teen cuts off own hand after mistakenly admitting to not praying

[Monxstaa]

Outdated savage cultures, to be more precise. So what, though? I've heard radical crap like that throughout my childhood from muslim acquaintances.

Why you lying lmao, radicalization didn't happen till isis came. 9/11 was a meh and it passed over honestly your stories are bs

Im done.

lul

I know people who practice Islam in real life, and they're literally so nice to the people they interact with. Generalization isn't a good thing.

well yow likes to fantasize about this stuff and stretch it soo hard

 

[Scooby Doo]

Assumption and a strawman argument.

Assumption: people are defending smoking. No people are just differentiating it from cutting of your hand

Straw man: As no one was actually defending smoking or saying it is good for your health you make it seem they did and you exaggerate by saying they are savages which is completely ridiculous. Meaning exactly like this: "based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent"

Just please stick to reading your bible.

I commend you for improving, at least this time you bothered explaining why you say my argument was a strawman.

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to ​protect someone or something against ​attack or ​criticism; to ​speak in ​favour of someone or something

I used the Cambridge dictionary now, so that some people can't say that I'm using kids' dictionary...

I criticized smokers for harming themselves and others. Yowyan tried to protect them, saying that they don't give cancer to those around them (which itself was a mispresentation of what I said), and he said that it's just a habit of relaxation.

So yup he was defending it. Therefore I didn't mispresent his point.

But if savage means inhumane or cruel, then how is it not inhumane and cruel to pollute the environment and harm those around you?

 

[Monxstaa]

So do I. Doesn't change the fact that we're looking at a significant amount of radicals amongst the 1.7 billion Muslims.

1 percent of that 1.7 billion is not a significant amount :lol

Black people is not a belief system though. Yes, many blacks are a cancer to society but that's a socio-economic issue. It depends on the environment they grow up in. For religious fanatics, on the other hand..they take their religious logic everywhere they go, doctrinating generation after generation. In person; I judge people individually. I chat with Pakistanis and Syrians in the gym, I go to my Turkish friends house where his Muslim mother treats me like her second son. I don't look at them as muslims until they give me a reason to. But there are some patterns I've noticed especially amongst young Muslim men.

Care to explain please?

I guess the US invading the Middle East is also just the past.

no man america never do anything wrong, noting is their fault. they can steal oil kill millions yet people like yow will praise them for their bravery

 

[YowYan]

Why you lying lmao, radicalization didn't happen till isis came. 9/11 was a meh and it passed over honestly your stories are bs

lul

well yow likes to fantasize about this stuff and stretch it soo hard

[video=youtube;0Ky2H7dr8-g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ky2H7dr8-g[/video]

I've personally known countless of young muslim youth like these kids in the video. Just listen and pay attention to what they're saying and then keep on turning a blind eye out of ignorance.

 

[Gintõki1]

How is this the fault of religion? I just see an idiot who thought it's great to hurt himself.

 

[YowYan]

1 percent of that 1.7 billion is not a significant amount :lol


Care to explain please?

no man america never do anything wrong, noting is their fault. they can steal oil kill millions yet people like yow will praise them for their bravery

Pretty much the entirety of NB familiar with me would laugh over this remark of yours. Me, supporting the US?

 

[Dark Sonic]

damn.

 

[Hawker]

I commend you for improving, at least this time you bothered explaining why you say my argument was a strawman.

Which you should realize yourself.

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to ​protect someone or something against ​attack or ​criticism; to ​speak in ​favour of someone or something

I used the Cambridge dictionary now, so that some people can't say that I'm using kids' dictionary...

I criticized smokers for harming themselves and others. Yowyan tried to protect them, saying that they don't give cancer to those around them (which itself was a mispresentation of what I said), and he said that it's just a habit of relaxation.

So yup he was defending it. Therefore I didn't mispresent his point.

But if savage means inhumane or cruel, then how is it not inhumane and cruel to pollute the environment and harm those around you?

No he didn't defend smoking in the way that you are implying. He started by decipting what smoking means.

His point was to tell you that your comparison sucks as smokers do not directly harm anyone. Sure passive smoking is big health risk, but it's not comparable to cutting off your hand.

He corrected you rather than defended smoking. He said "and standing next to someone that smokes a cig won't get you cancer" which means it's not comparable to cutting off your hand.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Anyway, let me sum up my points becaue there have been to many quotes and stuff.

The act of chopping off one's hand? Sure, call it savage if you wish, but fact remains it didn't harm others, while smoking does.

Praising this act? Sure, call those people savages, but don't generalize. And don't talk as if this was unique to religious people only. I mentioned Van Gogh. He cut off his ear. Yet people pay millions for his paintings.

Also, the act being savage is the description of the act, not the reason. The guy didn't cut off his hand for being a savage, he can be called a savage for cutting his hand off. But then again, smokers are also savages I guess.

So, the reason for this act was that the guy misunderstood what the imam said, he misuderstood religion. He was stupid. Sure, stupidity led to a savage act, but stupid people do harmful things all the time regardless of faith.

 

[Hawker]

How is this the fault of religion? I just see an idiot who thought it's great to hurt himself.

Would he had cut off his hand if he wasn't apart of religion? If he didn't have faith?

