Top 10 AssPulls

[SatanicGod]

Yes we can. Because we have no reason to believe that Kushina was Omniscient being that knew everything. Not even Sage of the six path knew everything while he was alive( he overlooked BZ).

There is no such thing as an absolute rule- There are only general rules applicable to the majority. You can disagree of course but you cannot tell us not to tell you how we see the whole situation. That would be stupid.

Any writer can change the narrative and add extra facts - it's his right if wants to add additional stuff or take story in another direction. Kushina nor we were supposed to have figured out whole story and every fact yet. As Itachi said:

"Every human being relies on and is bounded by his knowledge and experience to live. This is what we call “reality”. However, knowledge and experience are ambiguous, thus reality can become illusion."

#You overlook the fact that only a handful of the jinchurikies were classed as a perfect jinchiriki
# most were at odd with the beast inside them. They used to face a constant battle for chakra and the tailed beasts didn't give it for free.
#Most people die instantly the moment bijju is taken out and you cannot put it in a dead body. On top of it,-
# -usually the people who pulled out a beast out of a jinchuriki did not do so with the intention of putting it back in the guy either.
# Those who care for the guy won't pull it out just for checking out and risk his death and
#the jinchuriiki will fight the rest and won't agree to such a suggestion that easily.
#the pool of suitable people to succeed as a jinchuriki has always been limited to begin with.
#Kushina was a strong jinchuriki not a perfect Jin and 9tailes was angry and trying to kill her- either she would have died along with him or he would taken her over in her weakened state. He wouldn't wait for her to recover and aid her so she was most likely done for.
#and most importantly Kurama was willing to cooperate and wanted to save his jinchuriki when he was put back - Naruto has earned that cooperation (I can remember only Killer B and the dead monk jin of Goku so far in perfect companionship but they do not meet the other conditions nor were tested) and survived long enough to let the plan be executed thanks to Gara, Sakura, Obito, Gai, Kurama half and what not.

#Thus Naruto is unique in more than one ways since he also had chakra willingly given by other beasts and was not really out of all the tailed beast chakra. None of the previous jinchuriki since the sage of the six path had had that. His uniqueness and success makes him the hero of the series and the legend he became.

So your definition of 'failure' has got it, up-side down. U_U

The monk was Shukaku's former jin

 

[SatanicGod]

Kishi actually admitted this too. He made up as he went.

I thought he only said that about Kakashi's copy ability explanation in the Land of Waves Arc

 

[MAN OF SIN]

I thought he only said that about Kakashi's copy ability explanation in the Land of Waves Arc

He said that he didn't know why Sasuke wanted to kill Itachi when it was first mentioned. He doesn't plan that far ahead.

 

[Avani]

Shin is in the same continuity as the manga and Gaiden was written by Kishi. So he should count.



Point out which ones. Because I would love to explain why they are asspulls.

Shin is a character in a spin off manga. We are discussing Naruto and that series is complete on it's own.

I am sure you would but- To put it bluntly I have seen enough of your arguments regarding " asspull", remember? And I find your reasoning itself to be shoehorned as in: " the process of using evidence or events to support a personal agenda/opinion, even if the data do not support the conclusion that's been drawn." The way many conspiracy theorists do taking the text out of context, cherry picking certain aspects while ignoring the rest and what not.

I'm not saying that retcons are inherently bad. Ones that are shoehorned into the story clearly are and Naruto has too many of those. The series was suppose to have a beginning, middle, and end so there shouldn't be that many retcons forced into the series.

Every story has a beginning a middle an end. I have read enough of them, serialized or otherwise to know how it goes. I have said this many times before but I will repeat for your benefit: Only way to avoid retcons is to create the whole story already, go back and edit the little bits here and there revise it and then only let it be published. There is no way around.

For a long manga ( 46 chapter an year for 15 years on an average) That's only possible if the publication is ready to wait that long and paying the writer anyway to sustain while he is working on the project for next 15 years... or that writer can afford to work that hard for that long for free and is ok if it doesn't get published/flops/cancelled...Not happening. Well not easily anyway unless they give a series a reboot.

