manga. No wonder I forgot about you comparing Naruto to that.

Nah people who are most vocal on net aren't majority even remotely.

But it is a hint about what the general consensus is.

No Obito didn't think either. He was just remembering the feeling. It's just you forcing your idea because you are having problem accepting the glaring truth.

So you're saying the glaring truth is that Kakashi and Obito running in that gravity dimension was just a glaring plot hole? Because that is the only other explanation.

Kakashi and Obito are the most inconsistent characters that embody the retcons this series had.

Obito being Tobi was definitely the biggest retcon. Boulder should've crushed him but no apparently logic have been thrown out to the window just like Kakashi pulled a double MS with PS.

Nah. Tobi was always Obito. You never noticed the similarities in the names?

The retcon was him being the big bad. Why did he have that Tobi persona on when he first appeared in the time skip when only Zetsu was around? Zetsu, Nagato, Konan, and Itachi knew the Tobi persona was a fake. The whole "new member" facade was pointless.

The answer is that he obviously wasn't originally planned to be the leader of the Akatsuki. Kishi just asspulled a twist to try and make himself look clever.

Same with him wanting to be Hokage, being an orphan, and being lonely. None of this stuff was mentioned at all in Kakashi Gaiden. Kishi made those up on the spot to make him similar to Naruto and rehash talk-no-jutsu. I bet Obito was originally intended to just be an antagonist for Kakashi with little connection to Naruto.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

One of the biggest plot or azz pull was sasuke getting lee speed in one month that a Azz pull

 

[deadp00l]

I agree with some

but others not so much. For instance how can CM Senjutsu Susanoo even be an asspull if Sasuke controlled senjutsu in past. Orochimaru explains that for us. I didn't think Sage Tools, C0 Escape and Kisame switching were asspulls either.

Translation: I am butthurt that sasuke is being dragged in asspull debate therefore I am gonna pull some shit to defend him in a lame manner :Sparks:

 

[Avani]

I wasn't expecting a glaring plot hole like that. At least you finally concede it was an retcon. An asspull just to get another unnecessary Uchiha villain.

I was not discussing spin off to begin with. But if you must discuss it- it's called expansion and it was a good retcon. We knew Danzou had planted sharingans and added senju cells. Oro was one of the best with such experiments and he had worked with Danzou so it was hardly a surprise that he was the one to help Danzou with sharingans. A confirmation of this theory was good. It would be surprising if Oro hadn't done some sharingan experiment of his own if he got his hand on it. So Shin basically was the missing link and confirms that Oro had tried. It also filled out some blanks regarding Danzou's sharingan hand and what Oro had been doing between the time since leaving akatsuki and appearing in Chunin exams. Obviously he had lost Shin by that time.

You seem to be under the false impression that I like The Last and implying that you have read all my posts.

If I had read all your posts I wouldn't have had the false impression. So I don't know how part one of your sentence implies part two of it. Only half of it can be true.

Gaara is not from the Konoha and him being a jinchuriki was not a banned topic in his village.

Any info about Bijju and jinchuriki was a top secret in Konoha: the kid knew something about Naruto made their parents against him but they didn't know what--

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Boy, you sure do dislike The Last. I remember Naruto being in the top searches before that.

You are one of the reasons it's up there. I haven't watched other Naruto movies either. So like and dislike doesn't matter. But I read the spoiler threads since it was impossible to escape them-I would have preferred a love story from the end point onwards instead of shoehorning a whole child hood love drama retrospetively. Then I realized it's meant for teenage kids/fangirl romance of first love and made peace with it. Doesn't mean I personally have to put up with it.

I said compare it to other long running manga. No wonder I forgot about you comparing Naruto to that.

Dragon ball is not even dense enough, as a person Vegeta got more development than Goku and most of OP is an adventure story with very slow plot progression. H x H is long running but Togashi draws real slow. So it's never equal comparison. It's just about stories what one likes and what they didn't.

But it is a hint about what the general consensus is.

Nope. The ones who got their feelings hurt are the ones who make most noise. And most of the were theorists or pairing fans. Majority bunch simply came each week read the manga and went away.

So you're saying the glaring truth is that Kakashi and Obito running in that gravity dimension was just a glaring plot hole? Because that is the only other explanation.

