V2 killer bee vs kn4 naruto

[Waltz]

The reason Naruto kept undergoing physical transformation's as the number of tails increased was because he couldn't keep the Chakra under control as the Kyuubi was increasingly possessing his body physically and mentally. This is why he fights with very little rational as the states increase where as Bee does not suffer the said drawback and can remain collective and intelligent in battle. The moment Kirabi platforms TBV2 with the full 8 tail's essentially all of the Hachibi's power is condensed into human form because he can remain in that humanoid TBV2 state while controlling the massive chakra without transforming into the full Hachibi. When the Hachibi's chakra showcased itself Karin thought Chakra of that magnitude to be impossible; Kisame thought the power coming from it condensed in human form to be incomparably bigger and stronger to his prior state----'state' which already surpasses Naruto in KN3 by tremendous amounts. The Hachibi survived exposure to the

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+ the Juubi's incomplete one to the face [

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] and TBV2's Skin has more durability than the Hachibi itself. So it easily matches 6T Naruto defense wise and overpowers him power-wise for the simple fact that it's Bee's physical force (which already matches KN3 Naruto arguably + The Hachibi's full power) and the whole thing about 6T Naruto tanking Shinra tensei was simply because it anchored itself and physically withstood the force just as Bee did [

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]. Now I'll extrapolate on the Chakra capacity of both: People tend to thinnk the 50% Kyuubi's chakra is equated to what Naruto displayed in the war but most times undermining the fact that the off panel; Kurama sits in Naruto's stomach and gather's chakra [

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]. 6 Tail's Naruto's Chaka is only accessing a little more than half of what 50% Kurama has available as chakra while Bee's V2 is accessing all of the Hachibi's chakra. It concludes that Bee's V2 is physically stronger, has a larger Chakra capacity, is equally fast and more intelligent. ​

 

[~Ethereal~]

Cool.

 

[sixpaths15]

The reason Naruto kept undergoing physical transformation's as the number of tails increased was because he couldn't keep the Chakra under control as the Kyuubi was increasingly possessing his body physically and mentally. This is why he fights with very little rational as the states increase where as Bee does not suffer the said drawback and can remain collective and intelligent in battle. The moment Kirabi platforms TBV2 with the full 8 tail's essentially all of the Hachibi's power is condensed into human form because he can remain in that humanoid TBV2 state while controlling the massive chakra without transforming into the full Hachibi. When the Hachibi's chakra showcased itself Karin thought Chakra of that magnitude to be impossible; Kisame thought the power coming from it condensed in human form to be incomparably bigger and stronger to his prior state----'state' which already surpasses Naruto in KN3 by tremendous amounts. The Hachibi survived exposure to the

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+ the Juubi's incomplete one to the face [

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] and TBV2's Skin has more durability than the Hachibi itself. So it easily matches 6T Naruto defense wise and overpowers him power-wise for the simple fact that it's Bee's physical force (which already matches KN3 Naruto arguably + The Hachibi's full power) and the whole thing about 6T Naruto tanking Shinra tensei was simply because it anchored itself and physically withstood the force just as Bee did [

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]. Now I'll extrapolate on the Chakra capacity of both: People tend to thinnk the 50% Kyuubi's chakra is equated to what Naruto displayed in the war but most times undermining the fact that the off panel; Kurama sits in Naruto's stomach and gather's chakra [

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]. 6 Tail's Naruto's Chaka is only accessing roughly half of what 50% Kurama has available as chakra while Bee's V2 is accessing all of the Hachibi's chakra. It concludes that Bee's V2 is physically stronger, has a larger Chakra capacity, is equally fast and more intelligent. ​

i'm still not sure who is stronger between V2 bee and KN6 naruto. but ik he stomps kn4 naruto low diff.

 

[Waltz]

i'm still not sure who is stronger between V2 bee and KN6 naruto. but ik he stomps kn4 naruto low diff.

If Bee stomps almost 50% of the 9 available tail's low diff then it means that Bee doesn't even need 8 tails in V2 to beat KN4 Naruto and 66% of the tail's isn't jumping from that point to extremely high against Bee's TBV2 8T. ​

 

[Curse Mark]

If Bee stomps almost 50% of the 9 available tail's low diff then it means that Bee doesn't even need 8 tails in V2 to beat KN4 Naruto and 66% of the tail's isn't jumping from that point to extremely high against Bee's TBV2 8T. ​

Can I ask your opinion on something a little bit off topic but related to V2 jins?

 

[sixpaths15]

can someone please explain to me why V2 bee shitstomps kn4 naruto?

 

[Waltz]

Can I ask your opinion on something a little bit off topic but related to V2 jins?

Sure. What's your question? ​

 

[Apêx1]

- Meaning that Base Bee could arguably do the same amount of bodily damage with his lariat as KN3 Naruto could do with his claw strike.

- What durability feats? He was injured by some kunai [

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] you're surely not suggesting that he'd tank Bee's V2 lariat any differently.

