Hebi Sasuke vs. War Arc Kakashi

[BLAZE]

S2. Kamui gg

wut its resticted

 

[Magnolius]

-Kakashi being more tactical, battle intelligent, and versatile isn't going to help him win this match.

Tactic, Battle Intelligence, and Versatility are actually very important factors in determining who wins a match :sdo:

 

[TheJinx]

wut its resticted

Not in S2 though. In S1 the restriction is Kamui, but in S2 only the summons.

 

[BLAZE]

Not in S2 though. In S1 the restriction is Kamui, but in S2 only the summons.

Alongside the given restrictions before

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Kakashi's reserves in war arc are 3 much.

Kakashi kamui'd a susano arrow from MS Sasuke. Says it all, really about reaction speeds etc. Sasuke also has to worry about Oro breaking free.

Kakashi is also the superior tactician, intellect etc. If anyone is getting out manouvered/thought/tricked, it's Sasuke.

Raikiri > chidori

Curse mark fireballs can easily be dodged. Snake summons get taken over by Kakashi via MS genjutsu or instantly beheaded. Kakashi has years more xp and also has his own chidori variants. Kakashi can channel chidori through a kunai like Sasuke does with his blade.

Think that about covers everything...

Only reason Itachi fell for Sasuke's shuriken trick was because he was sick and not at full power as stated by zetsu so that won't work.

 

[KidGamer65]

Tactic, Battle Intelligence, and Versatility are actually very important factors in determining who wins a match :sdo:

When the person has the skillset and arsenal to actually make those things matter. Throwing around "lol tactic lol intelligence and lol versatility" gets your argument nowhere when Kakashi isn't strong enough to capitalize on any of these things against Sasuke.

Not in S2 though. In S1 the restriction is Kamui, but in S2 only the summons.

S2's condition says to restrict summons, not to only restrict summons and unrestrict Kamui.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

When the person has the skillset and arsenal to actually make those things matter. Throwing around "lol tactic lol intelligence and lol versatility" gets your argument nowhere when Kakashi isn't strong enough to capitalize on any of these things against Sasuke.



S2's condition says to restrict summons, not to only restrict summons and unrestrict Kamui.

"A weapon's strength or weakness is dependent on the user's ability to use it. An expert with a pebble can still beat a novice with a shuriken." - black zetsu

#Skilled&Experienced/SuperiorMindsMatter

You could also say that S2 is a different scenario and never re-restricted kamui.

 

[KidGamer65]

"A weapon's strength or weakness is dependent on the user's ability to use it. An expert with a pebble can still beat a novice with a shuriken." - black zetsu

#Skilled&Experienced/SuperiorMindsMatter

You could also say that S2 is a different scenario and never re-restricted kamui.

Excellent quote, too bad it doesn't come close to applying here for the reasons I've already listed. If all you guys can do is throw experience, tactics, and intelligence around without actually explaining how Kakashi uses those 3 elements to win then it's clear who really wins this match up.

-Kakashi being a better tactician means jack if he can't create a tactic that doesn't get him killed or lets him beat Sasuke.
-Kakashi being more intelligent doesn't matter as Sasuke is intelligent enough to not get tricked by what Kakashi has to offer.
-Not even gonna take "experience" seriously here when two 17 yr old kids ended up with the most battle prowess at the conclusion of the story.

Well at the end of the day my interpretation is the only one that matters and Kamui is still restricted for both scenarios, obviously.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Excellent quote, too bad it doesn't come close to applying here for the reasons I've already listed. If all you guys can do is throw experience, tactics, and intelligence around without actually explaining how Kakashi uses those 3 elements to win then it's clear who really wins this match up.

-Kakashi being a better tactician means jack if he can't create a tactic that doesn't get him killed or lets him beat Sasuke.
-Kakashi being more intelligent doesn't matter as Sasuke is intelligent enough to not get tricked by what Kakashi has to offer.
-Not even gonna take "experience" seriously here when two 17 yr old kids ended up with the most battle prowess at the conclusion of the story.

Well at the end of the day my interpretation is the only one that matters and Kamui is still restricted for both scenarios, obviously.

"You're just throwing attributes around. They don't actuallt apply."

Kakashi isn't a frickin vegetable. They have pretty similar arsenals which is why this thread came about in the first place.

If all you can do is throw around lines about Kakashi having the capability of a potato, then it's kinda pointless since it's a lie.

How does intelligence etc NOT win you the fight when your arsenals are so similar?

Kakashi can use any tactics such as lightning clones popping out of the ground.

Just because you're intelligent doesn't mean you can't get tricked by a smarter person. Then they aren't really more intelligent, are they?

