Can someone explain: Hashi > Tsunade (Healing)

[SatanicGod]

This coming from the leader of the feeble minded.

Shaz if your gonna throw shots don't windmill like a b!tch because I certainly won't.



This is actually the answe I was looking for.



If people could read? Damn your moist XD

Based on your indirectness and the dismissiveness of your post, you're the one with the problems.

(1) How does Tsunade having to make ONE HANDSIGN to imitation her healing abilities make the quality of her healing ability lower than her grandfathers?

Example being when Tsunades make direct contact with madara's Fire Jutsu, the burn wounds instantly healed.

But here you clearly see a burn wound or some type of laceration on Hashi's upper arm but it didn't heal automatically right? Or does you eyes not work like your brain?

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Which brings me to repost the argument that you have no counter to lol.


So again are you still gonna run with your flawed argument? Based on the manga facts above, did Hashi not have to initiate anything to activate his healing power?

Lastly answer the question, when did Madara say the Tsunades regenerative technique was below Hashi's or didn't heal within its range?



How can Madara's comparison of Hashi's healing power > Tsunades regeneration when he hadn't even seen Tsunades yet.

But after he did see ability he said it was just like his.

It could be done automatically, but with one condition: that condition being if he has the chakra for it.
In all the scans he used, it was AFTER Hashirama was in a lengthy battle with a very powerful shinobi. Ever think that maybe, just maybe he was out of chakra, so he couldn't heal his wounds automatically anymore. Just like anybody with an automatic/ passive ability can't use it once they have no chakra for it.

 

[lndra]

Rasta is actually right for once, you haven't countered the argument about Hashi utilizing the sage mode to do his healing, in fact you've failed to address it and have resorted to continually posting scans of madara stating something before he saw tsunade's jutsu. Tsunade aint Sakura mane, don't let your hate blind you from forming a decent argument.

You do realize that I'm not referring to Sage Mode in my argument, right?

And please read the Manga. Madara said that her healing ability was lower than Hashirama's, before she activated the seal. In the scans, it stated that when she activated her Byakugou seal, Madara claimed that her healing ability was similar/on par with Hashirama's.

And lastly:

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[Kushina san]

Rasta is actually right for once, you haven't countered the argument about Hashi utilizing the sage mode to do his healing, in fact you've failed to address it and have resorted to continually posting scans of madara stating something before he saw tsunade's jutsu. Tsunade aint Sakura mane, don't let your hate blind you from forming a decent argument.

Is obvious for me that the healing power of Hashirama comes from his cells (as suggests the databook) and not from senjutsu...

''Further worthy of admiration is his recovery ability. Commanding high-level ninja healing arts, he can heal wounds even without making hand gestures. His body itself brimming with vitality, those with Hashirama’s cells have heightened healing ability. To this day, there is no ninja existing who surpasses this power.''

Then Obito in this scan probably he's using the healing power of Hashirama without sage mode:

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Madara knew he could use the healing jutsu after it has returned the life, he did not steal the senjutsu of Hashirama for that reason, but to be even stronger.

 

[Liquid Snake]

Shaz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Well I too agree with this.



Elaborate.



Wrong, BZ writes the laws.



I did.

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Modesty at the most but that could be interpreted in many ways.

Medical ninjutsu doesn't equate to self-healing necessarily.



(1) We factually don't know the mechanics behind his healing powers so who's to say he didn't store chakra like you've stated so that doesn't really hold up either way.

(2) it seems here that when Hashi activated his SM (made a hand sign) the minor wounds on his face healed.

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But yet she needed her summon to stay aliv when madara got semi serious lol and if u believe she is greater than hashi in healing you are also sayin Sakura is better as well lmao and sm heals automatically the hand seals was for something else and hashi could heal without sm . Hashi was on a different lvl in everything than tsunade and when madara fought hashi he was actually serious he even stated after she used her healing jutsu that the battle was child's play

 

[Joshutsu]

But yet she needed her summon to stay aliv when madara got semi serious lol and if u believe she is greater than hashi in healing you are also sayin Sakura is better as well lmao and sm heals automatically the hand seals was for something else and hashi could heal without sm . Hashi was on a different lvl in everything than tsunade and when madara fought hashi he was actually serious he even stated after she used her healing jutsu that the battle was child's play

And what's wrong with saying Sakura is above hashi hashirama in something. Lol her seal was not activated when he attacked her and it would not have stopped him from cutting her in half.

Not because her healing tops hashirama means that she has all the other things hashirama had, those are the things that kept him from being decked by madara, not his healing alone.

Tsunade comes up a short combat wise next to hashirama but you should have known that.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

I don't lead anything besides your destruction.

Are you mad cause Hashirama is the greatest medical ninja in the history of Narutoverse? And that your favorites Sakura and Tsunade don't hold a candle to his genius? Come on now you must be jelly of Hashirama's wood!