Even the classical books like LoTR series have this problem when they have been written over a period.. Even though since it was a book they were able to make edited versions in next edition..

Even Dragon Ball didn't have that many retcons. Its all because Kishi made it up as the story went on and has even admitted so. He didn't even know why Sasuke wanted to kill Itachi when it was first mentioned in the series, which screams that he doesn't plan that far ahead.[/B]

That makes it incredible that it ran for 700 chapter/15 years and didn't have more retcons. See the mess they made with Star War series or how many retcons Marvel/DC bring when working as a team of several people. Most mangas start showing this symptoms by the time they reach 100 chapters and a fair number way before it.

She helped Kakashi and Obito run through the gravity dimension when Naruto and Sasuke where everyone else can barely move. And its later implied that the two didn't imagine her here when Rin stated that her and Obito's chakra can connect to the world.

You are mistaking Obito's memories and personal feelings as real happening. Rin doesn't make any contact to living world.

Although since the concept of Edo tensi was introduced in chunin exam itself - ghost/souls have been jumping dimensions in the series for long enough.

Hamura was obviously created for The Last, but him helping seal the ten tails was clearly Kishi's idea for another Naruto and Sasuke parallel. This was also the fifth parallel.

Yeah so little point in taking such addition to heart at this juncture.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Shin is a character in a spin off manga. We are discussing Naruto and that series is complete on it's own.

Did the OP even exclude canon spin-offs?

Can we at least agree that Shin is an asspull? If Orochimaru had an Uchiha clone before the story why didn't he take over his body? Why even go after Sasuke if he could make his own sharingans all this time?

I am sure you would but- To put it bluntly I have seen enough of your arguments regarding " asspull", remember?And I find your reasoning itself to be shoehorned as in: " the process of using evidence or events to support a personal agenda/opinion, even if the data do not support the conclusion that's been drawn." The way many conspiracy theorists do taking the text out of context, cherry picking certain aspects while ignoring the rest and what not.

I don't remember honestly, my dear arch-nemesis. And trust me, everything on that list is an asspull. Once I explain them all the more rational it will sound. Just like the Shin one.

Every story has a beginning a middle an end. I have read enough of them, serialized or otherwise to know how it goes. I have said this many times before but I will repeat for your benefit: Only way to avoid retcons is to create the whole story already, go back and edit the little bits here and there revise it and then only let it be published. There is no way around.

For a long manga ( 46 chapter an year for 15 years on an average) That's only possible if the publication is ready to wait that long and paying the writer anyway to sustain while he is working on the project for next 15 years... or that writer can afford to work that hard for that long for free and is ok if it doesn't get published/flops/cancelled...Not happening. well not easily anyway unless they give a series a reboot.

Even the classical books like LoTR series have this problem when they have been written over a period.. Even though since it was a book they were able to make edited versions in next edition..

There are stories that don't end such as the on-going series about popular superheroes like Spider-man. His story started in the 1960s and is still being told today. It has retcons all the time for better or for worse. Its understandable because its not suppose to end and has ran for decades.

My problem with Naruto isn't that it had a shit ton of retcons but rather it had a shit ton of poorly implicated retcons that leave very noticeable holes in the story. Such as Shin for example. Most of the rectons just existed to extend the series rather than an attempt at improving the story, such as Kaguya. I don't even think Kishi thinks the Kaguya arc was good. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

That makes it incredible that it ran for 700 chapter/15 years and didn't have more retcons. See the mess they made with Star War series or how many retcons Marvel/DC bring when working as a team of several people.

Nah...I think Naruto has way more retcons than the Star Wars films. Almost every major plot point in Part 2 was a retcon.

Marvel/DC has lasted way longer than Naruto. So I don't think that comparison is fair.