Those "kids" were given Godly power-ups so that's a ridiculous argument.

Maybe be more specific next time as it's the other users interpretations that determines your feedback

 

[Marin]

Kakashi obviously.

I mean, I like Hebi Sasuke, but c'mon...

 

[KidGamer65]

"You're just throwing attributes around. They don't actuallt apply."

Kakashi isn't a frickin vegetable. They have pretty similar arsenals which is why this thread came about in the first place.

If all you can do is throw around lines about Kakashi having the capability of a potato, then it's kinda pointless since it's a lie.

How does intelligence etc NOT win you the fight when your arsenals are so similar?

Kakashi can use any tactics such as lightning clones popping out of the ground.

Just because you're intelligent doesn't mean you can't get tricked by a smarter person. Then they aren't really more intelligent, are they?

Those "kids" were given Godly power-ups so that's a ridiculous argument.

Maybe me more specific next time as it's the other users interpretations that determines your feedback

Except that's exactly what you are doing. Them having similar arsenals doesn't automatically mean that the more intelligent one wins, especially when Sasuke is easily superior to Kakashi in almost every area of combat outside of tactics and intelligent. All I told you was to give me these tactics, and instead of you give me 3 lines of irrelevant information. :lol Actually tell me how Kakashi wins or don't bother arguing.

The bold is probably the most ridiculous thing I've read today. Whether a person gets tricked or not doesn't come back to who's more intelligent. The more intelligent you are the better trap you will be able to set, but if the person you are trying to trick is intelligent enough to see through your trick the trick won't work. Just like speed. Ay moves far faster than Minato moves, but Minato can still deal with his speed despite being slower. And this "Raiton clones from the ground" nonsense is the perfect example for what I'm trying to say. Not only will Sasuke see that coming from a mile away due to him knowing perfectly well about Kakashi's little clone feints, he has experience in dealing with clones and Kakashi isn't fast enough to get him without him reacting and either evading or killing the clone.

Lol they are the strongest left behind with or without their godly power ups. The only people that surpass them are dead.

I was specific enough, if one out of a dozen wants to believe that Kamui isn't restricted in S2 even though that goes against common sense then by all means. Not my issue.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Except that's exactly what you are doing. Them having similar arsenals doesn't automatically mean that the more intelligent one wins, especially when Sasuke is easily superior to Kakashi in almost every area of combat outside of tactics and intelligent. All I told you was to give me these tactics, and instead of you give me 3 lines of irrelevant information. :lol Actually tell me how Kakashi wins or don't bother arguing.

The bold is probably the most ridiculous thing I've read today. Whether a person gets tricked or not doesn't come back to who's more intelligent. The more intelligent you are the better trap you will be able to set, but if the person you are trying to trick is intelligent enough to see through your trick the trick won't work. Just like speed. Ay moves far faster than Minato moves, but Minato can still deal with his speed despite being slower. And this "Raiton clones from the ground" nonsense is the perfect example for what I'm trying to say. Not only will Sasuke see that coming from a mile away due to him knowing perfectly well about Kakashi's little clone feints, he has experience in dealing with clones and Kakashi isn't fast enough to get him without him reacting and either evading or killing the clone.

Lol they are the strongest left behind with or without their godly power ups. The only people that surpass them are dead.

I was specific enough, if one out of a dozen wants to believe that Kamui isn't restricted in S2 even though that goes against common sense then by all means. Not my issue.

I can't believe we're having this discussion.

"Being smarter than a person doesn't mean you can outsmart them" - KidGamer 2016

"Tell me how being smarter than someone means you can outsmart them." Is literally what you're saying. The answer varies and is any trick in the book Kakashi has utilized/can potentially utilise with his entire arsenal. That's like asking how can Sasuke kill Sakura.

@Bold: that's your downfall. Kakashi is smarter, yes? There is a gap between the intelligence of the two individuals in question. This means there is a margin in which Kakashi can think further and better ahead to the point Sasuke won't keep up. It could be a 15 stage trap that Kakashi is fully capable of organizing whereas Sasuke may only get to the 14th and fall at the last hurdle. There is no limit on how many stages you can have or how complex a trap can be. It doesn't stop at say Kibas limit. The lvl of the trap is only limited by the one making it and Kakashi being more intelligent is superior and can therefore go farther than Sasuke with it. Even Hago complimented Kakashi for it.

How do you explain Obito getting caught off guard then with a clone? This clone can be stage 15 or w/e in Kakashi's plan and it'll obviously be triggered in such a time/fashion where Sasuke won't have TIME to consider the possibility of a clone or not. You can't just say it won't happen because Sasuke can potentially counter it if it just randomly happened. It's not much of a trap then, is it?