You forget that Kaguya had to narrow down the field of gravity to Naruto and Sasuke. ( she was shown to do it twice - first she couldn't move herself too so she narrowed it down but still her aim was off so she readjusted the gravity again and focused on on Naruto and Sasuke alone to get a direct hit and this time both Obito and Kakashi jumped at the same time as they did in past when Rin dragged them together surprising themselves. Here Obito made another split second decision and used his Kamui to save Kakashi too.

Nah. Tobi was always Obito. You never noticed the similarities in the names?

So you say that Kishi didn't know who Tobi was but you did? Hmm....

The retcon was him being the big bad. Why did he have that Tobi persona on when he first appeared in the time skip when only Zetsu was around? Zetsu, Nagato, Konan, and Itachi knew the Tobi persona was a fake. The whole "new member" facade was pointless.

Tobi wasn't fooling Itachi. He was avoiding rest of the Akatsuki other than three of them. Because he wasn't strong enough at the time, Nagato was and he didn't feel like taking unnecessary risk. Manipulating Nagato from behind the screen was easier.

He was there at the VoTE talking about how Naruto and Sasuke reminded him of the while sitting on top of one of the statues( hashi and madara one). He was going to be the big bad. The trope isn't even unique to Naruto.

The answer is that he obviously wasn't originally planned to be the leader of the Akatsuki. Kishi just asspulled a twist to try and make himself look clever.

He wasn't Akatsuki leader till Nagato died anyway. He had baited Nagato earlier and once Yahiko died he was able to manipulate him thus using akatsuki.

Same with him wanting to be Hokage, being an orphan, and being lonely. None of this stuff was mentioned at all in Kakashi Gaiden. Kishi made those up on the spot to make him similar to Naruto and rehash talk-no-jutsu. I bet Obito was originally intended to just be an antagonist for Kakashi with little connection to Naruto.

Nope. Again- Obito was right there on top of Hokage statue watching Naruto and Sasuke's fight and commented on it. And Zetsu was also lurking around. If he wasn't going to play any big role kakashi Gaiden might not have been written. Writers do not go out of their way to draw side stories unless they are going to introduce a character they will need later on.

WSJ specifically asked to him to come up with a story withing 2 months and he presented it to the to get accepted- that's a standard procedure usually. So he had the story- starting at point A, pointB, ... point end, introducing new twists to surprise and keep people interested slowly unfolding the plot etc. That's not a big deal. It's the filling of distance from one point to next and reaching the end that's a challenge and sometimes it becomes a tough task to fill in and I have seen writers losing interest and the plot completely way before Kishi did. If Kishi was that clueless he would have folded in long before.

 

[Bling Kai]

are you aware that this is the same series in which a frog was able to lift gamabunta?...

still waiting on where any of this is a plot hole by the definition of the term...

by the way what the hell were you reading?...madara did not fight the entire army by himself...in fact he did not fight the fodder at all...he blitzed naruto and sai then outsmarted sasuke then blitzed the tailed beasts...

you type about logic (which is funny coming from a dragon ball fan) yet you fail to realise that having your ribs broken by pressure of an elephant does not equate to getting hit by the impact of the tail of a tailed beast...

naruto's body was able to survive a fall from a building-like rock onto spikes...understand?

sage powers do not do that?...lololololol senjutsu enhances your senses to the point where one can AUTOMATICALLY DODGE FATAL BLOWS:

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the combination of hashirama's senjutsu and madara's battle experience allowed to fight in such a state

So tailed beats slaming someone into the ground with all thier tails is weaker than the force of an elephant stepping on you? Really? Tailed beast are like 9+ times the size of an elaphang. Are you saying all the tails beast hitting Maddy with their tails with the intent on killing him are weaker than a single elephant. Are you kidding me? They made a dent in the ground with there tails man come on.

Also as I said senjutsu chackra still doesn't make what happened plausible.

Sensing danger faster doesn't mean you can react fast enough to avoid it. Last time I checked madara didn't have super speed to make such a thing plausible. You think if I put a gun to Naruto head in sage mode he will be able to move fast enough to avoid the bullet. He'd have to move faster than the speed of sound.

Lets not even bring up dragon ball here though your implications are baseless you are the same person that argued your opinion that simplicity is bad in entertainment is fact. Dont even pretend like you are so logical.

I'm not a teacher look up plot holes detention then use your brain to do the rest. If you can't see that if something doesn't make logical sense in a story IS a pothole then that's too bad stop asking me to tell you what it means. Your not a child go figure it out yourself.

