The Yata Mirror — Summary & Explanation

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With the manga over and the anime following shortly after, as well as the news of the upcoming generation, I decided to do some research into the last generation to see what we may have missed or miss-understood. Reading over the manga and data-books, I found the section that regards to Itachi's Yata Mirror and its power. Now this shield isn't the only reason, but its a big factor in the fanbase's choice to dub him a god. Now I here to channel some information and debate as to why this power is far from great, and why it is even further from being anything near God level.

My research started with what Black Zetsu said during the fight between Itachi and Sasuke, and he stated the following;

Black Zetsu said:
A shield that can turn back any attack.
While this statement was somewhat correct, the Data-book says something that is slightly different, though still can be translate in the same manner. (Hence why the original meaning was most likely lost in translation.) Now I cannot provide a scan of the page in the Data-book that regards this point, but what I can do is to write the entire text as stated in the data-book and provide an image of a physical copy of the Data-book. So here goes;

Databook said:
A spirit weapon without a physical form with the power to change every one of its properties, allowing it to alter its attributes in accordance with the attributes of the attack, rendering the attack ineffective.

Previously we assumed that the power of the Yata Mirror was the ability to completely reflect or deflect all Ninjutsu and physical attacks used against it. Though from those few lines in the Data-book, we know that isn't the case and we also see that in the manga.


Why did I research?
Now in all honesty, I started to research this again after a debate (that is still going on) over at Disqus and I know that some here already were aware of this, but I cannot remember ever seeing a thread like this over the past years. Going in-depth by why and what the Yata Mirror really is and what powers it had. For those that wonder, the debate was;

Which is the best defense? The Yata Mirror or the Truth-seeker Balls?

Now I stuck by with the last choice out of those two, and went on and dug up all information I could about the Yata Mirror. Coming to a very simple conclusion, most of the fanbase has greatly overestimated the power and capabilities of the Yata Mirror. Unto the summary and explanation then.

Summary & Explanation
The Data-book states that the Yata Mirror's real ability is to alter its own attributes to match that of the attacks, rendering the attack inefficient. In a sense, it beats fire with fire. However it never states that this ability is automatically or something the user has to input manually, and I think it is the last part. Now this part is mostly explanation, and me trying to explain what the Data-book means, but listen for a second.

The Yata Mirror works by altering its attributes. So say Itachi was going to block a fire-based attack, he would need to know the basis of the attack and how its built up and apply that to the Yata Mirror in order to change the shield's attributes and deflect the attack. If this input has to be manual then that means that this shield can only block attacks that the user either know or the ones that are painfully obvious what they are. (Like Sasuke stating that the Kirin was pure lightning and it was obvious from the look of it.) If the user doesn't know this (such as in a Hidden Jutsu or a Kekkai Genkai) then the shield wouldn't be able to block the attack and the attack would pass right through.

The reason I say pass right through is that the Data-book states that it has no physical form in its original form until it changes attributes to fit that of the attack. Now that only counts if the input has to be manually, and the reason why I am sticking with that idea is that if it was automatically then Itachi would have used it more. Now before you go ahead and start a debate that Itachi didn't use it more because of the strain it put on his body, think in his Edo Shape. Instead of using the Yata Mirror to defend Sasuke from Kabuto, he used a hand, most likely because he didn't know the exact attributes of Kabuto's attacks, which would render the Mirror inefficient. (That or the Yata Mirror is capable of blocking people without the right input.)

This also means that the more complicated the attack, the smaller the chance is that Yata Mirror would be capable of blocking it. Lets say you want to block "Water Style", you change the attributes to match that of water and the same goes for Earth, while also applying the basis of chakra (Yin-Yang). Now lets say you want to block Mokuton, you would require to know the exact build-up of this, which is first Water and Earth, then mixed together. The list goes on like that. This means that yes, against basic Ninjutsu and Kekkai Genkai known to Itachi, the shield can block anything, but aside from that, it most likely cannot.

Previous it was believed that the Yata Mirror also possessed the ability to reflect or at least deflect any Ninjutsu based attack thrown at it, as well as physical ones. We know that it doesn't reflect it, but it can deflect it as seen with the Kirin. The Kirin did hit the Yata Mirror, but the shield blocked it, deflecting the the Lightning into the mountain and causing massive damage regardless.


 

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You are wasting effort, itachis name from their point of view stands for Victory. Its a shield with indestructible bullshit.
 

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According to the real story of it and including all anime shows, the yata mirror reflect any attacks that it see. I just gave you the answer to it. Its greatest strength is also its greatest weakness.
 

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You may want to explain why, because that is one of the few sentences that defends the claims the fan-base has given to the shield.
Bold is the problem right there.

