What if science worked like religion?

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Thanks, this is what I wanted to hear from you. Are you also saying that your religion is the religion of peace?
I kinda have a déjà vu now.
Yes, human mind is sick. You are the perfect example, thanks.
Who more sick here, human that attracted to his/her same gender or otherwise? Think logically as people like you like to think Logic.

Using Logic Man and woman is the right pairing. How using Logic man and man or woman and woman can be natural piring of human species??????

Who sick in using Logic now? Me or you?

And after this we will hear man with animal or woman with animal in not distance future and with will hear the Human Right for that:bdpf:

And yes Islam want the better of human and Peace of mind from all the weird thing(LGBT) happen in this world. Thats why Islam opposed it but you support the weird thing.

People that debate about LGBT is good for balance of human population bcus human not needed to focus on breeding all the days but actually currently many western countries have declining birth rate even without LGBT support same as Japan or Korea and China on the way.
 
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Scientists are able to observe the effects of black holes (even if they can't actually see the black holes themselves)....which is why the black hole theory exists. It's not a full explanation for black holes....but at least there's some physical evidence hinting it....unlike God



Oh God -_-
Didn't know you can touch, see, or hear a block hole, unless you are referring to evidence, there is evidence that God exist which you can find in the faith thread Hawker made.


It's funny how atheist tend to condemn Christian for having faith when they do same thing. Darwin was wrong about Race but guess what?

People took what he said for fact till it was disproven. Here you are saying that Black holes have a possibility of existing based on studies that aren't even factual
 

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Who more sick here, human that attracted to his/her same gender or otherwise? Think logically as people like you like to think Logic.

Using Logic Man and woman is the right pairing. How using Logic man and man or woman and woman can be natural piring of human species??????

Who sick in using Logic now? Me or you?

And after this we will hear man with animal or woman with animal in not distance future and with will hear the Human Right for that:bdpf:

And yes Islam want the better of human and Peace of mind from all the weird thing(LGBT) happen in this world. Thats why Islam opposed it but you support the weird thing.
I just came back this morning from the centre of Amsterdam where I had a job interview. I walked past two grown men making out. It used to sent shivers down my spine, now I'm used to it and I would defend them if any aggressive religious nut tried to oppress them. I've had lesbians as friends and some gay classmates that were kind kind individuals overall. As long as they don't try to take away the freedom of another in any way, they are harmless. Their sexuality is none of our business and as a sound mind, I respect that. It is cultural simpletons like you that are harmful to progression. It is simpletons like you that need to sit down and accept the fact that it is you that needs to learn and adapt. Not us progressive people. Class dismissed.
 

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Who more sick here, human that attracted to his/her same gender or otherwise? Think logically as people like you like to think Logic.

Using Logic Man and woman is the right pairing. How using Logic man and man or woman and woman can be natural piring of human species??????

Who sick in using Logic now? Me or you?.
You played the "nature"-card. Thank you, I waited for that as well.

So, looking at nature. Man and woman are "made" for each other. Then please log out of the internet, throw your PC, mobile phone, TV out of the window because modern technology is unnatural. Turn off the lights, as well as the entire electricity in your house and then leave it, because a house is unnatural. Get rid of your clothes because they are unnatural. Get rid of medicine and don't visit a hospital anymore, everything of that is unnatural.
You can go live in a cave. Naked.

Do you see your fault?

Humans are not bound by nature or instinct, get this into your head. -.-
It's because of people with your mindset that our race doesn't progress as fast as it could. If you were the meta-human, we would still live in caves.


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Who more sick here, human that attracted to his/her same gender or otherwise? Think logically as people like you like to think Logic.

Using Logic Man and woman is the right pairing. How using Logic man and man or woman and woman can be natural piring of human species??????

Who sick in using Logic now? Me or you?

And after this we will hear man with animal or woman with animal in not distance future and with will hear the Human Right for that:bdpf:

And yes Islam want the better of human and Peace of mind from all the weird thing(LGBT) happen in this world. Thats why Islam opposed it but you support the weird thing.
Homosexuality has existed as long as humans have existed. Sodom and Gomorrah, ancient Greece, Rome etc. It appears from time and time again in the animal kingdom also.

It harms no one. People don't choose their sexuality. Like you didn't choose to like girls at one point in your life. Basically you are just bullying people for not accepting them as who they are.
 

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Didn't know you can touch, see, or hear a block hole, unless you are referring to evidence, there is evidence that God exist which you can find in the faith thread Hawker made.


It's funny how atheist tend to condemn Christian for having faith when they do same thing. Darwin was wrong about Race but guess what?

People took what he said for fact till it was disproven. Here you are saying that Black holes have a possibility of existing based on studies that aren't even factual
Dude, just google "evidence for black holes" and you'll find reports of scientists/Astronomers with physical findings hinting more proof of Black holes. Of course, they don't have full proof of Black holes....but that's more proof than stories written in religious texts of a deity performing countless miraculous events.

Plus, if it's not actually black holes from the evidence that scientists continue to gather, they'll use the evidence to create a new, better theory to explain the after-events of a supernova. That's how science works.
 
