Lol.......................buddy are you even reading anymore? Or are you only listening to yourself talk?
1.Asuma is NOT Bee Samehada is not gonna be that big ass chakra eating monster.
2.lmfao maybe you should pay more attention to your own scans, "The Sword Parried" Do you understand what that means? It means Samehada is doing most the work.
This is not taking place against Asuma, so please gtfo here with this irrelevant trash.
Size of Samehada does not fucking matter. The reaction speed does.
Samehada or Kisame. Once again, it does not fucking matter who parries. Samehada is in Kisame's hands, and he can do whatever the fuck he wants with Samehada. Or that you want to reach for more straws and take away Samehada's feats. :lol
Huh?
Did Asuma have intel on Kisame buddy? What does having intel have to do with Asuma blocking or dodging every single strike Kisame had to offer?
Great Job dancing around the points again and focusing on Bee, you're doing great.
Intel does matter in a huge way. Kisame turns his head and dodges Asuma's attack without any effort. Kisame was smiling at Asuma the whole time while dodging his thrust. Why he was caught? Because of having no intel on Asuma's chakra blade ability.
Hm? I'm only using the databook to back up the manga. You lot were crying Kisame kept up with Base Gai and what not and so the feats against Asuma make no sense.........
Lol bring me some "manga facts" buddy wtf do you think those panels on Asuma vs Kisame are?
You were blabbing about Asuma being >Kakashi and Gai in cqc, when manga slaps you in the face when it shows Kakashi keeping up with Hidan plus Kakuzu's wind mask. So the databook statement goes straight into the garbage bin.
Ok point to me where the assistance from Kakuzu's mask's have to do with Hidan matching Kakashi in CQC, Kakashi even went on the offensive and couldn't land one blow on Hidan.
smh this is sad that I have to break even the simplest of things for you. Why it's significant for Kakashi to fight both Hidan and the mask? The answer is in the question, but I know you can't find it so I'll answer it for you. It was because Kakashi was fighting "2" opponents. He had to keep watch for attacks coming from both sides. He had to block Hidan's attacks while looking out for the mask.
Yea and what is the excuse for the second time around?
Ofcourse this is the excuse right? Lol so Kakashi was sooo drained from a wind blast which we have no idea what it actually did to Kakashi. So now whats the excuse for the first encounter? In this one its the wind mask, in the first one its him trying to back away from Kakashi? Will it ever be Hidan matching Kakashi in CQC?
Except you keep acting like a mismatch against Bee means anything for his battle against Asuma.
Thats 1.
2. Asuma matched with Hidan who was on par with Kakashi.
How about you stop listening to yourself talk and actually look at whats going on in the manga. Your pathetic attempt of making Asuma look weak because he lost to Hidan ended up in the gutter.
Crossed out every single bullshit I've addressed.
Irony once again kicks in @bold when you're saying Asuma is >Gai and Kakashi in cqc, when manga shits all over you and whatever retarded shit you spew.
hahaha how about you do some research before you start calling people out.
Hidan was talking about his scythe which is attached to that long ass rope. Are you mental? Sheer attack speed from up close he was matching both Asuma and Kakashi in speed. The same Asuma who was making Kisame's attack speed look like childs play, dancing around it like it was no biggie.
So learn the context of whatever the **** you're calling people out on before getting your panties wet. You just ended up looking like a moron.
Hidan right out states he has the slowest attacking speed in the akatsuki? What are you denying here? Manga? That wouldn't be the first time. I'll take Hidan's words right out of his mouth over YOUR opinion.
And Samehada and Kisame both displayed the ability to easily counter Bee's speed. If he didn't have that required speed, then Bee's strikes would've easily bypassed Samehada and would've easily tagged Bee.
