Over 1,000 muslim migrants in germany fight, rape and sexually assault on new year’s

[~Ethereal~]

How sad.

 

[Aim64C]

I don't want people to accuse me (again) of being a 'rape apologist',

Then stop being one.

so let me say that without trying to justify the actions of these people or belittling the gravity of the fear of women attacked...only one case reported fit the legal definition of rape,

It's not like there's a trend, or anything.

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Forty-seven girls were identified as victims of child sexual exploitation during the police investigation.[2][3][4] The men were all British Pakistanis (except for one from Afghanistan) and from Muslim backgrounds, and the girls were White; this led to national discussion of whether the crimes were racially motivated, or, conversely, whether the failure to investigate them was linked to the authorities' fear of being accused of racism.[5] In March 2015, Greater Manchester Police apologised for its failure to investigate the child sexual exploitation allegations more thoroughly between 2008 and 2010.[6]

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Widespread organised child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities.[1] In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve.[2] A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child *** exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling of the abuse.

An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council.[3] The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the failure of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse and even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place.[4][5][6] It conservatively estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men.[7] Abuses described by the report included abduction, rape, torture and *** trafficking of children.[6]

so let's not exaggerate.

Oh?

And who gets to remain judge over what is and is not an exaggeration?

Also let's not generalize (I'm not saying OP did or anyone else specifically, just in general let's not generalize [no pun intended]),

And why not?

Can you tell me which of your buddies are 'radical' jihadi sociopaths?

Would you if you did?

No?

Then why should I let anyone fitting the common denominator in when I can't discern the exceptional case? Why should anyone fitting the common denominator be allowed to remain?

Unless you plan on handing me a list of people who are problem children, then you are not distinguishable from the rapists and murderers within your little clique.

Germany last year alone took in some 1 million migrants/refugees, so let's not make assumptions about the cultures of the 999 000 based on the actions of a 1000.

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" A poll released in November but ignored by the mainstream media shows a third of Syrian refugees do not want the Muslim terrorist group ISIS defeated. The survey results buttress concerns by the dozens of U.S. governors who have announced opposition to President Barack Obama’s plan to import 10,000 Syrian refugees over the next year.

The poll shows thirteen percent of Syrian refugees have a completely positive opinion of ISIS with another ten percent having mixed feelings on the terror group, suggesting that nearly one quarter are open to recruitment by ISIS. "

Doing the math, that means Germany just imported an army of roughly 100,000 Islamic State militants and 340,000 who would stand in support of a Caliphate in Germany.

Does -every- 'refugee' amount to an embedded Islamic State militant? No. But, really, the effort necessary to differentiate between the legitimate refugees and the militants is greater than can be reasonably afforded and the errors too costly.

Notwithstanding that this is not the only time when horny young men from abroad committed sexual crimes. But to blame it on islam is stupid.

Why?

This is how Islamic societies have -always- treated surrounding populations of non-believers. Yugoslavia can attest to that. As can India, China, Russia, Africa, and Thailand.

Drinking alcohol is against islam,

Do try to keep up, young lad.

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The Qu'ran does not prohibit the consumption of alcohol.

It does caution in regards to consumption, but it is an established fact that Muhammad drank alcohol. The initial prohibition was for Muslims to attend worship while drunk.

That said, within Sharia Law, the sale and consumption of alcohol is forbidden within the state of Islam. Generally speaking, Islam has reached an understanding that the rules governing a muslim's behavior are different when he is part of a "muslim society" and when he is abroad in the lands of non-believers.

touching non-mahram women is against islam,

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" Book 008, Number 3433:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) sent a small army. The rest of the hadith is the same except this that he said: Except what your right hands possessout of them are lawful for you; and he did not mention" when their 'idda period comes to an end". This hadith has been reported on the authority of AbuSa'id (al-Khudri) (Allah be pleased with him) through another chain of transmitters and the words are: They took captives (women) on the day of Autas who had their husbands. They were afraid (to have sexual intercourse with them) when this verse was revealed:" And women already married except those whom you right hands posses" (iv. 24) "

These women who were raped were, quite clearly, 'those whom your right hand possesses.' It is important to note that the terminology used does not necessarily mean one who is permanently a slave - but one who is simply under one's control or authority.

men and women can't even shake hands or talk unnecessarily. The Quran tells both men and women to lower their gaze and protect their private parts outside marriage.

