Kakashi v. Sasuke (pre-Orochimaru absorption)

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Location: Clearing in the middle of a forest
Intel: Neither knows about jutsus they haven't seen before Orochimaru "died" - e.g., Sasuke's Chidori variants, Kakashi's MS
Conditions: Sasuke has all abilities he had right up until before he killed Orochimaru. Using MS still poses a significant risk to Kakashi, so he can't use it willy nilly.
Intent: Kill
 

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I still think kakashi wins against hebi sasuke, he has 4 elements great startigic mind and if worse comes to worse he could kamui sasuke
 

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Kakashi wins high diff.

Post orochimaru absorption Sasuke is a different story.
 

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Kamui GG. Lol jk Kakashi probably isn't taking off Sasuke's head as he needs more experience to catch a faster opponent here, but he could bunshin feint him like against 30% Itachi giving him a golden opportunity to make this match in his favor. I'd say Kakashi wins high difficulty
 

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Oh this isn't 3 tomoe Kakashi}?

Kamui GG all the way, unless this is gaara rescue Kakashi and Sasuke can escape from it.
 

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Sasuke wins.

Naruto already conceded that Team Kakashi wouldn't be able to defeat Pre-Hebi Sasuke given how he performed against them.

Edit: Wait, which Kakashi is this?
 

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Sasuke wins.

Naruto already conceded that Team Kakashi wouldn't be able to defeat Pre-Hebi Sasuke given how he performed against them.

Edit: Wait, which Kakashi is this?

Could you post a scan of this?

I think Naruto wasn't talking about team 7 with Kakashi included lol.

Kakashi would have performed x10 times better than Yamato.
 

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Could you post a scan of this?

I think Naruto wasn't talking about team 7 with Kakashi included lol.

Kakashi would have performed x10 times better than Yamato.



I'm certain Kakashi was included. If he wasn't, then Naruto would've have viewed Sasuke being so powerful that even with a team, he'd be unable to do anything.

Edit: It makes sense. Deidara didn't even fear Kakashi as much as Naruto using Kurama's Chakra. Actually, Kisame even questioned if Deidara lost to Kyuubi Naruto or Sasuke implying that Sasuke was MS Kakashi's superior at the time.

And the scan to support this:



And then Pain actually considered Sasuke a threat:

 
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I'm certain Kakashi was included. If he wasn't, then Naruto would've have viewed Sasuke being so powerful that even with a team, he'd be unable to do anything.

Edit: It makes sense. Deidara didn't even fear Kakashi as much as Naruto using Kurama's Chakra. Actually, Kisame even questioned if Deidara lost to Kyuubi Naruto or Sasuke implying that Sasuke was MS Kakashi's superior at the time.

And the scan to support this:



And then Pain actually considered Sasuke a threat:


Sorry.

Deidara was pissing himself on when he faced Kakashi. He stated that Kakashi's prowess was more than comparable to Itachi's, and that Kakashi was the big trouble, not Kurama's jinchuriki.

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And Nagato/Pain was honored to face Kakashi. And he absolutely considered him a threat, a great threat. He admitted he saw Kakashi as a major threat after witnessing his performance, feeling that he needed to be eradicated to allow his plans to progress;

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Dunno which Kakashi is this, but every version of Kakashi bar Part 1 Kakashi (which would still win) and Kid Kakashi would defeat/stomp this version of Sasuke.
 

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I'm certain Kakashi was included. If he wasn't, then Naruto would've have viewed Sasuke being so powerful that even with a team, he'd be unable to do anything.

Edit: It makes sense. Deidara didn't even fear Kakashi as much as Naruto using Kurama's Chakra. Actually, Kisame even questioned if Deidara lost to Kyuubi Naruto or Sasuke implying that Sasuke was MS Kakashi's superior at the time.

And the scan to support this:



And then Pain actually considered Sasuke a threat:


He clearly said "as we're right now". Clearly talking about himself and Sakura.

1- As they are "right now" includes Kakashi in the bed

2- Kakashi never showed any interesnt on going to rescue Sasuke

3- Naruto wants to rescue by himself

Kakashi is not included in that statement. Here's his answer to what kakashi said

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As Selan the kakashi fanboy posted, Deidara was comparing Kakashi to Itachi by that moment. No way Kakashi would lose to that Sasuke with team 7's support, so Naruto's statement is dull and moot.