One final thing to prove my point. Supposing madara could do all that shit he did after being revived. You mean to tell me after absorbing the ten tails and getting a rinegan he couldn't take out two kids he destroyed in ****ing seconds before even though he is much much string er than he was when he beat them? Can't use the they had power ups excuse as their power ups didn't put them on par with maddy plus they didn't even understand said power ups they got immediately after receiving them it happened later.

There is no consistency in the power scaling one minute the guy is destroying everything and everyone in his path in seconds the next he is being owned by two kids that are weaker then him and that he owned with ease previously. We can't he just hold Sasuke in the air and stab him again? What's stopping him from kicking thier ass without even trying again? If anything he should be doing that easier now.

Im not gonna continue any further. You seem to be the type that believes what ever a writer throws in his story and doesn't consider its plausibility. No matter what I say you will keep replying with no you are wrong even though my point about madara getting owned by people much weaker than him proves how inconsistent and implausible the power scaling for his character was in the war arc. Which makes it a plot hole loom up the word then put two and two together I cant do it for you. If you don't get it then I cant do anything about that.

Just agree to disagree with me.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

One of the biggest plot or azz pull was sasuke getting lee speed in one month that a Azz pull

lol maybe not an asspull but it definitely was kind of like a 'really?' moment

 

[MAN OF SIN]

I was not discussing spin off to begin with. But if you must discuss it- it's called expansion and it was a good retcon. We knew Danzou had planted sharingans and added senju cells. Oro was one of the best with such experiments and he had worked with Danzou so it was hardly a surprise that he was the one to help Danzou with sharingans. A confirmation of this theory was good. It would be surprising if Oro hadn't done some sharingan experiment of his own if he got his hand on it. So Shin basically was the missing link and confirms that Oro had tried. It also filled out some blanks regarding Danzou's sharingan hand and what Oro had been doing between the time since leaving akatsuki and appearing in Chunin exams. Obviously he had lost Shin by that time.

The village had tons of Uchiha corpse left from the massacre. Everyone assumed he stole those eyes from those bodies like he did Shisui. So Kishi didn't need Shin to explain that.

If Shin left Orochimaru's side before the Chunin exams then his clones would be much older.

If I had read all your posts I wouldn't have had the false impression. So I don't know how part one of your sentence implies part two of it. Only half of it can be true.

Irrelevant.

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Yeah, but I was talking about Gaara and his village. Where it clearly wasn't a secret.

You are one of the reasons it's up there. I haven't watched other Naruto movies either. So like and dislike doesn't matter. But I read the spoiler threads since it was impossible to escape them-I would have preferred a love story from the end point onwards instead of shoehorning a whole child hood love drama retrospetively. Then I realized it's meant for teenage kids/fangirl romance of first love and made peace with it. Doesn't mean I personally have to put up with it.

That's because Kishi didn't want Naruto and Hinata dating under 18. Even though he was fine with characters under 18 getting killed and sexually assaulting other under 18 year olds(I'm talking about Karin).

Dragon ball is not even dense enough, as a person Vegeta got more development than Goku and most of OP is an adventure story with very slow plot progression. H x H is long running but Togashi draws real slow. So it's never equal comparison. It's just about stories what one likes and what they didn't.

But do those series have as many retcons as Naruto? That's the point.

Nope. The ones who got their feelings hurt are the ones who make most noise. And most of the were theorists or pairing fans. Majority bunch simply came each week read the manga and went away.

There are certain people call reviewers.

You forget that Kaguya had to narrow down the field of gravity to Naruto and Sasuke. ( she was shown to do it twice - first she couldn't move herself too so she narrowed it down but still her aim was off so she readjusted the gravity again and focused on on Naruto and Sasuke alone to get a direct hit and this time both Obito and Kakashi jumped at the same time as they did in past when Rin dragged them together surprising themselves. Here Obito made another split second decision and used his Kamui to save Kakashi too.

Except Naruto was able to move the very next chapter. While Kaguya is shown on her knees shaking the whole time and doing nothing. Implying she was still effected by it.

She said she "adjusted it" but it was so vague you could argue she meant how she fired the bones. If it was the gravity then it makes zero sense as there should be nothing stopping her from killing the two.

So you say that Kishi didn't know who Tobi was but you did? Hmm....

What the hell are you talking about? Where did I say this?

