Since there is 0 things indicating any chakra being absorbed during the point of impact, his argument is irrelevant. During the point of impact. That's the key word. Anything past that is completely irrelevant, so using subsequent panels to prove what preceded them is baseless. You should always go with the argument that requires the least amount of assumptions.
I think he convinced me though. Since V2 Bee had to penetrate Samehada and reach Kisame and then pull his fist out as he pushed Kisame back suggested to me that Samehada had time to absorb his chakra as Samehada managed to absorb the Hachibi's chakras within this period of time:
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So there certainly was enough time for Samehada to absorb a good portion of his chakra.
It was really that statement that Waltz made that convinced me.
I didn't link you a scan of Orochimaru when he was a Child so using Madara as a child as a counter example doesn't even correlate to the discussion nor does it help your argument in any way; this is the same Orochimaru that fought Tsunade and at this point there was nothing different about his durability unless you have actual proof that there was (There is none lel) other than that his durability was nothing spectacular. Jiraiya got hit by KN4 Naruto and Survived and your weak argument that "Orochimaru being hit through the forest" mean's he's very durable is nothing but exaggeration and baseless wanking because you couldn't even identify the entry area in the forest as there were no broken trees because
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with a huge dust cloud reaching nearly half the height of those trees except that Orochimaru got a claw strike to the face which only removed his skin. It was weak.
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on the other hand You've provided z.e.r.o. evidence that Kisame would tank Bee's lariat any differently. Saying something is as hard as a piece of rock or wood doesn't mean it's as hard as a piece of rock or wood but proving it's as durable as a piece of rock or wood with factual evidence and not "BS Talk" is what ensures it's as durable as proposed. If you don't have proof, I'll have to ask you to shut the fuck up. @ Bold: None of that refutes the fact that the momentum output of punching like that is far inferior to punching regularly. It's almost the same as when Naruto hit him with that claw strike but instead he was stationary and i'm pretty sure if he was in momentum that he would have been flung nearly the same distance so your point is irrelevant.
@ The bold: Fuck context. Incomparable doesn't mean infinite by definition. I wasn't insinuating anything, I simply said that Kisame never associated a quantity or multiplier to the superiority of the Chakra's power and strength but stated it to be incomparable to what he was sensing before, which he did state and again you made an assumption and you're still going on a meaningless rant about; and it's meaningless because just like your arguments so far your assumption was also wrong.
This is how I know your general intelligence level is garbage. I'll rephrase the very first thing I said in my very first post in this thread: Feats alone does not determine a match. When Ashura was featless and had zero significance everyone still knew that he would be stronger than the average Uchiha based on his origins and other factors: That is logical deduction. So don't tell me to strictly look at feats and portrayal because there have been characters in the Manga that when they had little to no feats and portrayal were still stronger than characters that had feats and portrayal. Your fanboy "Isnoworth18" said you weren't only comparing feats; I suggest you verbally address his inability to decipher your weak arguments.
That I know what I'm talking about and you don't.
That's my proof because that's the biggest Bijuu-Dama it's ever made especially comparing it with what it made with the Hachibi since they were making it as big as they could:
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Do you have proof or sufficient evidence of it making a bigger one? Oh yeah...you don't.
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When Naruto hit's 9 tail's in TBV2 he's accessing 100% of his Kyuubi's power because he'll transform into the full Kyuubi. If 9 Tail's is 100% of it's power then 4.5 tails would be 50% of it's power and 6 tail's would be 66% of it's power. There's no way 66% of the Kyuubi's power is going to be stronger than most of the Hachibi's when the Hachibi has enough power to create a Bijuu dama just as big as 100% of the Kyuubi.
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Plus the fact that it's all 8 tail's and the fact that Bee already used up his chakra means that it's most of the the Hachibi's Chakra. You underestimate Samehada's ability to absorb so I'll address it below.
