another example of liberal incompetence

[slimreaper]

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Really... only a liberal such as FDR would think that taking more money than people put in wouldn't fail.

the road to hell really is paved with good intentions

 

[Punk Hazard]

One of these words is "entitlement." To hear some politicians tell it, we are all entitled to all sorts of things, ranging from "affordable housing" to "a living wage."

I just wanna take a break from reading to point out how laughably stupid this is. "Can you believe people have the nerve to want the things that are needed to survive? How dare they make a distinction between things that are 'luxury' and things they will literally die without. Asinine!"

I'll continue reading but man this is a horrible start.

 

[slimreaper]

I just wanna take a break from reading to point out how laughably stupid this is. "Can you believe people have the nerve to want the things that are needed to survive? How dare they make a distinction between things that are 'luxury' and things they will literally die without. Asinine!"

I'll continue reading but man this is a horrible start.

no one is entitled to anything they don't earn. no matter how great it sounds

"But the reality is that the human race is not entitled to anything, not even the food we need to stay alive. If we don't produce food, we are just going to starve. If we don't build housing, then we are not going to have housing, "affordable" or otherwise.

Particular individuals or groups can be given many things, to which politicians say they are "entitled," only if other people are forced by the government to provide those things to people who don't need to lift a finger to earn them. All the fancy talk about "entitlement" means simply forcing some people to work to produce things for other people, who have no obligation to work."

 

[Punk Hazard]

no one is entitled to anything they don't earn. no matter how great it sounds

That's just like...your opinion man.

"But the reality is that the human race is not entitled to anything, not even the food we need to stay alive. If we don't produce food, we are just going to starve. If we don't build housing, then we are not going to have housing, "affordable" or otherwise.

This is a rule that human beings choose to follow not one we have to. Even if this was determined by nature, this is not how it HAS to be, this is what you've been conditioned to think. You've been conditioned to think that not having what you need to survive is your fault, rather than a select few people claiming control of what belongs to everyone and everything on the planet and then neglecting to give everyone enough to survive.

I don't care how good your conservative, antiquated economic idea sounds, lives are more important. When your "ideals" lead to widespread suffering and death, it's time for them to go. Plain and simple.

 

[Wparker6804]

Nothing is for free. Everything has a cost. You give someone something for free someone(s) else has done something(s) to provide it.

I don't listen to people--especially politicians--who promise things for free.

 

[Lightbringer]

I'm glad you found one example because I have hundreds for conservatives.

 

[slimreaper]

I'm glad you found one example because I have hundreds for conservatives.

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[Lightbringer]

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washingtonpost is establishment propaganda, so I don't know why you bother to source it?

 

[BlacLord™]

no one is entitled to anything they don't earn." no matter how great it sounds

"But the reality is that the human race is not entitled to anything, not even the food we need to stay alive. If we don't produce food, we are just going to starve. If we don't build housing, then we are not going to have housing, "affordable" or otherwise.

Particular individuals or groups can be given many things, to which politicians say they are "entitled," only if other people are forced by the government to provide those things to people who don't need to lift a finger to earn them. All the fancy talk about "entitlement" means simply forcing some people to work to produce things for other people, who have no obligation to work."

"no one is entitled to anything they don't earn."

Right... so if they start out life or end up in a position with no means of surviving, no home and no decent clothes, it's their fault they can't get the opportunity to earn? Because no employer is going to hire, or (even be able to hire) a homeless, scruffy/smelly, poor, hungry person with no bank account.

So then what? They die or barely survive the years because they didn't have the opportunities that you or I have, or any opportunities for that matter. It's not about being entitled, it's about being given a fair shot.

The human condition is a lot better when people co-operate, instead of focusing solely on themselves.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Yeah, and the road to heaven is paved with bad intentions. What a stupid saying.

 

[slimreaper]

washingtonpost is establishment propaganda, so I don't know why you bother to source it?

But everything you like isn't propaganda? typical liberal game. can't argue the point so you try to discredit the source.

"no one is entitled to anything they don't earn."