1- They didn't counter Bee's speed. Kisame only had enough speed to put samehada inside Bee's range, and Bee by himself went right to it, entered the absortion range and got his chakra absorbed. Again, Kisame never did outspeed Bee. He only had enough reflexes to put samehada close to Bee. As soon as contact was made, Samehada absorbed the chakra
2- Still that doesn't proof anything. Having enough striking speed to use Samehada as a shield =/= having high enough striking speed to hit Asuma. And that's exactly what happeed, Asuma reacted to Kisame's sstriking speed, which is not fast enough to hit Bee, what happened is a different thing.
Based on feats from the manga and even from what the Databook shows.
Okay, based from feats of the manga we have: Asuma reacting to kisame's striking speed. Based from the databook we have: Asuma as an agile and fast fighter and expert of CQC.
Please explain your logic or don't even quote me again because this is getting dumb to argue-
Lol, come back to me when Base Gai loses to the slowest member of the Akatsuki
-Lmao, Hidan is not the slowest member of Akatsuki, read the manga again dude. He only has slow striking speed, which he complements with his unorthodox way of fighting, cathing Asuma out of guard
-Hidan could tag Asuma while Kisame could not
-Hidan pressured Kakashi. Again, please i beg you, explain what kind of retarded logic you're using.
despite having help from an experienced Jonin level ninja
Base Gai could literally pressure War Arc Obito and Kisame literally cawk-blocked that same guy despite being chakra-deprived and his own reflexes were high enough to cast a Water Prison on Gai, point-blank.
-First of all, being chakra deprived doesn't mean shit in CQC. Since that version of Kisame could do anything that didn't involve more than 30% of his chakra
-Gai never got outspeed by Kisame, again, he got overwhelmed by Kisame's strenght, the exact same shit happened to Asuma
-You say his high reflexes are enough to put Gai under water prison when Gai got caught off guard, and that exact same speed and reflexes did not work against Asuma. I'm still waiting a direct link that shows me part 2 kisame > part 1 Kisame please.
Even then, Kisame was confident he could handle Team Hebi despite being aware of Hebi Sasuke taking down a Sannin. Asuma has no feats to suggest he can handle a team of highly skilled Jonin and a Sannin level opponent and Kisame himself is well aware of his capabilities as he conceded to being inferior to a Mokuton User and 2 Jinchuuriki, but not to Team Hebi.
Irrelevant on how part 1 Kisame << Part 2 Kisame. Lmao. And Asuma can counter it with his wind vaccum by the way.
In P2, however, Kisame utilized Water Prison instantaneously against multiple opponents, including Base Gai from point-blank range and his Water Clones were capable of capturing Jonin Ninja within their Prisons with relative ease. Can Asuma actually replicate this?
Okay, i'm gonna write in capitals because you really showed to have no reading comprehension.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW ON EARTH IS KISAME (IN PART 2) FASTER OR BETTER IN CQC THAN KISAME IN PART 1, AND YOU COME UP WITH THIS? HOW IS IT EVEN RELATED?
Because Kisame's immense Suiton creates a massive disparity between P2 Kisame and P1 Kisame.
P1 Kisame was literally portrayed to struggle against P1 Kakashi who wasn't even a Kage Level opponent and even Jiraiya stated that Akatsuki constantly develop new skills and jutsu along the way. The Akatsuki aren't sitting on their ass doing nothing, they're literally developing their own abilities.
P2 Kisame, however, displayed the ability to react and overpower 2 Kage Level opponents, with 1 of the Kage level ninja accompanied by highly skilled Jonin level ninja, and even displayed the ability to force that Kage level ninja to open the 7th Gates to even counter his Massive Suiton and that was done by a Weakened Kisame.
Please do tell how P1 Kisame wasn't inferior to P2 Kisame?
No they do not.
1. Asuma lost to the slowest of the Akatsuki despite having a Jonin Level Ninja's support.
2. Gai was actually respected and feared by the Akatsuki based on his Taijutsu prowess and even Kakashi's speed and reflexes weren't respected at such a level. Hell, Kakuzu believed that Hidan could actually defeat Asuma and his team of Jonin and only conceded to Hidan losing if he were careless.
