Custom Element Submition and Custom Jutsus

[Eddy-kun..]

-.- THE SYSTEM IS GREAT THE WAY IT IS DON'T BRING YOUR "RA" RULES/IDEAS TO NB

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

-.- THE SYSTEM IS GREAT THE WAY IT IS DON'T BRING YOUR "RA" RULES/IDEAS TO NB

if you had just took a second of your time to read the previous post, you would've noticed that we are trying to apply NB's RULES.

 

[Rei]

Speaking words of wisdom Liliana U__U

...and Rag xd

CE have gone out of hands. It's just ridiculous to see what gets submitted there, and worst, what gets approved.

Some of the CE aren't even based on Elements at all O_O

Glad you made this thread (you mentioned my little problem with the Mud/Earth customs xD).

I told Emp about it, and we're working something out (since I am the co-creator of said Mud element). I realized that Mud was just a branch of Earth, that's why I was resubmitting most of my Mud customs as Earth customs.

As for custom elements, I honestly can't stand them. Peope here can have a total of NINE elements. That makes me smh. No more than 2 elements should be allowed per person. I'd be fine if there were no CEs at all.

I will ignore all the flaming and spaming and the fact that this thread is not in the right section.
May I ask, though, where exactly were you 3 and what exactly were you doing when things "started going wrong on the Bureau"?
I mean, since you know Naruto RP so well and you have so many ideas about it why haven't you suggested them..let's say 4 months ago?

 

[Eddy-kun..]

if you had just took a second of your time to read the previous post, you would've noticed that we are trying to apply NB's RULES.

LMAO Izuna you know I was just playing, I just love trying to make ppl mad xd

And I think we should only be allow to use 3 elements per battle + KG (which would be your custom element) but what about Shargain? (spelling)

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

I will ignore all the flaming and spaming and the fact that this thread is not in the right section.
May I ask, though, where exactly were you 3 and what exactly were you doing when things "started going wrong on the Bureau"?
I mean, since you know Naruto RP so well and you have so many ideas about it why haven't you suggested them..let's say 4 months ago?

Cause I was an OP idiot lurking for power :|

And because we couldn't foresee what would happen when we first started the CE.

Edited: 4 months ago I was busy trying to make another site run. lol

 

[Lili-Chwan]

I will ignore all the flaming and spaming and the fact that this thread is not in the right section.
May I ask, though, where exactly were you 3 and what exactly were you doing when things "started going wrong on the Bureau"?
I mean, since you know Naruto RP so well and you have so many ideas about it why haven't you suggested them..let's say 4 months ago?

I have no idea where I was 4 months ago, but I was only confronted with Custom Jutsus and Custom Elements recently. I'm not sure what's your point, nor why this is the wrong place to make suggestions.

 

[Rei]

Cause I was an OP idiot lurking for power :|

And because we couldn't foresee what would happen when we first started the CE.

Edited: 4 months ago I was busy trying to make another site run. lol

You see, Izuna, our personal differences aside, I cannot trust you nor your suggestions. Of course that is completely unprofessional of me, but I can't help but think that your intentions are not what they appear to be.
Not that you have given me any basis for that thought in these last days you have become active again, but I just see someone complaining; someone who shouldn't be.

I have no idea where I was 4 months ago, but I was only confronted with Custom Jutsus and Custom Elements recently. I'm not sure what's your point, nor why this is the wrong place to make suggestions.

For you specifically Liliana, that is the point exactly. You have been Naruto RP active only for a while now and thus, I think you should spend some time by reading old RP thread and see how things were in the past and compare them to how they are now; maybe you would see the major improvements we have all made, staff and members.
I have said this to -NU-'s thread also, the basis we were given to work on wasn't the best, trust me.

 

[Typhon]

I tried to submit a lightning technique but then I was told that there was a Custom Element that already had the same properties. If I did it using only one element, how can there be a CE of that? I've come to realize that these so called CE are starting to take away the physical demonstrations of basic elements. For example, Earth Chakra can also create Mud, but when a Mud jutsu was submited, since there was Mud element already, there could be no more jutsu that use Earth chakra for Mud. How can this be possible?

CE are suppose to be based on elemental combinations that require a special chakra something to become an entirely new element, not some basic combination or some overload of on type of chakra (Like Hell Fire, wth it's just powerfull fire, there are S ranks for some reason!).

