[Discussion] People without Haki

[chopstickchakra]

I was reading some threads and it got me thinking, let's make a list of some characters we feel should have armament haki despite not having showcased it in the manga(yet). If you feel like it explain why since some people may disagree. Personally I think anyone of recognition or note who sailed throughout the New World should have it(that means any captains and high-ups in the crew)

First for me personally is;
Ace
It only makes sense that he should have had it despite never showing it. He was the blood of the greatest pirate in OP history and while it's not an auto blessing it's unlikely that it's a trivial point after all the WG was so scared of that fact they tried to kill Ace. He was being groomed to be the next PK by WB, seems odd he didn't at least cover the basics. He survived in the new world and he may have had WB's reputation protecting him somewhat but it's not like WB was literally standing behind him. That's why I think he should have it a reason I think he did have it was his death punch. As a logia that punch should have went straight through him and into Luffy but it didn't, now some can say plot which is true by definition of the word but there should still be a reason why it was so within the plot, the fact Ace used his body to catch Akainu's punch means one of two things to me; either Logia can control their intangibility which was never even hinted at in the manga or Ace had haki enough to slow the punch down and sacrifice his body. Also from what we've seen WB commanders had haki so Ace being a commander would only make sense that he also had it(is there a WB commander known to not have haki?)

Jack
Billion dollar bounty, served under a Yonko with a title so not just some Yonko subordinate, sailed in the New World.

Magellan
The warden of Imple Down, it only makes sense that someone who deals with some of the worst criminals should have a good power and even though they have sea stone as we saw he may need to fight sometimes and the only way to fight the logia and stop them from escaping or rebelling would be haki.

Duke Inuarushi and Nekomamushi
Leaders of a country in the New World, dealing with outsiders who have it it seems the only way they could keep control so long.

Anyone you guys think that by all reason should have it even if they haven't shown it?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Of course Ace has Haki. Explains why he didn't use it against Smoker or Teach, instead choosing to go with non-Buso-enhanced attacks against people he wanted to kill and knew were Logia. He's just stupid.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

hype doesn't make feats, feats however do make hype.

Now if you're giving characters haki based on their status then you might as well say Vegapunk has all types of haki, same applies to the gorosei and of course dragon and kola. Ivankov would also have the king's haki using that logic. Ultimately I always stick to feats once it comes down to haki because people become biased if we use anything else, it really adds nothing during arguments.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Of course Ace has Haki. Explains why he didn't use it against Smoker or Teach, instead choosing to go with non-Buso-enhanced attacks against people he wanted to kill and knew were Logia. He's just stupid.

The word for today kids, is "Should"

hype doesn't make feats, feats however do make hype.

Now if you're giving characters haki based on their status then you might as well say Vegapunk has all types of haki, same applies to the gorosei and of course dragon and kola. Ivankov would also have the king's haki using that logic. Ultimately I always stick to feats once it comes down to haki because people become biased if we use anything else, it really adds nothing during arguments.

Vegapunks more an intellectual status than a combat one but yeah the gorosei most likely have it as well, why wouldn't the leaders of the world have high power levels? you say feats make hype yet people are attributing the duke and neko and jack as having haki how is that not hype dictating feat? How is that any different than Ace or Magellan? I didn't say everyone in the New World just those of note, Kinemon shouldn't have it but just because he was in the New World but someone with a higher name recognition who sailed in the New World should because of the reputation the New World has.

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

I hope crocodile has developed haki.....it would make a for good relevance to his character

 

[Venomous Cobra]

The word for today kids, is "Should"
Vegapunks more an intellectual status than a combat one

Haki is not used only by fighters.

you say feats make hype yet people are attributing the duke and neko and jack as having haki how is that not hype dictating feat?

Because even ace and jinbei fought for 5 days and they were both rookies, and to be exact they didn't sleep and get rest like the inurashi and nekomamushi

Ace had showcased Haoshuko but he was in situations where haki usage would truly be useful yet he didn't and so heavily implying that he does not have it.

How is that any different than Ace or Magellan?

Because magellan's part in the story was back in pre-skip to face luffy who wasn't at a level to beat a haki user(or at least not a shitty haki user like the snake sisters who were blitzed by G2)

I didn't say everyone in the New World just those of note, Kinemon shouldn't have it but just because he was in the New World but someone with a higher name recognition who sailed in the New World should because of the reputation the New World has.

That would be a much better argument than "they have hype and so they have feats". Factual hype I have no problem with , statements that make it clear like "The yonko are the four most powerful pirates" is the type of hype I accept.

