Tier List v2

[Warlocks]

GOOD list

 

[lelerskates]

But now we're arguing somehting else. You said Nagato beats Kakashi and i disagreed. Are you conceeding on Kakashi beating Nagato? As i showed in the scan, Nagato only realized the chakra pressure when the blood had already came out of Itachi's eye. And that's an MS amaterasu, which is a lot slower than Kamui. If he is put against Kamui he'd have to sense the chakra pressure and then react, and on this case, if he takes the same time he did with Itachi, he's screwed.

Kakashi beats nagato.









So now you're implying that everythinng gets paneled in the manga. Amaterasu is already shown to have a charge time, and there's absolutely no reason for EMS to nule this charge. Again, we see Sasuke still in one moment and on the other moment we see him landing Amaterasu, there's no reference to tell how much time passed between those 2 scans.


Never said that.

Yes i Know Ay dodges Kamui too. Not on the subject. I'm talking about why Amaterasu is no way faster than kamui

, from there is to proof why Kamui is faster.



Sasuke charged Amaterasu from the period Kabuto was running until it was fired. I already said there's nothing that tells us when this happened, but it did happen. Amaterasu requires a charge time that is faster than Kabuto running from point A to point B and that's all we know. That's why i said EMS Sasuke's feats don't have a reference to tell how fast the charge time is.


Imma drop this since this wouldn't happen anyways.




Except that your explanation doesn't go with the scan.



Okay i can't take the bold seriously. So you're saying two things:
1- The flame wasn't completely spawned yet, so this means Amaterasu spawns slowly. This is even worse for your argument, but say thanks it doesn't make sense

2- If this were true, the little portion of Amaterasu that had already spawned on Ay would have followed him when he moved, since it spawned on him. Obviously the flame wasn't spawining on his body because it would be attached to it.

Also you ingored the fact that then the flame travelled until the samurai. Sasuke said "he dodged it". C's argument is irrelevant, because Amaterasu's hype is to ignite what the user sees, because of it's speed. But then we see Ay who's faster than Amaterasu, and he took a shit on this hype.


But the part that had already spawned would have been atached to Ay. This doesn't make sense.


It spawns not on the opponent, it spawns close to it. Then it travels. Your argument doesn't make snese. Just answer this;

You say Ay dodged it because the flame hadn't spawned completely on Ay, but that would mean that the part that did spawn on time, was attached to his body, which is obviously not true. Amaterasu DOES NOT SPAWN ON THE TARGET.



Irrelevant






When you can prove that

Amaterasu prep + Amaterasu traveling is < Kamui prep + kamui warping in time then you have a point.





Then by this statement, how would EMS make amaterasu faster?

Thanks for reminding me the Kaguya fight. Kakashi used Kamui faster than an ash bone travelled trough Kaguya's portal. With no showed prep at all. Sasuke can't match this.



Okay i'll support this for the fanfic on the month. Let's check on Ay, he should be a barbecue by now i guess. Since Amaterasu spawns instantly, LMAO (not to mention you're the one that just said "it hadn't spawned completely yet"). ROFL.

Amaterasu spawns and travels. And has more charge time than Kamui.



The warp is fast enough to warp Sasuke before Amaterasu completes the travel. Since it requires less charge time by feats. Susano arrows at mid way and Kaguya feat are enough.




So until you explain well what you mean with "it hadn't completely spawned yet (which makes no sense because Ay's body was not spawned with flames when he dodged) then yes Amaterasu does travel. And you keep ignoring the fact that it traveled trough until it reached the samurai. When Ay dodged, the flames were on his previous position, and a few moments later they're several mts behind Ay's previous position. The fire packed momentum to travel, which it gained after it spawned. Amaterasu travels.






Amaterasu requires charge like any other jutsu and that's a fact. And Kakashi's feat against Kaguya trumps any feat from Sasuke.



The burden of proof is on you since you're the one who said that Sasuke fires Amaterasu and it hits Kakashi first.

What we have for kamui is:

-It's charge time is almost non existant, since it was ready before susano arrows at mid way from a really short distance
-It's warping speed is enough to warp naruto completely before a stake that was 20 cm from his face hit him.
-Kakashi with no previous charge prepped Kamui and used it before an ash bone crossed between portals

Proof how Sasuke fires Amaterasu before Kakashi warps his head away. When it comes to small objects, its so fast that Obito didn't clearly see what happened:

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It happened in front of his face, and with a rinnegan and a sharingan Obito tought it was Naruto that made it go away. The warping speed >>>> Amaterasu's travelling speed (or spawning speed, whatever floats your boat. What Ay's feat tells us is that Amaterasu doesn't do shit until it reaches the target or until it spawns completely on it)




Focus on this part of my counter since i'll just make a summary:

- From Ay's feats we get that Amaterasu travels. If you want to keep with that shitty argument okay, then let's say it doesn't travel, but it takes a time to spawn completely
on the target and until there it doesn't attach to the body (doesn't make sense but oh well, this is the argument you're using)

-You're saying that Sasuke would fire Amaterasu and it's spawning speed or travelling speed is gonna trump:

1-Obito not seeing the warping in front of his face with sharingan and rinnegan
2-The spawning speed is faster than Kaguya's ash bone travelling trough portals.

