Tier List v2

[KidGamer65]

Cause I felt like it. Not in order btw.


Tier 0

Kaguya



Tier 1

JJ Hagoromo
Tenseigan Hamura

-gap-

Rinne Sharingan Madara

Tier 2

RSM Naruto
JJ Madara
Adult Sasuke
Adult Naruto
Hagoromo Ootsutsuki
Hamura Ootsutsuki
Fused Momoshiki

Tier 3

RG Sasuke


Tier 4

Juubito
DMS Kakashi
Toneri
Base Rikduo Naruto
One eyed Madara w/ Shinju
Indra
Asura

Tier 5


SM Hashirama
EMS Madara w/ Kurama
Eighth Gate Gai


Tier 6

Orochimaru w/ Edo Tensei (Minus Hashirama)
EMS Madara
Edo Madara
Kabuto w/ Edo Tensei (minus Madara)

Tier 7

BSM Naruto
Rinnegan Obito w/ Bijuu
BM Naruto
Base Hashirama



Tier 8

EMS Sasuke


Tier 9

Kinshiki
Nagato (Rejuvenated)


Tier 10

KCM Minato
KCM Naruto
Killer B
Rinnegan Obito w/o Bijuu
SM Kabuto
Edo Itachi
Six Paths of Pain

Tier 11
7G Gai
Base Minato
Tobirama
Itachi
MS Obito
War Arc SM Naruto
War Arc Kakashi
Mu
2nd Mizukage
Gaara
Third Raikage
MS Sasuke (Post Danzo fight)
Kisame

-gap-

Danzo Shimura
Hanzo
Jiraiya
Orochimaru
Onoki
Ay





Tier 12

Kinkaku
Ginkaku
Sasori
Mei
Tsunade
Hiruzen
Hebi Sasuke
Base Jiraiya
Kakuzu
Killer B [Base]
Deidara
4th Kazekage
Sakura
Choji
Konan
Kitsuchi
6G Lee
Hiashi



Tier 13

Kimimaro
Mifune
Temari
Zabuza
Hidan
Neji
Sai
Dodai
Kankuro
Asuma
Chiyo
Jugo
Suigetsu
Darui
Yamato

 

[EZQ]

-I think that in tier 5, you should put Gai (gap) and then the others. He lacks the fire power i know, but he putperforms anyone on that tier for the simple fact that he wouldn't even give the opponent time to use their raw power techniques.

-I didn't see the Boruto movie, but i tought fused Momoshiki was >> Naruto and Sasuke one by one.

-Yamato is not one tier above the likes of Hidan, Mifune, Kankuro etc.. Nor is Darui. Look you just put them on the same tier Deidara is. (Unless this is raikage darui ? )

-7G Gai is not one tier above War arc Kakashi considered his kamui hax imo

Agree with the rest.

 

[LuckyMan]

Is that Teen Naruto and Adult Naruto in the same tier? If so then Adult Naruto needs his own tier above them but still below Tier 1 he's stronger than his Teen self.

 

[lelerskates]

JJ Hagoromo
Tenseigan Hamura

That's where your list fails. Tenseigan Hamura as strong as a JUUBI JIN Hagoromo?

Never in your wildest dreams.

For the sake of argument lets pretend that Rinnegan and Tenseigan are equal... you mean to tell me that Hago was weaker than Hamura when he only had rinnegan? And only became equal to him once he was the Juubi jin? HA! As far as the manga goes, Hamura has no real feats. He helped Hago seal a version 1 Juubi. Hashirama himself was able to subdue the Juubi by himself at one point. By feats Hamura is weaker than Hashi but you wanna put him on the same level as a Juubi jin? lolollololl

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Why is Oro tier above Kabuto ?

Without Edo DSM Kabuto > Any version of Orochimaru

Kabuto Edo have way more charachters like Edo Madara (who stealmated edo Hashirama in manga),Nagato,Itachi,Kakuzu,3 raikage,Mu,Second mizukage,Hanzo,Kimimaro,Hiashi brother, 6 Jinchurikis and rest of them.

Oro edo only have 4 kages which is not enough to beat Kabuto Edo army.

 

[LuckyMan]

That's where your list fails. Tenseigan Hamura as strong as a JUUBI JIN Hagoromo?