I'm not saying people should be stripped of their customs, because some, like Lava, even though a normal ninja could use fire to heat earth, using the elemnt Lava the user can preform lava techniques that are automatically lava (this happens with more elements, like Steam). But if a jutsu were to create an earth structure and then heat it, it shouldn't be declined because there's a CE already.

So either some of the CE that are seen being preformed with only one chakra on the Manga are taken away, or people are allowed to still submit them as a CJ.

While I agree about the mud as there are already pre-existing mud techniques on the doton jutsu list, it is possible to create a new element from a pre-existing one.

For example, Amaterasu is classified as a fire technique. But when Sasuke starts using Amaterasu for different techniques by manipulating it, it becomes the blaze element.

(And I just realized I skipped over 2 pages of the thread so if what I said was already covered, sorry. xd)

 

[Caliburn]

I tried to submit a lightning technique but then I was told that there was a Custom Element that already had the same properties. If I did it using only one element, how can there be a CE of that? I've come to realize that these so called CE are starting to take away the physical demonstrations of basic elements. For example, Earth Chakra can also create Mud, but when a Mud jutsu was submited, since there was Mud element already, there could be no more jutsu that use Earth chakra for Mud. How can this be possible?

CE are suppose to be based on elemental combinations that require a special chakra something to become an entirely new element, not some basic combination or some overload of on type of chakra (Like Hell Fire, wth it's just powerfull fire, there are S ranks for some reason!).

I'm not saying people should be stripped of their customs, because some, like Lava, even though a normal ninja could use fire to heat earth, using the elemnt Lava the user can preform lava techniques that are automatically lava (this happens with more elements, like Steam). But if a jutsu were to create an earth structure and then heat it, it shouldn't be declined because there's a CE already.

So either some of the CE that are seen being preformed with only one chakra on the Manga are taken away, or people are allowed to still submit them as a CJ.

Ehm no. I think it's more like people are stepping outside the bounderies of the elements when making custom jutsu's and less like that CE are starting to take away the properties of the elements =/

First and for all making a custom element is something almost symbolic. You can't be called a true RPer if you haven't made your own CE. Whether people have this feeling consciously or subconsciously I don't know, but it's a fact that CE have a certain attraction to people. Originally the CE started with reasonable normal things, however the number of RPers increases and "normal" CE aren't unlimited. The result if this was something that could have been predicted from the moment CE came into existence as it's a logical consequence. So people start searching more and more detailed.

Does that make their elements any less a real CE? No, then you don't understand the elements you use. If you say fire is fire and water is water you absolutely don't know anything at all about the elements =/

I certainly wouldn't say that all the elements are true elements. There are some where I too have my doubts about, however most of them can still be concidered real CE.

Blue fire, white fire, sun fire...yes they can all be placed in the category of "fire". However a lot of people in this thread are actually at the point of seeing them all as one and the same, then you're just being ignorant because that's the same as saying that all humans are the same, that everyone could run as fast as Usain Bolt or swim as fast as Micheal Phelps or dribble like Lionl Messi as they are all "humans". They are all considered fire because they share some identical aspects, but they aren't the same as there are still a lot of differences too. Sun Fire is made completely different than normal fire, blue and white fire have completely different aspects too. The proof is in the manga: everyone uses normal fire, never blue or white as they're different. Another thing I need to add to this is that Amaterasu is also fire, still no one is complaining about it, no one has trouble seeing it as something completely different. You need an MS to create it, just like you need for Sun fire etc. specific requirements, which makes it a CE.

Same goes for metal. You can go check all the metals in the Periodic Table and say that they are all metals, but there are still differences between them. Some are extremely flexible, others are very heat-resistant etc.

Also by saying "if I did it using only one element, how can there be a CE of that" you're indirectly implying that everyone who knows water and earth can create wood and everyone that knows water and wind can create ice. Yes that's what you're actually saying as you say that because you know a specific element you should be able to use it at its uttermost limits, in the case that you would know wind and water so well, it should be easy for a lot of people just to create ice.

I won't deny that there are some "odd" CE, however around 90% or more are good. As I mentioned before it's more like people are stepping outside the bounderies of the elements when making custom jutsu's and less like that CE are starting to take away the properties of the elements. In the manga lightning is pretty much shooting lightningblasts or things along those lines. When you start using lightning in such a way it isn't actual lightning anymore you can call it a CE, even if it's only based on one element. For example Kirabi had once a lightning custom with which he used lightning to start messing with ions so that he could transform one element into another. In theory that's possible, however do you still call that lightning? No, it was just another variation of the Radioactivity-CE.
I don't know what your custom was, though people have the urge for searching more and more original customs, which results in people starting use the elements in completely different ways that they're actually making CE and often come into the territory of already existing CE. Who's then in fault? Probably both, though saying what you're saying is just complete wrong.