Nah, lol. rofl. lmao.




Well then, irrelevant because as Kakashi takes his headband off he could be prepping the chakra. While if we put it like this, Sasuke should start the battle with his normal eyes.


So, Amaterasu doesn't "spawn completely" on the target (it obviously travels, but let's say it does this way lol). And until it doesn't spawn completely, the flames doesn't attach to the body.

Then Kakashi decapitates Sasuke with the speed he took out that rasengan.

No way Amaterasu is faster than Kamui.

Amaterasu is such a garbage ability.

These two people know what they are talking about. Kamui > Amaterasu every time.

 

[TheSages456]

He awakened the eye when he approached the moon. Even then that's irrelevant since he had no access to it's power. And I'm not going to put Hagoromo, Hamura, Madara and Momoshiki in the same tier as JJ Hagoromo and Tenseigan Hamura.

The eye opened up when he approached the moon. It was physically there ever since he absorbed the shinju.

The only power that Madara has shown access to with the Rinnesharingan is IT. You can't make an argument for his placement featwise.

Ten Tails Madara/Rinnesharingan Madara, Hagoromo, Hamura and Momoshiki can all just go in a tier of their own.

Yeah, in physical combat. Naruto used no Ninjutsu, and when they teamed up a simple sword slash one shotted him and his strongest technique. Naruto and Sasuke individually possess more firepower than what was used to kill Momoshiki.

Naruto didn't use ninjutsu because it would have been absorbed. His ninjutsu is useless and Momoshiki can physically overwhelm him and his avatar with his constructs.

So what if they showed more destructive power? It's useless against Momoshiki.

And no, Sasuke is above these 2. His performance against Madara, who is comfortably above Obito says enough.

"base" is only a term used to differentiate. I already know that he's still using RSM.

"Kakashi's performance against Kaguya, who is comfortably above Madara says enough." That doesn't prove anything.

This is irrelevant anyway, because me suggesting that Sasuke and Kakashi should be in the same tier doesn't imply that Kakashi is as strong as Sasuke or vice versa.

-Adult Sasuke is stated to equal Adult Naruto as per Kishimoto's statement, who is just as strong as he was in the Manga at least. The only issue is that his battle sense has dulled. So they belong in the same tier.

"The survivor of the Uchiha clan who is endowed with the kekkei-genkai, 'Sharingan'. When he was a boy, he walked in the darkness of shinobi as an avenger. But after he faught Naruto to the death, he achieved reconciliation. Possessing the 'Sharingan' and 'Rinnegan', he's a strong man who currently ranks equal to Naruto, and protects the future of the ninja world. "

Sasuke is equal to Naruto in rank. All Kage share the same rank for example, but all Kage are not equal in power.

It doesn't say that there isn't any difference whatsoever between Naruto & Sasuke's power. It's just stating that Sasuke's relative position is equal to that of naruto.

-Yes, Adult Naruto is in 2 already.
-Indra possessing Indra's Arrow, or at least one as strong as Sasuke's is a baseless assumption, same goes with Asura and the 3 Headed Avatar. Then again, considering Sasuke is using all of the Bijuu merged into one while Naruto is using the planet's Nature Energy, it should be pretty obvious that their mode/attack is far stronger than anything Asura and Indra can replicate on their own.

What do you think Naruto using Asura mode and Sasuke using Indra's arrow was meant to portray?

Lmfao, how did I forget? Though how can Madara break the contract if he's being controlled by Kabuto?

His binding doesn't have the feats to control someone as powerful as Madara. Even if you want to argue that he can, Madara can use the seals far before Kabuto can fully control him.

He has Six Paths Senjutsu and he has the same Gudo Dama Obito has but with extra abilities that give him more firepower. And he can cut the Moon in half. He's fine where he is. Though I'm open to a change of mind on this.

He was beaten by Kurama sage mode Naruto and his strongest move was tanked by Naruto. His portrayal isn't on par with any Ten Tails jinchuriki and neither are his feats.