You are mistaking Obito's memories and personal feelings as real happening. Although since the concept of Edo tensi was introduced in chunin exam itself - ghost/souls have been jumping dimensions in the series for long enough.

I doubt I'm mistaken since Kakashi saw the same exact thing. How else could they have ran through that gravity dimension? Why did Rin state that her chakra can connect to the world of the living like Obito's? The latter seems like an answer to the former.

Yes, but spirits could never go back to the living world on their own.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

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Did the OP even exclude canon spin-offs?

Can we at least agree that Shin is an asspull? If Orochimaru had an Uchiha clone before the story why didn't he take over his body? Why even go after Sasuke if he could make his own sharingans all this time?




I don't remember honestly, my dear arch-nemesis. And trust me, everything on that list is an asspull. Once I explain them all the more rational it will sound. Just like the Shin one.



There are stories that don't end such as the on-going series about popular superheroes like Spider-man. His story started in the 1960s and is still being told today. It has retcons all the time for better or for worse. Its understandable because its not suppose to end and has ran for decades.

My problem with Naruto isn't that it had a shit ton of retcons but rather it had a shit ton of poorly implicated retcons that leave very noticeable holes in the story. Such as Shin for example. Most of the rectons just existed to extend the series rather than an attempt at improving the story, such as Kaguya. I don't even think Kishi thinks the Kaguya arc was good. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.



Nah...I think Naruto has way more retcons than the Star Wars films. Almost every major plot point in Part 2 was a retcon.

Marvel/DC has lasted way longer than Naruto. So I don't think that comparison is fair.



I doubt I'm mistaken since Kakashi saw the same exact thing. How else could they have ran through that gravity dimension? Why did Rin state that her chakra can connect to the world of the living like Obito's? The latter seems like an answer to the former.

Yes, but spirits could never go back to the living world on their own.

the problem with you nd why what you think doesn't matter is that you don't understand the definition of the term "retcon"

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Did the OP even exclude canon spin-offs?

Can we at least agree that Shin is an asspull? If Orochimaru had an Uchiha clone before the story why didn't he take over his body? Why even go after Sasuke if he could make his own sharingans all this time?



I don't remember honestly, my dear arch-nemesis. And trust me, everything on that list is an asspull. Once I explain them all the more rational it will sound. Just like the Shin one.



There are stories that don't end such as the on-going series about popular superheroes like Spider-man. His story started in the 1960s and is still being told today. It has retcons all the time for better or for worse. Its understandable because its not suppose to end and has ran for decades.

My problem with Naruto isn't that it had a shit ton of retcons but rather it had a shit ton of poorly implicated retcons that leave very noticeable holes in the story. Such as Shin for example. Most of the rectons just existed to extend the series rather than an attempt at improving the story, such as Kaguya. I don't even think Kishi thinks the Kaguya arc was good. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.



Nah...I think Naruto has way more retcons than the Star Wars films. Almost every major plot point in Part 2 was a retcon.

Marvel/DC has lasted way longer than Naruto. So I don't think that comparison is fair.



I doubt I'm mistaken since Kakashi saw the same exact thing. How else could they have ran through that gravity dimension? Why did Rin state that her chakra can connect to the world of the living like Obito's? The latter seems like an answer to the former.

Yes, but spirits could never go back to the living world on their own.

why would Boruto be a spin off?

 

[Avani]

Did the OP even exclude canon spin-offs?

Can we at least agree that Shin is an asspull? If Orochimaru had an Uchiha clone before the story why didn't he take over his body? Why even go after Sasuke if he could make his own sharingans all this time?

It's called a spin off for a reason. Nah if someone wants to it's not that difficult to make up something about Shin not being ready back then. They didn't try to detail when that experiment was created and how it had turned out. The experiment has failed as far as Oro was concerned as it escaped and what not..Point being it can be adjusted in many ways and there would be little to do. The Last was the biggest retcon and yet enough people enjoyed it. And it as retconned because creators knew they can make a story out of it.