Exempted from that are 'those whom your right hand possesses.'

Just my 2 cents.

And yet I wonder...

It should definitely have more regulations. They should take families, instead of a bunch of horny douches in their 20s. They just think those punks will help the economy.

Is there a bus full of the 1000 who committed these crimes headed to drop them back off in Syria?

Closing the gaping hole and saying "there should be more regulations" does very little to change the very real threat that is currently dug in.

I mentioned that Muslims aren't even allowed to drink alcohol. That post was ignored. This post definitely deserves more attention.

This boils down to the no true scotsman fallacy.

The qu'ran does not forbid the consumption of alcohol, and it has been standard practice for jihadi warriors to indulge in various altered states prior to beginning an attack. This is where the term "assassin" comes from - from the ottoman warriors who would partake of hashish before carrying out their strikes.

And to the people saying this is BS. The things Kobak said about Islam are stressed in Mosques, it's not some little thing that you skim across in the Quran, it's stressed. No drinking, you can't touch girls who are not your relatives, or you're married to. And men shouldn't be checking out other girls, let alone groping them.

Muhammad did all of those things, however, and revealed to his followers that God was perfectly fine with them having *** with captives they desired. Even went so far as to settle the debate about whether or not it was okay to ejaculate inside of them - saying that it was better to let allah sort it out and cum inside.

Whether or not the women consented to it was not a part of the equation.

Definitely, the young immigrants all read this, then conclude that they must party on new years, drink, and assault women. Nothing gets passed you, lol.

No, nothing does.

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" As Muslims, we have our own calendar that has been in constant use for 1400 years

. Even though we may end up using the Gregorian calendar due to circumstances beyond our control, we know for a fact that Allah has ordained the use of the lunar calendar for us in our worship. According to our Hijri calendar (initiated by the great Sahaaba Umar raḍyAllāhu 'anha (may Allāh be pleased with her), the new year actually begins on the first of Muharram. To learn more about it click here.

The Gregorian calendar (so called because it was developed by Pope Gregory) decided on the 1st of January as the New Year to celebrate the circumcision of Jesus. Its origin – like so many modern-day holidays – lies in the pagan Roman festivals associated with Janus – the two headed deity who symbolised change. "

These muslims were not 'celebrating.'

This was a coordinated strike against what is seen as a pagan holiday. The date was no coincidence and was not due to any incline to 'ring in the new year.' It was a strike against non-islamic culture.

 

[Brooks]

Lel what? So you compare the woman's free will to act in a porn with women being sexually harassed and raped? Having respect for a woman has nothing to do with her sexual ideals. You can and should respect a woman acting in porn like a woman not doing so. So I don't get your point punk. In Islamic countries, women are just like the man's livestock.

Your whole post yet again screams of stupidity.

My point was about you making that half-ass retarded comment about women being seen as *** objects in Islamic culture and it had nothing to do with rape. Perhaps, you need to use what ever brains cells you have and read other people's posts before replying.

And no, I don't have to respect shi-t....especially to a woman who's making money by fuc_king other people. Maybe, she should respect herself and then, I will.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Lel what? So you compare the woman's free will to act in a porn with women being sexually harassed and raped? Having respect for a woman has nothing to do with her sexual ideals. You can and should respect a woman acting in porn like a woman not doing so. So I don't get your point punk. In Islamic countries, women are just like the man's livestock.

Women are Queens in Islam.

Porn women are trash.

 

[YowYan]

Women are Queens in Islam.

Porn women are trash.

Yet innumerable young muslim men keep watching porn. lol.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Yet innumerable young muslim men keep watching porn. lol.

No *** before marriage can get you this way. Women are not tools but they are still the best partner any man could have.

 

[YowYan]

No *** before marriage can get you this way. Women are not tools but they are still the best partner any man could have.

But it's haram. Kinda ironic, don't you think. Getting hostile when having their religion questioned but not even living up to it's teachings themselves.

On another note; Funny how so many muslim acquaintances of mine literally puke the words out of their mouths when they talk about their dissent towards having a female partner that is not a virgin. While they fck around themselves.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

But it's haram. Kinda ironic, don't you think. Getting hostile when having their religion questioned but not even living up to it's teachings themselves.

