very WEAK theory about the lack of sasuke's shinra tensei usage.

[Styles]

Rinn abilities come fully unlocked

If it did then why did Sasuke not use any Rinnegan jutsu besides amenojikara once he unlocked it? Why would he say he finally got used to his Rinnegan and it's abilities after the war was over?

 

[Honord Sage]

Sasuke only has one Rinnegan,Obito only had one Rinnegan. Madara stated off with one Rinnegan in the war. Only one person had both Rinnegan and used Shinra Tensei and His name was Nagato Uzumaki.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Sasuke only has one Rinnegan,Obito only had one Rinnegan. Madara stated off with one Rinnegan in the war. Only one person had both Rinnegan and used Shinra Tensei and His name was Nagato Uzumaki.

What I find interesting about this Rinnegan rule that we've all came up with doesn't make sense at some aspects.
So Edo Madara who has two eyes couldn't use limbo hengoku and was only able to pull meteors while aborbing.
Madara with no eyes was able to absorb. When he was alive he can use limbo hengoku, absorb, and use Gedo mazou with one eye. After getting both eyes the only thing that changed was that he used an additional move chibakui tensei.

I think the only one that can use nagato's rinnegan abilities is nagato pain.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

If it did then why did Sasuke not use any Rinnegan jutsu besides amenojikara once he unlocked it? Why would he say he finally got used to his Rinnegan and it's abilities after the war was over?

Because he didn't have to

 

[Styles]

Because he didn't have to

:| Okay.

 

[Honord Sage]

What I find interesting about this Rinnegan rule that we've all came up with doesn't make sense at some aspects.
So Edo Madara who has two eyes couldn't use limbo hengoku and was only able to pull meteors while aborbing.
Madara with no eyes was able to absorb. When he was alive he can use limbo hengoku, absorb, and use Gedo mazou with one eye. After getting both eyes the only thing that changed was that he used an additional move chibakui tensei.

I think the only one that can use nagato's rinnegan abilities is nagato pain.

Well the Rinnegan power would be tailored to a degree on the individual closeness to the genetic similarities of Hagoromo. Remember Uchiha DNA has to be combine with Senju DNA to get the Rinnegan but Uzumaki DNA alone makes it work to its full potential.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Well the Rinnegan power would be tailored to a degree on the individual closeness to the genetic similarities of Hagoromo. Remember Uchiha DNA has to be combine with Senju DNA to get the Rinnegan but Uzumaki DNA alone makes it work to its full potential.

I never read that uzamaki dna made it reach full potential. But I do know that Indra+Ashura's chakra in the uchiha/senju dna gives you the rinnegan. Maybe being uzamaki gives you a different results of techniques?

 

[The Necromancer]

Suuuurrre,preta path can't absorb katon :lol

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Are.... are you actually debating against the manga fact that Sasuke has preta path...?

 

[chaos control]

What was that again? maybe you should quit watching the terrible anime errors and stick to manga only. he needs mangekyou sharingan to use sharingan abilities, the reason he used susanoo is because once you first awaken it, you no longer require the eyes to use it. either that or his hashirama tat enabled it for him. either way, he needed to capture ay in genjutsu with his sharingan not rinnegan.

tomoe rinnegan = regular 2 rinnegan's.

all tomoe rinnegan does is allow you to do differently is use sharingan jutsus. that's it

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He still used susanoo alot while having rinnegan active , and you actually just agreed with me when you just said tomoe rinnegan = regular 2 rinnegan. I already said tomoe rinnegan >= 2 normal rinnegan eyes . You are aware that the symbol >= means greater than or equal to correct? The whole premise that I am fighting is people's belief that Sasuke only got a "half powerup " so to speak and the belief that Sasuke needs another rinnegan eye to use the full power of the rinnegan properly.

Also canon material disagrees with your statement that all tomoe rinnegan does is give you access to your MS abilities. Sasuke gained 2 new space time jutsus (amenotejikara and dimensional portals) and he gained new genjutsu prowess that was able to instantly subjugate all 9 beasts (note that EMS Sasuke did not have this prowess with genjutsu and in fact he didn't even have a genjutsu based mangekyou technique. He lacked Tsukuyomi.) It is clear that
Sasuke's rinnegan genjutsu prowess wasn't at all just the result of having access to MS abilities since that genjutsu was stronger than any genjutsu EMS Sasuke ever did. Furthermore the fact that Sasuke' s tomoe rinnegan gave him multiple space time techniques whereas Madara' s only gave him limbo as his own unique technique proves that tomoe rinnegan does have some differences from regular dual rinnegan outside of just accessing MS techniques.
Finally, what sense would it make for Hagoromo or Kishi himself to give Sasuke half of the power of the rinnegan?