Never in your wildest dreams.

For the sake of argument lets pretend that Rinnegan and Tenseigan are equal... you mean to tell me that Hago was weaker than Hamura when he only had rinnegan? And only became equal to him once he was the Juubi jin? HA! As far as the manga goes, Hamura has no real feats. He helped Hago seal a version 1 Juubi. Hashirama himself was able to subdue the Juubi by himself at one point. By feats Hamura is weaker than Hashi but you wanna put him on the same level as a Juubi jin? lolollololl

Hamura in the same tier doesn't mean he can beat Hagoromo. The tier is just where he is level wise. Is he on his brothers level? Absolutely, it took both of them to beat Kaguya. Now can he beat his brother? Probably not. But he's still greater than everyone below him.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

That's where your list fails. Tenseigan Hamura as strong as a JUUBI JIN Hagoromo?

Never in your wildest dreams.

For the sake of argument lets pretend that Rinnegan and Tenseigan are equal... you mean to tell me that Hago was weaker than Hamura when he only had rinnegan? And only became equal to him once he was the Juubi jin? HA! As far as the manga goes, Hamura has no real feats. He helped Hago seal a version 1 Juubi. Hashirama himself was able to subdue the Juubi by himself at one point. By feats Hamura is weaker than Hashi but you wanna put him on the same level as a Juubi jin? lolollololl

You realise that Hagoromo too is featless

 

[Beans2]

7th Gate Gai needs to move down 1.

 

[lelerskates]

You realise that Hagoromo too is featless

A dead Hagoromo has more feats than alive hamura. The story revolves around the sage of six paths. while it only mentions hamura a few times. Hamura isn't on the same tier as as a juubi jin hago. They were on the same teir as they were fighting the juubi, once the juubi was put into hago he became much stronger than hamura.

Again, use common sense...

Base Hago = Base hamura
Rinnegan Hago = Tenseigan Hamura
Juubi-jin Rinnegan hago >>> Tenseigan Hamura

 

[lelerskates]

Now can he beat his brother? Probably not. But he's still greater than everyone below him.

Nope. He isn't.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Why isn't Rinnegan Sasuke in the same tier as RSM Naruto?

 

[ARGUS]

7th Gate Gai needs to move down 1.

Nah no way. His feats trump Kakashis
Firepower to bust V3 and speed to easily outrun TSB which were faster than kamui movements

Cause I felt like it. Not in order btw.


Tier 0

Kaguya



Tier 1

JJ Hagoromo
Tenseigan Hamura

All good here

-gap-

Rinne Sharingan Madara

I don't think he's in JIn hagoromos level
He should be a tier down

Tier 2

RSM Naruto
JJ Madara
Adult Sasuke
Adult Naruto
Hagoromo Ootsutsuki
Hamura Ootsutsuki
Fused Momoshiki

All good

Tier 3

RG Sasuke

All good

Tier 4

Juubito
DMS Kakashi
Toneri
Base Rikduo Naruto
One eyed Madara w/ Shinju
Indra
Asura

Juubito should move down a tier where he is on his own. Honestly he doesn't stand a chance against anyone in this list. Especially people like Indra, ashura Madara and Kakashi

Indra and ashura should move up a tier on their own these guys are like slightly weaker versions of Rikudo Naruto and sasuke
They would almost stomp most of these guys here

Tier 5

Orochimaru w/ Edo Tensei (All Edo Hokage included)
SM Hashirama
EMS Madara w/ Kurama
Eighth Gate Gai

All good here. Though I would have preferred to have 8th gate guy and juubito to be a tier above on their own. But this seems fine because guy isnt always beating them unless he blitzes

Tier 6

Kabuto w/ Edo Tensei
EMS Madara
Edo Madara

-gap-

BSM Naruto

All good here.
Naruto can honestly go on the tier below

Tier 7

Rinnegan Obito w/ Bijuu
BM Naruto
EMS Sasuke
Base Hashirama
Kinshiki

EMS Sasuke and Kinshiki should go down a tier on their own

Tier 8

Nagato (Rejuvenated)


Tier 9

KCM Minato
KCM Naruto
Killer B
Rinnegan Obito w/o Bijuu
SM Kabuto
Edo Itachi
7G Gai
Six Paths of Pain

