Terror attack in Ankara left 28 dead and 61 injured

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Basicly some ****wits from a punk ass 3-5 letter militant group is suicide blasting a car and kills/injures dozens of people in the heart of Turkey. And there is no clearity on which punk ass 3-5 letter group have actually done that. Regardless of which irredeemable shits have done it, this does not change the fact that the people of this country, 80 million people are getting drifted into unsafety more and more each day.

I hate the people who think they rule here, but what i hate most is the fact that there are the people who felt happy after this. Maybe this should make me trigger happy, no matter if you are a soldier, civilian, Turk, Kurd, Armenian, left-wing, right-wing; your death will bring happiness to someone for the simple aspect of who you are. And they say people are unhappy here.
 

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Yeah, Turkey involvement in Syria needs to move to protecting their country. They are the most vulnerable then the rest.
 

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Basicly some ****wits from a punk ass 3-5 letter militant group is suicide blasting a car and kills/injures dozens of people in the heart of Turkey. And there is no clearity on which punk ass 3-5 letter group have actually done that. Regardless of which irredeemable shits have done it, this does not change the fact that the people of this country, 80 million people are getting drifted into unsafety more and more each day.

I hate the people who think they rule here, but what i hate most is the fact that there are the people who felt happy after this. Maybe this should make me trigger happy, no matter if you are a soldier, civilian, Turk, Kurd, Armenian, left-wing, right-wing; your death will bring happiness to someone for the simple aspect of who you are. And they say people are unhappy here.

Erdogan is gonna blame the Kurds probably. I bet its isis, inside job to blame the Kurds or the Kurds themself. Lately there have been many military conflicts between Turks and Kurds I got a video of Turkish military killing fleeing Kurdish citizens.

Anyway this is what Turkey deserves for threating isis terrorists in hospitals, buying their oil and shelling the Syrian army/Kurdish fighters. Too bad 28 people had to die because of Erdogan
 

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Erdogan is gonna blame the Kurds probably. I bet its isis, inside job to blame the Kurds or the Kurds themself. Lately there have been many military conflicts between Turks and Kurds I got a video of Turkish military killing fleeing Kurdish citizens.

Anyway this is what Turkey deserves for threating isis terrorists in hospitals, buying their oil and shelling the Syrian army/Kurdish fighters. Too bad 28 people had to die because of Erdogan

What. A. ****ing. Dumbass
 

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Erdogan is gonna blame the Kurds probably. I bet its isis, inside job to blame the Kurds or the Kurds themself. Lately there have been many military conflicts between Turks and Kurds I got a video of Turkish military killing fleeing Kurdish citizens.

Anyway this is what Turkey deserves for threating isis terrorists in hospitals, buying their oil and shelling the Syrian army/Kurdish fighters. Too bad 28 people had to die because of Erdogan

Wtf...
I was there when it happened, even heard the explosion.
Really are you still there? Why are you here, did something happen?
 

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Wtf...

Really are you still there? Why are you here, did something happen?

Yep, I'm studying here right now, will be for about another 2 months. Though I didn't see anything really, just heard the explosion. On my way home, I did see plenty of people crying and a lot of officers. But that's about it.
 

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Yep, I'm studying here right now, will be for about another 2 months. Though I didn't see anything really, just heard the explosion. On my way home, I did see plenty of people crying and a lot of officers. But that's about it.

Do you have family with you, or are you alone? This country might be a tad chaotic after living in Canada.

Where are you studying Metu, Bilkent? You can VM/PM me hmu if you visit İstanbul (better than dull ass Ankara lol).
 

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Do you have family with you, or are you alone? This country might be a tad chaotic after living in Canada.

Where are you studying Metu, Bilkent? You can VM/PM me hmu if you visit İstanbul (better than dull ass Ankara lol).

Yeah, I'm studying with my cousin, but that's about it. And yeah, it really is chaotic compared to Canada, I'm actually dying to get back to Canada. And I'm studying in the kizilay area, hence how I heard the explosion. Doubt I'll be ever visiting Istanbul tbh, sinc all I want is to finish my business here and go back home, but hey, thanks for the offer.
 