And I'm completely against treating CE as KG =/ One it's not true as Shodaime made wood which wasn't a KG. I know there's a difference between a KG and treating like a KG, but the concequences are completely messed up. Do you even know as to what the would result? Every bio should be rechecked as a lot of bio's would suddenly be breaking the rules. Not to mention that the older members, who have the CE, would see things they build up for months instantly crumble and new members would never be able to use it like them. Who's going to be happy? This would lead to an unorganized mess.
Not to mention for what? What good would it do?

When people specify in certain techniques/elements, it's logical that they would make a CE of it or something, just like the Shodaime made wood. Every CE needs to have strengths and weaknesses, otherwise they won't be approved. So I see no reason to start treating them like KG.

Personally there are some suspicious CE and some odd cases, however most of them are OK and nothing should be changed. I find this almost a case of "changing evil be evil". If you would take away some CE based on one element you may kill that threat, but than you create the threat of people making extreme ridiculous jutsu's. I find this thread nearly as pointless as the one of the OP jutsu's.

PS: I would advise some people to keep a low profile. The RP-system is almost like an organic system, it has evolved over time, both in good and bad ways and the result of this is that you just can't instantly start making any changes as the base remains the same. Some people should realize that they're the ones who created that base and are now complaining about it They are some people who really can't appreciate this kind of behavior, especially as I mentioned the RP-system always evolves and that in the past you maybe knew it well, but that doesn't mean you do it now. That has been proven with the extremely pointless discussion about OP-jutsu's.

 

[Alucard]

i'll use this thread and try to insist on what i've been saying for a looong time, however ppl always say to do that on the battle thread and that wont work because no one will do it =/

Allow only 3 elements + KG/CE/Other special ability, like rain or sound or something.

Each time i give that idea, everyone disagrees >_>
You may think it's too restricted, however, if you think, ppl only want to have all the opness they can and all the elements and abilities they can, because there is always someone oped than then. So, other ppl want to keep up with them. That will only make everyone to be even more oped. It's like a giant snow ball, constantly getting bigger and will never stop

With this, ppl would feel that need to be oped or have all the abilities they can have.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

For you specifically Liliana, that is the point exactly. You have been Naruto RP active only for a while now and thus, I think you should spend some time by reading old RP thread and see how things were in the past and compare them to how they are now; maybe you would see the major improvements we have all made, staff and members.
I have said this to -NU-'s thread also, the basis we were given to work on wasn't the best, trust me.

I understand that. But if that's going to be your answer for everything, then why bother creating a section for suggestions? The thing is, there are lots of Ce, and they're starting feel less and less elemental. But even though this is flawed, my point with this thread wasn't even that.

My point was that people were creating elements out of techniques that could be done with one single element. Ad since they have the patent of the said element, other people that try to use the element with the properties used in the manga, can't. Some custom started to be declined because there was the element already in the manga. Then why can't these jutsus be declined aswell?

Mud, Oil, Gas, Sticky Liquid, Sticky Mud, etc are techniques that can be done with a single chakra, and so we shouldn't be restricted just because some ramdom Kage (being a spammer or a worthy rper) decide to create a CE out of something that shouldn't be one. And this should be applied to the effects and characteristics of a chakra. If we can make a certain chakra act a certain way and create a CJ using that, why should it be declined just because there's a CE that does that already? If that's the only characteristic of an element and can be done with a single chakra, why is it something new?

 

[Typhon]

i'll use this thread and try to insist on what i've been saying for a looong time, however ppl always say to do that on the battle thread and that wont work because no one will do it =/

Allow only 3 elements + KG/CE/Other special ability, like rain or sound or something.

Each time i give that idea, everyone disagrees >_>
You may think it's too restricted, however, if you think, ppl only want to have all the opness they can and all the elements and abilities they can, because there is always someone oped than then. So, other ppl want to keep up with them. That will only make everyone to be even more oped. It's like a giant snow ball, constantly getting bigger and will never stop

With this, ppl would feel that need to be oped or have all the abilities they can have.

I've had that same idea for a while, even more so to restrict it to 2 elements+KG or w/e. But it always gets hated on.