Lol people died for plot. Big whoop. Your point is that exp doesn't factor in when that is clearly bs. Naruto & Sasuke would've been whooped repeatedly since Haku due to a lack of exp if it wasn't for their handouts/luck so don't gimme that bs.

"One out of a dozen" "goes against common sense" top kek common sense is believing untyped rules are typed rules. Mmk.

Pardon my typos, I'm on a phone.

 

[BLAZE]

^^^So all of us can agree Itachi solos Kaguya by outsmarting her :lol
i mean this guy does not like char A and start start spamming BS fanfics to make him lose like back in 2015 when his horse shit about Hinata defeating Neji failed started spamming hinata does it via Hyuga clan juinjutsu despite failing to provide proof she knows it :lol

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

^^^So all of us can agree Itachi solos Kaguya by outsmarting her :lol
i mean this guy does not like char A and start start spamming BS fanfics to make him lose like back in 2015 when his horse shit about Hinata defeating Neji failed started spamming hinata does it via Hyuga clan juinjutsu despite failing to provide proof she knows it :lol

Kaguya is essentially a God that can dimension hop, derp. Ofc THAT much power can make up for a lack of a brain.

Unless you're saying Itachi and Kaguya have a similar arsenal like Sasuke & Kakashi. Wouldn't surprise me after that post. Christ.

Lmfao. The butthurt lingered for a year.

Hinata instantlu solos Neji via branch member seal. Deal with it. She was the heiress to the clan and she seen her father use it on her uncle. Not to mention it's only 1 habd seal XD

 

[KidGamer65]

I can't believe we're having this discussion.

"Being smarter than a person doesn't mean you can outsmart them" - KidGamer 2016

"Tell me how being smarter than someone means you can outsmart them." Is literally what you're saying. The answer varies and is any trick in the book Kakashi has utilized/can potentially utilise with his entire arsenal. That's like asking how can Sasuke kill Sakura.

@Bold: that's your downfall. Kakashi is smarter, yes? There is a gap between the intelligence of the two individuals in question. This means there is a margin in which Kakashi can think further and better ahead to the point Sasuke won't keep up. It could be a 15 stage trap that Kakashi is fully capable of organizing whereas Sasuke may only get to the 14th and fall at the last hurdle. There is no limit on how many stages you can have or how complex a trap can be. It doesn't stop at say Kibas limit. The lvl of the trap is only limited by the one making it and Kakashi being more intelligent is superior and can therefore go farther than Sasuke with it. Even Hago complimented Kakashi for it.

How do you explain Obito getting caught off guard then with a clone? This clone can be stage 15 or w/e in Kakashi's plan and it'll obviously be triggered in such a time/fashion where Sasuke won't have TIME to consider the possibility of a clone or not. You can't just say it won't happen because Sasuke can potentially counter it if it just randomly happened. It's not much of a trap then, is it?

Lol people died for plot. Big whoop. Your point is that exp doesn't factor in when that is clearly bs. Naruto & Sasuke would've been whooped repeatedly since Haku due to a lack of exp if it wasn't for their handouts/luck so don't gimme that bs.

"One out of a dozen" "goes against common sense" top kek common sense is believing untyped rules are typed rules. Mmk.

Pardon my typos, I'm on a phone.

Lol lets not turn this thread into a cesspool for garbage argumentation. Kakashi being smarter doesnt mean he has the tools necessary to actually catch Sasuke with a trap that is good enough to fool him. Shitty shitty logic that isnt going to fly here, so we can cut the BS. Your 15 stage trap example is trash for that simple reason. Your argument is simply 'lol kakashi smurter so he def winz....somehow!!". The fact you are yet to inform me of this magic trap only tells me that you are bullshitting. Do us both a favor and stop posting here. Hagoromos compliment means little because thr intellect you are wanking so much wouldve been useless if Kakashi didnt have the strength, the tools, to create a plan that defeats Kaguya.

Obito got caught off guard by a clone after it had been warped away at a time thatd make it look like Obito murked the clone. Terrible example as Kamui is not allowed. "Itll be triggered in a fashion that leaves Sasuke no time to react" isnt an argument. Its you saying what you think will happen without actually proving that it will work. Its you saying " lol its a trap so it automatically works despite Sasuke being superior to him in every physical aspect and expecting his little clone tricks." Not sure if i should take you seriously

More shit logic? Exp isnt why Haku raped them. Haku was too strong for them. Nothing more. And no, common sense is looking at the restrictions and realizing that Kamui was never unrestricted. Are you daft enough to argue that the location, intel and distance is different because i didnt write it a second time? Lmao. Use your brain buddy. Itll help.