All good.
Edo Tobirama can be added here as well

Tier 10

Base Minato
Tobirama
MS Obito
War Arc SM Naruto
War Arc Kakashi
Mu
2nd Mizukage
Gaara
Third Raikage
MS Sasuke (Danzo fight)
Sick Itachi
Kisame
Danzo Shimura
Hanzo
Jiraiya
Orochimaru
Onoki
Ay
Kinkaku
Ginkaku

This tier should be divided a little
Minato, Tobirama. Kakashi and Itachi are well above some here

 

[KidGamer65]

-I think that in tier 5, you should put Gai (gap) and then the others. He lacks the fire power i know, but he putperforms anyone on that tier for the simple fact that he wouldn't even give the opponent time to use their raw power techniques.

Nah. Not giving someone time to use a tech isn't any kind of power. If he doesn't have something, whether it be speed, power, etc, that lets him contend with or trump someone's ace then he doesn't go above them.

-I didn't see the Boruto movie, but i tought fused Momoshiki was >> Naruto and Sasuke one by one.

No. They are all on par. The only issue is that Momoshiki can absorb Ninjutsu thus they were forced to use Taijutsu. Once PS and Kurama came out he got one shotted.

-Yamato is not one tier above the likes of Hidan, Mifune, Kankuro etc.. Nor is Darui. Look you just put them on the same tier Deidara is. (Unless this is raikage darui ? )

This is a part I forgot to edit. I'll change that.

-7G Gai is not one tier above War arc Kakashi considered his kamui hax imo

Agree with the rest.

7G Gai would demolish him in combat and defeat people that Kakashi can't defeat, so they are definitely not on the same level.

Is that Teen Naruto and Adult Naruto in the same tier? If so then Adult Naruto needs his own tier above them but still below Tier 1 he's stronger than his Teen self.

Adult Naruto isn't that much stronger than his Teen self.

That's where your list fails. Tenseigan Hamura as strong as a JUUBI JIN Hagoromo?

Never in your wildest dreams.

For the sake of argument lets pretend that Rinnegan and Tenseigan are equal... you mean to tell me that Hago was weaker than Hamura when he only had rinnegan? And only became equal to him once he was the Juubi jin? HA! As far as the manga goes, Hamura has no real feats. He helped Hago seal a version 1 Juubi. Hashirama himself was able to subdue the Juubi by himself at one point. By feats Hamura is weaker than Hashi but you wanna put him on the same level as a Juubi jin? lolollololl

Is this clown really talking about feats when Hagoromo has none? Anyway, read the Manga.

-Tenseigan and Rinnegan's equality being true or not (which it isn't) is irrelevant.
-Why would Hagoromo be weaker than Hamura w/o Rinnegan? Logic, use it.

1. Hagoromo w/ Rinnegan and Hamura w/ Tenseigan are on par.
2. Hagoromo w/ Juubi and Hamura w/ Tenseigan are on the same level, but Hagoromo is still stronger.

Hamura didn't have Tenseigan when he fought Kaguya. :lol Next time read the Manga and then get at me.

Why is Oro tier above Kabuto ?

Without Edo DSM Kabuto > Any version of Orochimaru

Kabuto Edo have way more charachters like Edo Madara (who stealmated edo Hashirama in manga),Nagato,Itachi,Kakuzu,3 raikage,Mu,Second mizukage,Hanzo,Kimimaro,Hiashi brother, 6 Jinchurikis and rest of them.

Kabuto has quantity, but the majority of people in his army are fodders in a high level fight. The only major factors that remain are Edo Hashirama, Edo Madara and Edo Minato.

Edo Hashirama=Edo Madara.

BM Minato w/ support from Hashirama's clones and the other two Hokage>The main players of Kabuto's army, which would be Mu (only due to invisibility and Jinton, which is useless since Hiruzen can sniff him out and Minato's negative emotions sensing can feel him), Nagato and Itachi. The rest are fodder.

Though I made this list assuming Edo Hashi can use SS, and that just makes it even more unbalanced. You could argue them being in the same tier (Hashi would move down) based on the Manga performance, but even then I doubt it. :lol

Why isn't Rinnegan Sasuke in the same tier as RSM Naruto?

Because they aren't on par obviously. Sasuke needed Bijuu to match Naruto.