Tobi wasn't fooling Itachi. He was avoiding rest of the Akatsuki other than three of them. Because he wasn't strong enough at the time, Nagato was and he didn't feel like taking unnecessary risk. Manipulating Nagato from behind the screen was easier.

My point is there was no reason for zero reason for Obito to put on that facade in Zetsu's presence and there is zero reason for Zetsu to go with it. I'm referring to when they tried to get Sasori's ring.

He was there at the VoTE talking about how Naruto and Sasuke reminded him of the while sitting on top of one of the statues( hashi and madara one). He was going to be the big bad. The trope isn't even unique to Naruto.

Nope. Again- Obito was right there on top of Hokage statue watching Naruto and Sasuke's fight and commented on it. And Zetsu was also lurking around.

Excepted that never happened. Him sitting on the statute happened after the reveal. Obito didn't make a full appearance until Kakashi Gaiden.

He wasn't Akatsuki leader till Nagato died anyway. He had baited Nagato earlier and once Yahiko died he was able to manipulate him thus using akatsuki.

Nagato was taking orders from Obito. You mind as well call him the leader.

If he wasn't going to play any big role kakashi Gaiden might not have been written. Writers do not go out of their way to draw side stories unless they are going to introduce a character they will need later on.

Oh, I believe he was going to be an arch-enemy of Kakashi and that's pretty much it. Him pulling the strings and being extremely similar to Naruto obviously wasn't thought up until much later.

 

[Aznkidd]

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#10 - Gai surviving 8 Gates - He is dying if not for Naruto.

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Topping the list off, is the asspull we are all familiar with. The most famous one of all. It's been stating since part 1 that going to the 8th gate means absolute death. When this didnt happen, fans of the series were not happy. However, it is only number 10 because kishi did a great job of using Naruto's Yin/Yang abilities to counter the death.


#9 - Naruto Kyuubi Healing - read the manga again, it was stated right from the begining on multi occasion, stronger and stronger each time.

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at #9 we have one of the most anticipated fights in the manga. Naruto vs Sasuke pt.1. It easy to see how having the Kyuubi inside you gives you free range to pull assail after asspull. However, healing a large hole in your body is one i never expected. And its also one we've never seen again since.


#8 - Naruto Kyuubi Cloak stopping Orochimaru's Snake - 1 wipe from 1 tails make Sakura tremble in fear, or just 3 tails roar destroy a brigde.......... Or even 1 finger tsunade with very little chakra can split earth. This is nothin, not to mention the chakra from Kyubii is considered the strongest of all beast. Stop a low level snake is nothin, Naruto even clones himself to explode the other snake

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as cool as this was, its hardly plausible even for a kid possessing the demon fox spirit to stop a huge snake moving at that speed. Especially when the kid is only using the least powerful version of his cloak. I call asspull


#7 - Curse Mark Senjutsu Susanoo - just chakra infuse with chakra, nothin new at all. However im surprised that you shocked by this.

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don't you dare sit there and try to defend this sh!t. This was an asspull if I've ever seen one. The amount of connections and explanations they had to provide just to justify this asspull is direct evidence to that.


#6 - TenTen using Sage Tools to fodderize Kakuzu - So what, everyone can use sage tools, just more tax on her chakra than the brothers.

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I guess they needed to find a way to make her seem useful. As a self-acclaimed TenTen aficionado, i could've found literally a dozen different ways TenTen could be useful in any situation. (Watch the filler where Gai explains her potential to get an idea). But nope. they went the lazy route and had her found some OP tools to make quick work of an otherwise OP villain. Asspull.


#5 - Mei not using Corrosive Steam against Susanoo - imperfect susanoo is different than perfect susanoo, also one with umlimited chakra vs other with limited chakra

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Till this day, i still find myself getting upset everytime i watch this fight. Mei Terumi who had the perfect jutsu against Sasuke's Susanoo, all of a sudden forgets to use it against Madara. Her jutsu literally melts Susanoos. But no she rather spit water at them. This is more of reverse asspull where the character was nerfed to serve the plot.


#4 - Gaara Skin Shield - Nah the power of Gaara mom is hard to penetrate and lets not forget that he is also a Jinchuriki of Shukaku and that can be the reason for tanking in sand at high level

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no. way. in. hell. I don't care what anyone says, Gaara should be dead after what lee did to him. But no, he had an even extra layer of skin on top of his already layer shield on top of his ultimate defense. Yea, the guy who has sand that automatically defends him, has TWO extra layers of protection just in case. Bullsh!t.