 

[Monxstaa]

[video=youtube;0Ky2H7dr8-g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ky2H7dr8-g[/video]

I've personally known countless of young muslim youth like these kids in the video. Just listen and pay attention to what they're saying and then keep on turning a blind eye out of ignorance.

hmm im pretty sure other people that are non muslims would say shit like that, ive watched the video and it is very disrespectful

How is this the fault of religion? I just see an idiot who thought it's great to hurt himself.

he thought he had to hurt himself :lol

Pretty much the entirety of NB familiar with me would laugh over this remark of yours. Me, supporting the US?

lul if it wasnt for usa, all these "filthy" immigrants wouldnt be in your country.

 

[YowYan]

Anyway, let me sum up my points becaue there have been to many quotes and stuff.

The act of chopping off one's hand? Sure, call it savage if you wish, but fact remains it didn't harm others, while smoking does.

Praising this act? Sure, call those people savages, but don't generalize. And don't talk as if this was unique to religious people only. I mentioned Van Gogh. He cut off his ear. Yet people pay millions for his paintings.

Also, the act being savage is the description of the act, not the reason. The guy didn't cut off his hand for being a savage, he can be called a savage for cutting his hand off. But then again, smokers are also savages I guess.

So, the reason for this act was that the guy misunderstood what the imam said, he misuderstood religion. He was stupid. Sure, stupidity led to a savage act, but stupid people do harmful things all the time regardless of faith.

You don't give up, do you... -__-

And wether the imam says he misunderstood religion or not, his family and neighbours will be patting his back like the champ they see him for.

 

[Gintõki1]

Would he had cut off his hand if he wasn't apart of religion? If he didn't have faith?

I wonder why most of the muslim population still have both of their hands then.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Which you should realize yourself.



No he didn't defend smoking in the way that you are implying. He started by decipting what smoking means.

He said it's just relaxation. Which sounds as if it was a good thing, and ignored its harms. A smoker purposedly takes the harm to feel pleasure. This religious guy purposedly cut off his hand to get the praise and thus feel pleasure.

His point was to tell you that your comparison sucks as smokers do not directly harm anyone.

They directly harm themselves, just like this guy directly harmed himself by chopping his hand off. On the other hand, smokers do pollute the air and thus indirectly harm people around them, while this guy chopping off his hand didn't harm anyone else directly or indirectly.

Sure passive smoking is big health risk, but it's not comparable to cutting off your hand.

And why not?

He corrected you rather than defended smoking.

As I showed, defend means protect from criticism. He said what smokers do is not my concern, so he suggested that I shouldn't criticize others coz it's not my business.

He said "and standing next to someone that smokes a cig won't get you cancer" which means it's not comparable to cutting off your hand.

And that's not what I said. Anyway we could debate on that, as passively breathing in the smoke of others increases the risk of cancer. But of course just standing next to someone won't give you an immediate cancer, I never said that.

My main point was that people harm themselves all the time, f.e smokers. In fact smokers even harm others, while this guy didn't harm anyone else by chopping off his hand. Yowyan tried to dismiss my criticism belittling the effects of smoking, so yes he was defending it.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Damn I just went to that country.

Must praise the kid for at least being honest.

 

[Scooby Doo]

You don't give up, do you... -__-

And wether the imam says he misunderstood religion or not, his family and neighbours will be patting his back like the champ they see him for.

Give up what? The problem is that you have this binary mindset of winning or losing a debate.

Has it ever occured to you, hawker and co. that debates are to exchange thoughts, to broaden perspectives, to understand each other and mutually benefitting from the interaction?

Yup his family and the guy are stupid, I never denied that. I even said above that you can call the act savage, and guess what, if you wish call the persosn savages too, but they are not savages because of their religion, but the act of cutting his hand off and others praising him. Which is not the religion's fault.

 

[YowYan]

hmm im pretty sure other people that are non muslims would say shit like that, ive watched the video and it is very disrespectful

he thought he had to hurt himself :lol


lul if it wasnt for usa, all these "filthy" immigrants wouldnt be in your country.

Well, that's what those kids say here in Europe. Usually, they'll keep it to themselves to prevent worsening the image of their religion.

USA, Saudi Arabia, the Vatican, the EU, yes. They're all in it.

 

[Power Bottom]

Are people really generalizing this story for a whole group of people? I can't stand idiots


I feel sorry for him.

 

[Hawker]

I wonder why most of the muslim population still have both of their hands then.

Like that dismisses the fact that he did it because of religion? And religious people praise it.

Most of the muslim population still have their hands but most of them do however support sharia law. Meaning death by apostay, oppressing women and killing homosexuals. Also most of them think that suicide bombings are okay. It's not like you can argue that muslims are sane people or that religion isn't affecting their countries.

 

[Erzo]

1. Nice try. Only, in reality the amount of radical muslims numbers in approximately 300 million. 300 million of the 1.7 billion. That's pretty close to the number of citizens in the entire U.S. That's a force to be reckoned with.

2. I knew Kobak quite well. I supported him throughout his suicidal ordeals. Until he went full retard on me. So, yes I DO have a clue as to why he harmed himself. I even was in contact with his family.

3. Technically speaking, I did not say he cut off anyone else's hand. Try grasp the underlying point. If people are willing to cut off their own limb due to a systematically indoctrinated sense of pride and duty, then they will undoubtedly be willing to do it to others that disregard their faith.

I'm curious, where did you get 300 million from?