[VS] Kaku vs Jabra
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I don't know seeing how Kaku didn't tekkai and why are talking about Zoro? Even if Tekkai was being broken it seems the attack weaken while breaking through seeing how he was able to withstand a lot of the force of Zoro's tatsumaki prior to avoiding it. Your whole point seems to revolve around if Kaku can get one shotted so can Jaburya so you can't downplay Kaku. Which is all honest doesn't work at all, Jaburya had the overall better deference and better durability feats. You can't assume Kaku's defense and durability is on par especially when Jaburya specialized in the one defensive form of rokushiki.
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Jyabura didn't have better defence(without tekkai) and we are assuming here that his tekkai is actually stronger just not more versatile. As to why both get one shot, one shishi sonson was going to break tekkai and hurt kaku and he had not choice but to use a rankyaku to stop it. And that rankyaku was insignificant in comparison to the rankyaku amanedachi's demonstration let alone the final one which in turns was nothing against Asura. The powet gap there is just too big for their tekkai to overcome.
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He specializes in tekkai it's safe to assume his is stronger, that's like me assuming them have equal rankyaku's because Zoro would be able to disperse both it doesn't work like that. Again just because they could both get one shotted doesn't mean their defenses are the strength. Again you bring up Zoro when I know he beats both, the point is nothing but Amadichi is beating Jabuya while Jaburya doesn't have to rely on one attack to beat Kaku.
No it depends on the feats. Kaku showed an attack of great DC with his rankyaku and turns out it wasn't even the final one. Jyabura showed ability to use it while moving, but still even after that if we give him the benefit of doubt. His "superior" defence would still get breached by Kaku's "superior" Rankyaku/offense. He had to do one of those to counter zoro's attack instantly.
It's a bit tricky but why I think this would work against Jabra too is because, First, kaku's rankyaku>his tekkai, more so in his giraffe form since it greatly helps in that specifically and he used that against zoro. So Zoro's shishi sonson was infact well above the limit of a 2200 douriki tekkai user. And if it was much more than what was required, it(shishi sonson) should also be able to hurt a better tekkai user(Jyabura) to whatever extent in battle. And if it can, so would kaku.
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When Franky wondered about why his attacks couldn't hurt Lucci despite breaking Fukuros tekkai, Lucci answered by saying that his doriki is five times his. In a sense he implied that hardness of ones tekkai is directly proportional to his/her doriki so it's only logical to assume that Kakus defense is better. Not to mention the obvious boost he gains from his fruit.
Why are people talking about rankyaku as if Kaku needed it to break Jyabura's tekkai. Tekkai strength depends on doriki, which means that someone having a higher doriki strength can break the tekkai of the one having the lower doriki strength with just his physical hits alone. Not only Kaku is the one with higher doriki but the humongous body of the giraffe increase his physical hits to much greater extent. The Mouchikirin will pulverize Jyabura
On a side note, lets say Jyabura was stronger than Kaku. I hear Sanji fans always claiming that he mid diffed Jyabura when Zoro high diffed him(sometimes even extreme diff). Does it mean they think Sanji was stronger than Zoro? Hell scratch that. That he could mid-high diff him
On a side note, lets say Jyabura was stronger than Kaku. I hear Sanji fans always claiming that he mid diffed Jyabura when Zoro high diffed him(sometimes even extreme diff). Does it mean they think Sanji was stronger than Zoro? Hell scratch that. That he could mid-high diff him
Yeah I know Kaku's rokushiki is better but just in tekkai's case, I gave it to Jyabura because that doriki gap can be covered with being a specialist in it. Though like I said it won't be doing much against Kaku's offense.
This is certain not the case seeing how Zoro's regular slashes wasn't breaking Kaku's tekkai even when he buffed up his muscles he couldn't break through. Jabruya's tekkai isn't not being shattered by physical hits from Kaku. Kaku has the slightly higher but Jaburya is better versed in tekkai period. Nothing is busting Jaburya tekkai bar amadichi or whatever the name is, Sanji barley broke Jaburya's tekkai without using DJ so Mouchikirin isn't pulverizing anything.
There was literally no difference between between the first and final one, it didn't look stronger at all period. Yes Jaburya's defense can be breached I never denied that at all but seeing how everyone bar Usopp who Zoro had to save was able to dodge the move it's not hitting Jaburya. First off Kaku's average rankyaku isn't busting tekkai, those things were getting parried by Zoro easily and Kaku's own tekkai took his ranyaku shower easily. Not to mention Kaku's rankyaku didn't cancel shishi sonson. Zoro still ends up right behind Kaku, it seems that he diverted the blow seeing how Zoro was in the finishing position. if Zoro was actually stopped and his rankyaku had enough force to cancel him out he would of likely been thrown back or remained in the same instead of behind Kaku. Like I said none of Kaku's regular moves are busting Jaburya's tekkai.
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That simply means that Kaku's physical strength was higher than Zoro's until Asura was used. Which makes sense as Kaku had a Zoan DF, which boosts physical strength, and on top of that it was a Zoan of an animal that is notoriously physically powerful in the animal kingdom.
Also, Bogard is correct. Rokushiki is directly affected by Doriki. If Kaku's is higher, then it makes perfect sense he can get through Jabra's Tekkai.
He's just better at using but that doesn't necessarily mean that his tekkai is stronger. A Giraffes body is much more durable than that of a wolf. Kaku in base has superior douriki which determines the level of ones tekkai as noted by Lucci so Kaku should logically have better defense than Jyabra.
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Yup^^^ Jabra simply had a skill with Tekkai that no one else had, but his Tekkai was still inferior to Lucci's and Kaku's in terms of pure strength.
That's true. Valid point about Kaku being a giraffe, naturally one wolf is pretty much insignificant compared to a giraffe. I am myself not totally certain if Jyabura's tekkai is "stronger" but based only on the fact that he could use it even while moving, I gave him the benefit of doubt that he can cover over that 20 doriki difference(for his tekkai). It can very well be this way that he can just use tekkai while moving but the defence capability is still the same, like that of a 2180 doriki user.
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jabra has more speed and sharp claws which will shread the giraffes neck into pieces
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Jabra won't be able to break Kaku's Tekkai. Besides, Zoro's swords are sharp, you're saying that Jabra with his claws can do better than Zoro with his swords?
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Base Zoro had more brute strength than DF Kaku. In a clash of brute strength(bigan vs a 2 sword technique), Zoro overpowered Kaku and sent him flying.
Anyways, Kaku was overpowering Zoro due to his range while Jabra was going back n' forth against a weakened Sanji(he fought Kalifa and had his strength drained by soap). A weakened Sanji had an easier time against Jabra than fresh Zoro against Kaku. That alone says DF Kaku>DF Jabra high diff.
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Of course Zoro won that clash. It was the strength of Zoro's entire body vs the strength of Kaku's neck.
Was there any indication that the damage delivered to Sanji was lasting? Just because he was bleeding doesn't mean he was significantly damaged, especially when it was from someone Nami could defeat.
Kaku was able to overpower Zoro in CQC as well.