You have no proof of the bold since we couldn't see his tail's after the impact and why would be change mid-pre impact when They're 8 tail's worth of chakra to be absorbed and Kisame already said Samehada couldn't absorb all of that Chakra in one go? When the TBV2 cloak was absorbed we saw 3 Tail's:
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And If you read the Manga correctly you'll realize the Samehadara was absorbing Chakra from top to bottom and not only where Bee's fist made impact So it means that as soon as Bee got close Samehada was already absorbing 6 V1 tail's worth of chakra every instant. Then he had to punch through Samehada, into Kisame, out of Kisame and out of Samehada and then after that it absorbed the remainder of the V2 Cloak.
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The whole thing you mentioned with Obito prior doesn't even relate because BSM Naruto's FRS is Naruto's Jutsu powered with Senjutsu Chakra and what you're saying now with Obito doesn't even refute the plausibility I gave since the heat and Energy of natural lightening can do the same damage of Sharp giant Kunai.
I didn't link you a scan of Orochimaru when he was a Child so using Madara as a child as a counter example doesn't even correlate to the discussion nor does it help your argument in any way; this is the same Orochimaru that fought Tsunade and at this point there was nothing different about his durability unless you have actual proof that there was (There is none lel) other than that his durability was nothing spectacular. Jiraiya got hit by KN4 Naruto and Survived and your weak argument that "Orochimaru being hit through the forest" mean's he's very durable is nothing but exaggeration and baseless wanking because you couldn't even identify the entry area in the forest as there were no broken trees because
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with a huge dust cloud reaching nearly half the height of those trees except that Orochimaru got a claw strike to the face which only removed his skin. It was weak.
You are mistaken. Kabuto was at the orphanage nearing the end of the 3rd war (17+ years ago). Kakashi is currently 31 and was 13-14 during the war, while Kabuto is 22-24 so he was ~5-7 years old. A 5 year skip takes place
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so he was 10-12. That's 10-12 years younger than he was in part 1. So it's ridiculous to assume someone who's constantly growing stronger from research and self-experimentation like Orochimaru is only as strong as he was 10-12 years ago.
-We don't know what exactly transpired with Jiraiya so using that is a weak argument.
-Your reading comprehension never seises to fail.
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. So Naruto hit him from the bridge into the forest and the distance he was sent is indicated by the top right panel. Fail attempt at denying Orochimaru's durability.
-Kabuto being sent back by a shockwave is relevant how again? It's not like a punch can send you back the same way KN1's did without the necessary immense force. A shockwave is completely irrelevant because the only damage Kabuto is taking is from landing. Naruto's hand hitting Oro with enough force to send him a 100 meters away+ is what's dealing the damage in that situation. Not. even. comparable. So only having his skin removed is ENTIRELY attributed to his durability. I expect you to concede on this now because it's getting ridiculous.
Zetsu being less durable than a human has nothing to do with Kisame's durability. I
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on the other hand You've provided z.e.r.o. evidence that Kisame would tank Bee's lariat any differently. Saying something is as hard as a piece of rock or wood doesn't mean it's as hard as a piece of rock or wood but proving it's as durable as a piece of rock or wood with factual evidence and not "BS Talk" is what ensures it's as durable as proposed. If you don't have proof, I'll have to ask you to shut the fuck up. @ Bold: None of that refutes the fact that the momentum output of punching like that is far inferior to punching regularly. It's almost the same as when Naruto hit him with that claw strike but instead he was stationary and i'm pretty sure if he was in momentum that he would have been flung nearly the same distance so your point is irrelevant. [/COLOR]
@underlined. LMFAOOOOOO. What. Your argument is: "Since Bee's lariat can chop off Zetsu's head, and Kisame got pierced by a kunai, a Lariat will have the same effect on Kisame that it did on Zetsu.". Fukin LOL. The burden of proof is on YOU to show me why Bee's lariat is strong enough to decapitate a person of human durability. You have proven it can decapitate someone of Zetsu durability which is entirely irrelevant. Comparing Zetsu to Kisame and telling me a kunai pierced him does not remove that burden of proof like you are fallaciously suggesting.
@bold, irrelevant because Tsunade's strength comes from CES and not the momentum her own fist generates. However, Orochimaru's momentum is against himself, meaning he's taking much more of Tsunade's CES power than he would had he been stand-still and flew back with the punch.
