Sasuke wouldve lost 2 both Neji Or Lee(Uninjured) in exams PT 1

[Brooks]

This forums has a way of making me lose my shit.

 

[Ricardo]

Sasuke shit stomps both

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[Iruka]

heck yes. if 2T sasuke was able to speed blitz gaara's sand, he could easily avoid and counter neji's taijutsu.

Stop wanking neji.

Lee was equally able to "speed blitz" Gaara and yet he was said to be below Neji's level. Given that Neji's primary, maybe even only, form of attack was his adapted taijutsu it seems wrong to downplay its strength.

 

[LoZelda101]

Lee was equally able to "speed blitz" Gaara and yet he was said to be below Neji's level. Given that Neji's primary, maybe even only, form of attack was his adapted taijutsu it seems wrong to downplay its strength.

No, he was below neji prior to his extensive training with guy, not chunin exam arc lee. also the key difference is that sasuke possess the sharingan. which grants him the ability to read movements and follow high speed movements which btw sasuke became proficient in after his training with kakashi. honesly, all sasuke have to do is speed blitz neji around and use wire strings to trap and cook him. will solve both the rotation and gentle fist challenge.

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[Devauzamaki]

No, he was below neji prior to his extensive training with guy, not chunin exam arc lee. also the key difference is that sasuke possess the sharingan. which grants him the ability to read movements and follow high speed movements which btw sasuke became proficient in after his training with kakashi. honesly, all sasuke have to do is speed blitz neji around and use wire strings to trap and cook him. will solve both the rotation and gentle fist challenge.

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2t doesnt have pre-cog. thats 3t and higher

 

[Iruka]

No, he was below neji prior to his extensive training with guy, not chunin exam arc lee. also the key difference is that sasuke possess the sharingan. which grants him the ability to read movements and follow high speed movements which btw sasuke became proficient in after his training with kakashi.

Lee himself admits that Neji is most likely the strongest Leaf genin.

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Sasuke does possess the Sharingan, however, his ability to read movements was not stressed until it evolved to 3T during the VotE fight. Prior to that he wasn't able to predict Lee's attacks even when burdened by his training weights.


Kakashi even said that he didn't believe Sasuke was a match for Neji.

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honesly, all sasuke have to do is speed blitz neji around and use wire strings to trap and cook him. will solve both the rotation and gentle fist challenge.

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That's no different from someone saying, "All Neji has to do is hit Sasuke". Neji has shown his ability to repel projectiles from multiple angles and during the retrieval arc was able to break the web of the Sound Four ninja.

 

[Ambivalence]

2t doesnt have pre-cog. thats 3t and higher

:lol...

@zelda: Neji is at least on par with CE Lee without the latter using up to Fifth Gate. Neji was never impressed with Lee's weightless speed, and Lee himself stated that

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, so it's easy to see he wouldn't have beaten him without it if all it took was his normal speed. Then there's Neji's own high speed:

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almost instantly and

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. All Sasuke has over Neji is Chidori and his 2T precog.

 

[LoZelda101]

2t doesnt have pre-cog. thats 3t and higher

Going have to debunk that. he can see the movements and follow it precisely.

Doesn't need 3T at all. 2T + lee's base speed is more than enough to solo neji.

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[Mudballman]

No, he was below neji prior to his extensive training with guy, not chunin exam arc lee. also the key difference is that sasuke possess the sharingan. which grants him the ability to read movements and follow high speed movements which btw sasuke became proficient in after his training with kakashi. honesly, all sasuke have to do is speed blitz neji around and use wire strings to trap and cook him. will solve both the rotation and gentle fist challenge.

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Lee could beat neji using the gates, but sauske didn't have them. Base Lee (who sauske was matching) was inferior to neji. And 2t sharingan isn't very effective against the 360° vision and rotation

 

[LoZelda101]

Lee could beat neji using the gates, but sauske didn't have them. Base Lee (who sauske was matching) was inferior to neji. And 2t sharingan isn't very effective against the 360° vision and rotation

Nope. the inferior one wasn't even the base lee.

you're right. it's not very effective. that's why wire traps will easily fix that issue.

 

[Nick01]

I agree.

 

[Yatori]

Agreed. This is fact.

 

[LoZelda101]

Lee himself admits that Neji is most likely the strongest Leaf genin.

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Sasuke does possess the Sharingan, however, his ability to read movements was not stressed until it evolved to 3T during the VotE fight. Prior to that he wasn't able to predict Lee's attacks even when burdened by his training weights.


Kakashi even said that he didn't believe Sasuke was a match for Neji.