Lmao at your second statement. How does that even make sense? Kisame didn't even mention Kakashi because Deidara never talked about facing Kakashi again.
 
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Sasuke wins mid-high dif. Kakashi could barely use Kamui to warp away Deidara, so I don't see him using it to catch someone with superior flying feats to Deidara (in terms of speed, versatility, and applying jutsu successfully mid flight)
 
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Well Sasuke has Cursed Mark in this version and kakashi barely has control of kamui. I think Sasuke also has superior genjutsu, but kakashi should still be able to counter. Sasuke has got superior kushiyose and far superior speed. Then there's Kirin too if he can set things up.

Sasuke wins high-diff.
 

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Well Sasuke has Cursed Mark in this version and kakashi barely has control of kamui. I think Sasuke also has superior genjutsu, but kakashi should still be able to counter. Sasuke has got superior kushiyose and far superior speed. Then there's Kirin too if he can set things up.

Sasuke wins high-diff.

This is Pre-Orochimaru Absorption Sasuke, so I doubt he has Kirin yet.
 

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He clearly said "as we're right now". Clearly talking about himself and Sakura.

1- As they are "right now" includes Kakashi in the bed

2- Kakashi never showed any interesnt on going to rescue Sasuke

3- Naruto wants to rescue by himself

1. And that's why we see Naruto not even shocked that Kakashi was capable of moving around freely.

2. Of course he did. He actually wanted to aid Naruto in his mission to find Orochimaru yet couldn't because he severely injured. In fact, Jiraiya was the only one who opposed Naruto's goals of finding Sasuke.

3. Of course he does. He's his rival and his main motivation during his training was to rival or surpass Sasuke. That doesn't refute the fact that Naruto stated "we" in his claim and in order for it to be relevant, he'd have to referring to Team Kakashi.

Kakashi is not included in that statement. Here's his answer to what kakashi said

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And Kakashi was aware that his motivation to get stronger was Sasuke and so he used that as a motivation to fuel Naruto's determination and work ethic. From that statement, you're implying that Naruto was only referring to himself earlier which doesn't make sense given the fact that he stated "we" and the fact that Hebi Sasuke practically shitted on Yamato, Sai, and Sakura.

As Selan the kakashi fanboy posted, Deidara was comparing Kakashi to Itachi by that moment. No way Kakashi would lose to that Sasuke with team 7's support, so Naruto's statement is dull and moot.

He compared Kakashi to Itachi for the sole reason that both of them had the Mangekyo. That still doesn't place Kakashi on par with Itachi who has greater proficiency in his Mangekyo techniques compared to Kakashi who requires an immense amount of time to knead chakra necessary for Kamui.

Lmao at your second statement. How does that even make sense? Kisame didn't even mention Kakashi because Deidara never talked about facing Kakashi again.



Really? Because Kisame was well aware of Deidara's encounter with Kakashi and Naruto yet Team Kakashi wasn't deemed as troublesome as Uchiha Sasuke in which they feared the most even though Kakashi managed to warp Deidara's arm off.

Even Deidara feared Naruto more due to the fact that he told Kakuzu to be careful and Uchiha Sasuke as mentioned along with Naruto as opposed to Kakashi. Clearly, both Naruto and Sasuke were considered a bigger threat, not to mention we have a direct comparison between KN3 Naruto and Pre-Hebi Sasuke.
 
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1. And that's why we see Naruto not even shocked that Kakashi was capable of moving around freely.

Kakashi moving around freely? Lmao, he said as we are now, and that moment includes sick Kakashi. He was barely sitting and reading.

2. Of course he did. He actually wanted to aid Naruto in his mission to find Orochimaru yet couldn't because he severely injured. In fact, Jiraiya was the only one who opposed Naruto's goals of finding Sasuke.
Nope. The Sasuke rescue mission was naruto's own goal. I don't know where are you getting this, but Kakashi never showed interest in going with him.

Naruto said that they can't rescue Sasuke as they're right now, so kakashi told him get stronger. He was giving the burden to Naruto.