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Incredibly sad, in my country, that is relatively near to yours, almost nobody spoke about it.
If you live in Ankara, who do you think has done this attack?
 

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RIP
But are these shit really going on in Turkey right now?

 

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The giant problem solving theorist of the 20th century, George Polya, said that in the craft of solving a problem, the first step - a most overlooked one indeed - is to understand it.

Polya's intuitive prescription has been vindicated by the 21st century. Alan Schoenfeld has spent many years researching the activity of problem solving, and he has found that by far one the most consistent behavioural differences between people who are very good at solving difficult problems and those who are not, is that the former spend a (relatively) very long period of time trying to understand their problems before venturing any attempts at solution.

Of what relevance is any of this to the thread?

If someone were to ask me to distil all that is wrong with much of global politics today I would reply that we have abandoned evidence and problem solving based approaches to that enterprise. We have replaced those things with abstractions like "the moral ground", "human rights", "pluralism" etc. And truly those things are paved with good intentions.

The ramifications, however, have been deadly, and often tragic.

Now I have made no secret of my generally unfavourable perspectives on Islam in this forum. But my opinions on that religion notwithstanding - my awareness of the need for the foregoing in policy has lead me to make some unexpected conclusions on the nature of 'Islamic terrorism.'

Like Ron Paul I have come to believe that Islamic terrorism is as much the product of the west - a consequence of our military interventionism - as it is the Islamic world, if not more.

To every action there is a reaction as it is said in physics - and the rule holds well in the behaviour of man too.

Islamic insurgency may have its ideological foundation in religion but its increasing escalation into the 21st century is without a doubt the result of the foreign policy of military interventionism and "democratic" nation building in that region of the world.

One of Dr Paul's favourite political analysts - the ex-CIA officer Michael Scheuer, has made his current life-work the warning about all of this - and I encourage interested readers to examine his writings (he has a blog-site named non-intervention) instead of taking my word for it.

Which finally brings us to Turkey's insurgency problem. Like the Islamic insurgency, perhaps insurgencies in general, this too, is quite inextricable from Turkey's internal and external interventionism - the one in regard to its Kurdish minority being now of historical length and the other in the Levant a recent one.

A supreme delusion of both the west and regional powers in the Middle East is that you can play the game of war half-heartedly, or as a side-player. The truth is war has been, is and likely will always be, that abyss that always stares back.

This is just what happened to Pakistan recently after its decades long dirty game in Afghanistan and with ethnic groups related to that country such as the Pathan people.

The Taliban, a Pathan insurgency aided from its very birth by the state of Pakistan, has now turned its guns on the exploitative hand that once fed it. The school shootings in Peshawar where militants shot dead children in a Pakistani army school is likely just the beginning of that tragedy unfolding before us.

Both the west and Turkey should take heed. We are also playing with fire that is bound to burn us sooner or later.

So what, if any, is the solution?

Another crucial thing that our "enlightened" era seems to have forgotten is that there are just two overarching principles in war. The first, and foremost, is not to fight the war. We should have never meddled in the Muslim world. Turkey should never have involved itself with the regional Sunni-Shia sectarian feuds.

The second is to fight to annihilate your enemy, completely. The second world war was won because the allies killed as many Germans, in their path slaughtering as many German civilians - women, elderly and children included - as it took to utterly destroy Nazi Germany beyond any hope of recovery.

That is the only way to win a war by fighting it. The path to victory in war always entails crossing the rivers of blood of the innocent.

And not a single war in our times has been or is being fought like that. Hence why no wars of our times is ever won. All of our insurgencies be they Islamic or Kurdish are as galvanized as ever, after decades of warfare.

Thus the west and Turkey are simply delusional if they think they can mess around with the life-determining affairs of other nations, that includes nations within nations like the Kurds no matter how much we wish otherwise, without having to fight wars with those nations, or at least deadly sub-groups within them. And without fighting to win those wars.

As usual, the good and common people of the world suffer the consequences of the games played by their political elites.

This is why I believe only those men and women who live in the frontlines of war with their family and children should ever have the right to start and maintain wars.

How much better it was back in the 'dark ages' when our political elites had to risk their and the lives of their families if they wanted to fight wars. But I ramble now.
 