@red. what are you on about. His momentum is either the reason Naruto so easily bisected him or it's because his claws are that powerful.
@ The bold: Fuck context. Incomparable doesn't mean infinite by definition. I wasn't insinuating anything, I simply said that Kisame never associated a quantity or multiplier to the superiority of the Chakra's power and strength but stated it to be incomparable to what he was sensing before, which he did state and again you made an assumption and you're still going on a meaningless rant about; and it's meaningless because just like your arguments so far your assumption was also wrong.
Yes, by definition, it does not. By the context you put it in, it does. So my assumption was not wrong, your proposed argument was just fallacious. Yes, this is meaningless for the argument, I just didn't like the way you tried to put forward your argument.
This is how I know your general intelligence level is garbage. I'll rephrase the very first thing I said in my very first post in this thread: Feats alone does not determine a match. When Ashura was featless and had zero significance everyone still knew that he would be stronger than the average Uchiha based on his origins and other factors: That is logical deduction. So don't tell me to strictly look at feats and portrayal because there have been characters in the Manga that when they had little to no feats and portrayal were still stronger than characters that had feats and portrayal. Your fanboy "Isnoworth18" said you weren't only comparing feats; I suggest you verbally address his inability to decipher your weak arguments.
If you took into the account that I said portrayal you'd realise how retarded you are. Anyways, this is all irrelevant because feats and portrayal are the only things we have to go off of for this match. There's no common sense factor that would put Bee>KN4, while it's logical to say Asura>KCM Naruto.
That I know what I'm talking about and you don't.
So again, what are you trying to say with this argument.
That's my proof because that's the biggest Bijuu-Dama it's ever made especially comparing it with what it made with the Hachibi since they were making it as big as they could:
What horrendous logic you use. You cannot deduct the largest TBB Kurama has made from one that was larger to find Hachibi's TBB size. That makes no sense because you're ruling out the possibility of Kurama having made a bigger one in that very instance. Your argument would stand that the Kyuubi's largest TBB is the on used versus 5 Bijuu if this TBB did not occur. Baselessly saying that the TBB vs Bijuu was as large as he could make one and thus however much bigger the subsequent, larger TBB he and someone else formed is the size of the other's TBB is absolutely retarded and nothing but an assumption on your end. Moreover, how did you come to the conclusion this TBB is double the size of
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So 10 Kyuubi's fit inside that TBB, and 11 fit inside the individual TBB's of the Kyuubi. Clearly, that means that Kishi did a bad drawing in which his TBB was smaller than the other ones in proportion to the Bijuu. But to state that this TBB is somehow aided massively by Bee is completely baseless because as I am showing you, it seems practically the same as all other TBB's from Kyuubi. Is it possible that the Kyuubi being slightly closer made him only reach 10 instead of 11 or 12? Yes, it is. But if I were to use the Hachibi who's at the centre I'd still get 12 of him fitting inside it at most. So to say that the Hachibi is aiding tremendously is compleltely retarded because nothing in that scan shows the TBB being bigger than the the ones. You just aren't taking into account how large/zoomed the Kyuubi's body is in that panel versus how small the Bijuu are in the other one. But a little calculation of mine shows you that in proportion to the Bijuu, it's pretty much the same, meaning the Hachibi was technically not aiding much at all. No evidence needed babe, because your scan doesn't mean anything for your argument in the first place.
Do you have proof or sufficient evidence of it making a bigger one? Oh yeah...you don't.
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When Naruto hit's 9 tail's in TBV2 he's accessing 100% of his Kyuubi's power because he'll transform into the full Kyuubi. If 9 Tail's is 100% of it's power then 4.5 tails would be 50% of it's power and 6 tail's would be 66% of it's power. There's no way 66% of the Kyuubi's power is going to be stronger than most of the Hachibi's when the Hachibi has enough power to create a Bijuu dama just as big as 100% of the Kyuubi.
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Plus the fact that it's all 8 tail's and the fact that Bee already used up his chakra means that it's most of the the Hachibi's Chakra. You underestimate Samehada's ability to absorb so I'll address it below.