On another note; Funny how so many muslim acquaintances of mine literally puke the words out of their mouths when they talk about their dissent towards having a female partner that is not a virgin. While they fck around themselves.

Yeah hypocrisy is a norm in society. Not every person lives up to there religion. In reality you can't, cause even something as little as anger is a sin. Yet we make those all the time. That is why I told my one aunt that it is not the number of good deeds you have that will take you to heaven it is the quality of those good deeds that will matter in the end. In this case even if you are non-religious you could have those quality good deeds.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Then stop being one.

Oh, seems English is not your strong point either.


"Rape apology is an umbrella term for any arguments suggesting that rape is infrequent, misreported, over-reported, not that big a deal, or that it is even excusable in some circumstances..."Apology" in this case means defense or justification..."

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I suggested nothing like rape is infrequent, misreported, not a big deal, or excusable, nor did I try to defend these guys. In fact, they should be punished, yes.

I'd say stop being an idiot but "you can't fix stupid", as you said the other day.

It's not like there's a trend, or anything.

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Forty-seven girls were identified as victims of child sexual exploitation during the police investigation.[2][3][4] The men were all British Pakistanis (except for one from Afghanistan) and from Muslim backgrounds, and the girls were White; this led to national discussion of whether the crimes were racially motivated, or, conversely, whether the failure to investigate them was linked to the authorities' fear of being accused of racism.[5] In March 2015, Greater Manchester Police apologised for its failure to investigate the child sexual exploitation allegations more thoroughly between 2008 and 2010.[6]

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Widespread organised child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities.[1] In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve.[2] A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child *** exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling of the abuse.

An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council.[3] The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the failure of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse and even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place.[4][5][6] It conservatively estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men.[7] Abuses described by the report included abduction, rape, torture and *** trafficking of children.[6]

1) In what sense does that exactly relate to the part of my post to which you copy+pasted this?

2) Albeit you like making relevancy fallacies, I don't want to fall in the trap of countering with another fallacy, namely the two wrongs fallacy, so let me express my deep condemnation of *** trafficking in general.

3) A trend of what?

Oh?

And who gets to remain judge over what is and is not an exaggeration?

exaggeration
-To consider, represent, or cause to appear as larger, more important, or more extreme than is actually the case; overstate

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The thread title suggests that all 1000 men raped women. I think it falls in the category of misrepresentation of the case. You are free to disagree with the meaning of English words, though, if you wish.

And why not?

Because it's an argumentation fallacy, but I don't expect you to know that, considering how many times you've already applied it.

Can you tell me which of your buddies are 'radical' jihadi sociopaths?

Yes, I think I can tell if someone is a radical sociopath, simply by comparing their attitude to yours.

Would you if you did?

No?

Yes, so the next sentence of yours falls in the category of making a false assumption about me.

Then why should I let anyone fitting the common denominator in when I can't discern the exceptional case?

How is it my fault if you are too stupid/lazy/ignorant to discern ?

Why should anyone fitting the common denominator be allowed to remain?

You are an American citizen. So is Hillary. Why would I let any of you remain alive, if you fit the common denominator of being idiotic Americans?

Unless you plan on handing me a list of people who are problem children, then you are not distinguishable from the rapists and murderers within your little clique.

There are no rapists and murderers in my little clique though, so you are falsly accusing people -people I know- of a crime.

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" A poll released in November but ignored by the mainstream media shows a third of Syrian refugees do not want the Muslim terrorist group ISIS defeated. The survey results buttress concerns by the dozens of U.S. governors who have announced opposition to President Barack Obama’s plan to import 10,000 Syrian refugees over the next year.

The poll shows thirteen percent of Syrian refugees have a completely positive opinion of ISIS with another ten percent having mixed feelings on the terror group, suggesting that nearly one quarter are open to recruitment by ISIS. "

Doing the math, that means Germany just imported an army of roughly 100,000 Islamic State militants and 340,000 who would stand in support of a Caliphate in Germany.

See, you are quoting a secondary source: the evaluation of a right-wing blog.