As for counting a CE as a KG I disagree. Mainly because in essence what you're doing then is creating a custom clan. If you have a CE and teach it to a couple of other people, then how is that not a clan? KG are results of unique abilities within a clan. So in order to have a KG you need to have the DNA of that specific clan. So if a CE is a KG, then your character needs that "blood" to have that CE. Thus, what you've just created is a clan without a name.

 

[The Pervy Sage]

i'll use this thread and try to insist on what i've been saying for a looong time, however ppl always say to do that on the battle thread and that wont work because no one will do it =/

Allow only 3 elements + KG/CE/Other special ability, like rain or sound or something.

Each time i give that idea, everyone disagrees >_>
You may think it's too restricted, however, if you think, ppl only want to have all the opness they can and all the elements and abilities they can, because there is always someone oped than then. So, other ppl want to keep up with them. That will only make everyone to be even more oped. It's like a giant snow ball, constantly getting bigger and will never stop

With this, ppl would feel that need to be oped or have all the abilities they can have.

I like the idea, but like you said you can just create these rules in the battle thread itself. The restrictions and rules that have been introduced into the rp system are enough to try and stop Op ness. An example would be today i asked rei for permission to learn sound but she was unsure as i have sage mode and an ice bio, which is perfectly reasonable as its to restrict OP.

Though i see other members with many abilities, the easy way to stop it is to say at the start of the fight... like so:

Rei's r and r
All basic jutsu
1 c.e
no kg
cj allowed...


Its that simple.




As for those complaining about how the system is, if they had a problem they should of been here to solve it not to leave and come back and complain straight away, to RP on this site is your choice, your not forced too, so if you dont like the way its done either make a sugestion in a suggestion thread, or dont rp here, or dont complain its that simple.

 

[RokuNR]

Ehm no. I think it's more like people are stepping outside the bounderies of the elements when making custom jutsu's and less like that CE are starting to take away the properties of the elements =/

First and for all making a custom element is something almost symbolic. You can't be called a true RPer if you haven't made your own CE. Whether people have this feeling consciously or subconsciously I don't know, but it's a fact that CE have a certain attraction to people. Originally the CE started with reasonable normal things, however the number of RPers increases and "normal" CE aren't unlimited. The result if this was something that could have been predicted from the moment CE came into existence as it's a logical consequence. So people start searching more and more detailed.

Does that make their elements any less a real CE? No, then you don't understand the elements you use. If you say fire is fire and water is water you absolutely don't know anything at all about the elements =/

I certainly wouldn't say that all the elements are true elements. There are some where I too have my doubts about, however most of them can still be concidered real CE.

Blue fire, white fire, sun fire...yes they can all be placed in the category of "fire". However a lot of people in this thread are actually at the point of seeing them all as one and the same, then you're just being ignorant because that's the same as saying that all humans are the same, that everyone could run as fast as Usain Bolt or swim as fast as Micheal Phelps or dribble like Lionl Messi as they are all "humans". They are all considered fire because they share some identical aspects, but they aren't the same as there are still a lot of differences too. Sun Fire is made completely different than normal fire, blue and white fire have completely different aspects too. The proof is in the manga: everyone uses normal fire, never blue or white as they're different. Another thing I need to add to this is that Amaterasu is also fire, still no one is complaining about it, no one has trouble seeing it as something completely different. You need an MS to create it, just like you need for Sun fire etc. specific requirements, which makes it a CE.

Same goes for metal. You can go check all the metals in the Periodic Table and say that they are all metals, but there are still differences between them. Some are extremely flexible, others are very heat-resistant etc.

Also by saying "if I did it using only one element, how can there be a CE of that" you're indirectly implying that everyone who knows water and earth can create wood and everyone that knows water and wind can create ice. Yes that's what you're actually saying as you say that because you know a specific element you should be able to use it at its uttermost limits, in the case that you would know wind and water so well, it should be easy for a lot of people just to create ice.

I won't deny that there are some "odd" CE, however around 90% or more are good. As I mentioned before it's more like people are stepping outside the bounderies of the elements when making custom jutsu's and less like that CE are starting to take away the properties of the elements. In the manga lightning is pretty much shooting lightningblasts or things along those lines. When you start using lightning in such a way it isn't actual lightning anymore you can call it a CE, even if it's only based on one element. For example Kirabi had once a lightning custom with which he used lightning to start messing with ions so that he could transform one element into another. In theory that's possible, however do you still call that lightning? No, it was just another variation of the Radioactivity-CE.
I don't know what your custom was, though people have the urge for searching more and more original customs, which results in people starting use the elements in completely different ways that they're actually making CE and often come into the territory of already existing CE. Who's then in fault? Probably both, though saying what you're saying is just complete wrong.