- Right here:

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- Apex, it can't be infinitely stronger when Bee has finite chakra. Kisame simply meant that the difference between the two was incomparable, meaning that they couldn't be compared with one another not that Bee is onmipotent and has infinite chakra. Yes I do know what Orochimaru said that and Kisame's description of the Change in bee's chakra being incomparable to before is better than what Orochimaru said about KN4 Naruto's that it's a "Different sensation" because "Different" is a vague term. Bee's V2 has stronger, much more potent chakra and stronger physical force so its stronger than KN4 Naruto. ​

-Lmfao. Wat. Orochimaru's durability feats are not diminishing Naruto's destructive power. Not how it works buddy. Don't try this argument because it makes no sense.

-If you don't want to suggest Kisame is durable then that's fine by me. Makes it easier to prove Naruto>Bee. Zetsu has shit durability

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[

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]. Trying to compare this feat to what he does to humans is a joke. Then there's the fact that Oro can take a momentum enhanced Tsunade punch and barely take damage. So saying Oro would get shat on by Base Bee's strength is noob-like.

-Then stop trying to exaggerate the statement. You said 'not 3, 4 or 5x but incomparably'. If we took Kisame's statement literally like you're attemping to it means he's infinitely stronger regardless of Bee's limited chakra. You saying 'not 3, 4 or 5x' leads me to believe you were trying to put it forward as unquantifiable when it could just as much only be 1.1x stronger or 10x stronger, him not saying a number means nothing. VIZ;

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"Definitely lives up to being just one tail less than the 9 tails." roflmao i cri evrytim
@bold is absolutely baseless

The bold makes complete sense because all of TBV2 was the Hachibi's chakra since Bee ran low on chakra which Samehada absorbed and it was already noted that his TBV2 was the Hachibi's power in Human form. It's farfetched to believe the Chakra in KN6 naruto is equating with majority of the Hachibi's especially when it's the second most powerful Bijuu. I never said the Shinra Tensei Bee went up against is greater than a TBB.​

Uh what the hell are you on about dude. Kisame absorbed Bee's v1 on 3 occasionsl his entire v2 on one occasion and made Bee revert from v2 to v1 on one occasion. How exactly does that mean the v2 shroud is most of the Hachibi's chakra? More tails=more chakra. Not sure how this means his chakra is more powerful than KN4 let alone KN6. Kyuubi's chakra is far, far stronger than the Hachibi's so it easily makes up for any gap you're trying to fallaciously create. Bold is completely idiotic. It's not far-fetched because the difference between the Kyuubi and other Bijuu is not comparable to the difference between 2 tails and 3 tails. The Kyuubi is by far, stronger than any Bijuu. Matabi is not, by far, stronger than Shukaku. 8 tailed Kyuubi could break out of Nagato's Chibaku Tensei, BM Naruto is the physical equal of Sasuke's PS, Hachibi ties with Sandaime Raikage in a 1v1 while the Kyuubi can shit on both of them together. It's a joke to compare them when one merely obtains scuff marks from SM FRS and can withstand Juubi laser with his tail and the other is portrayed to get shit on 24/7. Then there's the fact v2 is not the majority of his chakra. Then there's also the Kyuubi having at least 5x the chakra of the Hachibi based on their TBB sizes. Hachibi could barely do anything versus the Yonbi while the Kyuubi shit on all 5 of the Bijuu simultaneously. While Naruto was counter-balancing 5 TBB's the Hachibi was busy praising the Kyuubi's incredible power [

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]. Pls don't give me this one tail less=Bee having more tails=stronger. It's apparent to any 8 year old that the Kyuubi's chakra quantity and potency is by far beyond that of the Hachibi's.

 

[isonworth18]

-Lmfao. Wat. Orochimaru's durability feats are not diminishing Naruto's destructive power. Not how it works buddy. Don't try this argument because it makes no sense.

-If you don't want to suggest Kisame is durable then that's fine by me. Makes it easier to prove Naruto>Bee. Zetsu has shit durability

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[

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]. Trying to compare this feat to what he does to humans is a joke. Then there's the fact that Oro can take a momentum enhanced Tsunade punch and barely take damage. So saying Oro would get shat on by Base Bee's strength is noob-like.

-Then stop trying to exaggerate the statement. You said 'not 3, 4 or 5x but incomparably'. If we took Kisame's statement literally like you're attemping to it means he's infinitely stronger regardless of Bee's limited chakra. You saying 'not 3, 4 or 5x' leads me to believe you were trying to put it forward as unquantifiable when it could just as much only be 1.1x stronger or 10x stronger, him not saying a number means nothing. VIZ;

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"Definitely lives up to being just one tail less than the 9 tails." roflmao i cri evrytim
@bold is absolutely baseless



