Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durability?

[Punk Hazard]

Re: Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durabil

Juubi jins don't have invincibility.
They have reg powers.
Narutos chakra protects him...
JJ have never shown protection feats...
Shinobi alliance was saved by Naruto's chakra

Taking a Lava RS that split the Shinju tree's trunk with just a gash on his stomach?

Where did you get that? I tought Orochimarus Kusanagi was the strongest sword in existence.

Y'all are still believing hyperbole. I thought it was well-known by now that pretty much every time Kishi says something is the "est" of something is subject to retcon.

Sasuke just got a different version, not necessarily stronger.

What?

And besides it couldn't pierce Deidara's clay

It could.

or Killer Bee's swords (and I doubt his swords were anything special).

So, assumption?

Also, Sasuke's original sword was lost to that volcano, so he probably got just a standard new one, considering how Kusanagi isn't something you get at a local shop.

Wasn't it just his scabbard? Also, if he get a separate Kusanagi sword once, who's to say he can't use that same method a second time? Who said anything about just finding Kusanagis in any local shops?

 

[UltraPain]

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@Bold: You still believe Kishi's hyperbole? El oh el.

Who said Killer Bee's swords were basic steel? Sounds like assumption to me. Not to mention that Sasuke's sword was being influenced by his Rinnegan at the time. If Sasuke's Rinnegan manipulating his sword can allow him to pierce a Juubi's form, I don't see why an inferior Dojutsu can't influence it to do the same to a similarly inferior cloak.

Ok so saying Killer B's swords are of basic design is declared an "assumption", but now we're exploring the idea that Sasuke's Rinnegan can manipulate his sword to pierce Juubi forms? Wtf?

 

[BlacLord™]

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1) Kusanagi is supposed to represent valour and remain good in the face of emotional and physical adversities. You could say that the sword that could cut anything couldn't penetrate Naruto's V2 cloak because the will of it's user ill-fitted the blade's. Similar to how Nunoboko failed Obito.
2) We don't know if Sasuke's new sword has any special properties.
3) We don't know if RSBM Naruto tanked Chidori or fumbled back in an attempt to dodge at the last moment.
4) It was

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that got stabbed. I.e. Rikudou chakra + 100% Kurama, as opposed to

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who used Rikudou Senjutsu + 50% Kurama + chakra portions of the other eight Bijuu.

 

[Warlocks]

Re: Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durabil

that was pnj sword piercing RSM naruto

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Re: Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durabil

Taking a Lava RS that split the Shinju tree's trunk with just a gash on his stomach?

Y'all are still believing hyperbole. I thought it was well-known by now that pretty much every time Kishi says something is the "est" of something is subject to retcon.


What?

It could.

So, assumption?


Wasn't it just his scabbard? Also, if he get a separate Kusanagi sword once, who's to say he can't use that same method a second time? Who said anything about just finding Kusanagis in any local shops?

It cut him
JJ MADARA.
But didn't fully cut him becuase he was pushed back at the same time.
Madara was cut many times and JJ Obito was cut by P.S
Look what S.A managed to survive with 1% Kyuubi chakra...
Juubis lightning,Katons and Kamui Shuriken,Yasaka Magatama...
Narutos Rasenshuriken blew Madara away and pushed him back you understand LOL Then it cut the tree
Sasukes Kusanagi is same as Oros.
If it would be so op why didn't it cut through Shin Sword?
LOL it's incosistency

 

[Ambivalence]

Re: Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durabil

Damn. When will you people realize that offense based on cutting weapons/techniques is clearly different from offense that does overall or blunt force damage? This was made clear DOZENS of times, and I'm only listing some examples.

1. Kaguya, the strongest being the NV, got her arm cut off by a chakra claw
2. JJ Madara was stabbed and later bisected
3. Gyuuki had no trouble tanking his BD, but got his tentacles cut off by a kunai and a Chidori Eiso, and even basic Shuriken dug into his paw

But someone would probably come with a funny argument like: ''bu-but neither Kaguya, Madara nor Gyuuki were glowing like Nardo!".

Anyway, KN4 Naruto (and V2 Jins in general) have a sturdier structure in a way. Only Kurama's chakra envelopes the body fully and creates a sort of a defensive layer, while modes are a mix of Naruto's and Kurama's chakra that offers greater than KN4's durability against non-bladed attacks, but loses a great deal of that specific property of its defense. I say a great deal because, and this is very important, it still offers protection against chakra-made slashing/impaling attacks, but it depends on how strong that attack is - a clear example of that is Madara not being cut by LRS, but being easily impaled by a sword and bisected by a Chidori Blade, which is much more focused than LRS. Sage Mode doesn't even offer visible chakra protection, much less protection from bladed offense, which was made clear when Sasuke easily stabbed into SM Madara, so I don't even know what that's doing there.