This is the original survey:

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And none of the questions were about if those asked, want Isis to be defeated or not. In fact, 80% of Syrian refugees consider Isis a direct threat to their security, 5% responding 'don't know', and 15% said 'no'. Note that the question was about direct threat though. Only 4% of Syrian refugees have positive view on Isis.

Does -every- 'refugee' amount to an embedded Islamic State militant? No. But, really, the effort necessary to differentiate between the legitimate refugees and the militants is greater than can be reasonably afforded and the errors too costly.

So your solution is...?

Why?

This is how Islamic societies have -always- treated surrounding populations of non-believers.

Yugoslavia can attest to that.

Yugoslavia can attest to many things, including how your country bombed it and dropped CIA-trained Al-Quaeda members in there, it can also attest to Christians raping the hell out of each other and muslims too.

As can India

Yet muslims and non-muslims in India fought the British together to gain independence (albeit this is oversimplified, but iT's not liek your highly intellectual punchlines are much more substantiated).

China

You mean the Chinese that killed the highest number of their own people through worldhistory, out of all nations?

Russia

Yeah, coz we all know Russia is/was an innocent and oppressed entity.

Africa

How many African slaves did your ancestors in the US rape, again?

and Thailand.

Before the 1970s, commercialized *** in Thailand was a small industry. It was in the 1970s that the *** industry began to flourish in Thailand. The flood of US GIs into Thailand during the Vietnam War was the single largest contributing factor to the sharp rise of the Thai *** industry.

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Thank you 'Murica.

Do try to keep up, young lad.

You have to pace up though. Your argumentation has become sloppy since you became inactive.

The Qu'ran does not prohibit the consumption of alcohol.

It does caution in regards to consumption, but it is an established fact that Muhammad drank alcohol. The initial prohibition was for Muslims to attend worship while drunk.

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants [al-khamur (my own transliteration)], gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah ], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.

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"The word khamr refers to all kinds of intoxicating drinks, whether it existed in the past or exists at present or will exist in the future, and whether the drink is made from grapes, barley, dates, corn or anything else.

That is indicated by the words of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him): “Every intoxicant is khamr and every khamr is haraam.” Narrated by Muslim,

...

Avoiding something means keeping far away from it, so that it is not near you."

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"The word Khamr which is equivalent to the word liquor in English, is derived from the verb khamara which means “he covered, hid, or concealed.” Since liquor shrouds the intellect of man, and renders it invalid for discriminating between right and wrong, it is, therefore, called khamr. Khamr is differently explained as meaning what intoxicates, of the expressed juice or grapes, or the juice of grapes when it was effervesced and thrown up froth, and become freed therefrom, and still or it has a common application to intoxicating expressed juice of anything, or any intoxicating thing that clouds or obscures the intellect.

Narrated ‘Aisha:

When the verses of Surat “Al-Baqara”’ about the usury Riba were revealed, the Prophet went to the mosque and recited them in front of the people and then banned the trade of alcohol.

[Saheeh Bukhari]"

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That said,

That said, you are wrong and you can wipe your anus with your 'education' on islam.

"Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Hurayrah said, "There were three stages to prohibiting Khamr (intoxicants). When the Messenger of Allah migrated to Al-Madinah, the people were consuming alcohol and gambling, so they asked the Messenger of Allah about these things, Allah revealed,
They ask you about alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men.'')﴿2:219﴾, until the end of the Ayah. The people said, `They (intoxicants and gambling) were not prohibited for us. Allah only said,
(In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men.)' So they went on drinking Khamr until one day, one of the emigrants lead his companions in the Maghrib prayer and mixed up the Ayat in his recitation. Thereafter, Allah sent down a tougher statement,
(O you who believe! Approach not the Salah (the prayer) when you are in a drunken state until you know (the meaning of) what you utter.)﴿4:43﴾ xThen, the people would drink before the time of the prayer so that they would attend the prayer while sober. A firmer Ayah was later revealed,
(O you who believe! Khamr, Maysir, Ansab, and Azlam are an abomination of Shaytan's handiwork. So avoid that in order that you may be successful.)