Uh what the hell are you on about dude. Kisame absorbed Bee's v1 on 3 occasionsl his entire v2 on one occasion and made Bee revert from v2 to v1 on one occasion. How exactly does that mean the v2 shroud is most of the Hachibi's chakra? More tails=more chakra. Not sure how this means his chakra is more powerful than KN4 let alone KN6. Kyuubi's chakra is far, far stronger than the Hachibi's so it easily makes up for any gap you're trying to fallaciously create. Bold is completely idiotic. It's not far-fetched because the difference between the Kyuubi and other Bijuu is not comparable to the difference between 2 tails and 3 tails. The Kyuubi is by far, stronger than any Bijuu. Matabi is not, by far, stronger than Shukaku. 8 tailed Kyuubi could break out of Nagato's Chibaku Tensei, BM Naruto is the physical equal of Sasuke's PS, Hachibi ties with Sandaime Raikage in a 1v1 while the Kyuubi can shit on both of them together. It's a joke to compare them when one merely obtains scuff marks from SM FRS and can withstand Juubi laser with his tail and the other is portrayed to get shit on 24/7. Then there's the fact v2 is not the majority of his chakra. Then there's also the Kyuubi having at least 5x the chakra of the Hachibi based on their TBB sizes. Hachibi could barely do anything versus the Yonbi while the Kyuubi shit on all 5 of the Bijuu simultaneously. While Naruto was counter-balancing 5 TBB's the Hachibi was busy praising the Kyuubi's incredible power [

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]. Pls don't give me this one tail less=Bee having more tails=stronger. It's apparent to any 8 year old that the Kyuubi's chakra quantity and potency is by far beyond that of the Hachibi's.

lmao this guy is literally soloing this thread because hes not stupid like you gyuki defenders who only compare feats, he actually uses common sense and logic.

and what if the same way bee did lariat to sasuke 3 tailed v1 naruto did that, sasuke would be dead. if v2 4 tailed naruto would have hit kisame with the same amount momentum killer bee did. kisame would have been bisected and killed

 

[NarutoX28]

^ And you're forgetting the fact that the majority of its chakra and momentum was negated significantly due to Samehada's chakra absorption which lessened the impact of his Lariat. You're also forgetting that Lariat deals blunt damage whereas the majority of Kyuubi Naruto's strikes are designed to pierce its target.

 

[Apêx1]

Lel your point? Lifting and striking don't correlate, but I'll agree that she still had the benefits from her seal.

Tsunade being a natural 5 in strength means jack shit. I mean, Gai is a natural 5 in strength yet tanking his hit isn't anything special when we are discussing V2 B and KN4 and KN6. Either way, if all Tsunade can do is peel Orochimaru's face off with a direct hit to the face (when a full power hit from her, pre or post timeskip, would be dangerous to get hit by) then that makes her hit just as strong as KN1, who isn't even anywhere near as strong as V1 B let alone full power V2 B.

Unless you want to argue that too? :lol

Not sure what you're trying to argue here. Since you agree it was Tsunade w/ seal than my point of Orochimaru's durability being great stands. I'm still waiting on the durability feat of Kisame.

Lol what is this logic though.. Oro says one hit from Tsunade can kill Kabuto

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. Bee couldn't kill Sasuke would his Lariat, and sent Sasuke like 3 meters away when Naruto sent Orochimaru 100's [

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]. That's called Orochimaru's durability, it's not called "why Bee>Naruto." Stop acting like Orochimaru's durability is irrelevant and stop trying to use that appeal to ignorance as an argument to fabricate feats for Bee.

Unless it's power dropped by over a 20th of what it can already do I have no reason to dismiss this feat considering it's better than Orochimaru's feats, which are pretty much nonexistent and/or irrelevant. Samehada being able to block swords while Kisame can't only means that it is pound for pound more durable than Kisame. And they are around the same size. So do the math. :lol Then we have the fact that Samehada blocks Lariat but only gets a hole in it while Kisame has his chest blown out despite not being the one taking the direct hit. So it's pretty obvious which is more durable.

Kisame+Samehada>>Orochimaru in durability.
Plowing through a shield more durable than Kisame and by extension Orochimaru himself, leaving a hole in it and then blowing Kisame's chest out is a better feat than cutting Orochimaru in half.

LOL. I was expecting this. Determining how much it was weakened is impossible. Giving me some bullshit number doesn't mean anything here because he wasn't even knocked out unconscious from an attack that obliterates Legged v3 MADARA's Susano. Orochimaru's feats are much better since he survived KN1 and KN3 attacks and survived Tsunade's attacks, all with negligible damage. Bold is bullshit and you know it. Appealing to ignorance repetitively won't do anything for your argument. Hachibi gets his tails chopped off by Shurikens and his horns chopped by young Ay's chop yet can survive TBB without much damage to the tails at all. And anyways, regardless of its durability Kisame is taking a tremendous amount of the force just because it's in front of him. Only because a car crashed into me while I have a real durable Samehada on the point of contact doesn't mean I'm taking a negligible amount of the car's force. It's like billiard, the ball transfers its momentum to the next ball. It's not like Samehada's durability helps reduce momentum, only its weight can do that by resisting (indirectly) the force being exerted on it. Kisame's entire chest was not blown out from that mini-hole in Samehada, that would make no sense. Stop treating it like a "v2 Lariat force exertion - force required to put a hole in Samehada = the momentum required to blow his chest open." Either way, Kisame has no great durability feats.