Bee cannot do any TBB comparable to the Kyuubi's as I already showed you. To claim that said TBB was double the size of the normal TBB's is absolutely laughable lmfao.
-That scan is absolutely stupid to use so stop using it. First tim Bee uses his 'Hachibi form as humanoid' it gets absorbed down to v1. Since you are saying it's all of Hachibi's chakra, it should be impossible to recreate that v2 form with so many tails given that form is the Hachibi's maximum chakra in a human form (according to you). Yet there he is using that same form again
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. Meaning it's not the entire amount of chakra that the Hachibi possesses, because if it was, he wouldn't be able to re-enter its highest state after having lost the necessary chakra for it. This shows that you're wrong, v2 is not the entirety of Hachibi's chakra in a humanoid form. Just a significant amount of it, around 80% I'd say.
You have no proof of the bold since we couldn't see his tail's after the impact and why would be change mid-pre impact when They're 8 tail's worth of chakra to be absorbed and Kisame already said Samehada couldn't absorb all of that Chakra in one go? When the TBV2 cloak was absorbed we saw 3 Tail's:
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And If you read the Manga correctly you'll realize the Samehadara was absorbing Chakra from top to bottom and not only where Bee's fist made impact So it means that as soon as Bee got close Samehada was already absorbing 6 V1 tail's worth of chakra every instant. Then he had to punch through Samehada, into Kisame, out of Kisame and out of Samehada and then after that it absorbed the remainder of the V2 Cloak.
as soon as Bee came close absorption was not happening at all. It only absorbs his cloak after it makes contact from what was shown. Furthermore, the tails reduce in number the moment the chakra is attached 'like glue' as you can see in the link I just gave you. Once they were attached to Sameada they had already disappeared from Bee's body. In the v2 situation
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, you can clearly see that NONE of Bee's tails are 'attached like glue' meaning Bee has all the cakra at that particular moment and is not weakened in the slightest bit. Only AFTER that did the v2 get pulled away from the glue like chakra stuck to it. Whatever amount of chakra that was (assuming it's chakra), it was nowhere near enough to affect the v2 shroud. And you still can't prove in any way that the impact was affected by absorption.
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The whole thing you mentioned with Obito prior doesn't even relate because BSM Naruto's FRS is Naruto's Jutsu powered with Senjutsu Chakra and what you're saying now with Obito doesn't even refute the plausibility I gave since the heat and Energy of natural lightening can do the same damage of Sharp giant Kunai.
I think he convinced me though. Since V2 Bee had to penetrate Samehada and reach Kisame and then pull his fist out as he pushed Kisame back suggested to me that Samehada had time to absorb his chakra as Samehada managed to absorb the Hachibi's chakras within this period of time:
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So there certainly was enough time for Samehada to absorb a good portion of his chakra.
It was really that statement that Waltz made that convinced me.
Read the last paragraph of my post if you want to. I feel like I made it pretty clear that any absorption of the v2 that could affect the impact only happened subsequently.
Read the last paragraph of my post if you want to. I feel like I made it pretty clear that any absorption of the v2 that could affect the impact only happened subsequently.
I did and I made it very clear that Samehada was able to absorb some of V2 Bee's Chakra before Bee transferred his momentum towards Kisame based on what the manga has already shown.
I did and I made it very clear that Samehada was able to absorb some of V2 Bee's Chakra before Bee transferred his momentum towards Kisame based on what the manga has already shown.
If it did, that amount was nowhere near enough to affect 1cm of his v2 shroud/tails meaning its relevance is negligible. Saying Bee can add the extra strength of a squirrel had the chakra not been absorbed doesn't mean anything for this debate.
You are mistaken. Kabuto was at the orphanage nearing the end of the 3rd war (17+ years ago). Kakashi is currently 31 and was 13-14 during the war, while Kabuto is 22-24 so he was ~5-7 years old. A 5 year skip takes place
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so he was 10-12. That's 10-12 years younger than he was in part 1. So it's ridiculous to assume someone who's constantly growing stronger from research and self-experimentation like Orochimaru is only as strong as he was 10-12 years ago.