No my friend it's naruto the god

 

[leezagboola]

This is another case of has the student surpassed the master. No, if at best it is stated her jutsu is the same as Hashi's then she would only be equal to or less than.
Considering she has to store chakra for the Byakugou for a long period of time and it lowers her life span with each use, I would say it is less than Hashi's even if he can only use his with the sage mode as sage mode doesnt limit your life span and can be used numerous times as long as the user is able to rest and concentrate. But sage mode just amplifies your chakra, and when others took hashi's cells they were able to use the regeneration (eg obitio) whilst not in the sage mode, so I dont think it requires sage mode anyways. The Byakugou however takes ages to store.

I will say however that Tsunade was able to find cures for Chiyo's poisons, fix Lee's leg and create an arm for Naruto, which shows her skill and understanding of medical ninjutsu rather than just being able to heal anything like Hashi. His jutsu isnt really explained, he just has this supreme power which would be difficult to surpass.

 

[shelke]

Tsunade's Byakugo seal healing is FAR superior. A simple analysis can prove this:

Hashirama is stabbed by regular black-rods (while in SM at that), and he's out of commission:

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Sakura tanks a TSB that, absolutely, kills anyone without Sage's Senjutsu with the seal activated:

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So, how is Hashirama's healing superior than the Sousou? Even DB IV disagrees:

Byakogou Sousou Saisei

For several years using the highest most precise chakra control, a fixed amount is stored in the Byakugou seal. The chakra is usually put to use to regenerate the body through the Ninjutsu technique "Sousou Saisei", the combination results in the ultimate regeneration Jutsu.

The seal was able to regenerate the body, despite Tsunade chakra quantity being less than the enormous chakra quantity of Shodai Hokage.

When Ninpo "Sousou Saisei" is used at the same time as "Byakugou no Jutsu", it becomes possible to use it (Sousou Saisei) over a long period of time. When one’s life is affected by grave wounds pushed to the point where they'd normally die; one’s body is instantly returned to an unwounded condition. Than it just talks about the rules of medical ninjutsu where broken with the completion of such a marvelous Ninjutsu as this.

Release the chakra stored in ones forehead. Wounds completely recover, while at the same time ones own power rises*, however cell division quickens, which shortens ones life span.

This is the ultimate regeneration Jutsu proven by Hashirama puffing like a decript old man from black-rod stabs, when Sakura completely shrugged off a TSB stab that would kill anyone on contact. To blatantly disregard the manga like that ... that is some Hashirama-wankery I am seeing here. Take off your anti-Sakura/Tsunade blinders.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

When you got wood you can heal anything.

Hashirama's healing has nothing to do with Mokuton.

Read the manga

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Madara took back two of those things.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Sage mode gives the user a lot more healing power than the forehead seal. Especially Hashirama's since it's Mokuton related, and Mokuton is the strongest element.

Not to mention Hashirama's healing doesn't shorten your life span, while Tsunade's does.

1. Sage Mode does not give any healing power. It's a regeneration technique, not an SM power. It might get improved in SM though, but no one said that Hashirama's base healing is on par with Tsunade's Byakugou.
2. Hashirama's healing has nothing to do with Mokuton.
3. Where did you get the false idea about Mokuton being the strongest element?

Tsunade's sozo saisei > Hashirama's sage mode healing effect. This is a fact and seen in the manga.

@bold Where did you get that? Sage Mode doesn't provide healing effect. It only empowers it.

Madara stated that Tsunade's healing was inferior to Hashirama's, before she activated her seal.

Fact being, Hashirama's healing is superior to her's at that moment. Tsunade later activates the seal, and then Madara states that their healing is on the same level, or close to.

However, unlike Tsunade, Hashirama is capable of accessing the same leveling of healing she has with the Byakguou activated, without it. Meaning he is superior. Tsunade needs the Byakguou to have the same healing power Hashirama has.

3rd grade simplicity

Hashirama's peak regeneration = Tsunade's peak regeneration (Byakugou), disadvantages aside.

It's a mangafact that Hashirama's is better.

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Madara wouldn't spend 2 pages wanking Hashirama's healing power if it was > than Tsunades. Not to mention,
Hashirama's healing power allowed rinne tensei Madara to keep on fighting after getting smacked around by the bijuu. He even said because he had

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it allowed him to not fight as seriously. Given the that Madara only had a watered down version of this healing from the man boob he had. We can assume Prime Hashirama's is even stronger than what was shown in the manga.

He took that back.

Just like Indra & Ambivalence stated above
After Madara witnessed Tsunades Byakugo in action he said it was

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<- That's the Viz btw. However as we're trying to tell you, Hashirama's is better because he was able to do More with less. He didn't need Byakugo.

Then you have to state is clearly that "Hashirama's similar level of healing is superior", that's why THAT technique is better.

What's there to explain?