@Bold, not true. I already showed you Naruto and Tsunade failing to hurt him. v2 Naruto can generate impacts tonnes of times greater with his 1 hand swipe without momentum. The underlined is just ridiculous.

The argument just started, it's way too early for this nonsense.

-Energy is applied to Samehada.
-Samehada absorbs what it can.
-The rest hits Kisame.

If B didn't apply enough energy then none would hit Kisame and it all would've been absorbed by the sword. Not even sure what the hell you are saying with anything in the last few sentences but either you are saying something that makes no sense or you are pretty much saying the same thing I'm saying. "lol the momentum waz transferred" isn't an explanation for why Kisame got hurt even though he had a shield on it. Him not having a broken bone is irrelevant since the damage B did to them collectively surpasses anything KN4 has ever done.

It transfers the momentum. Please stop this idiocy because it does not work like this. Refer to the billiard analogy I said previously in this post. By your logic, unless the ball's durability is overpowered nothing will reach the second ball. Yet both balls remain perfectly intact and transfer momentum. This is the same thing. It does not affect Kisame only after Samehada takes as much momentum as it can possibly take. The momentum is transferred long before that since it's not an immobile, unmovable entity. Momentum transfers through it just fine.

HAHAHAHA Tell me another joke pal. I think that this is probably the stupidest thing you've said this entire argument.

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KN4 has claws. That is a cutting attack. Cutting attacks cut. If it was blunt force Orochimaru would've been mangled and sent flying backwards. He wouldn't have been cleanly cut through like he was in the Manga. So no, nothing supports your point here. Cutting Orochimaru in half doesn't let him cut through Samehada and Kisame.

Stop getting carried away, you're starting to look stupid

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. The same claws which cleanly carved rock

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. So it's either 1. Orochimaru is far more durable than Kisame for having not had his face turned into minced meat, 2. He was bisected with a swipe and Naruto is way stronger than Bee. And lol, assuming it was the claw then his v2 claw can easily rip apart Samehada.

This is the only one I'll agree was a blunt force attack, but sadly it's irrelevant since taking off Orochimaru's arm doesn't make him stronger than someone who can hit Samehada, put a hole in it and still damage Kisame. Both of who are more durable than Orochimaru let alone together.

And his best feat with his shockwave is clearing 10,000 fodder snakes. Not sure how this means that KN4 even wins let alone shits like you are ridiculously claiming. :lol

Lol. Already addressed.

The standing swipe of a hand creating a shockwave so strong 10,000 snakes fly away while also reaching behind him and having a large impact shits on anything Bee's feats allow him to do. Taking into account Bee's feats, if he were to stand and swipe his hand and Kishi were to draw the shockwave, it would be nowhere near this level. ALL his strength feats come from using his speed for tremendous momentum, Naruto did this from stand-still. Bee just can't compare.

-No, he knew of it's existence. Not how tough it was.
-A tailless V1 shroud composed of BM Naruto and Kurama's chakra, matched to each person's signature, tanked all of that. Not sure why we are even mentioning this here when it's feats are far above the regular cloaks. Far far far above.
-So? It being more durable than B in KN6 form proves what exactly? :lol That B can't hurt him? Cause it doesn't. That he lasts longer? Because it doesn't.

Not sure if I should take the bold seriously. His chakra's corrosive property's best feat is burning Orochimaru's snakes. Call me when it can do the same to V2 B's cloak. Being corrosive means that it can break you down if strong enough, not that it automatically breaks you down no matter what. And even then those are just the chakra arms. Orochimaru hit KN4 in the face and nothing happened.

Lol what? You do know that quantity and potency go hand-in-hand, right? As Naruto gets more chakra from the Kyuubi, his chakra not only grows in quantity but in potency. That's a fact. When Naruto is KN0 his chakra is decently strong, when he's in BM his chakra is 1000 times stronger. That's because there's more chakra and therefor it becomes stronger. BM Naruto being the person to give out the chakra doesn't mean those tailless shrouds are comparable in chakra potency to his BM avatar. Just like Kin and Gin have 100% Kyuubi's chakra but their chakra potency isn't even comparable to Naruto's in v2. Naruto matching the chakra signature doesn't mean anything for your argument. There is not one single reason you can give me to suggest that Naruto's shroud is giving more power than his v1 shroud (it gives less since he's taild). Naruto can give out TONNES of these shrouds, further accentuating the fact that they have less chakra than his own tailed v1 shroud. @bold, how are its feats beyond v1 Naruto's absurdly insane feats. It's just proof that Naruto's shrouds are way beyond any other Jinchuriki's. Even when the Kyuubi gave Kakashi some chakra directly, and it didn't even take a physical manifestation because of how small it was, it was a 3x boost.

If his chakra is stronger=more durability=more power than Bee. Everything correlates to chakra power in this fight. I think you're right about the corrosive chakra though, I thought his main body had the corrosive property too.

