Let's be honest, Minato in KCM was undervalued by Kishi.

[Megatolium]

Minato at base was faster than Ay in Full Powered Raiton Mode. By reflexes obviously.

Naruto with KCM was able to outspeed Ay in that mode, eventually reaching his fathers level of speed and reflexes.

In that logic, shouldn't Minato's speed and reflexes at base be multiplied by the same scale as Naruto (Naruto at base is nowhere near as fast as Minato at base)

He should've been atleast fast enough to keep up with Juubi Obito. But strangely (yet awesome) enough Tobirama was able to have reflexes that possibly surpasses Juubi Obito (before he got sane).

Kishimoto could've atleast make Minato stronger. He was performing like he was in base form or something.

WHERE IS THE LOGIC!!!???:devil::devil:

 

[Dantee]

Ftg is what made them fast against Juubito. to be able to move around instantly in the battle field. I dont see how people think Tobirama reflexes were any faster than Minatos tbh. Tobirama only approached Juubito with ftg and always approached with a plan/distraction in place.

 

[Angelic.]

Minato is supposed to be a naruto wanker

 

[-immortal-]

How can minato be faster then a jubi jin?

 

[Megatolium]

Ftg is what made them fast against Juubito. to be able to move around instantly in the battle field. I dont see how people think Tobirama reflexes were any faster than Minatos tbh. Tobirama only approached Juubito with ftg and always approached with a plan/distraction in place.

You missed the part where he puts 3 explosive tags and a ftg on insane Jin Obito before he got "blitzed". That fcking fast.

 

[Dantee]

You missed the part where he puts 3 explosive tags and a ftg on insane Jin Obito before he got "blitzed". That fcking fast.

You mean before Obito got control over the Juubi? After that all I remember is Tobirama exploiting the ftg tag he had on OBito and moved carefully. I believed the previous Obito to be slower because the power was less controlled.

 

[Megatolium]

You mean before Obito got control over the Juubi? After that all I remember is Tobirama exploiting the ftg tag he had on OBito and moved carefully. I believed the previous Obito to be slower because the power was less controlled.

He was still the fastest at that time nonetheless.

 

[Insidious Smile]

Throughout the series Kishimoto stated through his characters that one needs a pair of mangekyou eyes in order to activate Susanoo, and yet Madara was able to activate susanoo without any eyes. *cough* *cough* Bull Sh*t! *cough* *cough*

Where's the logic? Kishimoto said F*CK logic.

 

[Megatolium]

Throughout the series Kishimoto stated through his characters that one needs a pair of mangekyou eyes in order to activate Susanoo, and yet Madara was able to activate susanoo without any eyes. *cough* *cough* Bull Sh*t! *cough* *cough*

Where's the logic? Kishimoto said F*CK logic.

Lmao couldn't agree more

 

[Dantee]

He was still the fastest at that time nonetheless.

That's true but hashi even managed to make a substitute clone but I wouldn't say his reflexes are above KCM Minato. I tend to go against Minato hype fans but portrayl did make him supposidly faster than Tobirama. Although if Tobirama and minato were to fight speed wouldn't be the issue.

 

[Ambivalence]

Lol at base Minato having better reflexes than V1/V2 Ay.

Anyway, Tobirama reacting to JJ Obito just means Tobirama is a more reflexive character than KCM Minato, and a lot more reflexive than base Minato. He's actually the most reflexive character in the manga, excluding all the Rikudou ones.

 

[sandman20]

Like Minato KCM was going to do any damage to Juubito by himself anyway, he was there for support and as support he saved the shinobi alliance for the 2nd time being in that mode so there's that I guess.

 

[Megatolium]

That's true but hashi even managed to make a substitute clone but I wouldn't say his reflexes are above KCM Minato. I tend to go against Minato hype fans but portrayl did make him supposidly faster than Tobirama. Although if Tobirama and minato were to fight speed wouldn't be the issue.

I kinda blame Kishi for the lack of feats, or the absence of explanation.

But in his logic, Minato in KCM should have definitely be faster in reflexes than Tobirama. Unless Kishimoto is trying to tell us Tobirama's reflexes is godlike.

 

[Megatolium]

Lol at base Minato having better reflexes than V1/V2 Ay.

Anyway, Tobirama reacting to JJ Obito just means Tobirama is a more reflexive character than KCM Minato, and a lot more reflexive than base Minato. He's actually the most reflexive character in the manga, excluding all the Rikudou ones.

Cee actually mentions that Ay in Full Powered Chakra Mode's reflexes are close to or on par with Minato's.

 

[Ambivalence]

Cee actually mentions that Ay in Full Powered Chakra Mode's reflexes are close to or on par with Minato's.

Nope, it's exactly the opposite.

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He says base Minato = base Ay, then says "but he's using Raiton to augment his reflexes", which means V2 Ay > V1 Ay > base Minato = base Ay.

 

[Megatolium]

Nope, it's exactly the opposite.

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He says base Minato = base Ay, then says "but he's using Raiton to augment his reflexes", which means V2 Ay > V1 Ay > base Minato = base Ay.

I think you misunderstood when he said augment. He's roughly saying he will use a Raiton version of Body Flicker to bypass Sharingan's sight. Which he did to avoid Amaterasu.

 

[Ambivalence]

I'm not misunderstanding anything, manga says "augments his reflexes", so that's what it means. You can dance around that fact all you want, but it won't change V2 Ay being >> base Minato in reflexes.

 

[Megatolium]

I'm not misunderstanding anything, manga says "augments his reflexes", so that's what it means. You can dance around that fact all you want, but it won't change V2 Ay being >> base Minato in reflexes.

But augments mean to to make greater. Databooks just say that Ay's Raiton Armor boosts his natural reflexes to new heights. Which according to Cee is on par with Minato's.

Here's an better and accurate translation:

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"...even praised to be as fast as the Yellow Flash". Combined with Cee's statement. Ay V2 = Minato in reflexes.

How else did Minato react to Ay's Full Power Raiton punch?

 

[Ambivalence]

But augments mean to to make greater. Databooks just say that Ay's Raiton Armor boosts his natural reflexes to new heights. Which according to Cee is on par with Minato's.

So you're basically agreeing with me? That, or you can't express what you mean correctly.

You just agreed RA boosts his reflexes. You just agreed Cee said base Ay's reflexes are on par with Minato's. Therefore RA Ay's reflexes > base Minato's. And yes, Cee was referring to base Ay, as I already explained in my previous post.

Here's an better and accurate translation:

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"...even praised to be as fast as the Yellow Flash". Combined with Cee's statement. Ay V2 = Minato in reflexes.

This says nothing about reflexes. :lol Cee's statement was for reflexes, the databook says "Godlike speed", referring to his movement speed. Also, that was V1 Ay in that scan. V2 Ay also has a superior Shunshin to Minato. All base Minato is physically faster than Ay in is striking speed (probably).

How else did Minato react to Ay's Full Power Raiton punch?

Not only did Ay not use his full speed, as he himself only decided to use it later, but Minato being able to flick a Kunai in the same time frame Ay crosses 10 meters isn't a feat that you should be using to prove his reflexes being better than RA Ay, mostly because that has nothing to do with comparing both character's reflexes. When Minato dodges that attack, while Ay fails to do so against that same attack, then you'd have a point.

Not that I need to continue this. Cee said base Ay = base Minato in reflexes. That obviously means V1/V2 Ay > Minato in that same category, as the manga said outright that it boosts his reflexes. I'm done here.

 

[KidGamer65]

Orrr the fans simply overrated him.