[Discussion] Solution to Humanity

[Yubel]

In our society we have so many groups and we divide people by race and gender. White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, Men, Women etc. Our governments have been using a divide and conquer strategy for decades if not centuries but you know what would really scare them? It would be unity, if races saw past each others differences, if men and women stopped trying to one up each other and made love the world would know peace. It would scare the crap out of our governments because it will be in that moment that they will have lost all power they had over us.

 

[Joon]

"Scare the crap out of the Government"


Without THE PEOPLE, Government does not exist.

And humanity is the problem. We must wipe out humanity. u_u

 

[Yubel]

"Scare the crap out of the Government"


Without THE PEOPLE, Government does not exist.

And humanity is the problem. We must wipe out humanity. u_u

What does your statement have to do with what I said. Without your parents you wouldn't exist, what's your point?

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Nothing gonna change that humans always fear things different than them even if these differences are subdued then there will be new ones or they will find new ones to divide by and only thing you can do is to change yourself then if you can ones around you.

 

[Yubel]

Nothing gonna change that humans always fear things different than them even if these differences are subdued then there will be new ones or they will find new ones to divide by and only thing you can do is to change yourself then if you can ones around you.

Every person on this earth is different, everyone is unique in their own way. There will never be another you. Now does that mean you should go around fearing others because they're different? No, they're just walking a different path than you're doing.

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

How bout we just stop hating and being salty. Boom. Humanity is safe

 

[Nobel]

How bout we just stop hating and being salty. Boom. Humanity is safe

^^^^^this

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[Dark Sonic]

Fear → Hate → Violence

 

[Wabbit]

It is not easy to address their problems if you are not going to classify them.
If they don't have that that means some groups loose their privileges and special treatment by gobernments. Why would they make governments stop treating them special?

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Every person on this earth is different, everyone is unique in their own way. There will never be another you. Now does that mean you should go around fearing others because they're different? No, they're just walking a different path than you're doing.

That's where it starts.... people forgets they're all humans to begin with and they get along with ones that's similer to them and get in to conflict with ones different than them so and so creating divides you talks about though it doesn't mean one must fear others that's different than them that's what happens and how many you think will understand that's what happening ? many won't till it's too late .

 

[Sir Francis Drake]

Humanity should just scoop my weed.

 

[Marin]

Scare the goverment.. Brilliant!

 

[Aim64C]

In our society we have so many groups and we divide people by race and gender. White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, Men, Women etc. Our governments have been using a divide and conquer strategy for decades if not centuries but you know what would really scare them? It would be unity, if races saw past each others differences, if men and women stopped trying to one up each other and made love the world would know peace. It would scare the crap out of our governments because it will be in that moment that they will have lost all power they had over us.

Unite... for what?

And therein lay the problem.

The thing is that we are all divided, and we are all separate. We have our own interests, we have our own lifestyles, and we have our own ambitions. It is rare that we are all moving in any one direction at any given time - and arguably some of the worst crimes are committed against individuals when society does move in one direction.

The Maoist revolutions.

The Stalin and Bolshevik revolutions.

The Nazi revolution.

The French revolution.

Those all started as "power to the people" movements that resulted in people being thrown in jail and executed upon suspicion of being in allegiance with what was being unified against - "the nobility" - or "capitalists" - or whatever.

Some of the worst crimes against the Constitution that persist to this day gained their footing in the unification under Roosevelt in the Depression leading up to World War II - and even worse ones came out of the nationalist push to war before the Cold War government-industrial complex set in.

The illusion is that there is an "us."

You and I likely have very different ideas on how a government should run, what constitutes a crime deserving punishment, what I should or should not be allowed to do as a business owner, etc. These conflicts still exist even when there is a unified push against the established authority structure - and typically end up being the motivator for a revolution to begin eating its own. I'm a free market kind of guy - and while I am no fan of the cronyism under this government - that will not be the rhetoric that circulates about people like myself, who will quickly be labeled as no different than the tyrants who were just overthrown (once we object to communist policies that will surely be the backbone of any unconstrained revolution).

The solution?

The solution is to draft a new Constitution. Or, likely - to draft up several, and let regions pass into law their respective Constitutions re-founding the nation.

That means the nation will divide and the United States will no longer exist under a single federal system...

But the reality is that a classical revolution to remove an old authority and assert a new one over the same region will result in extremely high casualties in America - and elsewhere.

 

[Yubel]

Unite... for what?

And therein lay the problem.

The thing is that we are all divided, and we are all separate. We have our own interests, we have our own lifestyles, and we have our own ambitions. It is rare that we are all moving in any one direction at any given time - and arguably some of the worst crimes are committed against individuals when society does move in one direction.

The Maoist revolutions.

The Stalin and Bolshevik revolutions.

The Nazi revolution.

The French revolution.

Those all started as "power to the people" movements that resulted in people being thrown in jail and executed upon suspicion of being in allegiance with what was being unified against - "the nobility" - or "capitalists" - or whatever.

Some of the worst crimes against the Constitution that persist to this day gained their footing in the unification under Roosevelt in the Depression leading up to World War II - and even worse ones came out of the nationalist push to war before the Cold War government-industrial complex set in.

The illusion is that there is an "us."

You and I likely have very different ideas on how a government should run, what constitutes a crime deserving punishment, what I should or should not be allowed to do as a business owner, etc. These conflicts still exist even when there is a unified push against the established authority structure - and typically end up being the motivator for a revolution to begin eating its own. I'm a free market kind of guy - and while I am no fan of the cronyism under this government - that will not be the rhetoric that circulates about people like myself, who will quickly be labeled as no different than the tyrants who were just overthrown (once we object to communist policies that will surely be the backbone of any unconstrained revolution).