Right... so if they start out life or end up in a position with no means of surviving, no home and no decent clothes, it's their fault they can't get the opportunity to earn? Because no employer is going to hire, or (even be able to hire) a homeless, scruffy/smelly, poor, hungry person with no bank account.

So then what? They die or barely survive the years because they didn't have the opportunities that you or I have, or any opportunities for that matter. It's not about being entitled, it's about being given a fair shot.

The human condition is a lot better when people co-operate, instead of focusing solely on themselves.

[video=youtube;2GklCBvS-eI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GklCBvS-eI[/video]


^^this answers all of that. the woman makes the same arguments you're making now

 

[Mypower]

Seriously, enough with your ignorance it's pitiful.

 

[Lightbringer]

[video=youtube;2GklCBvS-eI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GklCBvS-eI[/video]

Ok and I can post videos of people rebuking his argument? What's your point? That you enjoy people failing and that you think you're above helping others.

If you don't like entitlement, then go to Africa and survive on your own merits instead of feeding off tax-payers money.

 

[slimreaper]

Seriously, enough with your ignorance it's pitiful.

yet you provide no meaningful insight of your own. how odd.

Ok I can post videos of people rebuking his argument? What's your point? That you enjoy people failing and that you think you're above helping others.

If you don't like entitlement, then go to Africa and survive on your own merits instead of feeding off tax-payers money.

no you can't. take these facts and refute them. even if you did the facts are totally against someone who would try to rebuke his points

in 1949(a recession year) black teenage unemployment was 9%
today and since the mid 70's its been no lower than 38%

is white discrimination worse today than in 1949 like you liberal morons want everyone to believe? OR is the welfare system the problem? since it's only within our own time that we see this tragedy that you morons are claiming raising the minimum wage will solve.

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or lets talk about the "legacy of slavery" that is often attributed to the destruction of the black family when studies show that the black family was largely intact through 1925


really what have liberals done for the minorities they champion?

My point is that only a liberal would take a simple system like social security and ruin it with things such as entitlements just because they think people deserve more than they themselves put in

 

[Mypower]

yet you provide no meaningful insight of your own. how odd.

I don't need to. You're never objective in your arguments, just look at the title of this thread. How am I supposed to take you seriously ? Learn some humility, make up your points and then come back to me.

 

[Lightbringer]

yet you provide no meaningful insight of your own. how odd.


no you can't. take these facts and refute them

in 1949(a recession year) black teenage unemployment was 9%
today and since the mid 70's its been no lower than 38%

is white discrimination worse today than in 1949 like you liberal morons what everyone to believe? OR is the welfare system the problem? since it's only within our own time that we see this tragedy that you morons are claiming raising the minimum wage will solve.

You must be registered for see links

or lets talk about the "legacy of slavery" that is often attributed to the destruction of the black family when studies show that the black family was largely intact through 1925


really what have liberals done for the minorities they champion?

My point is that only a liberal would take a simple system like social security and ruin it with things such as entitlements just because they think people deserve more than they themselves put in

You're retarded. You are straight up retarded.

The reason why black people have more unemployment now is because of outsourcing which didn't start till the 1980s.

Black people were making their way into the middle class and all of a sudden after Kissenger opened trade-segments with China, all of the corporations went there because it's cheap labor with little rights.

That left countless black people jobless and pretty much destroyed any chance of them becoming middle class. That's why there are so many ghettos now with almost no jobs in the vicinity, which make it difficult for the average black teen to get good education or find a job.

So you're completely ignorant and instead of doing your fact-checking, you just simply a very complex problem to fit your biased standards.

 

[slimreaper]

I don't need to. You're never objective in your arguments, just look at the title of this thread. How am I supposed to take you seriously ? Learn some humility, make up your points and then come back to me.

was it not a liberal(FDR) who corrupted social security?

I'm only ignorant because I don't agree with the way you view the world

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

yet you provide no meaningful insight of your own. how odd.


no you can't. take these facts and refute them. even if you did the facts are totally against someone who would try to rebuke his points

in 1949(a recession year) black teenage unemployment was 9%
today and since the mid 70's its been no lower than 38%

is white discrimination worse today than in 1949 like you liberal morons want everyone to believe? OR is the welfare system the problem? since it's only within our own time that we see this tragedy that you morons are claiming raising the minimum wage will solve.