#3 - Sasuke surviving C0 - He can see chakra, he actually can not survive it, he use manda to let it release back to it's own dimension. Read the manga better.

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Just no. This is Asspull 101.


#2 - Kisame Zetsu - Being Akatsuki for long time and took out Songoku is more than enough to know how good he is. Anyway his main mission was to get into their base.

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So let me get this straight... Kisame had the state of mind to know to switch with Zetsu at the moment where Bee appeared to be thoroughly incapacitated. Seems unlikely. But whatever Kishi, its your manga. and we love it


#1- Kamui Resurrection - Again and again, you need to invest your time in this manga before saying something like that. We have plenty of ghost transfer no jutsu already.....

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Are you really surprised? Obito literally broke the manga with his Kamui Resurrection. If this wasn't the ultimate sign that Kishi was tired of trying then i don't know what is. Never before has someone transcended death in such a perverse way. Nothing was alluded to, referenced, foreshadowed, hinted or even remotely explain by how Obito was able to come back to the living and possess Kakashi via 'Chakra Kamui' granting him a Dual Mangekyo Sharingan and subsequently granting him a Perfect Susanoo. Baffling doesn't begin to explain the reach on this one.




*Honorable Mentions:

Ashura and Indra Transmigrants

Black Zetsu killing Madara

Orochimaru continuous inability to die off


Hope you guys enjoyed and feel free to argue against or support any of the claims

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[Made in Heaven]

Virtually the entire plot is an asspull #facts

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Virtually the entire plot is an asspull #facts

That's why when you search "asspull" or "ass pull" all you see is Naruto images. Also...

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[SumnNarutoRelated]

That's why when you search "asspull" or "ass pull" all you see is Naruto images. Also...

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lol wow

now thats saying something

 

[Angelic.]

That darn kakashi always getting in the way, spelling his name with kunai

 

[Avani]

The village had tons of Uchiha corpse left from the massacre. Everyone assumed he stole those eyes from those bodies like he did Shisui. So Kishi didn't need Shin to explain that.

If Shin left Orochimaru's side before the Chunin exams then his clones would be much older.

Did they tell how old were the clones or how many? On top of it the clones had made their own clones and while shin was also shown using the others as organ donors killing previous ones. { that spin off is still a spin off not the original manga }

Irrelevant.

Not in the least. That contradiction in your claim and conclusion was another example of flaw in your logic..

Yeah, but I was talking about Gaara and his village. Where it clearly wasn't a secret.

Shikamaru wasn't a sand nin.

That's because Kishi didn't want Naruto and Hinata dating under 18. Even though he was fine with characters under 18 getting killed and sexually assaulting other under 18 year olds(I'm talking about Karin).

Not applicable for the manga at all. that was for movie makers who wanted their childhood love crap while Kishi himself hadn't rushed in for any relationship.

But do those series have as many retcons as Naruto? That's the point.

Nope. I would believe if I saw a really fair and real list of retcons and compare it with other series which was equally dense and fleshed out universe and long enough to judge it fairly. But I haven't. Instead if I compare the same amount of panels and story progression in two series then Naruto comes of more packed with deeper personality characterization in shorter period of time and shows more complex plot than most of them. I have said it before - most weekly mangas start tripping as they cross the 100 chapters. They become somewhat repetitive in one way or another and power levels too keep on increasing. And since other mangas are neither being scrutinized that badly nor are that popular on internet, obviously you will see more results for Naruto.

# Naruto is named because it was among the most popular ( and often the top most) series on several internet forums. It got highest scrutiny in last decade while people ignore problem in other mangas.

# The most important factor that augments such an idea are people who exaggerate everything and call even normal plot progression as retcon. One example is highlighted in your post itself and I will come to it. I will bold & star it like this "**" to mark it. .
Even in the cases when you guys are shown direct manga page of overshadowing you are back with the same claim next time around disregarding the correction of facts last time. For some strange reason many of this group believe there are some kind of rule book for plot progression and these rules must be followed to be called good writing. Anything that doesn't follow their idea of how the story should have progressed and any twist or turn that writer take is a sin in their eyes.