I don't remember honestly, my dear arch-nemesis. And trust me, everything on that list is an asspull. Once I explain them all the more rational it will sound. Just like the Shin one.

Yeah I see the example above- that's why I said you shoehorn your theories of what is an asspull.

There are stories that don't end such as the on-going series about popular superheroes like Spider-man. His story started in the 1960s and is still being told today. It has retcons all the time for better or for worse. Its understandable because its not suppose to end and has ran for decades.

Yea again the same evasiveness and weak response.The fact that it doesn't end has little to do with so many rewriting and retcons that were needed to establish basic characters and back ground of many of these heroes. I didn't even name Spiderman. But the reboot these series get are second chances to initial stories. e.g. Deadpool got a complete rewrite of his back ground. They couldn't even make one around the initial concept. And it clearly affects the story of Wolverine too.

It's not like when Naruto started the writer knew it would be on for next 15 years. He was given two months times to write a series which would be 5 years long. And after that no breaks of months/years to work on the story. Here the writer is primarily an artist and actually drawing it himself at the same time as writing the story and kept doing so for next 15 years on publishing some 16 pages with multiple panels on weekly basis.

The term practically originated due to these comics. Sues/Stus and retcons are what makes most of these comics. And nope it's just you being extremely bigoted lending understanding to a writer only when it suits you.

Naruto didn't get a rewrite and tries to work within the boundaries of what it had established. He added more rules/fact that give extra twists but he doesn't contradict the original story. You cannot call every development a retcon just because you didn't like it in the end.

My problem with Naruto isn't that it had a shit ton of retcons but rather it had a shit ton of poorly implicated retcons that leave very noticeable holes in the story. Such as Shin for example. Most of the rectons just existed to extend the series rather than an attempt at improving the story, such as Kaguya. I don't even think Kishi thinks the Kaguya arc was good. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Do you want me to link first google searchs of bad retcons/inconsistencies from so many dear comic heroes and movie trilogies? Whether Kaguya arc was good enough or not is not the topic of discussion. I think probably everyone and their dog know that you didn't like it by this time and that it has left a bad taste in your mouth. But I am not sure if you realize how much you have over reacted to minor problems in this series when writers of series like Star wars ( many time more people brain storming over this ideas) or Xmen series do these things all the time. The TV series do it.

Hell even the movie Hobbit managed to create a new inconsistency regarding Legolas even though they had the original plot to help the out and already taking too many liberties changing entire characters and events with the original.

Nah...I think Naruto has way more retcons than the Star Wars films. Almost every major plot point in Part 2 was a retcon.

Yea right.

Marvel/DC has lasted way longer than Naruto. So I don't think that comparison is fair.

So has Pokemon.

I doubt I'm mistaken since Kakashi saw the same exact thing. How else could they have ran through that gravity dimension? Why did Rin state that her chakra can connect to the world of the living like Obito's? The latter seems like an answer to the former.

Where did Rin say that? Page?

Yes, but spirits could never go back to the living world on their own.

Indira, Asura, Sage of Sixth Path all are existing in similar ways. The beasts die and yet are able to manifest themselves back again after a while, Orochimaru kept taking rebirth when his body previous body died. Plus the concept of transmigration and chakra, 30+ planes of existence etc are part of the same philosophy to begin with.

Obito jumped in out of enough dimensions- it could be worse and Obito could say that he could do it since he had been one of the So6P for a while.

It takes time and a lot of work to establish the whole idea. The story of Naruto has a complex enough story and universe and usually quite dense since Kishi hardly ever drew unnecessary panels with nothing going on or idle chat for long. Expecting him to establish everything in the very beginning is unrealistic. Yeah some of the powers aren't explained in that much detail in last two years as in the beginning since the ending dates were decided. Kishimoto said that he didn't have enough time left to take story in next chapter if he couldn't fit everything in the part set for that week like he used to early on. So yeah it's rushed but the amount of hate you throw at it is over- reaction.