You must be registered for see links

or lets talk about the "legacy of slavery" that is often attributed to the destruction of the black family when studies show that the black family was largely intact through 1925


really what have liberals done for the minorities they champion?

My point is that only a liberal would take a simple system like social security and ruin it with things such as entitlements just because they think people deserve more than they themselves put in

I'm not an expert but aren't teenagers less likely to even need a job now compared to back in 1949 (let alone black teenagers)? The reason teenagers don't have jobs that much does not necessarily suggest anything bad. People are in better situations so teenagers rarely need jobs these days.

 

[slimreaper]

You're retarded. You are straight up retarded.

The reason why black people have more unemployment now is because of outsourcing which didn't start till the 1980s.

Black people were making their way into the middle class and all of a sudden after Kissenger opened trade-segments with China, all of the corporations went there because it's cheap labor with little rights.

That left countless black people jobless and pretty much destroyed any chance of them becoming middle class. That's why there are so ghettos now with almost no jobs in vicinity, which make it difficult for the average black teen to get good education or find a job.

So you're completely ignorant and instead of doing your fact-checking, you just simply a very complex problem to fit your biased standards.

how about you site some sources before calling me retarded.

Low-income minorities are often hardest hit by the unemployment that follows in the wake of minimum-wage laws. The last year when the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate was 1930, the last year before there was a federal minimum-wage law. The following year, the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931 was passed, requiring minimum wages in the construction industry. This was in response to complaints that construction companies with non-union black construction workers were able to underbid construction companies with unionized white workers (whose unions would not admit blacks). Looking back over my own life, I realize now how lucky I was when I left home in 1948, at the age of 17, to become self-supporting. The unemployment rate for 16- and 17-year-old blacks at that time was under 10 percent. Inflation had made the minimum-wage law, passed ten years earlier, irrelevant. But it was only a matter of time before liberal compassion led to repeated increases in the minimum wage, to keep up with inflation. The annual unemployment rate for black teenagers has never been less than 20 percent in the past 50 years and has ranged as high as over 50 percent. You can check these numbers in a table of official government statistics on page 42 of Professor Walter Williams’s book Race and Economics. Incidentally, the black-white gap in unemployment rates for 16- and 17-year-olds was virtually nonexistent back in 1948. But the black teenage unemployment rate has been more than double that for white teenagers for every year since 1971.
the bold is for pumpkin

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

how about you site some sources before calling me retarded.

Low-income minorities are often hardest hit by the unemployment that follows in the wake of minimum-wage laws. The last year when the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate was 1930, the last year before there was a federal minimum-wage law. The following year, the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931 was passed, requiring minimum wages in the construction industry. This was in response to complaints that construction companies with non-union black construction workers were able to underbid construction companies with unionized white workers (whose unions would not admit blacks). Looking back over my own life, I realize now how lucky I was when I left home in 1948, at the age of 17, to become self-supporting. The unemployment rate for 16- and 17-year-old blacks at that time was under 10 percent. Inflation had made the minimum-wage law, passed ten years earlier, irrelevant. But it was only a matter of time before liberal compassion led to repeated increases in the minimum wage, to keep up with inflation. The annual unemployment rate for black teenagers has never been less than 20 percent in the past 50 years and has ranged as high as over 50 percent. You can check these numbers in a table of official government statistics on page 42 of Professor Walter Williams’s book Race and Economics. Incidentally, the black-white gap in unemployment rates for 16- and 17-year-olds was virtually nonexistent back in 1948. But the black teenage unemployment rate has been more than double that for white teenagers for every year since 1971.
the bold is for pumpkin

Ah, okay, I see. I mean yeah, but I thought welfare was for people with disabilities or for people who COULD not work for good reasons. So the problem is people leach off of it, so you want to make it lower, forcing people to look for jobs?