Imam Ahmad recorded that `Umar bin Al-Khattab said, "O Allah! Explain the verdict about Khamr to us clearly.'' The Ayah in Surat Al-Baqarah was revealed,
(They ask you about alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin.'')﴿2:219﴾ `Umar was summoned and this Ayah was recited to him, but he still said, "O Allah! Make the verdict of Khamr clear to us.'' Then the Ayah in Surat An-Nisa' was revealed,
(O you who believe! Do not approach the Salah when you are in a drunken state.)﴿4:43﴾ Thereafter, the Prophet had someone herald when it was time to pray, "Those in a drunken state are not to approach the prayer.'' `Umar was again summoned and the Ayah was recited to him, but he still said, "O Allah! Make the verdict concerning Khamr clear to us.'' Then, the Ayah in Surat Al-Ma'idah ﴿5:91﴾ was revealed, and `Umar was summoned and it was recited to him. When he reached the part of the Ayah that reads,
(So, will you not then abstain)﴿5:91﴾, `Umar said, "We abstained, we abstained.'' Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi, and An-Nasa'i recorded this Hadith. `Ali bin Al-Madini and At-Tirmidhi graded it Sahih. It is recorded in the Two Sahihs, that `Umar bin Al-Khattab said in a speech; while standing on the Minbar of the Messenger of Allah (in the Prophet's Masjid in Al-Madinah) "O people! The prohibition of Khamr was revealed; and Khamr was extracted from five things: From grapes, dates, honey, wheat and barley. Khamr is what intoxicates the mind.'' Al-Bukhari recorded that Ibn `Umar said, "The prohibition of Khamr was revealed when there were five kinds of intoxicants in Al-Madinah, besides what was produced from grapes.''

Imam Ahmad recorded that Anas said, "I once was giving an alcoholic beverage to Abu `Ubaydah bin Al-Jarrah, `Ubayy bin Ka`b, Suhayl bin Bayda' and several of their friends meeting at Abu Talhah's house. When they were almost intoxicated, some Muslims came and said, `Did you not know that Khamr has been prohibited' They said, `We'll wait and ask.' They then said, `O Anas! Spill the remaining alcohol out of your container.' By Allah! They never drank it again, and their Khamr at that time was made from unripe and normal dates.''' This is also recorded in the Two Sahihs. In another narration by Anas, "I was the butler of the people in the house of Abu Talhah when Khamr was prohibited, and in those days alcohol was made from unripe and normal dates. A caller then heralded, and Abu Talhah ordered me to see what it was about. So I found that a person was announcing that alcoholic drinks had been prohibited. Abu Talhah ordered me to go out and spill the wine. I went out and spilled it, and it flowed in the streets of Al-Madinah. Some people said, `Some people were killed and wine was still in their stomachs.' Later on, Allah's revelation came,
Those who believe and do righteous good deeds, there is no sin on them for what they ate...)﴿5:93﴾.'' Ibn Jarir recorded that Anas bin Malik said, "I was serving Abu Talhah, Abu `Ubaydah bin Al-Jarrah, Abu Dujanah, Mu`adh bin Jabal and Suhayl bin Bayda', until they became intoxicated from an alcoholic drink made of mixed unripe and normal dates. Then I heard someone herald, `Khamr has been made illegal.' So no one went in or out until we spilled the alcohol and broke its barrels. Some of us then performed ablution and others took a shower, and we wore some perfume. We then went out to the Masjid while the Messenger of Allah was reciting,
(O you who believe! Khamr, Maysir, Ansab, and Azlam are only an abomination of Shaytan's handiwork. So avoid that...)﴿5:90﴾, until,So, will you not then abstain)﴿
Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Umar said that the Messenger of Allah said,
(Ten matters related to Khamr were cursed. Khamr itself was cursed, whoever drinks it, its server, seller, buyer, brewer, who asks for it to be brewed, whoever carries it, whomever it is carried to and whoever consumes its price.) Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah recorded this Hadith. Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Umar said, "Once, the Messenger of Allah went out and I went out with him. I walked to his right, but Abu Bakr came along and I gave way to him, and Abu Bakr was walking on the Prophet's right, while I was walking on his left. Then `Umar came along and he was walking on the Prophet's left, since I gave way to him. The Messenger of Allah then found a leather skin hanging containing alcohol, so he asked for a knife and ordered that the skin be cut open. He then said,
(Khamr was cursed, and so are those who drink it, serve it, sell it, buy it, carry it, have it carried to them, brew it, have it brewed and consume its price.)''