-We don't know what exactly transpired with Jiraiya so using that is a weak argument.
-Your reading comprehension never seises to fail.
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Naruto is standing on the bridge
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. So Naruto hit him from the bridge into the forest and the distance he was sent is indicated by the top right panel. Fail attempt at denying Orochimaru's durability.
-Kabuto being sent back by a shockwave is relevant how again? It's not like a punch can send you back the same way KN1's did without the necessary immense force. A shockwave is completely irrelevant because the only damage Kabuto is taking is from landing. Naruto's hand hitting Oro with enough force to send him a 100 meters away+ is what's dealing the damage in that situation. Not. even. comparable. So only having his skin removed is ENTIRELY attributed to his durability. I expect you to concede on this now because it's getting ridiculous.
Your assumptions don't mean anything. The bold is all that matters and again where is the factual proof that he got stronger or more durable during that time period? Lel Kabuto sliced him at that point, Itachi removed his arm around the time he joined Akatsuki with a Kunai and he had the same durability against Naruto 10 years later. The only thing that's getting ridiculous is the fact that you don't realize you're wrong and your assumptions are not facts. What do you mean by we don't know what happened to Jiraiya? Is that the best excuse you've got?
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when Jiraiya already made it clear that Naruto attacked him in KN4 and created that wound which he survived yet Bee's Lariat at close range, outside of maximum momentum in V1 removed Sasuke's entire chest and throat and he would have died if it wasn't for Jugo. It's clear who's the stronger of the two.
-> It's relevant because that simple shockwave sent Kabuto flying several meters and the impact created a dust cloud half the size of the trees around him with very little physical damage and on the other hand the claw strike, which was actual physical contact sent Orochimaru flying through the forest creating larger dust clouds and he dealt no physical damage and my reading comprehension is just fine because again,
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indicating his physical body withstood the force of breaking through multiple trees because he was sent flying just as Kabuto was but at a farther distance with a greater force. I'm not saying Orochimaru has no durability, i'm saying that it's nothing spectacular and you're exaggerating on it.
@underlined. LMFAOOOOOO. What. Your argument is: "Since Bee's lariat can chop off Zetsu's head, and Kisame got pierced by a kunai, a Lariat will have the same effect on Kisame that it did on Zetsu.". Fukin LOL. The burden of proof is on YOU to show me why Bee's lariat is strong enough to decapitate a person of human durability. You have proven it can decapitate someone of Zetsu durability which is entirely irrelevant. Comparing Zetsu to Kisame and telling me a kunai pierced him does not remove that burden of proof like you are fallaciously suggesting.
@bold, irrelevant because Tsunade's strength comes from CES and not the momentum her own fist generates. However, Orochimaru's momentum is against himself, meaning he's taking much more of Tsunade's CES power than he would had he been stand-still and flew back with the punch.
@red. what are you on about. His momentum is either the reason Naruto so easily bisected him or it's because his claws are that powerful.
The burden of proof isn't on me because thus far you haven't referenced one Manga scan, Manga reference, Databook referrence, Manga suggestion that Kisame's durability is strong enough to withstand Bee's V2 Lariat. All you've done is argue that Zetsu's durability is less than a human. This is essentially your argument:
"Bee's Lariat went through Zetsu like butter. Zetsu has durability inferior to that of a regular human therefore Kisame wouldn't suffer the same fate against Bee's lariat"
Which is identical to this:
"A Bullet went through a curtain like butter. The fabric of a curtain has less durability than cardborad therefore a wooden door wouldn't suffer the same fate against a bullet"
Neither situation provides factual evidence that the wooden door or Kisame, respectively, has the durability necessary to suffer a different fate against opposing respective forces. Come on bruh. smh. However if you want more proof I'll give you more as there's alot to go around: 2 thrown Kunai made of metal had Kisame bleeding and Bee's blades made of metal had Sasuke bleeding yet Bee's V1 lariat removed Sasuke's chest and throat effortlessly and Bee's V2 is tremendously more powerful yet you're trying to say that he would tank it differently? Cool story brah. Show me Kisame's durability feats even being able to tank the V1 Lariat when just like Sasuke he was pierced and bled by metal blades.