3. Databook canonically places Gai as Asuma's superior in Speed and Taijutsu.
4. Asuma, as I stated before, gets murked by Hidan whereas Base Gai displays reflexes above KCM Naruto in CQC.
Again, how is Asuma even comparable to Gai in speed and reflexes?
It's more like:
P1 Kisame fought on par w/ Asuma, but absolutely overpowered Base Gai in CQC. Manga absolutely supports the notion that Base Gai >> Asuma and thus, Asuma gets murked.
What reason do we have to believe that P1 Kisame = P2 Kisame? You haven't provided any evidence to support that notion.
Okay, i won't keep quoting argument by argument. If you quote back, just answer this.
We don't have any feats of Kisame's large scale suiton on part 1. Then, i say Asuma can react to Kisame's striking speed, so you must proof that Kisame's speed grew, or gtfo with irrelevant examples. I never said Asuma beats Kisame for the love of god.
Please show me how on earth is Kisame p2 > p1 when:
-Suiton never got showed on p1, and by evidence, he did have it back then (he not using it against asuma is irrelevant here)
-There's no evidence or reason for his speed having growth
Asuma could do that in part 1 too (no reason to believe he couldn't). The reason he can't do that is because he activated it at last moment so Kisame didn't see it. He can pull out such a big hien at last moment, if he does, he misses the time.
1- They didn't counter Bee's speed. Kisame only had enough speed to put samehada inside Bee's range, and Bee by himself went right to it, entered the absortion range and got his chakra absorbed. Again, Kisame never did outspeed Bee. He only had enough reflexes to put samehada close to Bee. As soon as contact was made, Samehada absorbed the chakra
Actually, Kisame had the speed required to set up a guard, and shift his body to actually prepare himself for a strike from V1 Bee. You can tell he shifted his body and then continued to parry his strike with Samehada. If Kisame didn't physically react, then Samehada wouldn't have been able to make physical contact with his chakra before Bee inflicts a fatal wound.
So Kisame did react. He displayed that he was capable of reacting to Base Bee's attacks, even at point-blank range. The only reason he struggled was due to having to contend with another shinobi who wielded a powerful axe.
2- Still that doesn't proof anything. Having enough striking speed to use Samehada as a shield =/= having high enough striking speed to hit Asuma. And that's exactly what happeed, Asuma reacted to Kisame's sstriking speed, which is not fast enough to hit Bee, what happened is a different thing.
If Base Gai = Asuma, then yes, Kisame does have the required speed to tag Asuma considering he had done so against Base Gai. Don't tell me you're suggesting that Asuma is superior to Base Gai.
Okay, based from feats of the manga we have: Asuma reacting to kisame's striking speed. Based from the databook we have: Asuma as an agile and fast fighter and expert of CQC.
Such a bull shit argument. I'm sorry, but you haven't convinced me. I already proved why P2 Kisame >> P1 Kisame and you keep using feats displayed in Part 1 to justify why he loses to Asuma. Until you prove that P1 Kisame is on par w/ P2 Kisame, you have no point here.
Please explain your logic or don't even quote me again because this is getting dumb to argue-
Lame attempt to avoid refuting the feats and statements I presented.
-Lmao, Hidan is not the slowest member of Akatsuki, read the manga again dude. He only has slow striking speed, which he complements with his unorthodox way of fighting, cathing Asuma out of guard
I did and Databook seems to support that notion as well considering he's the only Akatsuki member who remains in the 3.5 speed tier. Kratos has already presented the scan and that's further supported by the fact that Shikamaru could react to Hidan's strike at a very close-range w/o even being able to perceive Shikamaru's movement.
His fighting style isn't unorthodox and is never described as such. Base Gai's and Base Bee's have both been shown to be unpredictable whereas Hidan's has not.