 

[LoZelda101]

He still used susanoo alot while having rinnegan active , and you actually just agreed with me when you just said tomoe rinnegan = regular 2 rinnegan. I already said tomoe rinnegan >= 2 normal rinnegan eyes . You are aware that the symbol >= means greater than or equal to correct? The whole premise that I am fighting is people's belief that Sasuke only got a "half powerup " so to speak and the belief that Sasuke needs another rinnegan eye to use the full power of the rinnegan properly.

Also canon material disagrees with your statement that all tomoe rinnegan does is give you access to your MS abilities. Sasuke gained 2 new space time jutsus (amenotejikara and dimensional portals) and he gained new genjutsu prowess that was able to instantly subjugate all 9 beasts (note that EMS Sasuke did not have this prowess with genjutsu and in fact he didn't even have a genjutsu based mangekyou technique. He lacked Tsukuyomi.) It is clear that
Sasuke's rinnegan genjutsu prowess wasn't at all just the result of having access to MS abilities since that genjutsu was stronger than any genjutsu EMS Sasuke ever did. Furthermore the fact that Sasuke' s tomoe rinnegan gave him multiple space time techniques whereas Madara' s only gave him limbo as his own unique technique proves that tomoe rinnegan does have some differences from regular dual rinnegan outside of just accessing MS techniques.
Finally, what sense would it make for Hagoromo or Kishi himself to give Sasuke half of the power of the rinnegan?

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. your susanoo theory has already been debunked. you don't need sharingan to reactivate susanoo. quit wasting my fcuking time.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Many people overlook the fact Sasuke was weakened from teleporting multiple people into another dimension. This was even emphasized in Gaiden that it weakens his eye powers. Sasuke was nerfed throughout the movie.

sasuke's rinnegan was at full power in the ice dimension

 

[SatanicGod]

Not taking any cc2 game or anime nonsense into the equation, just the manga itself. it was stated that when two of the same dojutsus are put together that it you can use it's full potential or something like that. however for some reason when obito and sasuke had their one-rinnegan eye, they barely used any jutsus. now granted madara barely used it as well but that's more to do with madara having better jutsus, toying with the gokages and just for the sheer op factor that madara is beast without depending on it. anyways, when sasuke used his rinnegan, he used the chakra absorbing ability but no shinra tensei, so i can assume that he needs the left eye in order to use the gravity stuff.

so i went back into looking in chapters and i noticed certain frames of nagato and madara's eyes being zoomed in the precise moment they used their jutsus. in nagato's (6pains) just about most of them that weren't focused on both eyes, all zoomed into his right eye when he used shinra tensei, and when madara used his chakra absorb, it was in his left eye (like sasuke's). This is a very weak theory that is most likely just coincidence or kishi is actually skilled at foreshadowing. regardless the case, i'm making it just cause someone else smarter might be able to make more out of it.

just bothers me how dangerous the momoshiki were in the movie and shin in the gaiden arc but sasuke didn't even try to shinra tensei or something. you'd think he would at least once. it's not like momo can absorb gravity force

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Stopped reading when you said "the manga said that when 2 of the same dojutsu are paired together"
The manga actually said when two of the original eyes are paired together.

 

[SatanicGod]

Rinn abilities come fully unlocked

Sasuke clearly said he had to get used to his eyes in order to perform CT. He spent the entire Kaguya fight getting used to the eyes. And note: everything Sasuke had used with his Rinnegan (Bar Amenotejikara), he saw used already, so it stands to reason that he was learning as he went.

 

[SatanicGod]

What I find interesting about this Rinnegan rule that we've all came up with doesn't make sense at some aspects.
So Edo Madara who has two eyes couldn't use limbo hengoku and was only able to pull meteors while aborbing.
Madara with no eyes was able to absorb. When he was alive he can use limbo hengoku, absorb, and use Gedo mazou with one eye. After getting both eyes the only thing that changed was that he used an additional move chibakui tensei.