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Yeah, I'm studying with my cousin, but that's about it. And yeah, it really is chaotic compared to Canada, I'm actually dying to get back to Canada. And I'm studying in the kizilay area, hence how I heard the explosion. Doubt I'll be ever visiting Istanbul tbh, sinc all I want is to finish my business here and go back home, but hey, thanks for the offer.

Being real; Ankara is probably one of the worst cities in Turkey. It has little to nothing to offer other than safety which is futile right now. It is the worst city i have ever been; everywhere else have something to offer regards to nature, history, sports etc. but Ankara just has politics and business. Why are you here for studying, i thought Canada has better stuff to offer.

It is really sad when people just want to get away from here ASAP, even people who live here. Several years ago both visitors and locals had much more positive views about country.
Incredibly sad, in my country, that is relatively near to yours, almost nobody spoke about it.
If you live in Ankara, who do you think has done this attack?

I do not live in Ankara.
Gov. says it is YPG (which is bs as YPG strives for public appeal) but it is either ISIS or PKK. This attack seems very mashed up, usually we can tell what type of group carried an attack based on targets/location (i can not believe we earned this ability) but this is a really odd case, esp. the type of attack is very very odd.
RIP
But are these shit really going on in Turkey right now?

Ughh i am not clicking liveleak.

The second one seems like outrageous, i do not take that party's claims very seriously as they exaggerate for their own agenda (like any other party tbh). But yes there are civilian losses and curfews halt people's lives a lot.

@Narushima i can not answer to all that but yeah, our gov. should lay off their fantasies of being a regional player. They are making the country a toy everybody hate with nothing to earn. Not to mention gross Islamo-fascism they are feeding. Few years before they came we were even fixing our relationship with an arch enemy country like Greece now i can not think of a land mass which can properly support these unreal politics (othe than Saudis).
 

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Being real; Ankara is probably one of the worst cities in Turkey. It has little to nothing to offer other than safety which is futile right now. It is the worst city i have ever been; everywhere else have something to offer regards to nature, history, sports etc. but Ankara just has politics and business. Why are you here for studying, i thought Canada has better stuff to offer.

It is really sad when people just want to get away from here ASAP, even people who live here. Several years ago both visitors and locals had much more positive views about country.
).

I didn't come here for sight seeing (don't even care for such things tbh), but I did come here because it'd take less years for me to finish my education than if I continued to study in Canada.

So I'm guessing you live in Turkey? Aside from these recent bombings, what's exactly wrong with this place?
 

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The second one seems like outrageous, i do not take that party's claims very seriously as they exaggerate for their own agenda (like any other party tbh). But yes there are civilian losses and curfews halt people's lives a lot.
Yeah, there are also videos explaining many as pkk propaganda. but I have also seen bunch of unarmed people shot at from APC.
I think your countries government is riding immunity it gets from being NATO and US ally. Any other should have got slammed with sanctions, international pressure or west trying to do what they intended to do in Syria.
 

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The giant problem solving theorist of the 20th century, George Polya, said that in the craft of solving a problem, the first step - a most overlooked one indeed - is to understand it.

Polya's intuitive prescription has been vindicated by the 21st century. Alan Schoenfeld has spent many years researching the activity of problem solving, and he has found that by far one the most consistent behavioural differences between people who are very good at solving difficult problems and those who are not, is that the former spend a (relatively) very long period of time trying to understand their problems before venturing any attempts at solution.

Of what relevance is any of this to the thread?

If someone were to ask me to distil all that is wrong with much of global politics today I would reply that we have abandoned evidence and problem solving based approaches to that enterprise. We have replaced those things with abstractions like "the moral ground", "human rights", "pluralism" etc. And truly those things are paved with good intentions.

The ramifications, however, have been deadly, and often tragic.

Now I have made no secret of my generally unfavourable perspectives on Islam in this forum. But my opinions on that religion notwithstanding - my awareness of the need for the foregoing in policy has lead me to make some unexpected conclusions on the nature of 'Islamic terrorism.'

Like Ron Paul I have come to believe that Islamic terrorism is as much the product of the west - a consequence of our military interventionism - as it is the Islamic world, if not more.

To every action there is a reaction as it is said in physics - and the rule holds well in the behaviour of man too.