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The purpose of his weapon is to enable him to attack from a long-range and still ensure that he succeeds in landing a clean hit. Shikamaru gives credit to Hidan's weapon, but he never once implies that Hidan's fighting style complements his technique.
So again, Hidan is the slowest member of the Akatsuki.
Hidan never pressured Kakashi. Kakashi was pressured by Kakuzu's AoE attacks and Kakashi managed to parry Hidan's blindside attacks despite being exhausted from using the Sharingan and 4 Raikiri's. Even Shikamaru reacted to Hidan. Had Kakashi not have been focused on Kakuzu, then Hidan would've been ****ed.
Has Hidan successfully tagged anybody at close-range who also holds a 5 in Speed and Taijutsu? It's important to emphasize the fact that Base Gai has always had a 5 in those stats, so they're naturally even higher once we approach Part 2
-First of all, being chakra deprived doesn't mean shit in CQC. Since that version of Kisame could do anything that didn't involve more than 30% of his chakra
Stamina is consumed while engaged in Taijutsu and Stamina is lost also consumed at the expense of Chakra. We even see this with SM Naruto where Pain commented on Naruto's speed deteriorating after his FRS.
-Gai never got outspeed by Kisame, again, he got overwhelmed by Kisame's strenght, the exact same shit happened to Asuma
Never said he did. Kisame was only fast enough to force Gai to block.
-You say his high reflexes are enough to put Gai under water prison when Gai got caught off guard, and that exact same speed and reflexes did not work against Asuma.
Okay, i'm gonna write in capitals because you really showed to have no reading comprehension.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW ON EARTH IS KISAME (IN PART 2) FASTER OR BETTER IN CQC THAN KISAME IN PART 1, AND YOU COME UP WITH THIS? HOW IS IT EVEN RELATED?
The ****? That's a clear representation of Kisame's speed and reflexes and it's important to note that Kisame's Suiton clones are even far weaker than the original is.
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Tell me, is this not a sign of reflexes? Gai actually felt the need to ambush Kisame with other Jonin ninja which Kisame then, reacted by performing a seal, and his clones then reacted quickly by casually blocking their attacks.
Okay, i won't keep quoting argument by argument. If you quote back, just answer this.
We don't have any feats of Kisame's large scale suiton on part 1.
Then, i say Asuma can react to Kisame's striking speed, so you must proof that Kisame's speed grew, or gtfo with irrelevant examples. I never said Asuma beats Kisame for the love of god.
1. Asuma lost to the slowest of the Akatsuki despite having a Jonin Level Ninja's support.
2. Gai was actually respected and feared by the Akatsuki based on his Taijutsu prowess and even Kakashi's speed and reflexes weren't respected at such a level. Hell, Kakuzu believed that Hidan could actually defeat Asuma and his team of Jonin and only conceded to Hidan losing if he were careless.
3. Databook canonically places Gai as Asuma's superior in Speed and Taijutsu.
4. Asuma, as I stated before, gets murked by Hidan whereas Base Gai displays reflexes above KCM Naruto in CQC.
Again, how is Asuma even comparable to Gai in speed and reflexes?
Kisame not only fought on par with Base Gai, but he literally forced Gai to rely on ambush using 3 Jonin Ninja which failed, and then continued to overpower Gai in CQC. Since Asuma is inferior in terms of speed and reflexes, I should certainly expect Kisame to have an easier time against Asuma. That's just comon sense.
Please show me how on earth is Kisame p2 > p1 when:
-Suiton never got showed on p1, and by evidence, he did have it back then (he not using it against asuma is irrelevant here)
Exactly what i'm saying. Kisame was fast enough to put samehada on the chakra absorption range.
So Kisame did react. He displayed that he was capable of reacting to Base Bee's attacks, even at point-blank range. The only reason he struggled was due to having to contend with another shinobi who wielded a powerful axe.
