Naruto Vs Sasuke timeline tier list

[LoZelda101]

= they are equals, however doesn't 100% mean it'll be stalemate. but rather 50/50 chance of who will win.
> better chance of winning, but doesn't mean better overall
>> most likely of winning, has most of the advantages
>>> will always win, better overall
>= better or equal stalemate
? unknown, not enough feats shown.
/ counter or null by inferior foe if circumstances are met. (chakra suppression/genjutsu/linear perception)
(pts) pre time skip (naruto, not shippuden) for both characters.
Base = normal self with no enhancements
shar = sharingan
2T = 2tamoe sharingan
3T = 3tamoe sharingan
exp = experience with ability(skill)/unlock new jutsus
M = mastered ability(skill)/perfected new jutsus
SM = sage mode
MS = mangekyou sharingan
EMS = eternal mangekyou sharingan
KCM = kyuubi chakra mode
KCM2 = kyuubi chakra mode version 2. (long jacket form/kurama mode)
BSM kyuubi mode linked with sage mode.
6p = six path mode
v2 = negative influence of the kyuubi (naruto not in control)


RULE: NO SUMMONING. as dumb as it sounds, naru vs sasu never use summonings. so why even bring it up.


base naruto > base sasuke (pts)
base naruto = 2T shar sasuke (pts)
base naruto << curse seal sasuke (pts)
kyuubi naruto>> 2T shar sasuke (pts)
kyuubi naruto >= cs1 2T shar sasuke (pts)
base naruto <<< 3T shar sasuke (pts)
kyuubi naruto << 3T shar sasuke (pts)
kyuubi naruto <<< cs1 3T shar sasuke (pts)
cloak tail1 naruto >>> cs1 3T shar sasuke (pts)
cloak tail1 naruto >? cs2 3T shar sasuke (pts)

cloak tail2 naruto < M shar sasuke
cloak 4v2 naruto >/ M shar & CS2 sasuke
cloak 6v2 naruto >>/ M shar orochi absorbed cc1&2 sasuke
cloak 6v2 naruto << exp EMS sasuke
exp SM naruto > MS sasuke
exp SM naruto < exp MS sasuke
KCM naruto > exp MS sasuke
KCM naruto < exp EMS sasuke
KCM2 naruto > M EMS sasuke
BSM naruto >> M EMS sasuke
BSM6P naruto >= 6pRinnegan sasuke (ch:695)
M BSM naruto =? M rinnegan sasuke? unknown (chapter 700)


Note 1: it's up to you to believe whether or not sasuke's suppression can hold down 4/6tails. there isn't any evidence to indicate that it can't. and as for the genjutsu, unlike the other bijuus, kurama seems to have an easier weakness to it. considering how easy it was for madara and even obito to subdue kurama (and mind you it was the fullpowered kurama, not the half in naruto) i see it being easier for sasuke whose potent chakra was even compared to madara.

Note:2. the reason sasuke cannot use suppression on naruto in his kcm. because in chapter 500, naruto takes the chakra from kurama and seals it within another part of the seal. essentially, the chakra officially belongs to naruto unless it runs out or something. plus, now that naruto is linked with kurama as a buddy system, i can't see sasuke pulling that feat off again unless that suppression feat targeted kurama and not the chakra (which makes sense).

Note 3: it's up to you to believe whether or not all of sasuke's MS abilities were unlocked the moment he achieved the new eyes or if he had to progress through stages to unlock them like his base sharingan. either way, sasuke got the short end of the stick which resulted in most of his losses because of lack of exp or chose not to use new abilities because of plot. (killer bee example). and before you defend KB. tell me, do YOU really believe sasuke would hold back his susanoo against KB, came close to dying several time. just so he can reserve it for his fight with danzo?

