Faith means believing something without scientific evidence or proof. Because if you believe something without that, then that justifies anything. You are no longer vulnerable to somebody coming back at you and saying: hang on a minute let me argue the case. If you believe it without scientific evidence or proof which is what faith is, then you don't argue the case. You say no, I'm not arguing the case. This is my faith, it is mine, it is private, I don't descent from it, I don't retreat from it. You are just going go have to accept that. <---- tell me which religion doesn't demand that kind of faith from it's supporters.
noun
1.
confidence or trust in a person or thing:
faith in another's ability.
2.
belief that is not based on proof:
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion:
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4.
belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.:
to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5.
a system of religious belief:
the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
1.Faith is an assertion of unreasonable conviction, which is assumed without reason, and defended against all reason.
Assumed without reason meaning most muslims and christians are born that whey. They are just products of their culture. Like Richard Dawkins says: you happened to be brought up in the Christian faith. You know what it's like to not believe in a particular faith because you're not a Muslim. You're not a Hindu. Why aren't you a Hindu? Because you happen to have been brought up in America, not in India. If you had of been brought up in India, you'd be a Hindu. If you had been brought up in Denmark in the time of the Vikings you'd be believing in Wotan and Thor. If you were brought up in classical Greece you'd be believing in, in Zeus. If you were brought up in central Africa you'd be believing in the great Juju up the mountain. There's no particular reason to pick on the Judeo-Christian god, in which by the sheerest accident you happen to have been brought up. So why so confident in your faith?
2. Faith has never answered anything of significance.
Or has it? Tell me an example if you think it has. I can tell you what science has answered. The advantage of science is that new evidence changes ideas, allowing the advancement of human knowledge, something religion does not allow.
3. Faith has caused more bad things than good:
For example when it comes to Catholic church here are some of their accomplishments:
Crusades, inquisition, the persecution of the jewish people, injustice towards women (that's half of the population righ there) and the force conversion of indigenious people, especially in South-America, African slave trade. They've institutionalized the raping of children.
Then there's the case of Islam: terrorism, sharia law, genitale mutilation (90% of Egyptian women have had their genitals mutilated), stoning of homosexuals and unfaithful wifes, oppression of women.
Now compare those with the achievements of science. Lightbulp. Electricity. Vaccines. Phone. Computers. Medication. Organ transplants. Prosthate legs. Condoms.
4. Faith as in religion instills warped morality into people. Their morales come from the book or the teachings of their religion. Thus they don't do things based on rationalisation, but based on the fear of god. They fear they go to hell or heaven. That is inherently warped.
For example the holy books of christianity have examples of this warped morality: Old Testament instructs believers to kill any friend or family member who favours serving other gods, and Numbers 31 where Moses, angered at the mercy his victorious forces show in taking women and children captive, instructs them to kill all save virgin girls, who are to be taken as slaves.
New testament: St Paul's nasty sadomasochistic doctrine that Jesus had to be hideously tortured and killed so that we might be redeemed – the doctrine of atonement for original sin – and asks "if God wanted to forgive our sins, why not just forgive them? Who is God trying to impress?" He says that modern science demonstrates that the alleged perpetrators Adam and Eve never even existed, undermining St Paul's doctrine."
5. Faith is the process of non-thinking which is not a way of understanding the world, but instead stands in fundamental opposition to modern science and the scientific method, and is divisive and dangerous. cience involves a process of constantly testing and revising theories in the light of new evidence, while faith makes a virtue out of believing unprovable and often improbable propositions. For an example of faith, the infallible doctrine of the Assumption, which Pope Pius XII declared in 1950 by relying upon tradition. When contrasted this with science, which works as a system whereby working assumptions may be falsified by recourse to reason and evidence.
Examples from most familiar scriptures from western society:
-John 20:29 “how blessed are they who have not seen but yet believe.”
-Romans 14:22 “The faith which you have, have as your own conviction-”
-2 Corinthians 4:18 “We look not at things seen, but at things not seen.”