^ And you're forgetting the fact that the majority of its chakra and momentum was negated significantly due to Samehada's chakra absorption which lessened the impact of his Lariat. You're also forgetting that Lariat deals blunt damage whereas the majority of Kyuubi Naruto's strikes are designed to pierce its target.

No. Chakra absorption happened after the impact. Meaning the momentum was already transferred to Samehada and Bee. Chakra was only absorbed AFTER that. Naruto's attacks demonstrate far more 'blunt force' so I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[NarutoX28]

No. Chakra absorption happened after the impact. Meaning the momentum was already transferred to Samehada and Bee.

Yeah, you're right.

 

[Curse Mark]

Sure. What's your question? ​

Was just wondering your whole opinion on the strength/durability of the jin chakra arms that kakashi cut with raikiri chain.

 

[Waltz]

-Lmfao. Wat. Orochimaru's durability feats are not diminishing Naruto's destructive power. Not how it works buddy. Don't try this argument because it makes no sense.

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-If you don't want to suggest Kisame is durable then that's fine by me. Makes it easier to prove Naruto>Bee. Zetsu has shit durability

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[

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]. Trying to compare this feat to what he does to humans is a joke. Then there's the fact that Oro can take a momentum enhanced Tsunade punch and barely take damage. So saying Oro would get shat on by Base Bee's strength is noob-like.

Zetsu's body is Mokuton, I showed you a link of Kisame being injured by Kunai. Showing me that Zetsu isn't durable doesn't prove that Kisame is durable or that he'd tank Bee's lariat any differently: It proves that Zetsu isn't very durable. What did you say it's called? A Momentum enhanced Tsunade Punch? How can it be momentum enhanced when she was unraveling herself and had to contort her upper body as close to 360 degrees as possible. Do you even know how much tension and stress that puts on your vertebra and upper torso? The momentum output of punching like that is far inferior to punching regularly. ​

-Then stop trying to exaggerate the statement. You said 'not 3, 4 or 5x but incomparably'. If we took Kisame's statement literally like you're attemping to it means he's infinitely stronger regardless of Bee's limited chakra. You saying 'not 3, 4 or 5x' leads me to believe you were trying to put it forward as unquantifiable when it could just as much only be 1.1x stronger or 10x stronger, him not saying a number means nothing. VIZ;

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How did I exaggerate it? I was simply saying that Kisame didn't associate a quantity to the superiority of the Chakra's power and strength but stated it to be incomparable, which he did state. The bold makes no sense because if I was to say that the size of a mountain is incomparably larger to the size of a mosquito, no one will ever think that it means that a mountain is infinitely larger than a mosquito because incomparable doesn't mean infinite; it means two thing's not being equal in quality or extent. @ Red: So you made an assumption and went on a meaningless rant about it? Ok. The Viz scan gives the very same interpretation and definition of

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so I'm not sure why you bothered to post it. ​

"Definitely lives up to being just one tail less than the 9 tails." roflmao i cri evrytim
@bold is absolutely baseless

You may 'cry' every-time in disbelief but you'll never win this: Factual Manga scan's Vs Apex's opinions. ​

Uh what the hell are you on about dude. Kisame absorbed Bee's v1 on 3 occasionsl his entire v2 on one occasion and made Bee revert from v2 to v1 on one occasion. How exactly does that mean the v2 shroud is most of the Hachibi's chakra? More tails=more chakra. Not sure how this means his chakra is more powerful than KN4 let alone KN6. Kyuubi's chakra is far, far stronger than the Hachibi's so it easily makes up for any gap you're trying to fallaciously create. Bold is completely idiotic. It's not far-fetched because the difference between the Kyuubi and other Bijuu is not comparable to the difference between 2 tails and 3 tails. The Kyuubi is by far, stronger than any Bijuu. Matabi is not, by far, stronger than Shukaku. 8 tailed Kyuubi could break out of Nagato's Chibaku Tensei, BM Naruto is the physical equal of Sasuke's PS, Hachibi ties with Sandaime Raikage in a 1v1 while the Kyuubi can shit on both of them together. It's a joke to compare them when one merely obtains scuff marks from SM FRS and can withstand Juubi laser with his tail and the other is portrayed to get shit on 24/7. Then there's the fact v2 is not the majority of his chakra. Then there's also the Kyuubi having at least 5x the chakra of the Hachibi based on their TBB sizes. Hachibi could barely do anything versus the Yonbi while the Kyuubi shit on all 5 of the Bijuu simultaneously. While Naruto was counter-balancing 5 TBB's the Hachibi was busy praising the Kyuubi's incredible power [

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]. Pls don't give me this one tail less=Bee having more tails=stronger. It's apparent to any 8 year old that the Kyuubi's chakra quantity and potency is by far beyond that of the Hachibi's.

It's was most of Bee's Chakra because prior to entering TBV2 Bee himself stated that Kisame had absorbed most of his Chakra and asked the Hachibi to man the supply.