I never said Kisame didn't react to Bee. I said he never outspeeded him, which he didn't. He reacted and blocked his attack. When he was able to absorb Bee's chakra and Bee was not moving, he made a counter
If Base Gai = Asuma, then yes, Kisame does have the required speed to tag Asuma
This is where you make the mistake. Kisame only managed to hit Gai when Gai blocked samehada instead of doding, and got overpowered by his un human strenght. Exactly the same that happened to Asuma.
Such a bull shit argument. I'm sorry, but you haven't convinced me.
and you keep using feats displayed in Part 1 to justify why he loses to Asuma. Until you prove that P1 Kisame is on par w/ P2 Kisame, you have no point here.
Okay, so now, you're saying part 2 kisame >> part 1 Kisame, so you're the one with the burden of proof on your claim, yet, you don't have any kind of justification to your arguments since:
-Against Killer Bee, Kisame's reaction speed never influenced
-Against Gai, it happened the same thing that happened in the Asuma battle
-Me using Asuma feats dodging kisame's striking speed means Asuma would dodge Kisame's part 2 strikes (only normal cqc strikes with no other kind of influence) unless Kisame had grown tremmendously on that category (taijutsu), which he hasnt.
Lame attempt to avoid refuting the feats and statements I presented.
I did and Databook seems to support that notion as well considering he's the only Akatsuki member who remains in the 3.5 speed tier. Kratos has already presented the scan and that's further supported by the fact that Shikamaru could react to Hidan's strike at a very close-range w/o even being able to perceive Shikamaru's movement.
Hidan's strikind speed is lame, we al know that. He has high sunshin speed to pressure Kakashi, and has unortodox movements with his schyte. What are you trying to say here? Will you go against the manga? Kisame with just CQC would not be on par with Kakashi, in a million years. Don't forget, we're talking about just CQC here, no clones, no water prison or water ninjutsu.
His fighting style isn't unorthodox and is never described as such
Irrelevant since Bee did not use the sword dance against Kisame. He directly went with lariat and got his chakra absorbed. Gai's fighting style being unorthodox is irrelevant since i only mentioned Hidan's fighting style being unorthodox to justify Asuma having trouble with a slow opponent (who is not slow sunshin wise, just striking wise).
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The purpose of his weapon is to enable him to attack from a long-range and still ensure that he succeeds in landing a clean hit. Shikamaru gives credit to Hidan's weapon, but he never once implies that Hidan's fighting style complements his technique.
He has the slowest attacks because he has slow stiking speed. Sunshin wise, the slowest is zetsu, followed by Sasori, then Kakuzu, then Kisame and then goes Hidan by feats. Hidan may strike slow, but he's really fast to aproach the enemy.
On the taijutsu category there's no indication of him having grown at least with his striking speed. And that's what we're arguing, since you're the one saying Asuma can't react now to Kisame's strikes since he's part 2. Lmao.
Kakashi still had a lot of energy since he dodged Atsugai while being mid air, and intercepted Gian. Not to mention HIDAN'S SCHYTE WAS BROKEN and the ROPE WASN'T THERE which is the key to his surprise attack.
Even Shikamaru reacted to Hidan. Had Kakashi not have been focused on Kakuzu, then Hidan would've been ****ed.
Now databook > manga? Then let's just use databook which gives Asuma a 4.5 in taijutsu and speed, while Kisame has 4.5 in taijutsu and 4 in speed, letting us know Asuma is the winner. Plase..
Has Hidan successfully tagged anybody at close-range who also holds a 5 in Speed and Taijutsu? It's important to emphasize the fact that Base Gai has always had a 5 in those stats, so they're naturally even higher once we approach Part 2
Still bringing up the databook. And yet doesn't understand that Kisame didn't tag Gai with his speed, he just overpowered with his immense strenght. Also, Asuma has 4.5 and Hidan still tagged him, and yet he has 3.5 in the databook... how's that possible? Hidan is an expert on CQC.
