Kirin obliterated Susano'o alongside Yata. Natural elements are much more powerful than chakra made versions. Yata works by changing its nature to the weakness of the incoming attack... Useless if said technique is a KKG/KKT/KKM.
The Yata Mirror — Summary & Explanation
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Of all the things.. I didn't assume I had to explain more in-depth than what I already did. Oh well. Your first and last point both contain the words "Reflect" and "Deflect" so I will explain those first.
Reflect
This word refer to throw something back in the direction it came without absorbing it.
Deflect
This word refers to throw something of its original course, in a different direction that its straight course.
If someone reflects a bullet, then that bullet is returned to its original starting point, the gun. So someone fires a gun, and the target reflects it, turning the bullet straight back at the gunner and their gun. While deflect means that the bullet is thrown off course. Say you fire it at a metal shield, the bullet will most likely deflect of the surface and fly either to the right, left, down or up, but there is a tiny chance (if you hit the shield perfectly) that the bullet will ricochet, thus being reflected back.
So no, those two words doesn't mean the same, they are different.
The Data-book states that the shield can be used to block attacks by altering its own attributes. (You really should use Google). Attributes are the characteristics of something, the variables that builds it up. A "Fire-Style Jutsu" is built up by Yin-Yang chakra as well as Fire nature chakra, causing it to turn into a Ninjutsu. For the Yata Mirror to deflect that attack, it would require the user or shield (depending if it is automatic or not, as we have no proof of either) to change its attributes to the same in order to do that. So in that sense, yes it would have to "turn into fire to beat fire" as in it would require the same characteristics that builds up the fire attack.
You are aware that most of your points were about the usage of words? You may want to (again) use Google or a dictionary more often. "It uses" can mean that the shield is the source, not the activator. It can however also mean it is the activator itself. Again with the bullet example. When someone fires a gun, they can say the following to explain what they just did;
"I fired a bullet from the gun and it was thrown back."
Now this example is usable because; the activator was the gunner, the source was the gun and in the throw back, the activator was the gun and the source was the gravity. This is enough to prove that "it" can mean a great deal of things, including that it refers to the shield as a medium for the mechanism. However, as I stated in the thread, that part was speculation.
Why are your posts so long....ain't nobody got time for that man.
Spoonfeeding:
It doesn't say the user is the one who has to alter the mirror. It directly states the mirror is capable of altering itself. There isn't a question here of whether the mirror is automatic or not.
Fair enough, but either way the attack is being thrown back, so again why does it make any difference?
You may have to check out a first grade class because I didn't imagine I'd actually have to read the quote you posted for you twice.
Spoonfeeding:
"allowing it to alter its attributes"
It doesn't say the user is the one who has to alter the mirror. It directly states the mirror is capable of altering itself. There isn't a question here of whether the mirror is automatic or not.
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ComplexCity
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ComplexCity
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If Yata blocked Kirin, then according to all the collective facts, then it would have rendered it useless meaning
1. Yata's hype is garabge
2. Sussano blocked it
Your choice :bdpf:
The difference is that in defensive properties, deflecting is far less powerful than reflecting.
If you fire a gun, it will release a bullet. A person is required to activate the gun in order for it to release the said the bullet though. You see the point now? This is what I mean with "source" and "activator". The gun is the source of the bullet, though it is required to be activated by a person. Hence, my original statement that it is not confirmed whenever or not the progress is automatic or not is solid. As it can easily mean either one. (In short, neither of us have proof of either claim, I am just going with the more logical one.) \
The shield may or may not be a medium, hence it is the shield that alters the attributes of itself, though only with the input of the person holding the shield. (That was my original point.) That part cannot be proven correct or wrong, unless you have a statement from Kishimoto himself or a scan where Itachi outright says that the shield does it by itself.
No, the Data-book use the word; "Ineffective" which means that the action didn't produce its intended effect. That along with Black Zetsu's statement that the shield is capable of "turning back" attacks, as in changing its course then the shield is capable of doing one thing, block an attack and deflect it. It doesn't state that an attack blocked by the Yata Mirror is completely useless, only ineffective.
ComplexCity
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I'm not spending 3 pages on this, let me know when you find the manga scan
Who said he took out Yata? I gave you two sceanrios
The Necromancer
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Are you really asking someone to prove a negative? You know that's like rule no. 1 of debating, right?
ComplexCity
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I think thats the point. He is trying to find the weak dpot in yata mirror. It think you kinda helped with this quote.
Its interesting. Can it block kamui? I'm pretty sure it can block elemental jutsu though thats why it changes its attributes.
ComplexCity
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If it would turn to fire to counter fire then why did'nt it turn to snake to counter oros snakes? And itachi did'nt use yata to block kirin, yata is said to block astral attacks (which kamui is) do you think that yata would counter kamui by it changing into a blackhole also? Be reasonable dude,kishi uses jap mythologies of which yata is a mirror, and mirrors reflect, a dude possesed yata mirror shield in Akame ga kill and the dude reflected attacks, I know its a different anime but the mangakas use the same yata being a mirror and reflecting attacks, nobodies fault kishi made yata op, so stop trying to nerf it, coz no one really knows how to beat it, its kinda like kotoamatsukami