All good here

I don't think he's in JIn hagoromos level
He should be a tier down

With IT chakra he is. Since he can't absorb it he can just use it with his Susanoo like Sasuke did.

Juubito should move down a tier where he is on his own. Honestly he doesn't stand a chance against anyone in this list. Especially people like Indra, ashura Madara and Kakashi

If he goes down then Base Rikudo Naruto goes down too. Besides, the power gap between them isn't large enough to put them a whole tier below.

Indra and ashura should move up a tier on their own these guys are like slightly weaker versions of Rikudo Naruto and sasuke
They would almost stomp most of these guys here

Naruto and Sasuke have half of Hagoromo's power, they don't. They are far weaker versions of Naruto and Sasuke.

All good here. Though I would have preferred to have 8th gate guy and juubito to be a tier above on their own. But this seems fine because guy isnt always beating them unless he blitzes

Aight.

All good here.
Naruto can honestly go on the tier below

EMS Sasuke and Kinshiki should go down a tier on their own

Agreed.

Edo Tobirama can be added here as well

Will do.

This tier should be divided a little
Minato, Tobirama. Kakashi and Itachi are well above some here

Ok. I'll split it up.

 

[KidGamer65]

7th Gate Gai needs to move down 1.

Spoiler

Base Minato
Tobirama
MS Obito
War Arc SM Naruto
War Arc Kakashi
Mu
2nd Mizukage
Gaara
Third Raikage
MS Sasuke (Danzo fight)
Sick Itachi
Kisame
Danzo Shimura
Hanzo
Jiraiya
Orochimaru
Onoki
Ay
Kinkaku
Ginkaku

There is not one person on this list that pushes Gai to high diff. They are all low, low-mid, or mid diff fights with the exception of Tobirama and Minato, which is mid-high.

KCM Minato
KCM Naruto
Killer B
Rinnegan Obito w/o Bijuu
SM Kabuto
Edo Itachi
7G Gai
Six Paths of Pain

Gai can comfortably defeat Minato and Naruto, loses to Obito and Itachi, and might be able to defeat Pain. It depends. Same with Kabuto, it depends. He's fine where he is.

 

[EZQ]

Nah. Not giving someone time to use a tech isn't any kind of power. If he doesn't have something, whether it be speed, power, etc, that lets him contend with or trump someone's ace then he doesn't go above them.

He beats everyone on that tier. But i get what you're saying.

In a VS matchup where they all start without an avatar out or something like that, he gets the same result as the others tho. Either via power (Madara, Hashirama,) or via Speedblitz like Gai. But by just power and techniques it's true, he's on their level. I still think there's a small gap.

No. They are all on par. The only issue is that Momoshiki can absorb Ninjutsu thus they were forced to use Taijutsu. Once PS and Kurama came out he got one shotted.

K thanks for clarifying. Why didn't susano get absorbed in the movie then?

This is a part I forgot to edit. I'll change that.

Okay. Also Zabuza is tier 1

7G Gai would demolish him in combat

Yes. (If he starts with the 7th gate opened)

and defeat people that Kakashi can't defeat, so they are definitely not on the same level.

And it's also the other way around.

Kakashi can beat Nagato, Gai can't. Kakashi can beat Deidara, Gai can't (depending on distance), Kakashi can beat sandaime raikage, Gai can't, etc..

Kakashi stands a higher chance against PS users like Sasuke or Madara since it doesn't block LoS, while Gai doesn't. They were also portrayed to be equal until 8g. Kakashi only admits inferiority when that happenssuperior, but not on a different tier

 

[KidGamer65]

He beats everyone on that tier. But i get what you're saying.

In a VS matchup where they all start without an avatar out or something like that, he gets the same result as the others tho. Either via power (Madara, Hashirama,) or via Speedblitz like Gai. But by just power and techniques it's true, he's on their level. I still think there's a small gap.

Only if he blitzes. Otherwise he loses to everyone except maybe Hashirama due to him not being protected. Speed blitzing your opponent isn't a display of strength so there's no way he's stronger with a gap. He's below, but he can go on their level. For example:

-Put anyone in that tier against JJ madara.
-Have JJ Madara use the same techs and act the same way he did against Gai.
-Tell me who does better assuming Madara doesn't blitz.