Islamic insurgency may have its ideological foundation in religion but its increasing escalation into the 21st century is without a doubt the result of the foreign policy of military interventionism and "democratic" nation building in that region of the world.

One of Dr Paul's favourite political analysts - the ex-CIA officer Michael Scheuer, has made his current life-work the warning about all of this - and I encourage interested readers to examine his writings (he has a blog-site named non-intervention) instead of taking my word for it.

Which finally brings us to Turkey's insurgency problem. Like the Islamic insurgency, perhaps insurgencies in general, this too, is quite inextricable from Turkey's internal and external interventionism - the one in regard to its Kurdish minority being now of historical length and the other in the Levant a recent one.

A supreme delusion of both the west and regional powers in the Middle East is that you can play the game of war half-heartedly, or as a side-player. The truth is war has been, is and likely will always be, that abyss that always stares back.

This is just what happened to Pakistan recently after its decades long dirty game in Afghanistan and with ethnic groups related to that country such as the Pathan people.

The Taliban, a Pathan insurgency aided from its very birth by the state of Pakistan, has now turned its guns on the exploitative hand that once fed it. The school shootings in Peshawar where militants shot dead children in a Pakistani army school is likely just the beginning of that tragedy unfolding before us.

Both the west and Turkey should take heed. We are also playing with fire that is bound to burn us sooner or later.

So what, if any, is the solution?

Another crucial thing that our "enlightened" era seems to have forgotten is that there are just two overarching principles in war. The first, and foremost, is not to fight the war. We should have never meddled in the Muslim world. Turkey should never have involved itself with the regional Sunni-Shia sectarian feuds.

The second is to fight to annihilate your enemy, completely. The second world war was won because the allies killed as many Germans, in their path slaughtering as many German civilians - women, elderly and children included - as it took to utterly destroy Nazi Germany beyond any hope of recovery.

That is the only way to win a war by fighting it. The path to victory in war always entails crossing the rivers of blood of the innocent.

And not a single war in our times has been or is being fought like that. Hence why no wars of our times is ever won. All of our insurgencies be they Islamic or Kurdish are as galvanized as ever, after decades of warfare.

Thus the west and Turkey are simply delusional if they think they can mess around with the life-determining affairs of other nations, that includes nations within nations like the Kurds no matter how much we wish otherwise, without having to fight wars with those nations, or at least deadly sub-groups within them. And without fighting to win those wars.

As usual, the good and common people of the world suffer the consequences of the games played by their political elites.

This is why I believe only those men and women who live in the frontlines of war with their family and children should ever have the right to start and maintain wars.

How much better it was back in the 'dark ages' when our political elites had to risk their and the lives of their families if they wanted to fight wars. But I ramble now.

Perfectly said.
 

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@deadlift appearantly the attack have been done by "teyrêbazên azadiya kurdistan" aka TAK which means something like "Kurdistan freedom hawks". They seem like a mock up terrorist group in which they claim attacks made by bigger terrorist groups which can taint image of the latter. They said smthn like "we made our attack at the heart of fascist Turkish State". Smh even these lacklusters could do this at the capital of one of the strongest militaries, they are basicly a more vile PKK.

I didn't come here for sight seeing (don't even care for such things tbh), but I did come here because it'd take less years for me to finish my education than if I continued to study in Canada.

So I'm guessing you live in Turkey? Aside from these recent bombings, what's exactly wrong with this place?
Yes i live here.

Our history have never been so bright with several other nations (including nations inside this landmass like Kurds, Armenians), current government gets by its bs like corruption, privitization, violation of human rights by stroking nationalist Islamo Fascist feelings of half of this country, general ignorance and arrogance of people, racial/religious/gender/sexual orientation/social class based injustices, war breaking through right next to us and terror by several groups. Yep this is a short summary.
Yeah, there are also videos explaining many as pkk propaganda. but I have also seen bunch of unarmed people shot at from APC.
I think your countries government is riding immunity it gets from being NATO and US ally. Any other should have got slammed with sanctions, international pressure or west trying to do what they intended to do in Syria.

And the refugee resort. Government can really scare off western nations by threatening them with unleashing some of our over 2 million asylum seekers.
 
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