Yata Mirror didn't redirect anything because if we follow the hype then it would have lost it's meaning. I didn't even have to read the thread to know that it was gonna be bogus
 

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According to the real story of it and including all anime shows, the yata mirror reflect any attacks that it see. I just gave you the answer to it. Its greatest strength is also its greatest weakness.
Naruto is heavily based of legends, it is very rarely a direct copy. Aside from that, the Data-book says it only renders the attack ineffective, meaning the attack didn't hit its original target or disappeared. From the Kirin we know that it was erased, and reflected means that it was thrown directly back at its source, in this sense it would be the sky, however the blast hit the mountain, so it was deflected. (Hence the term of fighting fire with fire, as it fought lightning with lightning, causing the powers to deflect of each other.)
 

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Bold is the problem right there.

Yata Mirror didn't redirect anything because if we follow the hype then it would have lost it's meaning. I didn't even have to read the thread to know that it was gonna be bogus
Sasuke aims Kirin at Itachi.
Itachi raises his shield.
The Kirin hits the mountain.

The Data-book states that it renders attack inefficient, a shield blocks whats behind it. Common logic states that if Itachi had blocked it at the Kirin had stopped at the shield, then he would have suffered no damage and the mountain wouldn't have been complete collapsed, at least not from the location it was. The jutsu deflected of the Yata Mirror.
 

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Are you making Yata mirror complicated? It's very simple.

And Yata Mirror is equipped to Susanoo. You rid Susanoo, you rid Yata Mirror.
I do enjoy the fact that no one has commented on the main point of the Yata Mirror's abilities. This is not a VS thread, this is not a thread boasting Itachi. This is a thread that explains and go into depth why the Yata Mirror is next to useless against most high-end Ninja.
 

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Sasuke aims Kirin at Itachi.
Itachi raises his shield.
The Kirin hits the mountain
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As if I haven't been in this debate 100 times. Gonna need to see some scans because there is no fanfiction in Kishi's manga

The Data-book states that it renders attack inefficient, a shield blocks whats behind it. Common logic states that if Itachi had blocked it at the Kirin had stopped at the shield, then he would have suffered no damage and the mountain wouldn't have been complete collapsed, at least not from the location it was. The jutsu deflected of the Yata Mirror.
Ok so prove that Itachi blocked it with the shield, then we can go to the next level
 

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Ok so prove that Itachi blocked it with the shield, then we can go to the next level
Fine, fine. It wasn't outright stated that Itachi used the shield to block it, but we know that he used Susano'o in order to avoid death from the attack, it was only common sense to believe that he would use the shield. (I mean who has a shield and chooses not to use it to survive an attack?) Can we please go back to the main point of the thread, or are you going to be hung up in a logical assumption? As this thread is about the Yata Mirror's ability to alter its properties as well as its weakness being that it is utterly useless against anything Itachi didn't have full knowledge of.
 

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Your thread basically has these points....
Previously we assumed that the power of the Yata Mirror was the ability to completely reflect or deflect all Ninjutsu and physical attacks used against it. Though from those few lines in the Data-book, we know that isn't the case and we also see that in the manga.
Sasuke's attacks being deflected/reflected.
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Yata mirror beats fire with fire
Or it just changes to deflect/reflect the attack as stated. Nowhere does it say the mirror must become fire to stop fire.
it never states that this ability is automatically or something the user has to input manually. would need to know the basis of the attack and how its built up and apply that to the Yata Mirror in order to change the shield's attributes and deflect the attack
"A spirit weapon without a physical form with the power to change every one of its properties, allowing it to alter its attributes in accordance with the attributes of the attack, rendering the attack ineffective."

Fam, the quote you included in your thread says that the mirror itself does it automatically. :|

Yata doesn't reflect, but it can deflect
Both words mean that the attack is thrown back at the user what's the difference?
 
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I do enjoy the fact that no one has commented on the main point of the Yata Mirror's abilities. This is not a VS thread, this is not a thread boasting Itachi. This is a thread that explains and go into depth why the Yata Mirror is next to useless against most high-end Ninja.
You should have shown some actual scans. The "reflecting" part was questionable.

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Fine, fine. It wasn't outright stated that Itachi used the shield to block it, but we know that he used Susano'o in order to avoid death from the attack, it was only common sense to believe that he would use the shield. (I mean who has a shield and chooses not to use it to survive an attack?) Can we please go back to the main point of the thread, or are you going to be hung up in a logical assumption? As this thread is about the Yata Mirror's ability to alter its properties as well as its weakness being that it is utterly useless against anything Itachi didn't have full knowledge of.
Yata blocked only physical attacks

Show me scans of it blocking elemental ninjutsu

Can it block Kamui?




Until you have manga scans, your thread is nothing but speculation
 

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Yata blocked only physical attacks

Show me scans of it blocking elemental ninjutsu

Can it block Kamui?




Until you have manga scans, your thread is nothing but speculation
While I agree that Itachi at most only used ribcage susano'o to block Kirin, the mirror is stated to be capable stopping of ninjutsu....
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