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That's no different from someone saying, "All Neji has to do is hit Sasuke". Neji has shown his ability to repel projectiles from multiple angles and during the retrieval arc was able to break the web of the Sound Four ninja.

lmao no. first off

1. he's comparing himself to when he lost neji back when he sucked ass. and as well as the fact that it's contradicting when later on lee quotes his 5gates could beat neji. so which is it? lmao

2. already debunked this. sasuke could SEE lee, it's that he couldn't KEEP up to it. also you're using a pre-6month? training sasuke had with kakashi as a poor example.

3. "kakashi even said sasuke is no match for neji" <-- LOL again, another pre-trained sasuke w/ kakashi as your example.

4. again. this isn't a 2T vs byakugan. this is 2T w/ lee's speed = enhance sasuke's movesets.

5. wire trap fire style is all sasuke need to do. and 2T sharingan with lee's speed with allow this succession.

 

[LoZelda101]

:lol...

@zelda: Neji is at least on par with CE Lee without the latter using up to Fifth Gate. Neji was never impressed with Lee's weightless speed, and Lee himself stated that

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, so it's easy to see he wouldn't have beaten him without it if all it took was his normal speed. Then there's Neji's own high speed:

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almost instantly and

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. All Sasuke has over Neji is Chidori and his 2T precog.

and better range jutsus and weapon traps. two of which is enough to put neji is situation where rotation will not always save him.

 

[Pyro NB]

Agreed

 

[Iruka]

lmao no. first off

1. he's comparing himself to when he lost neji back when he sucked ass. and as well as the fact that it's contradicting when later on lee quotes his 5gates could beat neji. so which is it? lmao

2. already debunked this. sasuke could SEE lee, it's that he couldn't KEEP up to it. also you're using a pre-6month? training sasuke had with kakashi as a poor example.

3. "kakashi even said sasuke is no match for neji" <-- LOL again, another pre-trained sasuke w/ kakashi as your example.

4. again. this isn't a 2T vs byakugan. this is 2T w/ lee's speed = enhance sasuke's movesets.

5. wire trap fire style is all sasuke need to do. and 2T sharingan with lee's speed with allow this succession.

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Where does it specify that? The manga has all kinds of continuity issues. When facing Sasuke for the first time, Lee claims to be the strongest Leaf genin [

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]. He then recants that and claims that he meant Neji was the strongest Leaf genin [

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]. I took the later claim, that Neji was stronger, as the more relevant.

We don't honestly know how Neji would fair against 5-gates Lee, though Lee seems quite confident in his ability here [

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]. Since Sasuke cannot use the gates and was restricted to Lee's unweighted speed, I didn't use it in a discussion about Sasuke vs Neji.


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I agree, he could see movements. My wording was bad in that I meant predict movements rather than observe them in real-time. However, we both agree that Sasuke couldn't physically react fast enough to counter Lee.

I'm not sure where you got six months training from. Sasuke and Lee fought right before the first exam. The only break was between the second and third exams, and that only lasted one month [

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]. That's quite a difference. If you want to call my example poor on the account of it being outdated, at least provide a scan indicating that Sasuke endured six months of training with Kakashi.


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And again, the gap was only one month rather than your claimed six. I don't think it's completely far-fetched that Sasuke didn't catch up to Neji in that amount of time.


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I agree, Sasuke has Lee's speed and moveset. However, if Lee's pre-gate abilities weren't enough to beat Neji, the only advantage Sasuke has is the ability to see Neji's movements in real-time. The argument now hinges on whether the ability to better read Neji's attacks changes the outcome.


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And all Neji needs to do is hit Sasuke's chakra points. Not a particularly strong argument, no? Your argument is no stronger. We've seen Sasuke use wire string before just as we saw Neji deflect projectiles. Assuming that Sasuke can trivially use them on Neji doesn't do him justice.


If you're going to debate this, it wouldn't hurt to practice common etiquette. Filling your argument with "lmao no", "lmao" and "LOL" doesn't strengthen what you say, it just makes me less interested in responding.

 

[LoZelda101]

Where does it specify that? The manga has all kinds of continuity issues. When facing Sasuke for the first time, Lee claims to be the strongest Leaf genin [x]. He then recants that and claims that he meant Neji was the strongest Leaf genin [x]. I took the later claim, that Neji was stronger, as the more relevant.

1. It's obvious that lee is referring to these times. i mean honestly, if neji was so busy that he didn't know lee learned something as impressive as 5 gates, it's obvious there is some gap within the timeline that lee is referring to when it came to neji's victory feat.