You haven't provided EVEN ONE FEAT OF KISAME'S STRIKING SPEED having grown. You keep posting jutsu speed, reflexes and strenght... all things that he didn't show in part 1. And what he did show in part 1, he didn't show to have improved on it, and yet you're using it to say Asuma can't react to Kisame's striking speed.
Yes it does.
Stamina is consumed while engaged in Taijutsu and Stamina is lost also consumed at the expense of Chakra. We even see this with SM Naruto where Pain commented on Naruto's speed deteriorating after his FRS.
But was it a taijutsu strike? No, Kisame used a jutsu first, so his striking speed is not what pressured Gai. It was his movement speed and the earlier distraction. Plus, Gai DID NOT have knowledge on Kisame's super human strenghtl.
He was not forced to block. He blocked because it was better to dodge, but then regreted it when he felt kisame's strenght.
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No he wasn't. He clenched his fist before Kisame even made a seal.
LMFAOO and now you post a scan of Gai literally jumping inside the water prision?
-This doesn't talk about Kisame's striking speed, it talks about jutsu speed
-Gai didn't get outspeeded, he just jumped inside it. Lmao what a frigging stupid argument you gave there
Right before you provide evidence as to why P1 Kisame = P2 Kisame.
Evidence? There's no reason for him having grown tremmendously enough to put a difference. He was capturing talied beasts in part 1 and in part 2. So you're the one who must give evidence on why Kisame is so much stronger.
-Showing better feats doesn't mean he couldn't replicate that in part 1, when there's no reason to believe he improved at all
-On the striking speed category, he didn't shown anything better
-Asuma is reflexive and fast, failing to tag him doesn't mean anything when Hidan who's better than kisame at CQC had trouble
Did Kisame say he'd handle them with ninjutsu? :lol
The ****? That's a clear representation of Kisame's speed and reflexes and it's important to note that Kisame's Suiton clones are even far weaker than the original is.
AGAIN YOU POST A ****ING SCAN OF KISAME BLOCKING AN ATTACK. NOT STRIKING. NOT WHAT WE'RE ARGUING. STOP THE ****ING NONSENSE. KISAME HAS GOOD REFLEXES TO BLOCK. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT.
YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN HOW KISAME'S STRIKING SPEED GREW, AT ALL.
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Tell me, is this not a sign of reflexes? Gai actually felt the need to ambush Kisame with other Jonin ninja which Kisame then, reacted by performing a seal, and his clones then reacted quickly by casually blocking their attacks.
Kisame not only fought on par with Base Gai, but he literally forced Gai to rely on ambush using 3 Jonin Ninja which failed, and then continued to overpower Gai in CQC. Since Asuma is inferior in terms of speed and reflexes, I should certainly expect Kisame to have an easier time against Asuma. That's just comon sense.
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Besides the fact that Kisame outperformed 2 faster and more reflexive opponents?
Size of Samehada does not fucking matter. The reaction speed does.
Samehada or Kisame. Once again, it does not fucking matter who parries. Samehada is in Kisame's hands, and he can do whatever the fuck he wants with Samehada. Or that you want to reach for more straws and take away Samehada's feats. :lol
You bring this nonsense up one more time I'm ignoring it all together.
Intel does matter in a huge way. Kisame turns his head and dodges Asuma's attack without any effort. Kisame was smiling at Asuma the whole time while dodging his thrust. Why he was caught? Because of having no intel on Asuma's chakra blade ability.
Wtf are you going on about. I asked you what intel had to do with Kisame's attack speed. What did intel have to do with Asuma dodging Kisame's strikes?
You were blabbing about Asuma being >Kakashi and Gai in cqc, when manga slaps you in the face when it shows Kakashi keeping up with Hidan plus Kakuzu's wind mask. So the databook statement goes straight into the garbage bin.