-Databook states Hashirama's healing prowess is unsurpassed by any shinobi

-Tsunade admitted inferiority in the manga

@red "Unsurpassed" means it is second to none, means nothing can be greater but it can be equal. Plus, it's not clear whether the DB is referring to the specific healing technique used by them (in which Hashirama is superior) or it includes Byakugou (which has equal healing power to Hashirama). Neither does it give any idea about Hashirama's SM improved healing stacking up against Tsunade's Byakugou.

@blue About her medical ninjutsu with Byakugou in terms of healing & regeneration power? Where?

Tsunade's Byakugo seal healing is FAR superior. A simple analysis can prove this:

Hashirama is stabbed by regular black-rods (while in SM at that), and he's out of commission:

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Sakura tanks a TSB that, absolutely, kills anyone without Sage's Senjutsu with the seal activated:

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So, how is Hashirama's healing superior than the Sousou? Even DB IV disagrees:



This is the ultimate regeneration Jutsu proven by Hashirama puffing like a decript old man from black-rod stabs, when Sakura completely shrugged of a TSB stab that would kill anyone on contact. To blatantly disregard the manga like that ... that is some Hashirama-wankery I am seeing here. Take off your anti-Sakura/Tsunade blinders.

Black rods =/= TSB though. We don't know if Hashirama's healing could heal that...

 

[shelke]

Black rods =/= TSB though. We don't know if Hashirama's healing could heal that...

Which is the point. The latter are far more powerful and kill anyone without the Sage's Senjutsu on contact. She shrugged that off. The black rods also have an association with Rinnegan. They are far less powerful. It is a huge feat.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

No my friend it's naruto the god

Naruto makes Hashi jelly.

 

[Kushina san]

Tsunade's Byakugo seal healing is FAR superior. A simple analysis can prove this:

Hashirama is stabbed by regular black-rods (while in SM at that), and he's out of commission:

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Sakura tanks a TSB that, absolutely, kills anyone without Sage's Senjutsu with the seal activated:

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So, how is Hashirama's healing superior than the Sousou? Even DB IV disagrees:



This is the ultimate regeneration Jutsu proven by Hashirama puffing like a decript old man from black-rod stabs, when Sakura completely shrugged off a TSB stab that would kill anyone on contact. To blatantly disregard the manga like that ... that is some Hashirama-wankery I am seeing here. Take off your anti-Sakura/Tsunade blinders.

Madara uses the black rods to immobilize Hashirama with his chakra, not for to kill him (who can not die because it is a edo).

Madara has not tried to immobilize Sakura,he wanted to kill her.

Even Hashirama (alive), in the situation of Sakura, probably would be healed.

 

[shelke]

Madara uses the black rods to immobilize Hashirama with his chakra, not for to kill him (who can not die because it is a edo).

Madara has not tried to immobilize Sakura,he wanted to kill her.

Even Hashirama (alive), in the situation of Sakura, probably would be healed.

He could have after he extracted his SM. But, he didn't have TSBs which are several chakra natures working together in tandem. They also exhibit a Jinton-like phenomenon. Also, black-rods hardly have any function other than being chakra transmitters, which is why they disturb chakra and prevent ninjutsu usage in a foreign body.

A TSB can destroy an Edo's body. Cue to Minato having no arms.

Based on what? Nothing indicates it. Nothing proves it. This makes SS, automatically, far superior.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Which is the point. The latter are far more powerful and kill anyone without the Sage's Senjutsu on contact. She shrugged that off. The black rods also have an association with Rinnegan. They are far less powerful. It is a huge feat.

Well, that's a notable feat. But black rods aren't just weaker, they work differently i.e. by shutting down the chakra points.

Naruto makes Hashi jelly.

Why? Cuz he has a pet for healing and Hashi doesn't?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Why? Cuz he has a pet for healing and Hashi doesn't?

Two are better than one. Naruto has 9 pets while Hashirama has none.

Naruto >>> Hashirama.

 

[lndra]

Madara took back two of those things.

Yeah he later then said that Tsunade's healing process with the Byakguou was similar to Hashirama's. But we knew this in our argument. Tsunade needs the Byakguou to match Hashirama's healing prowess.

lml at the guy saying it's superior :lol

Edit; Did this guy really use the TSB/Black rod argument? Wow.

 

[shelke]

Well, that's a notable feat. But black rods aren't just weaker, they work differently i.e. by shutting down the chakra points.

You don't think rods that instantly kill on touch and work in a Jinton-like fashion are much more powerful?

Oh great, Indra is spewing anti-Sakura/Tsunade garbage again. Reminds me of that Kamui stupidity of his.

 

[Kushina san]

Two are better than one. Naruto has 9 pets while Hashirama has none.

Naruto >>> Hashirama.

Well, even JesusNaruto with his free power ups he needs Hashirama cells to heal his arm. But this is not the right thread for discuss....

Anyway, Hashi>Tsunade for me.

 

[shelke]

Well, even JesusNaruto with his free power ups he needs Hashirama cells to heal his arm. But this is not the right thread for discuss....

Anyway, Hashi>Tsunade for me.

Fair enough.