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Dude, just google "evidence for black holes" and you'll find reports of scientists/Astronomers with physical findings hinting more proof of Black holes. Of course, they don't have full proof of Black holes....but that's more proof than stories written in religious texts of a deity performing countless miraculous events.

Plus, if it's not actually black holes from the evidence that scientists continue to gather, they'll use the evidence to create a new, better theory to explain the after-events of a supernova. That's how science works.
Proof is not the same as evidence. I already know where this is going. If what was founded was proof, then they would be considered a fact which it's not. Again, even though it has not been proven to be true it is accepted by the scientific community to be true (just like Darwins supposed fact on race until he was proven wrong)
 

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Dawkins video
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First of all, Richard Dawkins isn't an 'expert' on anything - he's just a popular media figure who's achieved popular fame for attacking religion, and who happens to have a few biology degrees. Taking Dawkins to represent the current state of knowledge in evolutionary biology is akin to comparing your high-school math teacher to someone like Terence Tao - and trust me, Terence Tao had mastered more math by the age of 10 than your average math teacher will in an entire life-time.

But putting that aside, I have some very bad news for you creationists - creationism will very soon (within the next 15 years at maximum is my guess) be less tenable than the flat-earth conspiracy. Let me show you why:


I don't know in what year that interview happened in but if you take a look at that graph, what it shows you is that the cost to sequence the entire genome of an individual human being went from around 100 million dollars to less than 1000 dollars today. Sequencing other animals has also dropped unimaginably in price.

Not only that but CRISPR-Cas9 -for all you people who keep up with science news, you should recognize this as the new genetic engineering technology that has, for example, made conducting genetic engineering projects that used to take years now possible within a couple of days. CRISPR was invented in 2012: in the year your video was posted, in 2011, the average genetic engineering project that took around 2 years to complete can now be done in about 4 days thanks to CRISPR.

These two factors together have already within the past 3 years caused the field of genetics to literally explode.
Contrary to what you creationists might have thought, we actually knew very little about functional genomics (the field that studies these questions: what genes encodes for this or that trait?) - unfortunately for you guys, those two factors are going to change that fact very, very soon. In fact, it already has.

We have probably discovered more about functional human genetics in the past few years than we did in the 100 years from the year 1900-2000. Sadly for you though, not only is it the case that everything we have discovered about genetics, including human genetics, supports evolution but strong creationism - God created Adam and Eve with magic who then magically went on to produce the various human populations - has already been falsified.

Let me now show you why it has been falsified. Consider the native people of Tibet - for those of you who don't know, these are the native peoples of the Chinese province of Tibet. Tibetans are a very interesting group of human beings because for thousands of years they have lived in an environment quite different from that of most other human beings: you see, Tibetans essentially live very high up in the mountains - at very high altitudes, where there is significantly less oxygen in the air than down on earth where most other human beings live.

It turns out that their very unique environment caused probably the fastest rate of human evolution that we know of so far for modern humans because already, they have evolved significant biological adaptations to their environment (in about 3000 years it seems). Here is the paper:


Now let me finally give you some genes: Tibetans have a mutated allele for the so called EPAS-1 gene which encodes for HIF-2α - this a special protein that is involved in how your body cells respond to decreases in oxygen availability (hypoxia). So what does this gene do? Well I don't want to fry your brain with too much biology so Ill try to make it entertaining:

You see there are other people who have lived and live in high-altitudes - a few such South American peoples (e.g.Aymara and Quechua people) have also been studied - and what we find with all those other groups is that their bodies, on average, tends to produce much more red-blood cells than is found in say people like you or me - they need those extra red-blood cells to essentially make the most of the little oxygen they can get from the air at that altitude. The problem is that if your body produces too much red-blood cells, it makes your blood viscous - which will certainly predispose you to all sorts of circulatory system problems and diseases. But note that no "new information" was added to these peoples DNA - they simply make a lot more red blood cells. The Tibetan mutant gene, it appears, has made it possible to more efficiently absorb and transport oxygen in your body without the need for all those extra red blood cells that tend to give you heart problems.

Now this is a very common pattern in evolution: in the short-run, evolution - being a blind process - will equip organisms with a double-edged sword adaptation, usually via selection alone, i.e. there will be some benefits to help you deal with your environment but also some costs. Another example of this is the well known sick-cell trait peculiar to Africans - I won't go in to detail on this because any high-school biology textbook will talk about this.

But in the long-run, evolution will tend to give organisms trait (new traits!) that confer smaller and smaller costs for the benefit they give. These new traits, are of course, mutations - which is why they take a while to show up. And yes, these new traits do add "information" to the genome.

So here is our story: sub-groups of the human organism (specifically the Aymara, Quechua and the Tibetan people) have been adapting to low oxygen environments up in the mountains for some time now. In two of those sub-groups, the Aymara and Quechua people, new-comers in the high-altitude environment, evolution has only acted on through selection alone, i.e. made their blood more dense with red-blood cells. But in one special group - the Tibetan people - who have lived up in the mountains for far longer than the other groups, evolution has blessed with something far more efficient: a mutation in EPAS-1 gene which encodes for proteins involved in oxygen diffusion at the cellular level.
 