1. Hashirama would outright kill him.
2. Madara would kill him if it weren't for Onmyodon.
3. Oro would kill him due to having Hashirama and Minato.

K thanks for clarifying. Why didn't susano get absorbed in the movie then?

I wish I knew.

Okay. Also Zabuza is tier 1

Lmfao.

Yes. (If he starts with the 7th gate opened)

Since we are ranking placement here that doesn't really matter.

And it's also the other way around.

Kakashi can beat Nagato, Gai can't. Kakashi can beat Deidara, Gai can't (depending on distance), Kakashi can beat sandaime raikage, Gai can't, etc..

Kakashi stands a higher chance against PS users like Sasuke or Madara since it doesn't block LoS, while Gai doesn't. They were also portrayed to be equal until 8g. Kakashi only admits inferiority when that happenssuperior, but not on a different tier

Lol.

1. Kakashi doesn't beat Nagato.
2. Gai demolishes Deidara. "Depending on distance" doesn't make sense. I could easily make the distance long enough to where Kakashi himself stands no chance. Put them in the same exact conditions and Gai kills him easily.
3. Agreed with Raikage.

But that doesn't matter. Gai can defeat stronger opponents than Kakashi can even w/ Kamui thus he's stronger.

-Can beat KCM Naruto.
-Can beat KCM and Base minato.
-Can beat Tobirama.
-Can beat Kabuto, possibly.

etc. Even if he want to talk about PS users, they have weaker techniques that easily let them get around Kamui so even then it doesn't matter.

-If the match starts and Amaterasu is used, Kakashi dies.
-Madara has clones. Madara can block LoS with his Gunbai, or with any widespread Katon.

 

[lelerskates]

Lmao, what in the hell is your dumbass on about? I'm going to dumb this down even further since it seems comprehending the basic English language is too much to ask of you?

1. Their respective eye powers are not on par. Get that nonsense out of your head.
2. Hamura=Hagoromo during the Kaguya fight. DB states that she split power among them evenly (and not half of her total power before you start spouting more BS)
3. Juubi and Tenseigan give similar power ups. Both grant Six Paths Senjutsu. (Gudo Dama are possessed by users of both eyes so please for the love of God don't dispute)

The only thing here is that the Juubi's power up is superior, but going by Toneri's buff it's easily enough to push Hamura to a new tier. If you could actually read, then you would realize that nobody ever said that Hagoromo w/ Juubi is only a little stronger than Tenseigan Hamura nor did anyone say that Tenseigan Hamura and Rinnegan Hagoromo are on par nor did anyone say that Rinnegan and Tenseigan are on par.

Reply with something worth addressing plz or gtfo.

And again, I'm telling you they aren't on the same tier. Not even close. And that JJ Hago is so much stronger than Hamura with tenseigan. What are you having a hard time understanding. And if you read my first post, I explained that "FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT, LETSS PRETEND RINNEGAN AND TENSEIGAN ARE ON EQUAL LEVEL"

You put Hamura on a higher level than Naruto and Sasuke. Both of which made easy work of JJ Madara after they got Hagos chakra. JJ Madara, the one who had his power and the Juubis full power.

I also like the fact that you are taking non-canon feats from a character who isn't hamura and giving it to him. Also considering that A Naruto who no longer had ridoku chakra beat him with 1 bijuu but yet you wanna say that Hamuras powerup from tenseigan would make him exponentionally more powerful with no real facts that back it up.

 

[lelerskates]

-Can beat KCM Naruto.
-Can beat KCM and Base minato.
-Can beat Tobirama.
-Can beat Kabuto, possibly.

Hell no he cant. 7G Gai can beat them? LOL

Minato already proved through manga fact hes faster than even 8g gai though FTG and Tobirama is basically Minato. KCM Naruto is just as fast at 7g gai if not faster. He dodged Raikages fastest attack. What real speed feat has gai shown in 7G? He also has a time limit in 7G before his body cant handle it anymore. And Kabuto? LOL Hes basically immune to physical attacks. Gai aint doing shit to him.

From what ive seen this list is more based on which characters you like and should be where based on your opinion rather then by going on actually feats. Hence why your list is shit.