Note 4: it's up to you to believe whether or not naruto still possess his elemental bijuu(s) power and truth seeking balls. personally, in my opinion he doesn't have it anymore ever since losing his original arm. i believe the only power he kept just like sasuke's was their eyes. just like with rinnegan, naruto was allowed to keep his BSM (kcmv2 + sage mode). if he uses later on in the boruto series. then hey whatever. heck if madara can use susanoo without any eyes and kakashi can go perfect susanoo asap because kishi was too lazy to indepth of the rules of sharingan. then naruto can still use some of his six path abilities. and before someone brings up that naruto had BSM before the 6p upgrade. i know, i'm talking about the lack of sagemode pigments (whatever that means. probably better sensing)

Note 5. i don't care what anyone says. experience matters. naruto would not had defeated pain had he not devoted himself into practicing his taijutsu in sage mode and perfecting his rasen shuriken. the same logic applies to sasuke and his sharingan abilities. if i'm wrong, then again...sasuke got the short end of the stick. why? because if experience do not matter in evolving his sharingan. then technically he IS being held back (handicap) and can only progress when the eyes (plot) so chooses too. and don't give me the blind madara > ems sasuke excuse. either that was BS or madara's war experience throughout his life (exp boost rapidly in war times) is what allowed him to stomp sasuke. that would mean blind madara could take out most of the series.(hashi did say his era was stronger)

tell me what you think of the tiers. agree? disagree? common sense? don't give me the "always equal" BS.

 

[oxtopus]

Spoiler

It's not really complicated.

FACTS

1.}Sasuke has rinnegan,sharingan and half rikudou chakra.

2.}Naruto has rsm and half rikudou chakra.

3.}Most of the so6p powers or his strongest powers come from rsm.

4.}Hagoromo's chakra probably around juubi levels.

5.}NARUTO WITH ALL TAILED BEASTS BACKING = JUUBI LEVEL CHAKRA

6.}NARUTO HAS MASSIVE NATURAL RESERVES AND ACCESS TO NE >= JUUBI LEVEL CHAKRA

7.}SO BASICALLY NARUTO COULD HAVE MORE CHAKRA THAN THE SO6P HIMSELF.

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NARUTO{FULL POWER}

1] RSM (MOST OF SAGE POWERS)

2] RIKUDOU CHAKRA (HALF JUUBI LEVEL CHAKRA)

3] NATURAL ENERGY (JUUBI LEVEL CHAKRA)

4] 9 TAILED BEASTS (JUUBI LEVEL CHAKRA)

5] MASSIVE NATURAL CHAKRA RESERVES.

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SASUKE[FULL POWER]

1 )RINNEGAN {LESSER OF SO6P POWER}

2) RIKUDOU CHAKRA {HALF JUUBI LEVEL CHAKRA)

3) SHARINGAN

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So,do you honestly think sauce k is lord naruto's equal???

THAT'S WHY

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Even with them sasuke is still inferior to full powered goduto.​

DO NOT F*CK WITH GODUTO...

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[~Ethereal~]

How fun.

 

[KidGamer65]

base naruto > base sasuke (pts)
base naruto = 2T shar sasuke (pts)
base naruto << curse seal sasuke (pts)
kyuubi naruto>> 2T shar sasuke (pts)
kyuubi naruto >= cs1 2T shar sasuke (pts)
base naruto <<< 3T shar sasuke (pts)
kyuubi naruto << 3T shar sasuke (pts)
kyuubi naruto <<< cs1 3T shar sasuke (pts)
cloak tail1 naruto >>> cs1 3T shar sasuke (pts)
cloak tail1 naruto >? cs2 3T shar sasuke (pts)

The only thing that is wrong here is the last ranking. CS2 Sasuke w/ the 3rd Tomoe is equal to KN1 Naruto.

cloak tail2 naruto < M shar sasuke
cloak 4v2 naruto >/ M shar & CS2 sasuke
cloak 6v2 naruto >>/ M shar orochi absorbed cc1&2 sasuke
cloak 6v2 naruto << exp EMS sasuke
exp SM naruto > MS sasuke
exp SM naruto < exp MS sasuke
KCM naruto > exp MS sasuke
KCM naruto < exp EMS sasuke
KCM2 naruto > M EMS sasuke
BSM naruto >> M EMS sasuke
BSM6P naruto >= 6pRinnegan sasuke (ch:695)

What is KCM2? If it's BM Naruto in his human form then this is wrong. Matured EMS Sasuke would stomp. If this is Naruto w/ the Kurama Avatar then this is correct.