3. Of course he does. He's his rival and his main motivation during his training was to rival or surpass Sasuke. That doesn't refute the fact that Naruto stated "we" in his claim and in order for it to be relevant, he'd have to referring to Team Kakashi.

Yes, team Kakashi without ****ing Kakashi, who was in bed. Your reading comprehension is really low. Stop replying with nonsense for the love of god.


And Kakashi was aware that his motivation to get stronger was Sasuke and so he used that as a motivation to fuel Naruto's determination and work ethic. From that statement, you're implying that Naruto was only referring to himself earlier which doesn't make sense given the fact that he stated "we" and the fact that Hebi Sasuke practically shitted on Yamato, Sai, and Sakura.

He said we beccause he was talking about the ones who got fodderized by Sasuke, aka Yamato, Sai, Sakura and Naruto.

He compared Kakashi to Itachi for the sole reason that both of them had the Mangekyo.
He said dojutsu at Itachi's level. He didn't say he had itachi's same dojutsu.
That still doesn't place Kakashi on par with Itachi who has greater proficiency in his Mangekyo techniques compared to Kakashi who requires an immense amount of time to knead chakra necessary for Kamui.

Nobody said that. He just got compared to Itachi, and was portrayed (by deidara) to be >>>>> Naruto.

So, if Kakashi is >>>>>> Naruto and Sasuke is >>>>>>> Naruto, are you really implying that the difference between kakashi and sasuke is so great that Kakashi can't beat sasuke with all of team 7 members? please don't be joking.




Really? Because Kisame was well aware of Deidara's encounter with Kakashi and Naruto yet Team Kakashi wasn't deemed as troublesome as Uchiha Sasuke in which they feared the most even though Kakashi managed to warp Deidara's arm off.

Okay so why on earth would Kisame think Deidara was killed by Kakashi?

The bold is only as retard as you, since Sasuke was pursuing Itachi and looking for him, he was a threat, while Kakashi was only protecting Naruto inside his village and never pursued anyone from Akatsuki. Not to mention he was also considered as a threat to them as later is showed by pain

Even Deidara feared Naruto more due to the fact that he told Kakuzu to be careful and Uchiha Sasuke as mentioned along with Naruto as opposed to Kakashi. Clearly, both Naruto and Sasuke were considered a bigger threat, not to mention we have a direct comparison between KN3 Naruto and Pre-Hebi Sasuke.

We have Deidara clearly saying Naruto is not a problem, while Kakashi is compared to Itachi. Smh. Deidara told Kakuzu to be careful because he knew Kakuzu was going to find Naruto. Why on earth would Deidara tell him to be careful from Kakashi if Kakuzu himself put Deidara's arm back and witnessed what kakashi can do?


Plus For your argument to be valid, the difference between Kakashi and Sasuke should be so high that Naruto believes that not even Kakashi + Yamato + Naruto + Sakura + Sai would work. So no, lmao. Unless you're suggesting that pre-absorption Sasuke is >> Kakashi (the man who was being compared with Itachi)
Please, log out.

And to think i was cheering for you to be deleted from the "retarded debaters to avoid" list. Lmao nah, you're just fine there.
 

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Didn't he almost use it on Yamato and crew?

No :sdo: the environment didn't even possess the proper requirements (a cloudy sky) for him to activate Kirin. Besides, the area Yamato and crew were in was much smaller than the open area Itachi was in when Sasuke activated Kirin. So even if Sasuke wanted to use Krin against Yamato and crew, he would be reluctant due to it's high possibility of backfire on him, Kabuto and Orochimaru.
 

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No :sdo: the environment didn't even possess the proper requirements (a cloudy sky) for him to activate Kirin. Besides, the area Yamato and crew were in was much smaller than the open area Itachi was in when Sasuke activated Kirin. So even if Sasuke wanted to use Krin against Yamato and crew, he would be reluctant due to it's high possibility of backfire on him, Kabuto and Orochimaru.

So what jutsu was he about to use then that was activated the same exact way as Kirin?
 

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So what jutsu was he about to use then that was activated the same exact way as Kirin?

I don't know, but for the reasons that I stated above, it obviously wasn't for Kirin :sdo2:
 
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