[Suggestion] Role Play Suggestion: Samurai Updates

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Alright so Im here with a suggestion for the update of the Samurai Character Class because I feel they deserve it and is needed. Let’s get some small things out of the way and let me say: No I don’t mean Samurai being able to use elemental jutsu. What I mean and have come with here today is a neutral and slightly biased suggestion about the update of them. Since the release of the group they have been restricted so badly it’s not even fair to see.

In terms of some people saying Samurai can’t use ninjutsu, that’s not true. Why? It’s not that they can’t use it, it’s that they choice not to utilize ninjutsu or anything remotely along the lines of the shinboi. I have seen past Samurai try to submit cj based on the exact way of which a Samurai uses chakra flow based kenjutsu techniques and be declined because “Samurai can’t use chakra like that” which again not true. Samurai has chakra control, why? Because let’s do by manga facts, all humans born after Hagoromo and Hamura are born with chakra right? Of course they are, but in some cases like Rock Lee who can’t use chakra externally for ninjutsu and genjutsu exists which makes sense. Are Samurai the same? I think not, otherwise Samurai Saber would not exist.

Now let me point out some info from the Naruto Hiden which are novels that tells stories after the events of Naurto or before, showing info that authors wrote. Are they canon? Yes because Kishimoto did the art and approved of the stories hence worth making it canon material. In the Garaa Hiden it was mentioned that Shinobi and SAMURAI where the taught in the ways of Ninshu which is the religion and the peaceful precursor of modern ninjutsu created by Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki. Samurai where the more peaceful and idealistic ones opposed to the ninjas using chakra to create bonds with it. Samurai for generations choice the peaceful life of ninshu , and look what it came to be. They are the only ones in the modern era who still uses the peaceful ideals of Ninshu, being a neutral country and not being a part of the ninja worlds affairs aside from the Fourth War due to the world being at risk rather than just nations senselessly fighting each other.

They chose the life of not wanting to use ninjutsu, not that they can’t. In my defense again we can look at the Samurai Saber and variants of it shown in the manga and anime where they can swing their sword and release a projectile based slash of chakra. Isnt the same as a ninja doing it with Wind Release just its elemental now? Yes it is. The Samurai Saber can even be called the exact same as method of chakra flow Sasuke uses in his sword to use Lightning Release or how Kirabi can use it inside of a pencil.

Samurai with these logical reasons have shown the ability to use Shape Manipulation to an extent, chakra control as well with the ties of chakra flow and releasing blades of chakra as ranged attacks. In closing I think Samurai deserve a small revamp similar to how the Kaguya did. I don’t remember in the manga Kaguya’s having pain resistance but it was assumed and made into the rp that they are due to the nature of how Shikotsumyaku works ripping the flesh and forcefully growing the bones etc. Then why cant Samurai not logically be able to mold chakra on the outside like a ninja. Yeah to keep it close to the manga lets not have them using elemental chakra naturally but at least allow them to make more chakra based kenjutsu or taijutsu along those lines. Also it wouldn’t hurt to allow them to use Kai at the least since Samurai are very weak to Genjutsu.
 

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What I mean and have come with here today is a neutral and slightly biased suggestion about the update of them.

^ Quit reading at here. You cannot be neutral and biased :p
 

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Chakra-based Kenjutsu could be used free-form tho. Suggesting anything beyond Kenjutsu such as nature manipulation is infringing on their beliefs as Samurai.
I didnt say that they should get more like that, Im saying they should at least get this for taijutsu based techniques as well, and with a small perk of may being able to Kai should be fine at least to balance them
What I mean and have come with here today is a neutral and slightly biased suggestion about the update of them.

^ Quit reading at here. You cannot be neutral and biased :p
Yes I can be because Im biased towards them getting an update that I believe that deserve imo but neutral that it shouldnt be super drastic like being able to use elemental techniques.
 

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It says in the samurai thread that they can use elemental chakra control.

The samurai can also use elemental chakra control through the use of Kenjutsu and taijutsu and other forms of their weapons that they wield.
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It says in the samurai thread that they can use elemental chakra control.