And I'm completely against treating CE as KG =/ One it's not true as Shodaime made wood which wasn't a KG. I know there's a difference between a KG and treating like a KG, but the concequences are completely messed up. Do you even know as to what the would result? Every bio should be rechecked as a lot of bio's would suddenly be breaking the rules. Not to mention that the older members, who have the CE, would see things they build up for months instantly crumble and new members would never be able to use it like them. Who's going to be happy? This would lead to an unorganized mess.
Not to mention for what? What good would it do?

When people specify in certain techniques/elements, it's logical that they would make a CE of it or something, just like the Shodaime made wood. Every CE needs to have strengths and weaknesses, otherwise they won't be approved. So I see no reason to start treating them like KG.

Personally there are some suspicious CE and some odd cases, however most of them are OK and nothing should be changed. I find this almost a case of "changing evil be evil". If you would take away some CE based on one element you may kill that threat, but than you create the threat of people making extreme ridiculous jutsu's. I find this thread nearly as pointless as the one of the OP jutsu's.

PS: I would advise some people to keep a low profile. The RP-system is almost like an organic system, it has evolved over time, both in good and bad ways and the result of this is that you just can't instantly start making any changes as the base remains the same. Some people should realize that they're the ones who created that base and are now complaining about it They are some people who really can't appreciate this kind of behavior, especially as I mentioned the RP-system always evolves and that in the past you maybe knew it well, but that doesn't mean you do it now. That has been proven with the extremely pointless discussion about OP-jutsu's.

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Read the whole thing @_@ lol

Bravo, Cali...Bravo! U_U
xd

Once again, you never cease to amaze me with your great depth and understanding of RP's workings, RP trends, and ability to create massive walls of texts larger than my own xd

NarutoBase Roleplaying is like a cycle O_O It continues to go through phases and you won't always know which turn is right or wrong or what will happen with each substantial revolution/reform, but in order to make the right choices, we've learned from mistakes of the past and the foreshadowing effects of the future outcomes in which each issue may lead O_O

 

[The Pervy Sage]

o_o

Read the whole thing @_@ lol

Bravo, Cali...Bravo! U_U
xd

Once again, you never cease to amaze me with your great depth and understanding of RP's workings, RP trends, and ability to create massive walls of texts larger than my own xd

Completely agree xd

 

[Alucard]

I like the idea, but like you said you can just create these rules in the battle thread itself.

the thing is, no one will do that. However if it's made a rule, ppl wouldnt quit rp because of that and would fight with those rules. It makes things fair, simple and realistic.

 

[Kawagiri]

OMG O__O

I want that bio just to menace people with it O__O!

xd

Honestly, there are loads of stuff that need to be fix with the current CJ and CE system. Bio are well regulated however now.


One thing I wanted to mention. It's stated that one can only possess one KG (in the bio restriction), however people seems to forget that CE are KG. Just remember Haku who had ice. It was his KG to mix both chakra to create ice jutsu. This mean that no one should ever be allowed to possess more then one CE (without KG) or one KG and no CE, with the current rules on NB.

You must be registered for see links

"You are allowed to posses 2 KG in both your biographies under the restrictions you will see in the below post."

just to correct your post

to me that reads as 2 in each

 

[The Pervy Sage]

the thing is, no one will do that. However if it's made a rule, ppl wouldnt quit rp because of that and would fight with those rules. It makes things fair, simple and realistic.

I like the option to choice what i can use, and i always create rules like that, and ive noticed Izuna does too...

I just like the ability to use all 5 elements, well i think all basic jutsu you bio is able to use is good, but then restrict at the start of the fight with kg, c.e and special abilities

 

[Alucard]

I like the option to choice what i can use, and i always create rules like that, and ive noticed Izuna does too...

I just like the ability to use all 5 elements, well i think all basic jutsu you bio is able to use is good, but then restrict at the start of the fight with kg, c.e and special abilities

but if ppl can choose, they will always choose all elements they can and this won't stop.

 

[The Pervy Sage]

but if ppl can choose, they will always choose all elements they can and this won't stop.

And whats wrong with being able to choose all elements?

I like it that way... as long as its kept fair... so both RPers can use all 5 basic elements.... thats fair... then you restrict c.e and w.e else... but youve got to remember theres only a certain extent to what the RP can be fair and realistic...