Lol most definitely not. Madara isn't moving up to JJ Obito and JJ Madara's level (not sure why you are telling me to move, neither is Hashirama. Gai doesn't belong on that level either when he fought a Madara w/o Gudo Dama and still couldn't kill him.

Of course Madara and Hashirama are on that level. Sasuke's PS hasn't shown feats above Madara's and both Hashirama & Madara at their peak have shown firepower above Six paths sage mode kurama(without asura mode) and Sasuke's PS(without biju).


I don't know why you have 2 eye-Juubi Madara and 1 eye-Juubi Madara on the same tier.

Madara had one truthseeker which he attempted to shield himself with. Night Gai bent the space and moved it out of the way. This isn't to say that Madara's lack of truthseekers didnt matter though.

BM Naruto isn't on EMS or Edo Madara's level. Neither is Obito. BSM Naruto can come down instead They are fine where they are, and EMS Sasuke doesn't belong on the same tier as Naruto. They can match each other in physical combat with their Avatars yet Sasuke's offensive power is far far far below what Naruto can dish out while Naruto can practically take anything he dishes out.

I know that BM Naruto isn't on Madara's level, which is why I stated that Madara should move up.

V3 Susano was matching the BM avatar just fine, so PS overpowers him.

Naruto doesn't belong in the same tier as his War Arc SM self. B and Obito are the only ones in that tier that demolish him in combat anyway, so they'd go on the high end while Naruto is at the lower end.

They aren't simply above him. The Gyuuki operates on an entirely different plane of power than KCM Naruto.

Why should they move up? If anything I should be moving Minato down.

Moving Minato below Rinnegan Obito without biju?

There isn't any difference between MS Obito and Rinnegan Obito without biju other than the ability to shoot stakes and manifest rods.

Nah, they aren't on the same level. We can compare feats, compare the power of people they fought etc, Jiraiya w/ Sage Mode is far superior to Tsunade, and Mei is definitely not on Tier 11. The vast majority if not all would destroy her in a fight.

She at the very least is on par with kakashi. I didn't see this before, but you have Hiruzen on the same tier as Choji and Hiashi.

Hiruzen was the only thing preventing Spiral Zetsu from massacring the alliance. Hiruzen would never be on the same tier as Hiashi.

Wasn't Kinkaku (or Gin? can't remember) defeated by people nowhere near the level of the people in Tier 11?

The weakest person that you have in tier 11 is kakashi. Darui+Alliance+Ino-Shika-Cho are far above Kakashi alone.

 

[KidGamer65]

But now we're arguing somehting else. You said Nagato beats Kakashi and i disagreed. Are you conceeding on Kakashi beating Nagato? As i showed in the scan, Nagato only realized the chakra pressure when the blood had already came out of Itachi's eye. And that's an MS amaterasu, which is a lot slower than Kamui. If he is put against Kamui he'd have to sense the chakra pressure and then react, and on this case, if he takes the same time he did with Itachi, he's screwed.

Kakashi beats nagato.

Sure, whatever floats your boat. If Kakashi starts off with Kamui he wins.

So now you're implying that everythinng gets paneled in the manga. Amaterasu is already shown to have a charge time, and there's absolutely no reason for EMS to nule this charge. Again, we see Sasuke still in one moment and on the other moment we see him landing Amaterasu, there's no reference to tell how much time passed between those 2 scans.

For MS, yes it has. I've already provided three scans of Sasuke using Amaterasu without this ridiculously large charge you keep speaking of so you can stop denying simple fact. The bold is how I know you are starting to grasp at straws. Lmfao. I mean really now?

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Sasuke is still and right after Tobirama's statement he charges forward. No time passed in between those two scans. If Amaterasu needed a charge for Sasuke we'd be seeing him close his eye or we would see a pause in between Tobirama's statement and Sasuke charging forward.

Sasuke charged Amaterasu from the period Kabuto was running until it was fired. I already said there's nothing that tells us when this happened, but it did happen. Amaterasu requires a charge time that is faster than Kabuto running from point A to point B and that's all we know. That's why i said EMS Sasuke's feats don't have a reference to tell how fast the charge time is.

Bold is based on nothing. And the rest is false.

Except that your explanation doesn't go with the scan.

Lol maybe if you'd sit down and actually read you'd realize how little sense what you are saying makes. At this point you are simply ignoring Manga fact so I should just ignore the rest of this nonsense.

Okay i can't take the bold seriously. So you're saying two things:
1- The flame wasn't completely spawned yet, so this means Amaterasu spawns slowly. This is even worse for your argument, but say thanks it doesn't make sense

2- If this were true, the little portion of Amaterasu that had already spawned on Ay would have followed him when he moved, since it spawned on him. Obviously the flame wasn't spawining on his body because it would be attached to it.