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.We don't honestly know how Neji would fair against 5-gates Lee, though Lee seems quite confident in his ability here [x]. Since Sasuke cannot use the gates and was restricted to Lee's unweighted speed, I didn't use it in a discussion about Sasuke vs Neji

But we do. neji struggled with naruto who just tapped into small portion of kyuubi chakra. the 5gates is much faster than that. atleast from the way the panels/animation is revealed. honestly the *only* true speed feat from neji wasn't till after his fight with neji and against sound 4. but again, kido wasn't a "speed" character. where as lee, naruto w/kurama and sasuke w/chidori is. so can you honestly consider that as a feat?

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I'm not sure where you got six months training from. Sasuke and Lee fought right before the first exam. The only break was between the second and third exams, and that only lasted one month [x]. That's quite a difference. If you want to call my example poor on the account of it being outdated, at least provide a scan indicating that Sasuke endured six months of training with Kakashi.

yes, 1 month. couldn't remember the exact amount of days which is why i added the questionmark at the end.

If you want to call my example poor on the account of it being outdated

It's dumb to use scans as a example to show case a superiority or inferiority feat when the example you're providing is clearly outdated compared to the topic of this thread. sasuke's training with kakashi allowed him copy lee's moves and master his taijutsu. it's irrelevant to think that kakashi statement about sasuke not being capable of fighting neji still holds true. even when naruto told sasuke/kakashi he won the first round against neji, kakashi was not shocked. and mind you he kakashi had no intel about jiraiya teaching naruto to tap into the fox.

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And again, the gap was only one month rather than your claimed six. I don't think it's completely far-fetched that Sasuke didn't catch up to Neji in that amount of time.

Yet without even practicing he copied and easily used lotus perfectly, and in 1month training he mastered lee's taijutsu... yeah.. i think it's VERY likely he caught up to neji. you've wasted so much time wanking hyuuga's, you forgot just how talented uchiha blood is..

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That's no different from someone saying, "All Neji has to do is hit Sasuke". Neji has shown his ability to repel projectiles from multiple angles and during the retrieval arc was able to break the web of the Sound Four ninja.

sigh...sasuke is no idiot. he will use the wire traps when neji is physically incapable of stopping it. such as when neji in motion of an taijutsu or after the rotation is done spinning. etc. to think rotation negs everything is just silly and is about as dumb as people who say sakura's fist can solo everyone. that is the beauty of susanoo unlike rotation it stays active.

And all Neji needs to do is hit Sasuke's chakra points. Not a particularly strong argument, no? Your argument is no stronger. We've seen Sasuke use wire string before just as we saw Neji deflect projectiles. Assuming that Sasuke can trivially use them on Neji doesn't do him justice.


If you're going to debate this, it wouldn't hurt to practice common etiquette. Filling your argument with "lmao no", "lmao" and "LOL" doesn't strengthen what you say, it just makes me less interested in responding.

1. Yet it took how many times for neji to put down naruto's chakra points? one? two? three time? lol. stay salty scrub. wire traps is more than enough to beat someone who couldn't even handle naruto. lol,

2. if you're bothered by the words "lmao" and "LOL" then maybe you've spent ALITTLE too much time on the internet kiddo.



ugh, i'm done talking about. this is like the 3rd hyuuga vs uchiha thread i've been in. tired of it.

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[LoZelda101]

:lol...

@zelda: Neji is at least on par with CE Lee without the latter using up to Fifth Gate. Neji was never impressed with Lee's weightless speed, and Lee himself stated that

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, so it's easy to see he wouldn't have beaten him without it if all it took was his normal speed. Then there's Neji's own high speed:

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almost instantly and

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. All Sasuke has over Neji is Chidori and his 2T precog.

Where does it specify that? The manga has all kinds of continuity issues. When facing Sasuke for the first time, Lee claims to be the strongest Leaf genin [x]. He then recants that and claims that he meant Neji was the strongest Leaf genin [x]. I took the later claim, that Neji was stronger, as the more relevant.

Oh, since you wanna play the "neji expression of impressions" BS game. then fine, cause from this scan he seems alittle butthurt and worried! and the fact that you guys keep claiming this "lee and kakashi thinks sasuke stands no chance" game, i find it funny that tenten (someone who trained with neji) couldn't even tell who might win. SURELY if it was obvious, she would dickride neji like she always did in neji vs lee, but she didn't this time, did she? bliet pre-1month train with kakashi. lmao *_*

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[Hyuga Prodigy]

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OT: That's true.

Neji defense>> Gaara which means Kaiten negs mid tier power level.

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[Chaosmark101]

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OT: That's true.

Naruto was empowered by Kyuubi chakra there Ambivalence, not sure CE Sasuke could replicate the outcome of Naruto & Neji's clash with CM or without CM