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Yeah More tails = More chakra. I'll ignore most of your ramble and I'll tell you why It has stronger Chakra than KN4 and KN6. Naruto's Kyuubi counterbalanced

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, that's the biggest Bijuu-Dama it can create. Then along with the Hachibi it created

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which is atleast 180% the size of the Kyuubi's Max. So the Hachibi has enough chakra to Create a Bijuu-Dama about as large as Naruto's full Kyuubi's: KN4 and KN6 Naruto can't do this. Since the State and number of tail's determine how much access power the Jinchuriki possesses: KN4 Naruto has access to less 50% of this Kyuubi's power (4.5 tails) and KN6 Naruto only has access to 66% (6/9 tails) of Naruto's full Kyuubi's power where as Bee's TBV2 8T has access to all the Hachibi's power. Plus Bee is wayy stronger physically, more intelligent, equally as fast as KN6 Naruto so he'll win, no contest and when the KN8 Naruto broke out of Chibaku Tensei; Nagato was going to make it larger to contain it so what we saw over the Village wasn't the Max of Nagaot's Chibaku tensei plus the fact that he had already expended much of his Chakra destroying the village. ​

Yeah, you're right.

No he's wrong. Samehada started absorbing Bee's Chakra the Moment his fist made contact with it and then we have the whole process of his fist going through Samehada, Into Kisame, out of Kisame and out of Samehada. So besides some of the force being tanked, Bee was already being weakened by having his Chakra absorbed. You even see the Chakra being clung to it like glue from the top to the bottom of the sword before it removed the TBV2 Cloak.​

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Was just wondering your whole opinion on the strength/durability of the jin chakra arms that kakashi cut with raikiri chain.

Nothing serious. Sasuke's Chidori Katana did the same to the Hachibi's tail which is made of the same matter as it's face, yet it's face tanked exposure to the explosive force of it's own Bijuu-dama and the Juubi's incomplete one without having it's face completely burnt off. Perhaps when Rikiri and Chidori are that dense the heat and energy increases to level's near natural lightening. (This is actually a plausibility due to laziness; cause and effect - I'll get you something more solid when the effect has dismissed itself) ​

 

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No he's wrong. Samehada started absorbing Bee's Chakra the Moment his fist made contact with it and then we have the whole process of his fist going through Samehada, Into Kisame, out of Kisame and out of Samehada. So besides some of the force being tanked, Bee was already being weakened by having his Chakra absorbed. You even see the Chakra being clung to it like glue before it removed the TBV2 Cloak.

Okay, you convinced me unless Apex can refute it. :bdpf:

 

[Waltz]

lmao this guy is literally soloing this thread because hes not stupid like you gyuki defenders who only compare feats, he actually uses common sense and logic.

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[Apêx1]

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Terrible fail. Guess we should use child Madara's feats when he was skipping stones with child Hashirama for his current potential. Either way, Oro has bad cutting durability like 99% of NV, including Hachibi. Anyways, the KN1 feat that sent Oro 100 meters into the forest should make it vividly clear that Oro is super durable.

Zetsu's body is Mokuton, I showed you a link of Kisame being injured by Kunai. Showing me that Zetsu isn't durable doesn't prove that Kisame is durable or that he'd tank Bee's lariat any differently: It proves that Zetsu isn't very durable. What did you say it's called? A Momentum enhanced Tsunade Punch? How can it be momentum enhanced when she was unraveling herself and had to contort her upper body as close to 360 degrees as possible. Do you even know how much tension and stress that puts on your vertebra and upper torso? The momentum output of punching like that is far inferior to punching regularly. ​

Zetsu being less durable than a human means your entire argument is invalid. It's an easy-to-understand concept. Showing me how a plastic bag is fuked up by a knife doesn't mean a piece of rock or wood is taking the same beating. That's essentially what you're trying to do, showing me something weaker get messed up as proof that something more durable does. I was talking about Orochimaru. If you got punched in the face you reduce the damage your face takes by going with the force. When Tsunade punched Orochimaru his momentum didn't allow for such a thing, she had to overpower his own momentum before he'd start flying backwards. It's like a car hitting a stand-still car versus a moving car coming opposite to it. BIG difference (except Oro doesn't ave a car's momentum, but the rest stand.

How did I exaggerate it? I was simply saying that Kisame didn't associate a quantity to the superiority of the Chakra's power and strength but stated it to be incomparable, which he did state. The bold makes no sense because if I was to say that the size of a mountain is incomparably larger to the size of a mosquito, no one will ever think that it means that a mountain is infinitely larger than a mosquito because incomparable doesn't mean infinite; it means two thing's not being equal in quality or extent. @ Red: So you made an assumption and went on a meaningless rant about it? Ok. The Viz scan gives the very same interpretation and definition of

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so I'm not sure why you bothered to post it. ​

Incomporable doesn't mean infinite in a regular context. I said the way you put forward your argument was implying such, which it was. By explicitly stating Kisame 'not saying 2, 3 or 4x but incomparably' you are insinuating that Kisame not putting a number in front of Bee's power increase means it's not quantifiable ie infinite.