Also you ingored the fact that then the flame travelled until the samurai. Sasuke said "he dodged it". C's argument is irrelevant, because Amaterasu's hype is to ignite what the user sees, because of it's speed. But then we see Ay who's faster than Amaterasu, and he took a shit on this hype.

-C stated that it ignites what the user is looking at. This is the argument ender right here. Your counter is 110% illogical. "C's argument is false because Amaterasu's hype blah blah blah" even though that isn't hype, that's a factual description of how the jutsu works.
-Ay left Sasuke's line of sight before the technique could fully form. What you see "getting hit" is most likely his after image. I don't really care what explanation you want to come up with for that, but the fact of the matter is, Amaterasu doesn't travel.
-That is why Amaterasu didn't hit Ay.

You know what's even funnier, you say "Lol that's just C's hype, argument invalid" even though C states that Amaterasu IGNITES WHATEVER HE IS LOOKING AT seconds after seeing Ay dodge it.

Amaterasu traveling is again, the dumbest thing I've read all thread. When the Samura got hit he got knocked on the floor due to the force from it's travel, yet no one who got hit before that budged an inch backward when getting hit? I wonder why?

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Irrelevant

Didn't know that Manga facts were irrelevant. :lol

When you can prove that

Amaterasu prep + Amaterasu traveling is < Kamui prep + kamui warping in time then you have a point.

Already have.

Then by this statement, how would EMS make amaterasu faster?

EMS increases the effectiveness of all his MS techniques. "How" is irrelevant regardless because I have panels of the charge time being nonexistant.

Thanks for reminding me the Kaguya fight. Kakashi used Kamui faster than an ash bone travelled trough Kaguya's portal. With no showed prep at all. Sasuke can't match this.

Oh, you mean Rikudo Kakashi? Kamui's warp time is no different and the only thing that makes that feat impressive is that he was able to perceive and react to the ash bone in time.

Okay i'll support this for the fanfic on the month. Let's check on Ay, he should be a barbecue by now i guess. Since Amaterasu spawns instantly, LMAO (not to mention you're the one that just said "it hadn't spawned completely yet"). ROFL.

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You can cut the BS now.

The warp is fast enough to warp Sasuke before Amaterasu completes the travel. Since it requires less charge time by feats. Susano arrows at mid way and Kaguya feat are enough.

-Based on nothing.
-The Kaguya feat is irrelevant. We've already come to the conclusion that the charge time for small objects is almost non existent. Only thing that makes warping a fast object a good feat is Kakashi's reaction.

So until you explain well what you mean with "it hadn't completely spawned yet (which makes no sense because Ay's body was not spawned with flames when he dodged) then yes Amaterasu does travel. And you keep ignoring the fact that it traveled trough until it reached the samurai. When Ay dodged, the flames were on his previous position, and a few moments later they're several mts behind Ay's previous position. The fire packed momentum to travel, which it gained after it spawned. Amaterasu travels.

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2. Let's use common sense. If the flame spawns and the target has evaded, it will go forward since it can't hang suspended in mid air.

Amaterasu requires charge like any other jutsu and that's a fact. And Kakashi's feat against Kaguya trumps any feat from Sasuke.

-False.
-False.

The burden of proof is on you since you're the one who said that Sasuke fires Amaterasu and it hits Kakashi first.

Already have proven my side, if you want me to take your argument seriously, which I'm having a hard time doing given the content, then prove it. :lol

What we have for kamui is:

-It's charge time is almost non existant, since it was ready before susano arrows at mid way from a really short distance

Good thing the same applies to Amaterasu as Manga panels show.

-It's warping speed is enough to warp naruto completely before a stake that was 20 cm from his face hit him.

And you've yet to actually show me why this is a feat that lets him use Kamui and warp before Amaterasu ignites him. You just keep talking about the stake without showing me why warping before it could hit him is a feat that proves your point. Not sure how many times I have to repeat this before it gets through your head.

-Kakashi with no previous charge prepped Kamui and used it before an ash bone crossed between portals

Addressed.