Allah has vowed by His grace and power, `Whoever drinks it after I prohibited it, I will make him thirsty on the Day of Resurrection.

Muslim recorded that Ibn `Umar said that the Messenger of Allah said,
(Every intoxicant is Khamr, and every intoxicant is unlawful. Whoever drinks Khamr and dies while addicted to it, without repenting from drinking it, will not drink it in the Hereafter.) `Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Harith bin Hisham said that he heard `Uthman bin `Affan saying, "Avoid Khamr, for it is the mother of all sins..."

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As you can see, ALL types of alcohol available at the time were prohibited.

within Sharia Law, the sale and consumption of alcohol is forbidden within the state of Islam. Generally speaking, Islam has reached an understanding that the rules governing a muslim's behavior are different when he is part of a "muslim society" and when he is abroad in the lands of non-believers.

What's with that bs statement? With that much logic you coudl say that muslims don't have to pray when they are not in a muslim country...smh...

As for the claim that Muhammad drank alcohol:

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" Book 008, Number 3433:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) sent a small army. The rest of the hadith is the same except this that he said: Except what your right hands possessout of them are lawful for you; and he did not mention" when their 'idda period comes to an end". This hadith has been reported on the authority of AbuSa'id (al-Khudri) (Allah be pleased with him) through another chain of transmitters and the words are: They took captives (women) on the day of Autas who had their husbands. They were afraid (to have sexual intercourse with them) when this verse was revealed:" And women already married except those whom you right hands posses" (iv. 24) "

These women who were raped were, quite clearly, 'those whom your right hand possesses.' It is important to note that the terminology used does not necessarily mean one who is permanently a slave - but one who is simply under one's control or authority.

The full story:

Book 008, Number 3432:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).

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As you can see, this event took place after the battle of Hunayn.

The conquest of Mecca astounded both the Arabs and other tribes. The Hawazins had been long-standing enemies of Meccans. Given this history they saw Muhammad as another powerful Quraish leader who had come to lead his people. They thought among themselves that a war with Muslims was imminent and that the once persecuted minority of Muslims had gained an upper hand against their non-Muslim Arab enemies. Some tribes favoured fighting him and the Muslims. Ahead of these were the tribes of Hawazin and Thaqif. So, they met Malik bin ‘Awf An-Nasri and made up their minds to proceed fighting against the Muslims. Malik persuaded other tribes to fight and gathered them before him. The confederation of tribes consistiing of Nasr, Jusham, Sa‘d bin Bakr, Bani Hilal, Bani 'Amr bin Amir and Bani 'Awf bin Amir gathered at Autas along with the Thaqif and Hawazin.

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1) Once again, muslims were attacked, but they won thanks to Allah. So the enemy can only blame but themselves for falling captive to muslims. The hadith talks about the ruling that falling into captivity invalidates the already existing marriage of captives, so that they can be re-married to muslims.

2) This hadith nowhere says though that the female captives were raped.

3) The verse quoted in the hadith is surah an-Nisa ayah 24. The full ruling goes like this:

Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.
And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.
And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women, then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls. And Allah is most knowing about your faith. You [believers] are of one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their due compensation according to what is acceptable. [They should be] chaste, neither [of] those who commit unlawful intercourse randomly nor those who take [secret] lovers. But once they are sheltered in marriage, if they should commit adultery, then for them is half the punishment for free [unmarried] women. This [allowance] is for him among you who fears sin, but to be patient is better for you. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

This section talks about marriage, not ***.

So does 4:3 :

And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].

Then there is this:

But let them who find not [the means for] marriage abstain [from sexual relations] until Allah enriches them from His bounty. And those who seek a contract [for eventual emancipation] from among whom your right hands possess - then make a contract with them if you know there is within them goodness and give them from the wealth of Allah which He has given you. And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, if they desire chastity, to seek [thereby] the temporary interests of worldly life. And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.

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Note that these are Medinan surahs.

23:5-6 is Meccan. In the early period it was allowed to have *** with the slaves the arabs already had, because it would have been hard to rule that out overnight. But note that in the Meccan period, muslims didn't engage in battles. It was only in teh medinan period when they were allowed to fight back, and that's how they could capture captives- whom they could marry. Not rape.