Yes, by definition, it does not. By the context you put it in, it does. So my assumption was not wrong, your proposed argument was just fallacious. Yes, this is meaningless for the argument, I just didn't like the way you tried to put forward your argument.
Again I didn't put it into any context, you made a wrong assumption and to this point refuse to acknowledge that as a fact. Why shouldn't I ignore anything else you have to say regarding this?
If you took into the account that I said portrayal you'd realise how retarded you are. Anyways, this is all irrelevant because feats and portrayal are the only things we have to go off of for this match. There's no common sense factor that would put Bee>KN4, while it's logical to say Asura>KCM Naruto.
I already proved you wrong via feats, if you want me to prove you wrong via portrayal as well sure:
Jiraya vs TBV2 4T Naruto's attack: Survived.
Sasuke vs TBV1 8T Bee's attack: unquestionably Dead.
Even though 2 Kunai went through Kisame's skin and had him bleeding like the monthly.
You say that because:
Durability of Zetsu < Durability of Human being
And
Bee's V2 Lariat > Durability of Zetsu
Even though:
Bee's V1 Lariat effortlessly removed Sasuke's throat and Chest and Bee's swords had him bleeding
That:
Kisame's Durability can withstand or suffer a different fate against the V2 lariat despite it being phenomenally stronger than the V1 Lariat which is tremendously more damaging than a thrown Kunai.
I made a statement, you inquired where it was stated and I gave you the scan. Now you're asking what am I trying to say with that argument? Go re-read my first post to find out.
What horrendous logic you use. You cannot deduct the largest TBB Kurama has made from one that was larger to find Hachibi's TBB size. That makes no sense because you're ruling out the possibility of Kurama having made a bigger one in that very instance. Your argument would stand that the Kyuubi's largest TBB is the on used versus 5 Bijuu if this TBB did not occur. Baselessly saying that the TBB vs Bijuu was as large as he could make one and thus however much bigger the subsequent, larger TBB he and someone else formed is the size of the other's TBB is absolutely retarded and nothing but an assumption on your end. Moreover, how did you come to the conclusion this TBB is double the size of
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So 10 Kyuubi's fit inside that TBB, and 11 fit inside the individual TBB's of the Kyuubi. Clearly, that means that Kishi did a bad drawing in which his TBB was smaller than the other ones in proportion to the Bijuu. But to state that this TBB is somehow aided massively by Bee is completely baseless because as I am showing you, it seems practically the same as all other TBB's from Kyuubi. Is it possible that the Kyuubi being slightly closer made him only reach 10 instead of 11 or 12? Yes, it is. But if I were to use the Hachibi who's at the centre I'd still get 12 of him fitting inside it at most. So to say that the Hachibi is aiding tremendously is compleltely retarded because nothing in that scan shows the TBB being bigger than the the ones. You just aren't taking into account how large/zoomed the Kyuubi's body is in that panel versus how small the Bijuu are in the other one. But a little calculation of mine shows you that in proportion to the Bijuu, it's pretty much the same, meaning the Hachibi was technically not aiding much at all. No evidence needed babe, because your scan doesn't mean anything for your argument in the first place.
1) Kurama making a bigger one in that instant is a plausible assumption not a fact, what is fact is that the biggest Bijuu Dama it's created on it's own was the one used to counter balance the Bijuu's collective Bijuu Dama.
2) Even if we consider your plausible assumption that the Kyuubi could have created a larger Bijuu-Dama in that instant then it has to apply to the Hachibi as well and since
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then the fact that they were channeling as much power into the attack as possible then the Hachibi would have multiplied this explosive power to it's max extent so your attempts to down play the Hachibi fails from both angles especially when Bee told Naruto to make it as big as he could and Naruto's response was "We're ready to go" while ironically to your claims we see the Hachibi
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to the Bijuu Dama at that point.