And RSM Naruto>Rinnegan Sasuke. Not >=

 

[Bimbonium]

You forgot Naruto learned summoning pre time skip, if he summoned he'll win all his pre ts battles against Sasuke, and yes they use summonings

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

why can't they just be equal and call it a f*cking day?

 

[Gerkak]

Oh boy here we go

 

[Wparker6804]

why can't they just be equal and call it a f*cking day?

I still think they are, if that's worth anything.

But I laughed when Sasuke stated he needed the Bhijus. Sorry to say but it's the truth

 

[Nagi]

I still think they are, if that's worth anything.

But I laughed when Sasuke stated he needed the Bhijus. Sorry to say but it's the truth

What did you expect when you're going up against Naruto, who got Ashura's chakra + six paths - yang energy + Kurama's chakra + bits of other bijuus's chakra + ability to gather nature energy?

That's like laughing at Batman for needing kryptonite to fight superman.

 

[King Of Pop]

I still think they are, if that's worth anything.

But I laughed when Sasuke stated he needed the Bhijus. Sorry to say but it's the truth

he said that when their avatars got destroyed and both were feeling the effect. he was nearly running on empty so he needed more as his aim was to kill naruto not stalemate him hence why he abosorbed some from naruto. from that point on, te matched naruto without the bijjus chakra so didnt really matter in the end

 

[LoZelda101]

The only thing that is wrong here is the last ranking. CS2 Sasuke w/ the 3rd Tomoe is equal to KN1 Naruto.



What is KCM2? If it's BM Naruto in his human form then this is wrong. Matured EMS Sasuke would stomp. If this is Naruto w/ the Kurama Avatar then this is correct.

And RSM Naruto>Rinnegan Sasuke. Not >=

1. there is no evidence that cloak tail1 naruto = cs2 sasuke. just because they clashed do not make them equal.
2. KCM2 = kurama mode (human) and tailed beast mode (beast form)
3. it doesn't matter if it's human form or not. that's like saying which MS sasuke? with or without susanoo?
4. ems sasuke is not stomping kcm2, BM whatever the heck you want to call it that ragdolled the obito controlled bijuus.
5. never ending argument whether or not susanoo was obtained by EMS mastered like madara or if he gained it after recieving the rinnegan. if it was through ems, then maybe. but if not and he were stuck with that legged no wing one, then hell no. kcm2> ems

 

[Wood Style Tenzo]

Spoiler

It's not really complicated.

FACTS

1.}Sasuke has rinnegan,sharingan and half rikudou chakra.

2.}Naruto has rsm and half rikudou chakra.

3.}Most of the so6p powers or his strongest powers come from rsm.

4.}Hagoromo's chakra probably around juubi levels.

5.}NARUTO WITH ALL TAILED BEASTS BACKING = JUUBI LEVEL CHAKRA

6.}NARUTO HAS MASSIVE NATURAL RESERVES AND ACCESS TO NE >= JUUBI LEVEL CHAKRA

7.}SO BASICALLY NARUTO COULD HAVE MORE CHAKRA THAN THE SO6P HIMSELF.

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NARUTO{FULL POWER}

1] RSM (MOST OF SAGE POWERS)

2] RIKUDOU CHAKRA (HALF JUUBI LEVEL CHAKRA)

3] NATURAL ENERGY (JUUBI LEVEL CHAKRA)

4] 9 TAILED BEASTS (JUUBI LEVEL CHAKRA)

5] MASSIVE NATURAL CHAKRA RESERVES.