The solution?

The solution is to draft a new Constitution. Or, likely - to draft up several, and let regions pass into law their respective Constitutions re-founding the nation.

That means the nation will divide and the United States will no longer exist under a single federal system...

But the reality is that a classical revolution to remove an old authority and assert a new one over the same region will result in extremely high casualties in America - and elsewhere.

As long as we acknowledge each other even if we lead separate lives as we should as individuals it would make a huge difference. I don't believe unity to be the same thing as conformity, we should each be free to live as the unique individuals we are because there will never be another you.

 

[Aim64C]

As long as we acknowledge each other even if we lead separate lives as we should as individuals it would make a huge difference.

I don't think you understand.

What are we unifying for?

Sure: "A better life" - but what does that mean?

What about life is going to get better, and how?

The problem is that you believe there is an "us." You believe there is something different about the people in authority, right now - that there is a distinction between "them" and "us." If "we" were "in control" - then things would be better, because we would be rid of the demi-gods that have abused their positions.

There is nothing different about them. They are us. We are them. The "elite" are not a race. They are people who have taken advantage of circumstances and employed their talents to get where they are. Some of them have done so honestly, many of them have been deviants.

The idea that there is an "us" to unify against "them" is the failure to realize that we become "them" in the transition, and thus will be completely unprepared to deal with the consequences of a transition of power.

The French Revolution started the same way, and ended when the population was physically unable to haul people off to be killed. The people who started the revolution were eventually hauled off and killed by their own activists for lacking the proper virtues to live within the same society.

Once you start the bloody ball rolling - it's a difficult one to stop.

Even the much more controlled American Revolution had its own issues with revolutionary inertia. The Constitution came out of the abyssal failure of the Continental Congress that had armies marched against it on more than one occasion - and Washington had to plead with his generals and his troops to get them to stand down.

Of course those in 'elite' positions are concerned. Why do you think they continually try to control who can broadcast information over the internet (Net Neutrality was passed specifically to give the government jurisdiction over how bandwidth was allocated on the internet and to give 'authorities' the ability to literally strangle network traffic they want suppressed - it does absolutely nothing to free up the internet - it is precisely the opposite)? Why do you think they are always ranting and raving about gun control?

They already know that 0.1% of the population being upset enough to commit to guerrilla attacks against them is a 400,000 man insurgency that can and will nail them any time they take a peek out the window.

They're already scared. metus es plenus tyrannis. The Sword of Damocles hangs above the throne of power, regardless of who sits upon it.

 

[Yubel]

I don't think you understand.

What are we unifying for?

Sure: "A better life" - but what does that mean?

What about life is going to get better, and how?

The problem is that you believe there is an "us." You believe there is something different about the people in authority, right now - that there is a distinction between "them" and "us." If "we" were "in control" - then things would be better, because we would be rid of the demi-gods that have abused their positions.

There is nothing different about them. They are us. We are them. The "elite" are not a race. They are people who have taken advantage of circumstances and employed their talents to get where they are. Some of them have done so honestly, many of them have been deviants.

The idea that there is an "us" to unify against "them" is the failure to realize that we become "them" in the transition, and thus will be completely unprepared to deal with the consequences of a transition of power.

The French Revolution started the same way, and ended when the population was physically unable to haul people off to be killed. The people who started the revolution were eventually hauled off and killed by their own activists for lacking the proper virtues to live within the same society.

Once you start the bloody ball rolling - it's a difficult one to stop.

Even the much more controlled American Revolution had its own issues with revolutionary inertia. The Constitution came out of the abyssal failure of the Continental Congress that had armies marched against it on more than one occasion - and Washington had to plead with his generals and his troops to get them to stand down.

Of course those in 'elite' positions are concerned. Why do you think they continually try to control who can broadcast information over the internet (Net Neutrality was passed specifically to give the government jurisdiction over how bandwidth was allocated on the internet and to give 'authorities' the ability to literally strangle network traffic they want suppressed - it does absolutely nothing to free up the internet - it is precisely the opposite)? Why do you think they are always ranting and raving about gun control?

They already know that 0.1% of the population being upset enough to commit to guerrilla attacks against them is a 400,000 man insurgency that can and will nail them any time they take a peek out the window.

They're already scared. metus es plenus tyrannis. The Sword of Damocles hangs above the throne of power, regardless of who sits upon it.

We'll unite for a better neighborhood, a better community, a better town, a better city, a better country and a better world. If we were unified as a species we would quickly eliminate alot of the problems that are currently in the world, wars would stop, corruption wouldn't have a place in the world. Poverty would end and a load of other things that I can't even think of right now. A better world means a better life for everyone regardless of their separate goals and ambitions.

 

[Bored38]

The only solution in my op is for ppl to learn to govern themselves. If that day ever comes, we will no longer need to be governed by others. We are meant to be soverign, we are all equal and we should be united as such. But it all begins with self governance.

 

[Yubel]

The only solution in my op is for ppl to learn to govern themselves. If that day ever comes, we will no longer need to be governed by others. We are meant to be soverign, we are all equal and we should be united as such. But it all begins with self governance.

I agree with this statement. However, what do you say to those who are sick or can't take care of themselves?

 

[Bored38]

I agree with this statement. However, what do you say to those who are sick or can't take care of themselves?

Tbh I dont think self governance is possible if you cant let love rule your emotions and your decisions, but if you can, than I think that would answer your question.