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Thats the old version that was never touched in years. Caliburn made it clear that they cant and such we had to make a jutsu that allows them to which is when Harmony was made by Zenryoku
 

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I didn't say that they should get more like that, I'm saying they should, at least, get this for taijutsu based techniques as well, and with a small perk of may being able to Kai should be fine at least to balance them


Yes, I can be because I'm biased towards them getting an update that I believe that deserve IMO but neutral that it shouldn't be super drastic like being able to use elemental techniques.
Oh. But they are known for the sword, not hand to hand combat. And I think Genjutsu Release should be an exception for Samurai considering your handicap, so I agree with that.
 

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Thats the old version that was never touched in years. Caliburn made it clear that they cant and such we had to make a jutsu that allows them to which is when Harmony was made by Zenryoku
So basically everything is a lie an you can't even believe the rules..

Oh. But they are known for the sword, not hand to hand combat. And I think Genjutsu Release should be an exception for Samurai considering your handicap, so I agree with that.
Using a sword is an extension of your body and taijutsu literally means body technique. 1 + 1 is 2. :bdpf:
 

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Oh. But they are known for the sword, not hand to hand combat. And I think Genjutsu Release should be an exception for Samurai considering your handicap, so I agree with that.
I mean, Taijutsu is body arts. They would logically be trained in hand to hand combat as well ;)
So basically everything is a lie an you can't even believe the rules..



Using a sword is an extension of your body and taijutsu literally means body technique. 1 + 1 is 2. :bdpf:
lol at the last line, but yeah they where never edited so people assumed they can but Caliburn was strictly against it.
Ay, why don't they add on to the suit's capabilities to counter Genjutsu and etc...
Not a bad idea but not all Samurai like to wear armor ;) just saying.
 

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I mean, Taijutsu is body arts. They would logically be trained in hand to hand combat as well ;)

lol at the last line, but yeah they where never edited so people assumed they can but Caliburn was strictly against it.


Not a bad idea but not all Samurai like to wear armor ;) just saying.
Then simply have those from Iron have an advantage. Wear the armor = great aspects. Such that if you master the armor, you lose it for more speed/ Genjutsu immunity.
 

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I don't really get the meaning of this post; I see that you call for a partial or full revamp of Samurai but make no real suggestions to this besides ability to use Kai. Samurai already have Shape Manipulation, to an extent, shown in their Samurai Saber jutsu. Also, your point about Lee and Kaguya are inaccurate; Lee has chakra control. It is just extremely poor and because of this, it prevents him demon using Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. Not that he can't use it externally, otherwise he'd be unable to utilize the EIG. Kimimaro showed a resistance to pain in the manga when his skin and flesh ripped open each time he used his Shikotsumyaku KG. If he didn't have even the slightest resistance to pain, It'd be clear that it showed him some form of pain when his skin opens up (anime showed the bones just piercing the skin for censorship reasons).


That aside, Samurai are seen as similar to Lee and unable to apply shape and nature manipulation to chakra on a larger extent, Which prevents Ninjutsu usage. Saying them used Ninshu doesn't mean they have access to Ninjutsu as it was already said they are clearly different. One lead to the evolution, or devolution if you will, of the other but learning one doesn't automatically mean you gain access to the latter. I think Samurai are fine as is, the I ly change I would possibly make is the ability to have LWs if they don't already have access to it.
 

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To use ninjutsu, you need a few abilities other than simply having chakra. One is the ability to focus your chakra for example. Shaping your chakra and manipulating its nature are also traits that need to be present.

Now, samurais already are allowed in our RP to do much more than they can do in the manga. Simply put, in the manga they can focus their chakra and stream it into mediums capable of channeling chakra but have little to no control over it. They cannot shape it into specific constructs or manipulate it more than that. They can channel into a sword and release it into unfocused, broad, simple "bursts". This is only amplified by the only time a ranged samurai technique was used and it used the basic shape from the swords into which the chakra was channeled through. The samurai needed that medium to be able to release the chakra in that way. In our RP, we allow samurais to have raw chakra shape manipulation to some degree to allow them a more fair chance to be a viable option.

The above, however, doesn't detract from a simple fact that in Narutoverse, Samurais are weaker than Ninjas. They assume that themselves. There is no way around it.

As for the release of Genjutsu, for that you need awareness and control over your own chakra which, as far as I can see, Samurais lack. Genjutsu is one of the strongest abilities of a ninja for a reason. Its supposed to be strong and a menace. Its supposed to make you cringe at the idea of facing it. So its only normal that for some, it may not be releasable in an easy way. Doesn't mean it can't be released in other ways.
 
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