Proof how Sasuke fires Amaterasu before Kakashi warps his head away. When it comes to small objects, its so fast that Obito didn't clearly see what happened:

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It happened in front of his face, and with a rinnegan and a sharingan Obito tought it was Naruto that made it go away. The warping speed >>>> Amaterasu's travelling speed (or spawning speed, whatever floats your boat. What Ay's feat tells us is that Amaterasu doesn't do shit until it reaches the target or until it spawns completely on it)

Are you really going to use this retarded argument again? Lol you tried the same thing before, but with Obito's stake and look where it got you. The fact that Obito thought that Naruto made his Rasengan vanish means that he saw it vanish. The only issue is that he didn't know why it vanished. As for this nonsense assertion:

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Kamui is perceivable, not like it matters anyway Amaterasu and Kamui's barrier spawn on the target nigh instantaneously, only thing is that the warp adds more time thus Kamui as a whole hits it's target before Amaterasu. Proof of Amaterasu being able to be used with little to no charge has been provided and your only counter argument is "he was doing it off panel, lol rikudo feat". :lol Let me just post this one more time.

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[Deadlift]

EMS Sasuke stronger than Nagato? No way

 

[Unorthodox]

Tier 0
Kaguya
Tier 1
JJ Hagoromo

Decent list overall

But how is Kaguya a tier above JJ Hagoromo who you believe negs Sasuke/w Bijuu? there is not 2 negs worth of power between Sasuke and Kaguya.

 

[Mishima]

Pretty good list, RG Sasuke should move up a tier though.

 

[EZQ]

Sure, whatever floats your boat. If Kakashi starts off with Kamui he wins.

Don't say whatever floats your boat. You yourself tried to argue that Nagato wins even if Kakashi starts with it.

For MS, yes it has. I've already provided three scans of Sasuke using Amaterasu without this ridiculously large charge you keep speaking of so you can stop denying simple fact. The bold is how I know you are starting to grasp at straws. Lmfao. I mean really now?

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Sasuke is still and right after Tobirama's statement he charges forward. No time passed in between those two scans. If Amaterasu needed a charge for Sasuke we'd be seeing him close his eye or we would see a pause in between Tobirama's statement and Sasuke charging forward.




Bold is based on nothing. And the rest is false.

Lol maybe if you'd sit down and actually read you'd realize how little sense what you are saying makes. At this point you are simply ignoring Manga fact so I should just ignore the rest of this nonsense.




-C stated that it ignites what the user is looking at. This is the argument ender right here. Your counter is 110% illogical. "C's argument is false because Amaterasu's hype blah blah blah" even though that isn't hype, that's a factual description of how the jutsu works.
-Ay left Sasuke's line of sight before the technique could fully form. What you see "getting hit" is most likely his after image. I don't really care what explanation you want to come up with for that, but the fact of the matter is, Amaterasu doesn't travel.
-That is why Amaterasu didn't hit Ay.

You know what's even funnier, you say "Lol that's just C's hype, argument invalid" even though C states that Amaterasu IGNITES WHATEVER HE IS LOOKING AT seconds after seeing Ay dodge it.

Amaterasu traveling is again, the dumbest thing I've read all thread. When the Samura got hit he got knocked on the floor due to the force from it's travel, yet no one who got hit before that budged an inch backward when getting hit? I wonder why?

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Didn't know that Manga facts were irrelevant. :lol






Already have.






EMS increases the effectiveness of all his MS techniques. "How" is irrelevant regardless because I have panels of the charge time being nonexistant.



Oh, you mean Rikudo Kakashi? Kamui's warp time is no different and the only thing that makes that feat impressive is that he was able to perceive and react to the ash bone in time.







You can cut the BS now.




-Based on nothing.
-The Kaguya feat is irrelevant. We've already come to the conclusion that the charge time for small objects is almost non existent. Only thing that makes warping a fast object a good feat is Kakashi's reaction.






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2. Let's use common sense. If the flame spawns and the target has evaded, it will go forward since it can't hang suspended in mid air.




-False.
-False.



Already have proven my side, if you want me to take your argument seriously, which I'm having a hard time doing given the content, then prove it. :lol



Good thing the same applies to Amaterasu as Manga panels show.

And you've yet to actually show me why this is a feat that lets him use Kamui and warp before Amaterasu ignites him. You just keep talking about the stake without showing me why warping before it could hit him is a feat that proves your point. Not sure how many times I have to repeat this before it gets through your head.


Addressed.



Are you really going to use this retarded argument again? Lol you tried the same thing before, but with Obito's stake and look where it got you. The fact that Obito thought that Naruto made his Rasengan vanish means that he saw it vanish. The only issue is that he didn't know why it vanished. As for this nonsense assertion:

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Kamui is perceivable, not like it matters anyway Amaterasu and Kamui's barrier spawn on the target nigh instantaneously, only thing is that the warp adds more time thus Kamui as a whole hits it's target before Amaterasu. Proof of Amaterasu being able to be used with little to no charge has been provided and your only counter argument is "he was doing it off panel, lol rikudo feat". :lol Let me just post this one more time.