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SASUKE[FULL POWER]

1 )RINNEGAN {LESSER OF SO6P POWER}

2) RIKUDOU CHAKRA {HALF JUUBI LEVEL CHAKRA)

3) SHARINGAN

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So,do you honestly think sauce k is lord naruto's equal???

THAT'S WHY

Spoiler

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Even with them sasuke is still inferior to full powered goduto.​

DO NOT F*CK WITH GODUTO...

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Anybody who uses the word 'goduto' or 'lord sasuke' should be immediately discounted and ignored lool

 

[KidGamer65]

1. there is no evidence that cloak tail1 naruto = cs2 sasuke. just because they clashed do not make them equal.
2. KCM2 = kurama mode (human) and tailed beast mode (beast form)
3. it doesn't matter if it's human form or not. that's like saying which MS sasuke? with or without susanoo?
4. ems sasuke is not stomping kcm2, BM whatever the heck you want to call it that ragdolled the obito controlled bijuus.
5. never ending argument whether or not EMS mastered obtained rinnegan like madara or if he gained it after recieving the rinnegan. if it was through ems, then maybe. but if not and he were stuck with that legged no wing one, then hell no. kcm2> ems

1. That's exactly what it means. They clashed at their best and they tied in power.
4: If you were talking about BM Naruto then obviously EMS Sasuke doesn't stomp him. :lol
5. Lol PS is an EMS technique. Period. There is no debating that. Rinnegan literally has nothing to do with anything here. There is no "never ending argument" it's just people who love to deny Manga fact.

RSM Naruto is stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke.

All versions of KCM Naruto are inferior to EMS Sasuke, with or without PS.

BM Naruto and up are superior to EMS Sasuke.

Simple.

 

[LoZelda101]

why can't they just be equal and call it a f*cking day?

because just like databook 4, it's a lazy copout excuse.

also, that logic really makes no sense, you're telling me that every time naruto and sasuke faced each other it would be a tie? what if orochimaru had not shown up during the first shippuden reunion when sasuke was about to use kirin? equal? what if sasuke defeated gaara in the chuunin exam and naruto had to fight sasuke next? still believe it'd be a tie? what if kakashi and sakura had not intervene on top of the hospital fight? i'll tell you what would happen, sasuke head would be cracked open like a breakfast egg on the pavement and naruto would be sent flying to ninja mexico (but still alive). to hell with equal

You forgot Naruto learned summoning pre time skip, if he summoned he'll win all his pre ts battles against Sasuke, and yes they use summonings

i posted a rule stating no summonings since every one of naruto vs sasuke fights has never involved an animal contract.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

because just like databook 4, it's a lazy copout excuse.

also, that logic really makes no sense, you're telling me that every time naruto and sasuke faced each other it would be a tie? what if orochimaru had not shown up during the first shippuden reunion when sasuke was about to use kirin? equal? what if sasuke defeated gaara in the chuunin exam and naruto had to fight sasuke next? still believe it'd be a tie? what if kakashi and sakura had not intervene on top of the hospital fight? i'll tell you what would happen, sasuke head would be cracked open like a breakfast egg on the pavement and naruto would be sent flying to ninja mexico. to hell with equal

you misunderstand me

 

[LoZelda101]

1. That's exactly what it means. They clashed at their best and they tied in power.
4: If you were talking about BM Naruto then obviously EMS Sasuke doesn't stomp him. :lol
5. Lol PS is an EMS technique. Period. There is no debating that. Rinnegan literally has nothing to do with anything here. There is no "never ending argument" it's just people who love to deny Manga fact.

RSM Naruto is stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke.

All versions of KCM Naruto are inferior to EMS Sasuke, with or without PS.

BM Naruto and up are superior to EMS Sasuke.

Simple.