3) Your Scans fail because in the first scan the white bubbles clearly indicate that the Bijuu Dama was still getting larger so the copy and pasted Kyuubi's weren't drawn across it's actual radius. Copy and pasting isn't helping your argument because we didn't see the apex of the Hachibi's + Kyuubi's Bijuu Dama compared to the Bijuu's themselves.
4) Why are you using a battle that took place in Naruto's mind as a reference to anything when Naruto himself was
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that couldn't be done IRL? If you read, you'd know that it was simply a battle to capture chakra and everything shown was a representation of that. So you also think the Hachibi can do
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? It's amusing when I see a troll pointing fingers. The Same Bijuu Dama you're referencing
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. However, I'll make a guess, your argument still stands right; because a real Bijuu Dama turns into rocks?
Bee cannot do any TBB comparable to the Kyuubi's as I already showed you. To claim that said TBB was double the size of the normal TBB's is absolutely laughable lmfao.
-That scan is absolutely stupid to use so stop using it. First tim Bee uses his 'Hachibi form as humanoid' it gets absorbed down to v1. Since you are saying it's all of Hachibi's chakra, it should be impossible to recreate that v2 form with so many tails given that form is the Hachibi's maximum chakra in a human form (according to you). Yet there he is using that same form again
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. Meaning it's not the entire amount of chakra that the Hachibi possesses, because if it was, he wouldn't be able to re-enter its highest state after having lost the necessary chakra for it. This shows that you're wrong, v2 is not the entirety of Hachibi's chakra in a humanoid form. Just a significant amount of it, around 80% I'd say.
@Bold: How can it be laughable when the moment the Hachibi's + Kyuubi's Bijuu Dama was shown to still be growing it was already bigger than the one the Kyuubi used against the Bijuu?
-> Except, if you read, I never said it was all of the Hachibi's Chakra, I said it was most.
as soon as Bee came close absorption was not happening at all. It only absorbs his cloak after it makes contact from what was shown. Furthermore, the tails reduce in number the moment the chakra is attached 'like glue' as you can see in the link I just gave you. Once they were attached to Sameada they had already disappeared from Bee's body. In the v2 situation
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, you can clearly see that NONE of Bee's tails are 'attached like glue' meaning Bee has all the cakra at that particular moment and is not weakened in the slightest bit. Only AFTER that did the v2 get pulled away from the glue like chakra stuck to it. Whatever amount of chakra that was (assuming it's chakra), it was nowhere near enough to affect the v2 shroud. And you still can't prove in any way that the impact was affected by absorption.
No you're wrong. We couldn't see nothing happening at the time because 1) V2 has no chakra shroud like V1 that we could see being absorbed and attached to Samehada but it was made 100% clear that Samehada was absorbing his chakra from the moment Bee Made contact with it and this is before removing the V2 cloak because we saw it already in the process of
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. Samehada left be with that Chakra already attached to it. You keep trying to ignore the fact that Samehada had a lot of time to absorb tremendous amounts of Bee's chakra when the Manga already made it vividly clear.
Yes but how is this relevant when Shurikens cleanly cut them (from Obito) lmfao. He survived TBB, so all this is stupid about penetrative vs blunt force.
Read the last paragraph of my post if you want to. I feel like I made it pretty clear that any absorption of the v2 that could affect the impact only happened subsequently.
I could make the contradicting argument that the original Naruto's face was just as "liquid like" when he was punched by Orochimaru to the point that there were droplets coming off his face and the fact that the third arm literally broke off the Original one. Could be due to the fact that the chakra is being stretched like a rubber band so it's easier to cut, could be due to Rikiri's density but I'm not really biting this liquid argument.
I could make the contradicting argument that the original Naruto's face was just as "liquid like" when he was punched by Orochimaru to the point that there were droplets coming off his face and the fact that the third arm literally broke off the Original one. Could be due to the fact that the chakra is being stretched like a rubber band so it's easier to cut, could be due to Rikiri's density but I'm not really biting this liquid argument.
Alright. Then as not to be biased; I'll sift for something composed on your proposal and as a contingency anything else to completely rid plausibility's altogether.
Alright. Then as not to be biased; I'll sift for something composed on your proposal and as a contingency anything else to completely rid plausibility's altogether.