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Okay, since the only relevant point that is Amaterasu spawining on Ay, and your explanation being complete bull crap ;

"Ay left Sasuke's line of sight before the technique could fully form. What you see "getting hit" is most likely his after image"

The underlined in that sentence is the only thing that makes sense. Oh, wait.

So yes.

1-You ignored AGAIN the fact that amaterasu traveled to reach the samurai. Your "it travelled because it can't be suspended on air" is nothing more than bullshit. It obviously packs momentum behind it. Why? Because it was travelling.

2-You ignored AGAIN that the flame was already there. No after image. Don't pull things out of your ass.

ITS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE FIRE WAS ALREADY SPAWNED AND IT WAS CLOSE TO AY'S BODY, AND AY DODGED.

Nobody agrees with your line of thinking here and it's pretty clear. So i'd just dump this thread since i can't take your counter seriously. My previous post left it clear and i'm not wasting more time on this argument, that is becoming really long.

Thanks for the joke tho. That asspul about the Ay scan has kept me laughing seriously. "the after image" lol.


OKAY TO FINALLY KILL THIS STUPID ARGUMENT AND YOU KG DON'T EVEN BOTHER ON POSTING AGAIN

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I hope everyone seeing this thread now comprehends that KG was reading my arguments like a 5 yr old, decided to completely ignore logic and now, we've a manga scan about AMATERASU TRAVELLING.

Good looks. I expect my apologies on my VP.

Unless of course this guy tries to argue that Itachi was using Kagutsuchi there, or that Itachi's amaterasu travels but sasuke's doesn't. Anyways, whatever you post KG, i doubt it's worth answering back.

 

[Raykyryn]

^Amaterasu appears directly on the target if its used from short range, the databook even specifies that its a short ranged technique.

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Also, Itachis amaterasu clearly travelled only after it appeared on Sasukes line of run.

 

[EZQ]

^Amaterasu appears directly on the target if its used from short range, the databook even specifies that its a short ranged technique.

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Also, Itachis amaterasu clearly travelled only after it appeared on Sasukes line of run.

Watever floats your boat. Once it appears, it travels. So it doesn't spawn on the target's body. That's why Ay dodged.

/Argument

 

[Eng nawashi]

It isnt that hard to be uderstood ,w/feats and only feats if kakashi and any amatrasu user started charging thier kamui/amatrasu at the same time ,kakashi would charge kamui and warp this said amatrasu user's head before the amatrasu user even finish charging amatrasu
When amatrasu ,whoever the user is, gets a feat of being charged and used in a matter of milliseconds ,like when human+++ sized kamui was charged and used against susano arrows or like when kakashi charged and used kamui on the rasengan kicked by someone physically as strong as jin madara ,then we can talk
As EZQ said ,a scan of sasuke using amatrasu would never touch the water if there is no reference to determine how much time it took to be charged Lol.
Feats is the only thing that makes my/your word more reliable than your/my word ,otherwise we will enter my word against your word limitless argument

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay, since the only relevant point that is Amaterasu spawining on Ay, and your explanation being complete bull crap ;

"Ay left Sasuke's line of sight before the technique could fully form. What you see "getting hit" is most likely his after image"

The underlined in that sentence is the only thing that makes sense. Oh, wait.

So yes.

EZQ, you can bitch all you want for an explanation, it won't change the facts.

1-You ignored AGAIN the fact that amaterasu traveled to reach the samurai. Your "it travelled because it can't be suspended on air" is nothing more than bullshit. It obviously packs momentum behind it. Why? Because it was travelling.

Is everyone reading this idiot's posts? It went backwards because it can't be suspended in air, and because it missed it's original target. I've already posted multiple scans showing that when it hits it's target it has zero momentum behind it whereas it knocked a samurai flat on his ass after the original target was missed. Then we have C saying it spawns and yet we have this dimwit arguing that it travels. :lol Typing in caps doesn't help you when your point exists nowhere besides your **** cavity.

2-You ignored AGAIN that the flame was already there. No after image. Don't pull things out of your ass.

I already addressed this.

Nobody agrees with your line of thinking here and it's pretty clear. So i'd just dump this thread since i can't take your counter seriously. My previous post left it clear and i'm not wasting more time on this argument, that is becoming really long.

Lmfaoo

-General consensus among everyone that discusses Naruto is that Amaterasu spawns.
-Poster above me says that it spawns.
-Dimwit thinks "nobody agrees with me". :lol Please stop. You sound dumb, as usual.