It's a weekly serialized manga- that means you will have to deal with retcons and take them in your stride instead of calling every bit of plot progression ( even well shadowed one ) as an asspull. There is no part 2 in manga but a continued story. The foundation for the time skip was laid before Naruto left Konoha. And the same strategy was used for the rest while building upon the initial layout.

 

[NarutoX28]

Another asspull is Byakugou Sakura having chakra even greater than a clone who possessed 50% of RSM Naruto's chakra.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

It's called a spin off for a reason. Nah if someone wants to it's not that difficult to make up something about Shin not being ready back then. They didn't try to detail when that experiment was created and how it had turned out. The experiment has failed as far as Oro was concerned as it escaped and what not..Point being it can be adjusted in many ways and there would be little to do.

Orochimaru gave Shin's arm to Danzo so it happened before the story and he had Shin from childhood to adulthood(that's many years). Orochimaru found his genetics to be so unique that he cloned him over and over(resulting in the kids) because he wanted more. He even had one of them left over in his lab.

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Judging from the clone in that tank appearing to be the same age as the kids and the fact that Shin now decided to strike suggest that he left Orochimaru's side rather recently.

So Orochimaru had the sharingan in his hands before the main story started to after it ended. Yet did nothing with it...

The Last was the biggest retcon and yet enough people enjoyed it. And it as retconned because creators knew they can make a story out of it.

I disagree with The Last being the biggest retcon. I believe that goes to the origin of chakra. Are you are referring to Naruto not understanding the concept of love in The Last? Despite Naruto being a SasuSaku shipper for late-part 1 to the end of the part 2 and Kushina telling him her love story. Yeah, that was ****ing stupid and insulted the viewer's intelligence.

Yeah I see the example above- that's why I said you shoehorn your theories of what is an asspull.

Already broke it down for you.

Yea again the same evasiveness and weak response.The fact that it doesn't end has little to do with so many rewriting and retcons that were needed to establish basic characters and back ground of many of these heroes. I didn't even name Spiderman. But the reboot these series get are second chances to initial stories. e.g. Deadpool got a complete rewrite of his back ground. They couldn't even make one around the initial concept. And it clearly affects the story of Wolverine too.

It's not like when Naruto started the writer knew it would be on for next 15 years. He was given two months times to write a series which would be 5 years long. And after that no breaks of months/years to work on the story. Here the writer is primarily an artist and actually drawing it himself at the same time as writing the story and kept doing so for next 15 years on publishing some 16 pages with multiple panels on weekly basis.

It's not like when Naruto started the writer knew it would be on for next 15 years. He was given two months times to write a series which would be 5 years long. And after that no breaks of months/years to work on the story. Here the writer is primarily an artist and actually drawing it himself at the same time as writing the story and kept doing so for next 15 years on publishing some 16 pages with multiple panels on weekly basis.

The term practically originated due to these comics. Sues/Stus and retcons are what makes most of these comics. And nope it's just you being extremely bigoted lending understanding to a writer only when it suits you.

Naruto didn't get a rewrite and tries to work within the boundaries of what it had established. He added more rules/fact that give extra twists but he doesn't contradict the original story. You cannot call every development a retcon just because you didn't like it in the end.

You mean like the origin of the one-tailed raccoon where he was the spirit of a priest? That's example of a rewrite right there. And was that writer the same guy who came up with his first origin? Comic series have many different writers unlike Naruto, so I don't see why that is a good comparison.

Basically what you are saying is: "Naruto's retcons are not as bad as these! Why don't you criticize them? " (which I have done on comicbook resources in regards to gay Iceman and such.)

Do you want me to link first google searchs of bad retcons/inconsistencies from so many dear comic heroes and movie trilogies?

Ironically if you type in "retcons" in the google search bar the very first suggestion is "retcons in naruto". lmao

You really should be comparing Naruto to other long running manga like Dragon Ball rather than comics and films. Which in comparison to Naruto Dragon Ball had far less of them and the changes weren't as big. As a matter of fact I can't think of another manga series that has as many shoehorned retcons and I'm sure you can't either since you are using american comics/films instead. And that's saying something since you read more manga than me.