1. clash does not mean equal, pts sasuke even states this when he clashed naruto in the valley of the end. he says "clashes always end up in a stalemate". that does not mean naruto = sasuke. it just means chidori = rasengan. (their best N-jutsu). if 3T clashed with regular naruto. it would still be a stalemate, just like at the kage summit.
2. ems = PS. cool, fine. but i still don't see how it'd beat BM naruto considering the speed blitz he managed around
3. if the bijuu mode(BM) you're talking about is the one he was using against juubi. then yes, were on the same page. kcm2 i called it

Anybody who uses the word 'goduto' or 'lord sasuke' should be immediately discounted and ignored lool

ikr. but i agree with him regardless, naruto clearly had the power to back up. where as sasuke needed the bijuus. if sasuke had mastered his rinnegan enough to how nagato was using it (according to kurama) he could had won.

you misunderstand me

sorry, just so tired of people saying this.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

sorry, just so tired of people saying this.

yea I meant on an all-time "top tier" scale...not in actual battle situations

 

[KidGamer65]

1. clash does not mean equal, pts sasuke even states this when he clashed naruto in the valley of the end. he says "clashes always end up in a stalemate". that does not mean naruto = sasuke. it just means chidori = rasengan. (their best N-jutsu). if 3T clashed with regular naruto. it would still be a stalemate, just like at the kage summit.
2. ems = PS. cool, fine. but i still don't see how it'd beat BM naruto considering the speed blitz he managed around
3. if the bijuu mode(BM) you're talking about is the one he was using against juubi. then yes, were on the same page. kcm2 i called it

1. If Naruto and Sasuke's strongest techniques clash and they are equal along with them being relatively equal in every other area of combat then they are equal in power, just as the Manga has shown and portrayed.

-Naruto's physical speed can be easily reacted to by Sasuke.
-His chakra cloak attacks can be blocked by his wings as per canon.
-Black Chidori=Kyuubi Rasengan.

Not sure where you got "Naruto>Sasuke" from in that instance but you are clearly wrong, especially since Sasuke won that fight.

2. Lol dude. I just said that BM is stronger.

 

[LoZelda101]

1. If Naruto and Sasuke's strongest techniques clash and they are equal along with them being relatively equal in every other area of combat then they are equal in power, just as the Manga has shown and portrayed.

-Naruto's physical speed can be easily reacted to by Sasuke.
-His chakra cloak attacks can be blocked by his wings as per canon.
-Black Chidori=Kyuubi Rasengan.

Not sure where you got "Naruto>Sasuke" from in that instance but you are clearly wrong, especially since Sasuke won that fight.

2. Lol dude. I just said that BM is stronger.

if pts sasuke chidori clashed with jiraiya's rasengan. it would still both be a clash. are you implying that jiraiya = pts sasuke?
2. there is no evidence that states his wings can block kyuubi cloaks. again you're assuming. stop assuming.
3. black chidori = kyuubi rasengan. again. does not mean sasuke = naruto

show me proof that clashing means equal all around. i find ironic you keep saying this, but yet agreed that 6pBSM naruto defeated 6p rinngan sasuke despite the equal clash. so tell me which it? i'll tell you. clash means nothing. it's a pointless stalemate that wastes chakra just as pts sasuke stated. that alone is more than enough evidence than anything you have provided. cloaktail1 naruto has shown feats beating down cs1 sasuke. where as cs2 sasuke has shown no feats what so ever aside from doing yet again a pointless clash. conclusion? cloak tail1 naruto > cs2 sasuke (pts). this should be logic. also, reacted don't mean anything. cloaktail1 is evidence of that sasuke reaction timing cannot handle naruto's chakra arms. why the hell would his cs2 mode would? seriously. it cannot be more obvious.

 

[Chaosmark101]

snip.

CS2 Chidori & KN1 Rasengan being their strongest attacks both stalemating pretty much means their equal. Both were running out of time in those forms too.
Naruto couldn't feel his left arm anymore & Sasuke didn't want to be corroded by the curse seal.