Plus haki being common in the new world is only logical, but I'm rather against your former argument which suggested that haki should be given to every strong person in the new world.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

As far as I'm concerned (meaning personal opinion) reason why akainu punch went through ace and didn't hit luffy is because akainu himself used haki.. To bypass ace intangibility not other way around I agree with the guy above ace should've used it against bb as soon as he seen bb start negating shit ... Haki is used to bypass df abilities for most part (especially intangibility .. Bushido im talking bout) so yeah the fact that ace didn't use it just shows that he doesn't have bushido... Simply put it wasn't that far from the war and while the coloring wasn't shown fighters used haki
Exp
Marco kicking kizaru and kuzan
Garp punching marco
Marco and vista attacking akainu.. Etc
Jozu hitting croc (how else u think he hit him..)

Now in terms of post timeskip ... Honestly I think by now anyone who is going to have relevance to the story will develop some form of bushido (prob to not totally get the ace treatment lol) I have come to this conclusion as soon as I saw the Bellamy had haki.... (And tashigi for the matter...) while it is hard to see these chars having haki and imagine ace not having it honestly we can't go against evidence

Fact ace didn't use haki against bb
Fact his life was on the line
Fact he wanted to kill bb....


As for Jack having haki most likely

Mag ... I honestly don't know but do hope so


Chars I want to show haki bushido specifically


Sanji (he was shown to kick the snot logia guy and it hurt him while intangible but at same time hasn't fully shown it also stated by luffy to have haki.)
Croc
Enel
Kizaru/kuzan
Robin
The rest of the supernovas

 

[Skull Knight]

i think Ace had Haki but never used it because nobody taught him.
here he used Haoshoku Haki

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He even said in Marineford Arc "You too" when luffy used Haki.
That means he knew he had Haoshoku Haki.
Cant say about Armament Haki though. he never used it.:'(

 

[-Akuma-]

Of course Ace has Haki. Explains why he didn't use it against Smoker or Teach, instead choosing to go with non-Buso-enhanced attacks against people he wanted to kill and knew were Logia. He's just stupid.

Yes because Teach could actually phase.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Your mum nah jks ahahaha

Umm, if a dugoung can get arnament im sure any characters from pre-timeskip have the potential of learning it.

Ps - imagine a ship using haki lol

arnament - strong as fk
conquerors- makes people faint upon entering or coming near a ship automatically
observation - doesnt need steering

 

[chopstickchakra]

Your mum nah jks ahahaha

Umm, if a dugoung can get arnament im sure any characters from pre-timeskip have the potential of learning it.

Ps - imagine a ship using haki lol

arnament - strong as fk
conquerors- makes people faint upon entering or coming near a ship automatically
observation - doesnt need steering

Thousand Sunny=haki beast confirmed

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes because Teach could actually phase.

Ace didn't know that when he used Fiery Doll. He was expecting Teach to be able to phase through "an attack like that." Why would Ace attack someone he thinks can phase through non-Haki attacks with a non-Haki attack if he had Haki-attacks available?

 

[Bogard]

Ace definitely had haki. Only a moron would think otherwise

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ace definitely had haki. Only a moron would think otherwise

Agreed. Ace is the real moron here, attacking the Logia he furiously wants to kill without using his Buso Haki, and then not using his Haoshoku against his executioners.

 

[Bogard]

Agreed. Ace is the real moron here, attacking the Logia he furiously wants to kill without using Haki.

When?

 

[Punk Hazard]

When?

Fiery Doll on Teach. Also Smoker in Alabasta

 

[Bogard]

Fiery Doll on Teach. Also Smoker in Loguetown.

Teach was a tangible logia and he was toying with Smoker

 

[Punk Hazard]

Teach was a tangible logia and he was toying with Smoker

He didn't know Teach was a tangible Logia at that point. He immediately said after that "That kind of attack shouldn't work on a Logia."

 

[Bogard]

He didn't know Teach was a tangible Logia at that point. He immediately said after that "That kind of attack shouldn't work on a Logia."

His initial hiken was burning Teach. He was wondering how it could be possible when Teach claimed to be a logia. That's why he used fiery doll as a test and made Teach remark that. If anything the fact that he says these kind of attacks shouldn't have work means he had other means to affect him(haki)

 

[Punk Hazard]

His initial hiken was burning Teach. He was wondering how it could be possible when Teach claimed to be a logia. That's why he used fiery doll as a test and made Teach remark that. If anything the fact that he says these kind of attacks shouldn't have work means he had other means to affect him(haki)

1. Doesn't necessarily mean that he had Haki attacks available. Bon Clay said his kind of fighting style, close combat, wouldn't work against Magellan. Doesn't mean Luffy had other kinds of fighting styles available.

2. Logias don't automatically transform all the time. That's why Crocodile trained himself to transform on reflex.