# Third factor- because the final story was revealed in several steps many people started making theories of how the character would end up, then it became a competition to win the internet by being correct. And then they turned in to angry hollows ranting all the time that's the twist is retcon and an asspull ( how dare this writer ignore their theory and not use the asspull they were going for)!! The ungrateful jerk thinks that just because being the one to create these characters and verse and work on it for 15+ years he can do anything and not give ME the personalize fanservice!!!!!! Kishi's atrocity to write his own story and his selfish desire to look out for his own interest in his life's work annoys them a lot.

# Fans of other series which were already ongoing saw increasing and consistent internet popularity of Naruto as an assault to their favourite manga and mangka like see this noise and fan it. Another category is who wanted to see something similar that they had read in another rmanga and started ranting that it wasn't like that other manga.( no jokes)


An example of false claim of retcon fro your post is following ( as promised above):

** Except Naruto was able to move the very next chapter. While Kaguya is shown on her knees shaking the whole time and doing nothing. Implying she was still effected by it.

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She had used too much chakra by this time not because gravity was affecting - she simply harnessed more from the tree/captive shinobies of course.

She said she "adjusted it" but it was so vague you could argue she meant how she fired the bones. If it was the gravity then it makes zero sense as there should be nothing stopping her from killing the two.

Vague? What did you think you were reading actual physics derivations? It meant to show Naruto and Sasuke were affected by it and unable to dodge the attack that's all to it.

What the hell are you talking about? Where did I say this?

Everyone knew Tobi was going to be important villain and had been making theories for years regarding his ID- they called him madara, so6p elder son of the sage...and here for some strange reason you thought he was Obito but you didn't consider him being the big bad. So even if you guessed the ID correctly, you made an incorrect assumption regarding it's role which contradicted how others were seeing him. In short you made up a theory of Kakashi facing Obito. Since that half of your prediction didn't come true you start bashing on it calling it retcon. Others who may or may not have guessed his ID still recognized that tobi was not some villain to be handled by supporting characters.


You once complained when I said you were trolling but then you repeatedly make statements that either represent the panel wrongly, or force an alternative interpretation instead of the obvious and simpler one then it becomes hard to not think if you are dragging on argument just for the sake of it or with alternative motives.

My point is there was no reason for zero reason for Obito to put on that facade in Zetsu's presence and there is zero reason for Zetsu to go with it. I'm referring to when they tried to get Sasori's ring.

BZ's reply was a hint but ambiguous and obviously to mislead people or to keep them guessing.

Excepted that never happened. Him sitting on the statute happened after the reveal. Obito didn't make a full appearance until Kakashi Gaiden.

Full appearance wasn't needed. Only person who made full appearance and commented at VoTE incident was Zetsu.

Nagato was taking orders from Obito. You mind as well call him the leader.

Might call=/= the established fact.

Oh, I believe he was going to be an arch-enemy of Kakashi and that's pretty much it. Him pulling the strings and being extremely similar to Naruto obviously wasn't thought up until much later.

That was your personal theory. People thought would be Madara or elder son and all kind of unknown but formidable opponents, not because all those people were idiots, but because he was showing all the signs of being more than what he looked and one of the big bad.

 

[Dibattista27]

It was saskue first susano not madras perfect susano

 

[Avani]

lol wow

now thats saying something

Obviously a manga that was among the most popular among teens ( with lots of time on their hand and posting on forums) and the most discussed work on internet would be shown in top results. That's just common sense. How many other manga managed to draw that many communities of this size so far? A couple of examples to elaborate my point:

OP is adventure manga that often uses gag elements to explain silly action sequence/plot progression- so when Frankie makes stairs without any support in empty air, no one questions the logic behind. Oda is asked where did Frankie get his tools from in that scene and he replied from his pants which was basically just a tiny underwear. Everyone laughs and they move on. That's a good thing but Oda is able to do that and get away with such illogical stunts because of the gag aspect.

The Near and Mellow combo in Death Note comes of forced and a lot of Kira's action are over the top only seem to added to milk the series a little longer but all in all the manga is too short so exactly how much you can discuss it? ( not a question). It's not like that finale is more believable that Kaguya arc. It's just that story was much shorter and simpler.

So bringing in google research in a serious debate and trying to support the claim on basis of how many people are discussing it instead of facts just shows they are running out of arguments.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

lol maybe not an asspull but it definitely was kind of like a 'really?' moment

Dude that a ass pull sasuke is a uchiha and they are not know for strong body but sasuke body grow in one month what it would take any other person year's