-2 Corinthians 5:7 “for we walk by faith, not by sight.”
-Hebrews 11:1 “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.”
-Romans 1:20 “the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood from the things that are made.”
6. Faith at it's core is surrendering. It is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated
7. Faith is literally a matter of make-believe, convincing yourself of whatever you want to believe. That’s why the faithful have a practice to ‘reaffirm’ their faith. Faith is neither virtuous nor moral; it’s a matter of self-deception and manipulation of the masses. It is already dishonest to assert as fact that which is not evidently true, but that’s what all religions do. Worse, they also post a statement of faith wherein they admit, (as if this were something to be proud of) that they will automatically and thoughtlessly reject any and all evidence that seems to challenge their preconceived notions, which must be defended a-priori. Because of this, faith is fundamentally fallacious and inherently dishonest. An example of this is homosexual marriages. It's a well known fact that all muslims think of it as a sin. They won't allow it. Many christians won't allow gay marriages because it's not "how god intended it".
Homosexual marriages have been over and over again rationally argued to something that gays should have the right to have. There's no logical way to deny it. Gay parents have been proven to be as safe and good if not even better than heterosexual parents. Even the National psychiatric organisation in US agrees with this. Same with the National Psychologist Association in Finland. It's the consensus all over the world. Yet Christians object it due to their faith. Not to talk about muslims who are even further behind in progress.
8. Faith has always only ever served to impede, retard, or reverse progress in whatever socio-political medical, educational, economic or environmental application it has ever touched.
9.If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can’t be taken on its own merits.
10. Religion demands faith when it proposes impossible and irrational thoughs as real. For example Christian creed:
To live unto the Law, is to die unto God. To die unto the Law, is to live unto God. These two propositions go against reason.When we pay attention to reason, God seems to propose impossible matters in the Christian Creed. To reason it seems absurd that Christ should offer His body and blood in the Lord’s Supper; that Baptism should be the washing of regeneration; that the dead shall rise; that Christ the Son of God was conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary, etc. Reason shouts that all this is preposterous.
“That is unreasonable, and it’s unscientific.
That is the definition of blind faith;
I believe something even though
there is no evidence to support it.”
-creationist, Kirk Cameron
of Living Waters Ministries
Who here thinks that faith is the source for good?
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noun
1.
confidence or trust in a person or thing:
faith in another's ability.
2.
belief that is not based on proof:
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion:
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4.
belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.:
to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5.
a system of religious belief:
the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
1.Faith is an assertion of unreasonable conviction, which is assumed without reason, and defended against all reason.
Assumed without reason meaning most muslims and christians are born that whey. They are just products of their culture. Like Richard Dawkins says: you happened to be brought up in the Christian faith. You know what it's like to not believe in a particular faith because you're not a Muslim. You're not a Hindu. Why aren't you a Hindu? Because you happen to have been brought up in America, not in India. If you had of been brought up in India, you'd be a Hindu. If you had been brought up in Denmark in the time of the Vikings you'd be believing in Wotan and Thor. If you were brought up in classical Greece you'd be believing in, in Zeus. If you were brought up in central Africa you'd be believing in the great Juju up the mountain. There's no particular reason to pick on the Judeo-Christian god, in which by the sheerest accident you happen to have been brought up. So why so confident in your faith?
2. Faith has never answered anything of significance.
Or has it? Tell me an example if you think it has. I can tell you what science has answered. The advantage of science is that new evidence changes ideas, allowing the advancement of human knowledge, something religion does not allow.
3. Faith has caused more bad things than good:
For example when it comes to Catholic church here are some of their accomplishments:
Crusades, inquisition, the persecution of the jewish people, injustice towards women (that's half of the population righ there) and the force conversion of indigenious people, especially in South-America, African slave trade. They've institutionalized the raping of children.
Then there's the case of Islam: terrorism, sharia law, genitale mutilation (90% of Egyptian women have had their genitals mutilated), stoning of homosexuals and unfaithful wifes, oppression of women.