You may 'cry' every-time in disbelief but you'll never win this: Factual Manga scan's Vs Apex's opinions. ​

"Never win this" and that's exactly why everyone knows your a trash debater. You think about trying to 'out-skill' your opponent instead of trying to actually come to conclusion on who's stronger. Looking strictly at feats and portrayal it is abundantly clear that Naruto is superior.

It's was most of Bee's Chakra because prior to entering TBV2 Bee himself stated that Kisame had absorbed most of his Chakra and asked the Hachibi to man the supply.

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Fair enough. What does this mean for your argument?

Yeah More tails = More chakra. I'll ignore most of your ramble and I'll tell you why It has stronger Chakra than KN4 and KN6. Naruto's Kyuubi counterbalanced

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, that's the biggest Bijuu-Dama it can create. Then along with the Hachibi it created

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which is atleast 180% the size of the Kyuubi's Max. So the Hachibi has enough chakra to Create a Bijuu-Dama about as large as Naruto's full Kyuubi's: KN4 and KN6 Naruto can't do this. Since the State and number of tail's determine how much access power the Jinchuriki possesses: KN4 Naruto has access to less 50% of this Kyuubi's power (4.5 tails) and KN6 Naruto only has access to 66% (6/9 tails) of Naruto's full Kyuubi's power where as Bee's TBV2 8T has access to all the Hachibi's power. Plus Bee is wayy stronger physically, more intelligent, equally as fast as KN6 Naruto so he'll win, no contest and when the KN8 Naruto broke out of Chibaku Tensei; Nagato was going to make it larger to contain it so what we saw over the Village wasn't the Max of Nagaot's Chibaku tensei plus the fact that he had already expended much of his Chakra destroying the village.

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@bold, once you prove this you can prove your argument. Until then this is all the retarded speculation of a troll. He balanced their TBB on purpose. Meaning he can probably overpower it if he chooses to. @underlined, absolutely retarded because already told you the entire v2 cloak absorbed by Kisame means it cannot possibly have comparable amount of chakra to the entire Hachibi. Pls use logic, I know you can. So seems like all you can do is give bullshit fabrications.

No he's wrong. Samehada started absorbing Bee's Chakra the Moment his fist made contact with it and then we have the whole process of his fist going through Samehada, Into Kisame, out of Kisame and out of Samehada. So besides some of the force being tanked, Bee was already being weakened by having his Chakra absorbed. You even see the Chakra being clung to it like glue from the top to the bottom of the sword before it removed the TBV2 Cloak.​

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Nothing serious. Sasuke's Chidori Katana did the same to the Hachibi's tail which is made of the same matter as it's face, yet it's face tanked exposure to the explosive force of it's own Bijuu-dama and the Juubi's incomplete one without having it's face completely burnt off. Perhaps when Rikiri and Chidori are that dense the heat and energy increases to level's near natural lightening. (This is actually a plausibility due to laziness; cause and effect - I'll get you something more solid when the effect has dismissed itself) ​

All baseless because not even 1 tail is affected in this time. If you were right Bee's v2 would've changed mid or pre-impact, but it didn't

Yes but how is this relevant when Shurikens cleanly cut them (from Obito) lmfao. He survived TBB, so all this is stupid about penetrative vs blunt force.

 

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I think the chakra arms =/= the main body in durability.



OT: God damn Apex really fighting that good fight.

 

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Okay, you convinced me unless Apex can refute it. :bdpf:

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Since there is 0 things indicating any chakra being absorbed during the point of impact, his argument is irrelevant. During the point of impact. That's the key word. Anything past that is completely irrelevant, so using subsequent panels to prove what preceded them is baseless. You should always go with the argument that requires the least amount of assumptions.

 

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Terrible fail. Guess we should use child Madara's feats when he was skipping stones with child Hashirama for his current potential. Either way, Oro has bad cutting durability like 99% of NV, including Hachibi. Anyways, the KN1 feat that sent Oro 100 meters into the forest should make it vividly clear that Oro is super durable.

I didn't link you a scan of Orochimaru when he was a Child so using Madara as a child as a counter example doesn't even correlate to the discussion nor does it help your argument in any way; this is the same Orochimaru that fought Tsunade and at this point there was nothing different about his durability unless you have actual proof that there was (There is none lel) other than that his durability was nothing spectacular. Jiraiya got hit by KN4 Naruto and Survived and your weak argument that "Orochimaru being hit through the forest" mean's he's very durable is nothing but exaggeration and baseless wanking because you couldn't even identify the entry area in the forest as there were no broken trees because

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with a huge dust cloud reaching nearly half the height of those trees except that Orochimaru got a claw strike to the face which only removed his skin. It was weak. ​

Zetsu being less durable than a human means your entire argument is invalid. It's an easy-to-understand concept. Showing me how a plastic bag is fuked up by a knife doesn't mean a piece of rock or wood is taking the same beating. That's essentially what you're trying to do, showing me something weaker get messed up as proof that something more durable does. I was talking about Orochimaru. If you got punched in the face you reduce the damage your face takes by going with the force. When Tsunade punched Orochimaru his momentum didn't allow for such a thing, she had to overpower his own momentum before he'd start flying backwards. It's like a car hitting a stand-still car versus a moving car coming opposite to it. BIG difference (except Oro doesn't ave a car's momentum, but the rest stand.