Whether Kaguya arc was good enough or not is not the topic of discussion. I think probably everyone and their dog know that you didn't like it by this time and that it has left a bad taste in your mouth. But I am not sure if you realize how much you have over reacted to minor problems in this series when writers of series like Star wars ( many time more people brain storming over this ideas) or Xmen series do these things all the time. The TV series do it.

Hell even the movie Hobbit managed to create a new inconsistency regarding Legolas even though they had the original plot to help the out and already taking too many liberties changing entire characters and events with the original.

Missing the point. Which is that the sole purpose of the Kaguya arc(along with most other retcons) was to extend the series and nothing more. And Kishi didn't do it because he thought it was good for the story.

And the Kaguya arc was a minor problem? Everyone trashes that arc(even you did) and said it ruined the series. I've seen all of the X-men films and none of their inconsistencies were anywhere near as bad as that arc's. And people do complain about that aspect of the films quit often and film makers don't deny it.

Yea right.

Search "asspull" or even "ass pull" and see what images pop up. And Star Wars is far more popular than Naruto, so that says something. At the very least Naruto's retcons/asspulls are far more noticeable.

So has Pokemon.

Okay....?

Where did Rin say that? Page?

My mistake. It was Obito. Either way he says "our chakra", which is likely an explanation.

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Indira, Asura, Sage of Sixth Path all are existing in similar ways. The beasts die and yet are able to manifest themselves back again after a while, Orochimaru kept taking rebirth when his body previous body died. Plus the concept of transmigration and chakra, 30+ planes of existence etc are part of the same philosophy to begin with.

Obito jumped in out of enough dimensions- it could be worse and Obito could say that he could do it since he had been one of the So6P for a while.

It takes time and a lot of work to establish the whole idea. The story of Naruto has a complex enough story and universe and usually quite dense since Kishi hardly ever drew unnecessary panels with nothing going on or idle chat for long. Expecting him to establish everything in the very beginning is unrealistic. Yeah some of the powers aren't explained in that much detail in last two years as in the beginning since the ending dates were decided. Kishimoto said that he didn't have enough time left to take story in next chapter if he couldn't fit everything in the part set for that week like he used to early on. So yeah it's rushed but the amount of hate you throw at it is over- reaction.

It's a weekly serialized manga- that means you will have to deal with retcons and take them in your stride instead of calling every bit of plot progression ( even well shadowed one ) as an asspull. There is no part 2 in manga but a continued story. The foundation for the time skip was laid before Naruto left Konoha. And the same strategy was used for the rest while building upon the initial layout.

Kishi shouldn't have added it in their if he didn't have enough time. The game version completely got rid of it.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Black zetsu killing madara should be number 2 after kakashi got sharingan from a dead guy...

 

[synkross]

Obito isn't the Sage of Six Paths though.

Obito is better, he is the COOLEST GUY so deal with it.:sdo3:

 

[PureSkillz]

Wireless Susanoo
Izanagi
Izanagi after death
High-speed eye jackings (Madara)
Madara using kamui as a JJ when Obito couldn't

 

[Avani]

Orochimaru gave Shin's arm to Danzo so it happened before the story and he had Shin from childhood to adulthood(that's many years). Orochimaru found his genetics to be so unique that he cloned him over and over(resulting in the kids) because he wanted more. He even had one of them left over in his lab.

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Judging from the clone in that tank appearing to be the same age as the kids and the fact that Shin now decided to strike suggest that he left Orochimaru's side rather recently.

So Orochimaru had the sharingan in his hands before the main story started to after it ended. Yet did nothing with it...

Shin escaped. So Oro didn't get anything. And it's still a spin off you are quoting.