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Proof is not the same as evidence. I already know where this is going. If what was founded was proof, then they would be considered a fact which it's not. Again, even though it has not been proven to be true it is accepted by the scientific community to be true (just like Darwins supposed fact on race until he was proven wrong)
Scientific evidence is still better than your so called circumstancial evidence which means "oh universe exists, I'll just use it as an excuse to believe that Flying Spaghetti Monster created universe"
 

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Cannabalism and incest are harmful to the one being eaten and the offspring having to live life with handicaps.
How is homosexuality harmful again to parties not involved?
The harmful effects can be avoided for incest

Neanderthals were cannibals and it was natural at one point
 

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The harmful effects can be avoided for incest

Neanderthals were cannibals and it was natural at one point
And I say go for it if a brother and sister want to get jiggy with it. It's just odd. As for religious tards they actually want to force their views upon LGBT-people and visibly show their dissent. Different story.

How can cannibalism go from natural to unnatural again?
 

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I just came back this morning from the centre of Amsterdam where I had a job interview. I walked past two grown men making out. It used to sent shivers down my spine, now I'm used to it and I would defend them if any aggressive religious nut tried to oppress them. I've had lesbians as friends and some gay classmates that were kind kind individuals overall. As long as they don't try to take away the freedom of another in any way, they are harmless. Their sexuality is none of our business and as a sound mind, I respect that. It is cultural simpletons like you that are harmful to progression. It is simpletons like you that need to sit down and accept the fact that it is you that needs to learn and adapt. Not us progressive people. Class dismissed.
I never had any problem with them tho. Im natural to everything although my religion opposed it(LGBT) bcus it not harmless to me. Whether I protect them or not is my own business. But in Islam what best to do also not harm them but guided them. Its simple as that. Thats what you must understand about Islam. Never in Quran it said you must not giving a right for homo as human but just dont go to the wrong way.

The Quran

The Quran contains seven references to fate of "the people of Lut", and their destruction by Allah is associated explicitly with their sexual practices:[17][18][19]

"And (We sent) Lot when he said to his people: What! do you commit an indecency which any one in the world has not done before you? Most surely you come to males in lust besides females; nay you are an extravagant people. And the answer of his people was no other than that they said: Turn them out of your town, surely they are a people who seek to purify (themselves). So We delivered him and his followers, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind. And We rained upon them a rain; consider then what was the end of the guilty."[7:80–84 (Translated by Shakir)]

This happen long time ago.

The sins of the people of Lut became proverbial, and the Arabic words for homosexual behaviour (liwāṭ) and for a person who performs such acts (lūṭi) both derive from his name.[20] The story of Lut is used to demonstrate how homosexuality is based in non-consent between the men. However, some scholars of Islam argue that the foundation of homosexual discourse in Islam cannot be rooted in consent because there are many more instances in the Quran in which there is no consent between partners. With this, sexual acts between men and youth are not considered transgressive.

Only one passage in the Qur'an prescribes a strictly legal position. It is not restricted to homosexual behaviour, however, and deals more generally with public practice of adultery:[21]

"And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them. And as for the two who are guilty of indecency from among you, give them both a punishment; then if they repent and amend, turn aside from them; surely Allah is oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.


Nothing said in the translation of Quran that Muslim must not giving LGBT a human right.

You played the "nature"-card. Thank you, I waited for that as well.

So, looking at nature. Man and woman are "made" for each other. Then please log out of the internet, throw your PC, mobile phone, TV out of the window because modern technology is unnatural. Turn off the lights, as well as the entire electricity in your house and then leave it, because a house is unnatural. Get rid of your clothes because they are unnatural. Get rid of medicine and don't visit a hospital anymore, everything of that is unnatural.
You can go live in a cave. Naked.

Do you see your fault?

Humans are not bound by nature or instinct, get this into your head. -.-
It's because of people with your mindset that our race doesn't progress as fast as it could. If you were the meta-human, we would still live in caves.


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Point you brought all that? The natural here is human/nature of living thing and not natural/organic or non-organic thing.

Progress my ass? What progress you're looking for. You said progress, what kind of progress? Create space colony?, reduce a pollution? what?.

The fact is Non-muslim control the world right now, what progress they bring to human right now? War in Iraq or Afgan, Debt, Violation of human right, Greed for money. This thing has stop human progression. There are more people in this world that can make a progress including you and Yow Yan etc. Ignore the ISIS as they just a small group of problematic human. What?, you wait for Muslim people to catch up with you before you can make a further progress?

No one halt you from progressing/making a progress Yow Yan or KonanX. No one.
 
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And I say go for it if a brother and sister want to get jiggy with it. It's just odd. As for religious tards they actually want to force their views upon LGBT-people and visibly show their dissent. Different story.

How can cannibalism go from natural to unnatural again?
Seems you have an admirer

That's based on how you feel. Glad morality seems subjective.

I don't know that's for science to answer. But at one time it's been stated scientifically hat Neanderthals were cannibals and at that time it was deemed natural. I'm not the one that nature dictates what's seem natural and unnatural just exposing a flawed thought
 
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