 

[Magnolius]

When the person has the skillset and arsenal to actually make those things matter. Throwing around "lol tactic lol intelligence and lol versatility" gets your argument nowhere when Kakashi isn't strong enough to capitalize on any of these things against Sasuke.

You don't need to be strong to win a match. Strength doesn't always, "necessarily" determine who wins in a match. Given his arsenal, cunning skill-set, and superior experience/intellect, he could easily out maneuver and defeat Sasuke.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Lol lets not turn this thread into a cesspool for garbage argumentation. Kakashi being smarter doesnt mean he has the tools necessary to actually catch Sasuke with a trap that is good enough to fool him. Shitty shitty logic that isnt going to fly here, so we can cut the BS. Your 15 stage trap example is trash for that simple reason. Your argument is simply 'lol kakashi smurter so he def winz....somehow!!". The fact you are yet to inform me of this magic trap only tells me that you are bullshitting. Do us both a favor and stop posting here. Hagoromos compliment means little because thr intellect you are wanking so much wouldve been useless if Kakashi didnt have the strength, the tools, to create a plan that defeats Kaguya.

Obito got caught off guard by a clone after it had been warped away at a time thatd make it look like Obito murked the clone. Terrible example as Kamui is not allowed. "Itll be triggered in a fashion that leaves Sasuke no time to react" isnt an argument. Its you saying what you think will happen without actually proving that it will work. Its you saying " lol its a trap so it automatically works despite Sasuke being superior to him in every physical aspect and expecting his little clone tricks." Not sure if i should take you seriously

More shit logic? Exp isnt why Haku raped them. Haku was too strong for them. Nothing more. And no, common sense is looking at the restrictions and realizing that Kamui was never unrestricted. Are you daft enough to argue that the location, intel and distance is different because i didnt write it a second time? Lmao. Use your brain buddy. Itll help.

You're going to have to call in more of your fappers if that's all you got.

Shitty logic. Lol. I gave you examples. If you are too stupid to memorize Kakashi's arsenal or use your imagination, it's not my fault.

"Being smarter isn't being smarter"

The fact remains. Sasuke being smart doesn't make him immune to being outsmarted by smarter people.

>Says Kakashi doesn't have the strength, tools etc to compliment his intellect.
>Later goes on to say how Hago complimented him fir that very reason.

>Says I didn't give any examples of Kakashis trickery.
>Goes on to TRY and counter these examples.

Well if a trap doesn't get you off guard it isn't a successful trap then, is it? And if Kakashi can't outsmart Sasuke, he's not smarter than him, is he?

This is war arc Kakashi vs hebi Sasuke or have you forgot your own conditions. This is the Kakashi that spammed kamui like it was nobodys business.

No shit logic here. Power ups still saved them where experience could have. You can't deny the manga facts.

Common sense tells you scenario 1 & 2 are different scenarios & therefore have different rules since they are titled so :bdpf:

The intel, distance & location are the same for both scenarios, derp or else you would have said so. They aren't the variables whereas the restrictions are.

 

[BLAZE]

Kaguya is essentially a God that can dimension hop, derp. Ofc THAT much power can make up for a lack of a brain.

Now Now

Unless you're saying Itachi and Kaguya have a similar arsenal like Sasuke & Kakashi. Wouldn't surprise me after that post. Christ.

and Sasuke arsenals are enhanced by Senjutsu kakashi arsenal are not.

Lmfao. The butthurt lingered for a year.

Hinata instantlu solos Neji via branch member seal. Deal with it. She was the heiress to the clan and she seen her father use it on her uncle. Not to mention it's only 1 habd seal XD

nah it was you who got banned for trolling :lol
Yeah fanfics thats the best you can come with.i mean typical NDS troll.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Now Now

and Sasuke arsenals are enhanced by Senjutsu kakashi arsenal are not.



nah it was you who got banned for trolling :lol
Yeah fanfics thats the best you can come with.i mean typical NDS troll.

"Now now"?

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Kakashi can dodge senjutsu enhanced fireballs etc. as I've mentioned and Raikiri naturally trumps chidori as its superior S rank version I think it was.

I nevet got banned for trolling. I did however get banned for posting a gif only response, even if it did have sentences in it.

No fanfics here, this is VS section, mate. I can give you the link though if you aren't capable of finding it? Vs Section master race. Hurhurhur.

 

[BLAZE]

Kakashi can dodge senjutsu enhanced fireballs etc. as I've mentioned and Raikiri naturally trumps chidori as its superior S rank version I think it was.

Senjutsu chidori>>>>Raikiri
@bold did you even read the debate
:lol