OKAY TO FINALLY KILL THIS STUPID ARGUMENT AND YOU KG DON'T EVEN BOTHER ON POSTING AGAIN

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I hope everyone seeing this thread now comprehends that KG was reading my arguments like a 5 yr old, decided to completely ignore logic and now, we've a manga scan about AMATERASU TRAVELLING.

Good looks. I expect my apologies on my VP.

Unless of course this guy tries to argue that Itachi was using Kagutsuchi there, or that Itachi's amaterasu travels but sasuke's doesn't. Anyways, whatever you post KG, i doubt it's worth answering back.

Raykyryn already posted a scan that pretty much obliterates your argument, but I guess since he didn't explain (which no one should have to) your dimwitted ass didn't get the point. Even worse you completely ignored the scan because you are just too asshurt to admit that you sound like a moron claiming it travels from Sasuke's eye to the target like a bullet would travel from the gun to the target.

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If Amaterasu traveled it would've melted all the ice in between Sasuke's eyes and Sasuke's hand, yet we can clearly see that only the ice around his hand has been melted. I wonder why? But you'll just do what you do best and ignore every piece of evidence that disproves your argument and continue to carry your BS beliefs despite them being smashed apart. But since we are discussing Kakashi's ace move I'm not surprised at the amount of foolishness in your posts.

As for your Itachi scan, stop being an idiot and read the Manga. Do you see Amaterasu traveling from Itachi's eye to Sasuke's position? No. Amaterasu spawns where the user is looking. Manga. Fact. Itachi used Amaterasu where Sasuke was, spawned it in Position A and as he moved his eye to follow Sasuke's path the flame chases him as it's being spawned all across the path Sasuke is taking. If this is too complicated for you to understand then ask me to dumb it down for you. :lol


And yes, you got negged because you are acting like an insufferable retard for absolutely no reason.

 

[Beans2]

EZQ, Kidgamer is right. That scan of Amaterasu melting the ice says it all.

On another note, why does Haizaki always dislike my posts with no explanation? Wish he would post so I can dislike him back.

 

[Haizaki]

EZQ, Kidgamer is right. That scan of Amaterasu melting the ice says it all.

On another note, why does Haizaki always dislike my posts with no explanation? Wish he would post so I can dislike him back.

WTF...It wasn't even personal on a serious note. Like we haven't seen people dislike other people's post without dropping reasons especially considering I COULD NOT do so at that point and because I'm less interested in debating these days and I recall being in a car so only having access to my phone then. The mere fact that you singled this out shows how much these things mean to you. Smh

Dude really said he wishes I could post so he can return the non existent favor I can't wait to receive. This goofy can't be serious Lmao.

- Pain cannot be inside a summon and resort to CST or even CT. Especially with the likes of Gai around..His firepower and speed makes that hard. Especially considering one needs to track and react in accordance to hit an opponent with that attack but with such speed? Plus the fact Gai can kill the sunmon. Or attack Pain with AT once he spots him since Gai is faster and has insane reactions.
- Gai starts in the 7th Gate not base. Your post acts like it's in reference to his base state from the start when OP makes things clear by putting 8G Gai in a different Tier showing it's not just in reference to Gai as a whole but his full power but you kept pointing out something else.

Funny because I checked the thread to give my take on what you said because I could only do so now but if I couldn't you'll be whining and crying like this? Ice and some guys have disliked my post without giving reasons. VM them asking them what's up with them doing so if you so curious. How the fuq you gonna call one out here for doing that? Especially when that post which was the ONLY one I disliked here was nowhere near perfect. Smh. Guess we all gonna call out those guys disliking and not responding cuz they don't feel like then or because they couldn't because clearly you in every side of the world? Hope you don't carry this stupid attitude to 2016. Trip...I'll probably start being careful because it's your post. Hope you didn't think that lil kid.

 

[Warlocks]

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If Amaterasu traveled it would've melted all the ice in between Sasuke's eyes and Sasuke's hand.

that clear up all doubt/confusion at list mine

 

[Blue or gold dress]

You should get a gold award. :bdpf:

 

[Beans2]

WTF...It wasn't even personal on a serious note. Like we haven't seen people dislike other people's post without dropping reasons especially considering I COULD NOT do so at that point and because I'm less interested in debating these days and I recall being in a car so only having access to my phone then. The mere fact that you singled this out shows how much these things mean to you. Smh

Dude really said he wishes I could post so he can return the non existent favor I can't wait to receive. This goofy can't be serious Lmao.

Fam. I just want to know why you disliked the post cause I don't see anything wrong with what I said. You always are disliking my posts without posting in the thread and you know like lowkey (really low key) I was getting my feelings hurt because I respect you smh. Because tards dislike my posts all the time but idc because theyre tards. But when Haizaki dislikes my posts I start feeling some type of way. So yeah what I said wasn't even meant to be taken so serious but an explanation is all I'm looking for.