I disagree with The Last being the biggest retcon. I believe that goes to the origin of chakra. Are you are referring to Naruto not understanding the concept of love in The Last? Despite Naruto being a SasuSaku shipper for late-part 1 to the end of the part 2 and Kushina telling him her love story. Yeah, that was ****ing stupid and insulted the viewer's intelligence.

So you won't call a real undisputed retcon a retcon, but a simple plot progression is retcon if you don't like it...

The whole love story of the Last needs a good quality shoehorne to fit in.

Already broke it down for you.

And I did the same.

You mean like the origin of the one-tailed raccoon where he was the spirit of a priest? That's example of a rewrite right there. And was that writer the same guy who came up with his first origin? Comic series have many different writers unlike Naruto, so I don't see why that is a good comparison.

You are not making any sense here. Priest was his jinchuriki. First you claimed Rin's ghost was fighting along with Obito against Kaguya, now you are thinking one tail himself was a priest...smh

Yea different writers and teams for every small bit with a lot of times at hand and yet unable to come up with less retcons.

Basically what you are saying is: "Naruto's retcons are not as bad as these! Why don't you criticize them? " (which I have done on comicbook resources in regards to gay Iceman and such.)

I am saying you don't even know what a retcon as can be seen above. You call everything that didn't went the way you wanted a retcon.

Ironically if you type in "retcons" in the google search bar the very first suggestion is "retcons in naruto". lmao

Nope in fact the first page result named DC and SW.

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You really should be comparing Naruto to other long running manga like Dragon Ball rather than comics and films. Which in comparison to Naruto Dragon Ball had far less of them and the changes weren't as big. As a matter of fact I can't think of another manga series that has as many shoehorned retcons and I'm sure you can't either since you are using american comics/films instead. And that's saying something since you read more manga than me.

I did. I compared it with DB, OP, Cage of Eaden, in this thread itself. I don't know if I read more mangas than you or not but I certainly have spent less time on Naruto than you and understood it better.

Missing the point. Which is that the sole purpose of the Kaguya arc(along with most other retcons) was to extend the series and nothing more. And Kishi didn't do it because he thought it was good for the story.

And the Kaguya arc was a minor problem? Everyone trashes that arc(even you did) and said it ruined the series. I've seen all of the X-men films and none of their inconsistencies were anywhere near as bad as that arc's. And people do complain about that aspect of the films quit often and film makers don't deny it.

Who is this Everyone and why should I care about his opinion and ignore plenty of people who were ok with it or didn't mind whether they think it best arc of the manga or not. It's not like it's first manga with a little rushed ending.

Search "asspull" or even "ass pull" and see what images pop up. And Star Wars is far more popular than Naruto, so that says something. At the very least Naruto's retcons/asspulls are far more noticeable.

Lol. SW is more popular to you in america and makes money because it's a high tech movie released on global basis. Naruto is limited to manga readers. SW didn't make US cinema popular. Naruto attracted new people to manga culture.

My mistake. It was Obito. Either way he says "our chakra", which is likely an explanation.

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So that's one misunderstanding cleared for you. Good.

Kishi shouldn't have added it in their if he didn't have enough time. The game version completely got rid of it.

He did what he needed to do. It's his work that he spent more than 15 years. It gave him a chance to work on a movie later on and write another story. I won't grudge him for it.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Shin escaped. So Oro didn't get anything. And it's still a spin off you are quoting.

Yeah, he escaped like many years after the main story ended as I pointed out.

So you won't call a real undisputed retcon a retcon, but a simple plot progression is retcon if you don't like it...

The whole love story of the Last needs a good quality shoehorne to fit in.

Where did I say it wasn't a retcon? I don't think it was the biggest retcon.

You are not making any sense here. Priest was his jinchuriki. First you claimed Rin's ghost was fighting along with Obito against Kaguya, now you are thinking one tail himself was a priest...smh

Yea different writers and teams for every small bit with a lot of times at hand and yet unable to come up with less retcons.

I am saying you don't even know what a retcon as can be seen above. You call everything that didn't went the way you wanted a retcon.