The first durability feats you listed are irrelevant, since that was Naruto tanking blunt force trauma, not slashing/bladed attacks. Don't even bother to pull that scan of Naruto grabbing those three swords. The only relevant one is Naruto using his elbow to block Chidori, which didn't impale him because Chidori simply wasn't strong enough to pierce through RSM, which is because of its lack of power just as much as it is because of it being chakra-based, unlike a physical weapon. Teen RSM Naruto would've gotten impaled by a sword as well, since no chakra mode offers that protection.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

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Here i'm going to provide proof :

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Look at Sasuke vs Naruto now:

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Did it even harm him?
Chidori didn't work however look at this :

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Sasuke's chakra sword pierced Madara,Chidori is more op...

Now lets look at this :

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Naruto's Kyuubi Mode enduration is over powered...
A JJ has regeneration feats but almost no protection,ofc it's strength increases however they can easier get harmed...
1% of Kyuubi's chakra saved S.A
Madara got stabbed by Obito:

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Chidori > Obito's hand right?

 

[LoZelda101]

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Damn. When will you people realize that offense based on cutting weapons/techniques is clearly different from offense that does overall or blunt force damage? This was made clear DOZENS of times, and I'm only listing some examples.

1. Kaguya, the strongest being the NV, got her arm cut off by a chakra claw
2. JJ Madara was stabbed and later bisected
3. Gyuuki had no trouble tanking his BD, but got his tentacles cut off by a kunai and a Chidori Eiso, and even basic Shuriken dug into his paw

But someone would probably come with a funny argument like: ''bu-but neither Kaguya, Madara nor Gyuuki were glowing like Nardo!".

Anyway, KN4 Naruto (and V2 Jins in general) have a sturdier structure in a way. Only Kurama's chakra envelopes the body fully and creates a sort of a defensive layer, while modes are a mix of Naruto's and Kurama's chakra that offers greater than KN4's durability against non-bladed attacks, but loses a great deal of that specific property of its defense. I say a great deal because, and this is very important, it still offers protection against chakra-made slashing/impaling attacks, but it depends on how strong that attack is - a clear example of that is Madara not being cut by LRS, but being easily impaled by a sword and bisected by a Chidori Blade, which is much more focused than LRS. Sage Mode doesn't even offer visible chakra protection, much less protection from bladed offense, which was made clear when Sasuke easily stabbed into SM Madara, so I don't even know what that's doing there.

The first durability feats you listed are irrelevant, since that was Naruto tanking blunt force trauma, not slashing/bladed attacks. Don't even bother to pull that scan of Naruto grabbing those three swords. The only relevant one is Naruto using his elbow to block Chidori, which didn't impale him because Chidori simply wasn't strong enough to pierce through RSM, which is because of its lack of power just as much as it is because of it being chakra-based, unlike a physical weapon. Teen RSM Naruto would've gotten impaled by a sword as well, since no chakra mode offers that protection.

"does durability+ increase not apply for all physical damage or did kishi start playing some dark souls and realize you can break it down into categories such as Regular, Strike, Slash and Thrust damage. and decided to remove the thrust dmg resistance from naruto? lmao"

as for the 4tails feat, that's still not a reasonable excuse. this isn't just kurama chakra that naruto is in, this is SAGE MODE kurama chakra that naruto is in. no kinds of mediocre damage should be piercing naruto like this at all. the fact the chidori didn't stab him but sword did is the problem. and him tanking a 500?ft fall into giant spikes is a pretty relevant feat

 

[Punk Hazard]

Re: Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durabil

Ok so saying Killer B's swords are of basic design is declared an "assumption", but now we're exploring the idea that Sasuke's Rinnegan can manipulate his sword to pierce Juubi forms? Wtf?

Sasuke teleported his sword to pierce Madara, which is done via Rinnegan.

It cut him
JJ MADARA.
But didn't fully cut him becuase he was pushed back at the same time.

That's not how it works. It's the force of the RS expanding that should have let it tear through Madara. Madara was pushed because his body was so durable, the RS was unable to simply rip through him.

Madara was cut many times and JJ Obito was cut by P.S

Senjutsu is a Juubi Jin's weakness. They also didn't cut through him, the strike removed the chakra.