Now compare those with the achievements of science. Lightbulp. Electricity. Vaccines. Phone. Computers. Medication. Organ transplants. Prosthate legs. Condoms.
4. Faith as in religion instills warped morality into people. Their morales come from the book or the teachings of their religion. Thus they don't do things based on rationalisation, but based on the fear of god. They fear they go to hell or heaven. That is inherently warped.
For example the holy books of christianity have examples of this warped morality: Old Testament instructs believers to kill any friend or family member who favours serving other gods, and Numbers 31 where Moses, angered at the mercy his victorious forces show in taking women and children captive, instructs them to kill all save virgin girls, who are to be taken as slaves.
New testament: St Paul's nasty sadomasochistic doctrine that Jesus had to be hideously tortured and killed so that we might be redeemed – the doctrine of atonement for original sin – and asks "if God wanted to forgive our sins, why not just forgive them? Who is God trying to impress?" He says that modern science demonstrates that the alleged perpetrators Adam and Eve never even existed, undermining St Paul's doctrine."
5. Faith is the process of non-thinking which is not a way of understanding the world, but instead stands in fundamental opposition to modern science and the scientific method, and is divisive and dangerous. cience involves a process of constantly testing and revising theories in the light of new evidence, while faith makes a virtue out of believing unprovable and often improbable propositions. For an example of faith, the infallible doctrine of the Assumption, which Pope Pius XII declared in 1950 by relying upon tradition. When contrasted this with science, which works as a system whereby working assumptions may be falsified by recourse to reason and evidence.
Examples from most familiar scriptures from western society:
-John 20:29 “how blessed are they who have not seen but yet believe.”
-Romans 14:22 “The faith which you have, have as your own conviction-”
-2 Corinthians 4:18 “We look not at things seen, but at things not seen.”
-2 Corinthians 5:7 “for we walk by faith, not by sight.”
-Hebrews 11:1 “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.”
-Romans 1:20 “the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood from the things that are made.”
6. Faith at it's core is surrendering. It is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated
7. Faith is literally a matter of make-believe, convincing yourself of whatever you want to believe. That’s why the faithful have a practice to ‘reaffirm’ their faith. Faith is neither virtuous nor moral; it’s a matter of self-deception and manipulation of the masses. It is already dishonest to assert as fact that which is not evidently true, but that’s what all religions do. Worse, they also post a statement of faith wherein they admit, (as if this were something to be proud of) that they will automatically and thoughtlessly reject any and all evidence that seems to challenge their preconceived notions, which must be defended a-priori. Because of this, faith is fundamentally fallacious and inherently dishonest. An example of this is homosexual marriages. It's a well known fact that all muslims think of it as a sin. They won't allow it. Many christians won't allow gay marriages because it's not "how god intended it".
Homosexual marriages have been over and over again rationally argued to something that gays should have the right to have. There's no logical way to deny it. Gay parents have been proven to be as safe and good if not even better than heterosexual parents. Even the National psychiatric organisation in US agrees with this. Same with the National Psychologist Association in Finland. It's the consensus all over the world. Yet Christians object it due to their faith. Not to talk about muslims who are even further behind in progress.
8. Faith has always only ever served to impede, retard, or reverse progress in whatever socio-political medical, educational, economic or environmental application it has ever touched.
9.If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can’t be taken on its own merits.
10. Religion demands faith when it proposes impossible and irrational thoughs as real. For example Christian creed:
To live unto the Law, is to die unto God. To die unto the Law, is to live unto God. These two propositions go against reason.When we pay attention to reason, God seems to propose impossible matters in the Christian Creed. To reason it seems absurd that Christ should offer His body and blood in the Lord’s Supper; that Baptism should be the washing of regeneration; that the dead shall rise; that Christ the Son of God was conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary, etc. Reason shouts that all this is preposterous.
“That is unreasonable, and it’s unscientific.
That is the definition of blind faith;
I believe something even though
there is no evidence to support it.”
-creationist, Kirk Cameron
of Living Waters Ministries
Who here thinks that faith is the source for good?
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