Zetsu being less durable than a human has nothing to do with Kisame's durability. I

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on the other hand You've provided z.e.r.o. evidence that Kisame would tank Bee's lariat any differently. Saying something is as hard as a piece of rock or wood doesn't mean it's as hard as a piece of rock or wood but proving it's as durable as a piece of rock or wood with factual evidence and not "BS Talk" is what ensures it's as durable as proposed. If you don't have proof, I'll have to ask you to shut the fuck up. @ Bold: None of that refutes the fact that the momentum output of punching like that is far inferior to punching regularly. It's almost the same as when Naruto hit him with that claw strike but instead he was stationary and i'm pretty sure if he was in momentum that he would have been flung nearly the same distance so your point is irrelevant. ​

Incomporable doesn't mean infinite in a regular context. I said the way you put forward your argument was implying such, which it was. By explicitly stating Kisame 'not saying 2, 3 or 4x but incomparably' you are insinuating that Kisame not putting a number in front of Bee's power increase means it's not quantifiable ie infinite.

@ The bold: Fuck context. Incomparable doesn't mean infinite by definition. I wasn't insinuating anything, I simply said that Kisame never associated a quantity or multiplier to the superiority of the Chakra's power and strength but stated it to be incomparable to what he was sensing before, which he did state and again you made an assumption and you're still going on a meaningless rant about; and it's meaningless because just like your arguments so far your assumption was also wrong.​

"Never win this" and that's exactly why everyone knows your a trash debater. You think about trying to 'out-skill' your opponent instead of trying to actually come to conclusion on who's stronger. Looking strictly at feats and portrayal it is abundantly clear that Naruto is superior.

This is how I know your general intelligence level is garbage. I'll rephrase the very first thing I said in my very first post in this thread: Feats alone does not determine a match. When Ashura was featless and had zero significance everyone still knew that he would be stronger than the average Uchiha based on his origins and other factors: That is logical deduction. So don't tell me to strictly look at feats and portrayal because there have been characters in the Manga that when they had little to no feats and portrayal were still stronger than characters that had feats and portrayal. Your fanboy "Isnoworth18" said you weren't only comparing feats; I suggest you verbally address his inability to decipher your weak arguments.​

Fair enough. What does this mean for your argument?

That I know what I'm talking about and you don't. ​

@bold, once you prove this you can prove your argument. Until then this is all the retarded speculation of a troll. He balanced their TBB on purpose. Meaning he can probably overpower it if he chooses to. @underlined, absolutely retarded because already told you the entire v2 cloak absorbed by Kisame means it cannot possibly have comparable amount of chakra to the entire Hachibi. Pls use logic, I know you can. So seems like all you can do is give bullshit fabrications.

That's my proof because that's the biggest Bijuu-Dama it's ever made especially comparing it with what it made with the Hachibi since they were making it as big as they could:

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Do you have proof or sufficient evidence of it making a bigger one? Oh yeah...you don't.

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When Naruto hit's 9 tail's in TBV2 he's accessing 100% of his Kyuubi's power because he'll transform into the full Kyuubi. If 9 Tail's is 100% of it's power then 4.5 tails would be 50% of it's power and 6 tail's would be 66% of it's power. There's no way 66% of the Kyuubi's power is going to be stronger than most of the Hachibi's when the Hachibi has enough power to create a Bijuu dama just as big as 100% of the Kyuubi.

This:

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Plus the fact that it's all 8 tail's and the fact that Bee already used up his chakra means that it's most of the the Hachibi's Chakra. You underestimate Samehada's ability to absorb so I'll address it below.

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All baseless because not even 1 tail is affected in this time. If you were right Bee's v2 would've changed mid or pre-impact, but it didn't

Yes but how is this relevant when Shurikens cleanly cut them (from Obito) lmfao. He survived TBB, so all this is stupid about penetrative vs blunt force.

You have no proof of the bold since we couldn't see his tail's after the impact and why would be change mid-pre impact when They're 8 tail's worth of chakra to be absorbed and Kisame already said Samehada couldn't absorb all of that Chakra in one go? When the TBV2 cloak was absorbed we saw 3 Tail's:

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And If you read the Manga correctly you'll realize the Samehadara was absorbing Chakra from top to bottom and not only where Bee's fist made impact So it means that as soon as Bee got close Samehada was already absorbing 6 V1 tail's worth of chakra every instant. Then he had to punch through Samehada, into Kisame, out of Kisame and out of Samehada and then after that it absorbed the remainder of the V2 Cloak.

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The whole thing you mentioned with Obito prior doesn't even relate because BSM Naruto's FRS is Naruto's Jutsu powered with Senjutsu Chakra and what you're saying now with Obito doesn't even refute the plausibility I gave since the heat and Energy of natural lightening can do the same damage of Sharp giant Kunai. ​

I think the chakra arms =/= the main body in durability.

Based on what? ​