I think the only one that can use nagato's rinnegan abilities is nagato pain.

Edo Madara's Rinnegan are fake copies, so it stands to reason that the ability of them is lowered (hence no Limbo).
Madara with no eyes was alive, so he could use his techniques to their fullest, just had no eyes si he couldn't really see.
When he got both eyes he literally had no chance to use other moves because he was in a rush to perform IT and World of Trees

 

[SatanicGod]

Well the Rinnegan power would be tailored to a degree on the individual closeness to the genetic similarities of Hagoromo. Remember Uchiha DNA has to be combine with Senju DNA to get the Rinnegan but Uzumaki DNA alone makes it work to its full potential.

It's actually Indra transmigrant chakra + Ashura transmigrant chakra that equals Rinnegan

 

[chaos control]

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. your susanoo theory has already been debunked. you don't need sharingan to reactivate susanoo. quit wasting my fcuking time.

You obviously can't read properly or interpret the manga. Sasuke's 2 unique space time jutsus and advanced genjutsu prowess clearly demonstrate that tomoe rinnegan has some differences in power/ability than a normal one.

Also, this debate could have been civil, but everyone these days has to debate with rage and insults. smh

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Edo Madara's Rinnegan are fake copies, so it stands to reason that the ability of them is lowered (hence no Limbo).
Madara with no eyes was alive, so he could use his techniques to their fullest, just had no eyes si he couldn't really see.
When he got both eyes he literally had no chance to use other moves because he was in a rush to perform IT and World of Trees

So what's the limitations on this fake rinnegan copy thing?

 

[Honord Sage]

I never read that uzamaki dna made it reach full potential. But I do know that Indra+Ashura's chakra in the uchiha/senju dna gives you the rinnegan. Maybe being uzamaki gives you a different results of techniques?

Fact the Manga establish that an Uchiha needs Senju DNA for the Rinnegan and Madara gave Himself Senju DNA and gave Obito Senju DNA and Kabuto gave Sasuke Senju DNA. But no Uchiha/Senju DNA was given to Nagato just a simple eye transplant. It tells you Uzumaki DNA is closer to Hagoromo DNA probably because Uzumaki came from an island an enclose genetic system less expose to outside DNA.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Fact the Manga establish that an Uchiha needs Senju DNA for the Rinnegan and Madara gave Himself Senju DNA and gave Obito Senju DNA and Kabuto gave Sasuke Senju DNA. But no Uchiha/Senju DNA was given to Nagato just a simple eye transplant. It tells you Uzumaki DNA is closer to Hagoromo DNA probably because Uzumaki came from an island an enclose genetic system less expose to outside DNA.

Tobi didn't awaken the rinnegan even though he gained senju dna, Madara/Sasuke awakened it because they're Indra incarnates.
Tobi transplanted them.
Uzamaki being closer to Hagormoo is false and the island theory you just said was stated nowhere in the manga and they are not in an island, Orochimaru went to the uzamaki shrine near konoha.
Ashura's a Senju too.

 

[Honord Sage]

Tobi didn't awaken the rinnegan even though he gained senju dna, Madara/Sasuke awakened it because they're Indra incarnates.
Tobi transplanted them.
Uzamaki being closer to Hagormoo is false and the island theory you just said was stated nowhere in the manga and they are not in an island, Orochimaru went to the uzamaki shrine near konoha.
Ashura's a Senju too.

Wrong on Uzumaki look at Naruto no modifications whats so ever,He just walks into the Part of New Sage as it was a normal second skin. Why? Uzumaki DNA is closer to Hagoromo. All Naruto received at birth was a seal and Kurama. Madara and Obito could not take the Juubi power because their DNA pure Uchiha DNA was not enough without Senju DNA and the same Senju need Uchiha DNA. The Child of Prophecy had to be an Uzumaki. Jiraiya fist thought it was Nagato then Naruto the only thing they had in Common was their DNA,the DNA of the Uzumaki Clan. Fact the Manga states that only a Uzumaki can have the Fox seal in them any other Uchiha,Senju and so on dies. That is why Mito Uzumaki ask for a Uzumaki replacement Kushina Uzumaki and that is why Minato used His own son instead of Sasuke Uchiha or Sakura Haruno.