4) In any case, the current events in Germany have nothing to do with it, as the migrants /refugees there have no women in their right hands' posession (as slavery is universally abolished- at least, legally).

 

[Funky Tiger]

-snip about india

i do agree that indians and muslims fought the brits together with our home boy gandhi for independence, there were actually tons and tons of differences between the hindus and muslims, but pakistan exists because of the himalayan-size ego of politicians and because the british wanted to create one last problem before they left, a problem that has been troubling us for the last 69 years: pakistan. im pretty sure that if religious differences were the only problem they couldve been sorted out

 

[Scooby Doo]

i do agree that indians and muslims fought the brits together with our home boy gandhi for independence, there were actually tons and tons of differences between the hindus and muslims, but pakistan exists because of the himalayan-size ego of politicians and because the british wanted to create one last problem before they left, a problem that has been troubling us for the last 69 years: pakistan. im pretty sure that if religious differences were the only problem they couldve been sorted out

He mentioned India along with a bunch of other countries, I shouldn't even have answered because that's anecdotal evidence at best, and the violence involved is not unique to islamic history. Also, it's off topic.

oh yes. debating with someone as bigoted and dumb as that aim64 guy about why your religion is not as bad as he puts it out to be (assuming you're muslim? idk) is just pointless. seriously. do you think whatever you say is going to shut him up?

Nope, he already ditched many of our convos, but I'm free to post whatever I want as long as I don't break the rules. If I want to waste time on educating someone, I will. I never said I expect him to change.

But why did you feel urged to tell me what to do on an animeforum?

 

[Marin]

I don't want people to accuse me (again) of being a 'rape apologist', so let me say that without trying to justify the actions of these people or belittling the gravity of the fear of women attacked...only one case reported fit the legal definition of rape, so let's not exaggerate. Also let's not generalize (I'm not saying OP did or anyone else specifically, just in general let's not generalize [no pun intended]), Germany last year alone took in some 1 million migrants/refugees, so let's not make assumptions about the cultures of the 999 000 based on the actions of a 1000. Notwithstanding that this is not the only time when horny young men from abroad committed sexual crimes. But to blame it on islam is stupid. Drinking alcohol is against islam, touching non-mahram women is against islam, men and women can't even shake hands or talk unnecessarily. The Quran tells both men and women to lower their gaze and protect their private parts outside marriage.

Just my 2 cents.

I think the problem here isn't with Islam as formally constructed, but the muslim immigrants.

The problem lies in poor regulation on how these immigrants move and where. Just letting anyone in and giving them social help, while humane, is a naive thing to do. Check the records and keep them close. It's ridiculous how in some cases immigrants aren't even listed in so you have no clue who came in, from where or how. Not even if they left the country.

That's where I believe the problem lies.

OT: It's a disgusting act and those who try to downplay it are just as bad.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I think the problem here isn't with Islam as formally constructed, but the muslim immigrants.

The problem lies in poor regulation on how these immigrants move and where. Just letting anyone in and giving them social help, while humane, is a naive thing to do. Check the records and keep them close. It's ridiculous how in some cases immigrants aren't even listed in so you have no clue who came in, from where or how. Not even if they left the country.

That's where I believe the problem lies.

OT: It's a disgusting act and those who try to downplay it are just as bad.

I can agree with this.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

They are probably confused . They don't really know the laws of germany yet.

 

[Vulpi]

Laws are meant to be broke with the freedom of speech

And I find it funny my comments getting deleted, It means rich kids don't like what I'm saying because its true
and makes more sense then bullshit stories made by a bunch of farmers. No need to hate.. everyone else is allowed an opinion except me and afew others... so I say.. its rich kids getting pissed not happy with whats right and deletes.

 

[Monxstaa]

They are probably confused . They don't really know the laws of germany yet.

Rape is a international law, its just wrong and you should know that from young age.

And I find it funny my comments getting deleted, It means rich kids don't like what I'm saying because its true
and makes more sense then bullshit stories made by a bunch of farmers. No need to hate.. everyone else is allowed an opinion except me and afew others... so I say.. its rich kids getting pissed not happy with whats right and deletes.

what you are saying doesnt make sense tbh

 

[PT1990]

They are probably confused . They don't really know the laws of germany yet.

It was a really bad joke from your side.