Look what S.A managed to survive with 1% Kyuubi chakra...
Juubis lightning,Katons and Kamui Shuriken,Yasaka Magatama...
Narutos Rasenshuriken blew Madara away and pushed him back you understand LOL Then it cut the tree

What are you actually saying here?

Sasukes Kusanagi is same as Oros.

It's not.

If it would be so op why didn't it cut through Shin Sword?

Because maybe the sword is of similar quality??????

 

[Punk Hazard]

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Here i'm going to provide proof :

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Look at Sasuke vs Naruto now:

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Did it even harm him?
Chidori didn't work however look at this :

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Sasuke's chakra sword pierced Madara,Chidori is more op...

The Chidori didn't hit Naruto head on.

Now lets look at this :

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Naruto's Kyuubi Mode enduration is over powered...
A JJ has regeneration feats but almost no protection,ofc it's strength increases however they can easier get harmed...
1% of Kyuubi's chakra saved S.A

Where's this 1% coming from?

Madara got stabbed by Obito:

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Chidori > Obito's hand right?

Kamui?

 

[TenseiganFTW]

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Sasuke teleported his sword to pierce Madara, which is done via Rinnegan.

That's not how it works. It's the force of the RS expanding that should have let it tear through Madara. Madara was pushed because his body was so durable, the RS was unable to simply rip through him.

Senjutsu is a Juubi Jin's weakness. They also didn't cut through him, the strike removed the chakra.

What are you actually saying here?


It's not.

Because maybe the sword is of similar quality??????

Same sword i meant Kusanagi sword...
Toneri's Moon slash didn't pierce Naruto.
Shinobi alliance survived Kamui shuriken each shinobi had less than 1 % chakra of Kyuubi and they survived against Katon,YASAKA MAGATAMA AND KAMUI SHURIKEN YOU UNDERSTAND?There were thousands of Shinobi's there.,Yasaka Magatama,Sasuke's sword didn't destroy Kinshiki weapons LOL,except by infusing them with black lightning he would be able to destroy them...
Not my fault if manga contradicts itself...
Toneri's Chakra sword was infused with TSB.

 

[LoZelda101]

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Black Zetsu is created through Kaguya's will and power. I'm not surprised.

Or-OR-it means Killer Bee's sword is of similar quality.

Another thing to consider is that the sword was being manipulated by a Mangekyo-level Dojutsu, it's not some toddler threw it at Naruto.

Cmon one panel Sasuke is rikudou mode the other Sasuke is normal Uchiha. Zetsu stabbing Madara means nothing just you making underestimation after underestimation. Finally in the panel naruto supposidely blocks chidori i think Naruto flies back just before getting hit because typically chidori doesn't send an opponent flying back so far and Naruto fended off some of the eletricity with his arm. There are many ways to convey that panel but naruto didn't rlly tank a direct chidori.

Okay, fine. i'll take a bite out of this "stronger dojutsu = stronger sword power" idea of yours. the only thing going against this theory is the killer B blocking sasuke's sword feat because even if he had the same material, he still lacks the eyes to match it. cause i refuse to believe KB > RSM naruto durability.

 

[Amazeballs]

Re: Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durabil

It was hinted at thousands of times that Naruto had a particular weak spot, right in that exact location, on his stomach. It was foreshadowed that he would one day be stabbed there by Sasuke's sword. Kishi set it up from the beginning. I'm to busy to post links right now, but look it up.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Re: Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durabil

Okay, fine. i'll take a bite out of this "stronger dojutsu = stronger sword power" idea of yours. the only thing going against this theory is the killer B blocking sasuke's sword feat because even if he had the same material, he still lacks the eyes to match it. cause i refuse to believe KB > RSM naruto durability.

They are trying to make Naruto sound logical LOL
Stronger sword power?Why didn't Sasuke pierce through Shin's SWORDS...
AND THEY TALK ABOUT QUALITY OF SWORD,HOWEVER THEY TALK ABOUT DOJUTSU power,i'm mind blown.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Re: Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durabil

It was hinted at thousands of times that Naruto had a particular weak spot, right in that exact location, on his stomach. It was foreshadowed that he would one day be stabbed there by Sasuke's sword. Kishi set it up from the beginning. I'm to busy to post links right now, but look it up.

NOPE...
Naruto was stabbed in the same place by Orochimaru.

 

[Ambivalence]

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or did kishi start playing some dark souls and realize you can break it down into categories such as Regular, Strike, Slash and Thrust damage. and decided to remove the thrust dmg resistance from naruto?