- Pain cannot be inside a summon and resort to CST or even CT. Especially with the likes of Gai around..His firepower and speed makes that hard. Especially considering one needs to track and react in accordance to hit an opponent with that attack but with such speed? Plus the fact Gai can kill the sunmon. Or attack Pain with AT once he spots him since Gai is faster and has insane reactions.
- Gai starts in the 7th Gate not base. Your post acts like it's in reference to his base state from the start when OP makes things clear by putting 8G Gai in a different Tier showing it's not just in reference to Gai as a whole but his full power but you kept pointing out something else.

Yeah he can. Chamaleon's mouth open, then splat. Shinra Tensei.

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Now replace the chamaleon with the Cerberus, who Gai can't kill given its feat of

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. The dog opens its mouth and Deva uses CST, and Gai dies. Or, Deva just releases the CT orb inside the Cerberus and then Gai can't destroy it with AT because the dog is shielding it.

The only way Gai can beat Pain is if he blitzes before several of the paths enter the summon's mouth. And even if that were to be the case it doesn't show that Gai is on the same tier as Pain because this is a tier list, not a matchup. Pain's trump cards+regular ST and BT+Preta hax+a bunch of other useful abilities definitely puts him above Gai when you compare them in power.

If "7th Gate Gai" just meant that Gai starts in 7G, there's nothing stopping him from opening the final gate and beating everyone in his tier. Which is what OP obviously didn't intend. What he meant is that the 7th Gate is the highest gate this Gai can open, which is why he has unrestricted Gai on another tier. If Gai starts in 7th Gate he could blitz Nagato and win, he could kill Kabuto with Hirudora right off the bat and win, he could blitz literally everyone in his tier and the tier above him, heck he can even blitz EMS Sasuke before he puts up Susanoo given his feat of pushing back JJ Madara. Just like how "8th Gate Gai" on Tier 5 doesn't actually start in 8th Gate otherwise he'd shitblitz the people in his tier and the people in the tier above him. Do you see where I'm going with this? Tier lists put overall power first. Don't think KG meant Gai starts in 7G, but a simple solution to this argument is just to ask him lol.

Funny because I checked the thread to give my take on what you said because I could only do so now but if I couldn't you'll be whining and crying like this? Ice and some guys have disliked my post without giving reasons. VM them asking them what's up with them doing so if you so curious. How the fuq you gonna call one out here for doing that? Especially when that post which was the ONLY one I disliked here was nowhere near perfect. Smh. Guess we all gonna call out those guys disliking and not responding cuz they don't feel like then or because they couldn't because clearly you in every side of the world? Hope you don't carry this stupid attitude to 2016. Trip...I'll probably start being careful because it's your post. Hope you didn't think that lil kid.

Lol bruh do not flip out on me. I didn't say anything incorrect in my post and more than 24 hours later you hadn't said anything to follow up so I assumed you just weren't gonna post. Pretty often you dislike my posts and don't say anything even if I'm making good points (and end up being right) and it was only on this thread that I ended up actually saying something about it. Like what do you even disagree with in my post lol? Pain beating Gai? Gai's tier placement? Because I actually want to hear a reason why you think Gai belongs in the same tier as Kabuto, Edo Itachi, and Pain.

 

[Uchihakil]

Jj hagoromo is stronger than hamura, hags without juubi or 9 bijuus chakra is equal to hamura, and kabutos edo army is well above orochimarus, you said without hashirama which is oros strongest asset, sage mode kabuto is superior to oro, kabuto has nagato,itachi,gin/kin bros,muu,gengetsu,muu edo akatsuki members and some others like hanzou,kimmi,chiyo and some fodders that will overwhelm team oro

 

[TRE MERCER]

Naruto is stronger than Sasuke but for them not to be in the same tier is foolery when you have Triple Rinnegan Madara in the same tier as JJ Hagoromo.

If we take the Juubi away from both of them Hagoromo would be be able to slaughter Madara since he'll have better chakra reserves and a Susanoo that is atleast 2x greater than that of Sasuke.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Naruto is stronger than Sasuke but for them not to be in the same tier is foolery when you have Triple Rinnegan Madara in the same tier as JJ Hagoromo.

If we take the Juubi away from both of them Hagoromo would be be able to slaughter Madara since he'll have better chakra reserves and a Susanoo that is atleast 2x greater than that of Sasuke.

IT chakra puts Madara a tier above everyone else but isn't stronger than Hagoromo hence the "Gap".