 

[KidGamer65]

And again, I'm telling you they aren't on the same tier. Not even close. And that JJ Hago is so much stronger than Hamura with tenseigan. What are you having a hard time understanding. And if you read my first post, I explained that "FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT, LETSS PRETEND RINNEGAN AND TENSEIGAN ARE ON EQUAL LEVEL"

You put Hamura on a higher level than Naruto and Sasuke. Both of which made easy work of JJ Madara after they got Hagos chakra. JJ Madara, the one who had his power and the Juubis full power.

I also like the fact that you are taking non-canon feats from a character who isn't hamura and giving it to him. Also considering that A Naruto who no longer had ridoku chakra beat him with 1 bijuu but yet you wanna say that Hamuras powerup from tenseigan would make him exponentionally more powerful with no real facts that back it up.

Uh, no. I don't care about your little condition. I'm not goign to "pretend" that they are on an equal level for the sake of your flawed argument when in reality they aren't. You are basically complaining to me saying that I think JJ Hagoromo>=Tenseigan Hamura=RG Hagoromo based on the bold even though the only one in this thread who claimed the bold is you. :lol As for the rest of this post:

-JJ Hagoromo is not "so much stronger" than Hamura w/ Tenseigan. I'm waiting for you to actually counter my argument instead of bringing irrelevant support.

-Lmfao. They made easy work of ONE EYED MADARA. "Full power of the Juubi" is irrelevant. JJ Madara didn't reach Hagoromo (w/o Juubi) until he got the Juubi and both his eyes and that is a Manga fact so don't dispute it. Please. Naruto nor Sasuke on their own w/ the powers Hagoromo gave them and nothing more can defeat JJ Madara w/ both his eyes. He'd wreck them.

-And the last paragraph is probably the dumbest thing I've read all day.

1. The Last is canon.
2. Tenseigan Chakra Mode is literally why Toneri was able to do ANYTHING he did in that movie.
3. Hamura has Tenseigan.
4. Tenseigan grants Tenseigan Chakra Mode.
5. Thus the boost in power that Toneri got is given to Hamura. Toneri being beaten by BSM Naruto is irrelevant when the boost is what's being measured here. All this means is that Toneri in Base is piss weak. Same reason why Hagoromo and Madara and Obito all have the same Juubi, but Hagoromo>>>>Madara>>>>Obito. So unless Base Toneri is somehow near BSM Naruto's level (which he's not) Tenseigan Toneri>>>>Base Toneri.

-RG Hagoromo and Byakugan Hamura are on the same tier.

-Give them both a MASSIVE POWER UP.

-They both move up a tier.

It doesn't get any simpler than that man. :lol

Hell no he cant. 7G Gai can beat them? LOL

Minato already proved through manga fact hes faster than even 8g gai though FTG and Tobirama is basically Minato. KCM Naruto is just as fast at 7g gai if not faster. He dodged Raikages fastest attack. What real speed feat has gai shown in 7G? He also has a time limit in 7G before his body cant handle it anymore. And Kabuto? LOL Hes basically immune to physical attacks. Gai aint doing shit to him.

From what ive seen this list is more based on which characters you like and should be where based on your opinion rather then by going on actually feats. Hence why your list is shit.

Lmfaooo

1. Minato is not faster than 8th Gate Gai my child. JJ Madara who was being pressured by 8G Gai tagged SM Minato when he stupidly tried to attack. Obito, slower than 8G Gai and Madara, tagged KCM Minato too. Smh. Yet 7G Gai didn't end up missing a limb like the supposedly faster Minato did when he engaged Madara. Wonder why?

2. As for KCM Naruto, the same applies. If Gai can go against JJ Madara and not lose his arm like Minato (who is faster than Naruto did) then Gai is faster. Period. KCM Naruto might be able to Shunshin faster than him, but that's irrelevant when Gai can perceive his every move, evade all his attacks and one shot with Hirudora.

3. Kabuto isn't immune to physical attacks. Just another idiotic misconception Kabuto's wankers (you are probably one of them) started. Hirudora obliterates him.

I have no significant affection for any of the characters in the series.

 

[LuckyMan]

Adult Naruto isn't that much stronger than his Teen self.

Another Kurama and he isn't much stronger than his Teen self? Christmas spirit must got you overflowing with jokes.