That's how it works, otherwise half of the feats in the manga make no sense, and I'd easily be able to say that a shuriken does more damage than a mountain-buster.

About KN4 and V2 Jins - as I already said, the shroud being composed of Kurama's chakra entirely gives it a layer of defense with actual protection against physical weapons, so you listing quality of chakra doesn't make any difference as we're not talking about the same type of defense. Of course, V2 Jins are not immune to cutting, as Kakashi sliced through multiple tails with a Raikiri Chain, which was seemingly enough to overcome that chakra layer. Now, a base Chidori vs RSM cloak? Of course that wouldn't get past it. But since even that same RSM cloak doesn't have that one property unique to V2 Jins, it will still get pierced by physical weapons.

 

[Marin]

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Y'all are still believing hyperbole. I thought it was well-known by now that pretty much every time Kishi says something is the "est" of something is subject to retcon.

Not at all. If a blade can cut through (nearly) anything then it's is ofcourse the strongest (sharpest) blade. Just as how you would call a ball bigger than any other the biggest ball. Logic.

What?

What what? Sasuke's sword is an enchanced chokuto, a traditional katana, the only difference being it is enchanced in both size and cutting power. On its own it never could match up to the original so Sasuke had to use lightning (remember the thread I made before ) to add to the cutting power.

Not to mention, had the sword been the same as the Kusanagi Orochimaru wielded, it would have similar properties such as prolonging itself or telephatic control. It doesn't have these so there is no reason to consider it a full-blown Kusanagi, as Sasuke simply called it that without really any justification. (Hyperbole much?)

It could.

My bad, I meant to say cut, not pierce. Remember the fight against Deidara's clay minions? Sasuke indeed did cut a few but his sword got stuck in the big one. Therefore, he couldn't cut through. I doubt you can compare that with Orochimaru who has left scars even on the Hiruzen's monkey staff wich is one of the hardest things outthere.

So, assumption?

Just as much as it is to say they are. Kishi never stated Bee used special sword, thus there is no reason to say he did. People use ordinary swords by default.

And there's no point in talking about assumptions here as this whole topic is based on something that hasn't really been adressed properly in the manga. We never found out anything special about his sword, nor has it shown any special properties.

We have no choice but to go by the humble knowledge we have and "assume" why things work how they work.

Wasn't it just his scabbard? Also, if he get a separate Kusanagi sword once, who's to say he can't use that same method a second time? Who said anything about just finding Kusanagis in any local shops?

Hmm, it seems you're right. I just took a look and indeed, after Sasuke impaled Madara with it, he didn't bother picking the sword up as he rushed in with his Chidori. I guess it is the same sword then, my bad.

Umm, no Orochimaru gave Sasuke his sword as far as I understood it. He's the only known person in the series to wield it, and Sasuke only got it after his time with Orochimaru. It seems like the most probable thing to happen.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Re: Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durabil

The Chidori didn't hit Naruto head on.


Where's this 1% coming from?

Kamui?

No it was not Kamui
Naruto wasn't stabbed,he still did hit him so ?
You can't ignore the fact that he was hit...
Each shinobi had Kurama chakra ans survived bunch of attacks.
There were thousands of shinobi's there bro...or atleast more than 100...
To end this faster lets say this :
#NarutoMangaMakes0sense

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LOOK at this.
One or two pages before he was running back,and then he was pushed back..
And Rasenshuriken didn't fully reach him.

 

[Amazeballs]

Re: Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durabil

In all seriousness, Kishi retconned the durability feats of SM/4-Tails mode. Those feats were there to create hype; 4-Tails Naruto was meant to go on a rampage, and appear invincible, long before Kishi truly introduced "Bijuu-level" power into the series. Once he did, he needed his characters to fight with more limitations.

It's the same reason that Kishi constantly nerfs/un-nerfs "Speed Blitz" potential.

 

[Ambivalence]

Re: Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durabil

In all seriousness, Kishi retconned the durability feats of SM/4-Tails mode. Those feats were there to create hype; 4-Tails Naruto was meant to go on a rampage, and appear invincible, long before Kishi truly introduced "Bijuu-level" power into the series. Once he did, he needed his characters to fight with more limitations.

How did he retcon SM's dirability when SM was never, ever shown faring against a blade or a chakra attack that cuts?

How did he retcon KN4 when neither Naruto nor other V2 Jins have ever been shown to be pierced by a sword, which is what KN4 Naruto tanked?