You don't remember that being stated part 1?

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I did. I compared it with DB, OP, Cage of Eaden, in this thread itself. I don't know if I read more mangas than you or not but I certainly have spent less time on Naruto than you and understood it better.

I only remember you saying that Cage of Eaden had a lack of retcons.

Who is this Everyone and why should I care about his opinion and ignore plenty of people who were ok with it or didn't mind whether they think it best arc of the manga or not. It's not like it's first manga with a little rushed ending.

You and I both know that the vast majority of readers think its bad. There were a lot more problems to that arc than a rushed ending.

Lol. SW is more popular to you in america and makes money because it's a high tech movie released on global basis. Naruto is limited to manga readers. SW didn't make US cinema popular. Naruto attracted new people to manga culture.

World wide Star Wars is no doubt more well known than Naruto.

So that's one misunderstanding cleared for you. Good.

A very minor one as it doesn't really change my argument that much though. At the very least Obito thought what he saw was real.

He did what he needed to do. It's his work that he spent more than 15 years. It gave him a chance to work on a movie later on and write another story. I won't grudge him for it.

Cool don't grudge him. Doesn't mean I can't.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

i personally don't think this is an asspull. I used to, but its Itachi and he's known to always have an ace under his sleeve

No, its an asspull simple as that

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

No, its an asspull simple as that

not at all. Its natural for a forbidden jutsu like Izanagi to have a counter.

didnt itch say all jutsu have a weakness?

 

[Bling Kai]

that's not a plot hole...or did you miss madara absorbing hashirama's sage chakra before hand?

So a member of a clan that relies on their eyes for what i can plausibly say is about 95% or more of their overall strength and ability, can take put a whole ****ing army of elite ninja and nine fukcing bijuu that can literally crush in their ****ing hands easily all at once without those eyes makes complete sense?

Keep in mind none of his other senses where enhanced. That makes total sense not even slightly too hard to believe?


In writing terminology its called a pothole. The amount of suspension of disbelief that is required i to make sense is too high.


In situations where you write a character fighting blind its pretty much nesecary to make sure you don't go to far and make sure the audience doesn't have a hard time understanding how said blind fighter can do what he can

 

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So a member of a clan that relies on their eyes for what i can plausibly say is about 95% or more of their overall strength and ability, can take put a whole ****ing army of elite ninja and nine fukcing bijuu that can literally crush in their ****ing hands easily all at once without those eyes makes complete sense?

Keep in mind none of his other senses where enhanced. That makes total sense not even slightly too hard to believe?


In writing terminology its called a pothole. The amount of suspension of disbelief that is required i to make sense is too high.


In situations where you write a character fighting blind its pretty much nesecary to make sure you don't go to far and make sure the audience doesn't have a hard time understanding how said blind fighter can do what he can

do you understand what a plot hole is?...that was not a ****ing plot hole...sage chakra heightens one's senses to epic degrees to the point where one can automatically dodge close combat attaks AT WILL...and combine that with madara's battle sense plus healing powers and what do you have?

 

[Avani]

Yeah, he escaped like many years after the main story ended as I pointed out.



Where did I say it wasn't a retcon? I don't think it was the biggest retcon.

How many times you are going to repeat the same thing? You have only yourself to blame if you are reading a spin off and expected no retcon. I don't see you complaining about the retcon with power of Bayakugan where it can now see more than chakra thanks to the Movie The Last. That you insist to be canon. But that has little to do with the original series.

You don't remember that being stated part 1?

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That's a reference to actual folk lore. Konoha didn't teach children about jinchuriki back then and treated it as a banned topic remember? Adding different explanation for Gara's power and it being obvious from the start that Gara was no priest either nor was Shukaku; it was a throwback. Similar to how the name of Third's clan being Sarutobi (Doubly augmented by father's name Sasuke Sarutobi). A reference to Sasuke Sarutobi from works of Sampei Shirato whose work Kishi admired and has a big influence on the series Naruto.
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