Plus windmask? I only see Hidan keeping up with Kakashi, I don't see no wind mask
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can you please point to it? The wind mask comes around AFTER Hidan had already pushed Kakashi back. And from there it was off panel.
smh this is sad that I have to break even the simplest of things for you. Why it's significant for Kakashi to fight both Hidan and the mask? The answer is in the question, but I know you can't find it so I'll answer it for you. It was because Kakashi was fighting "2" opponents. He had to keep watch for attacks coming from both sides. He had to block Hidan's attacks while looking out for the mask.
So you can read minds now? I'm just gonna take what I have on panel, sorry I'm not gonna try to read the minds of characters, whether Kakashi was worried about the mask or not is not for me to decide, nor do I know what difference it would have made if he wasn't worried? Care to point out how much his worries played a part in his performance? Especially since Kakashi actually took on the offensive against Hidan, and didn't land one blow.
You want me to use the same crusty ass logic, well ok.
Asuma was
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about Kurenai when he dodged Kisame's attacks. Is that a world ending factor? And Kisame got a hit on Asuma before this as well trying to protect Kurenai, which could have possibly slowed him down, you see me ******ing about it? No because I'm not gonna act like I know how much of a difference it would make if he wasn't injured.
And please don't tell me you're getting your info from the anime, either that or you have shit for brains?
First it was that other clown, now I have to hold your hand through panels as well? Lol let me make this real clear cut for you.
HIDAN KAKASHI CQC
Only two masks fired off at kakashi.
1.First time Kakashi was pushed back by Hidan,
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comes in after. Was Kakashi worried about it here when Hidan rushed him? No he didn't even know Kakuzu would fire it off with Hidan in the midst, backed up by the shock Kakashi felt with it appearing behind him.
2.Second time there was no mask chasing Kakashi period.
Kakuzu uses
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via the fire mask.
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is where the masks and Kakuzu are standing.
This causes Kakashi to dodge the fire, just like
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Kakashi jumped away from it avoiding the fire and Hidan
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, from here both go blow for blow. I ask you where the **** is Kakashi getting chased down by a mask?? Where?
Now Hidan and Kakashi both end their CQC and they end up exactly where they started, with Ino-Shika-Cho coming back
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. In the exact same ****ing spot. Look at the damn burn marks on the ground.
So conclusion. Kakuzu nor any of his masks moved a ****ing inch? You get that through your skull?
BEFORE:
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AFTER:
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incase your dumbass says he couldn't see.
God damn I may as well bring you some cookies and tuck you into bed the way I have to read panels to you like its a bedtime story.
Crossed out every single bullshit I've addressed.
Irony once again kicks in @bold when you're saying Asuma is >Gai and Kakashi in cqc, when manga shits all over you and whatever retarded shit you spew.
Nope never said Asuma is superior in CQC, the entire reason I brought in the databook was TO BACK UP the manga portrayal of Asuma's feats against Kisame. Because apparently it was bs for Asuma to keep up with Kisame, when Gai had trouble, all it means is they are in the same league. Besides it says he is the best at close arms combat. Which makes sense, meaning kenjutsu of any type etc.
Also you're gonna keep ignoring things or what?
Ignore that from up close
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had similar feats against Hidan. With no one coming out on top showing they are all in the same speed tier.
Ignore that Asuma had no intel and had to face Hidan with his preferred ranged weapon.
You are only looking at the downsides to Kakashi's battle and not Asuma's. So lets write out the pros and cons of both. Funny cause you were stressing earlier that intel makes a difference, INTEL against Hidan is the most crucial thing more important then intel against any other character.
Kakashi: Pros- Had full intel on Hidan / Didn't have to face
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Cons - Was slightly tired having used up some chakra on Raikiri (2) and dodging the wind mask (once)
Asuma: Pros- Full energy no chakra used up / Shikamaru backing him up
Cons - No Intel / Had to face Hidan's ranged scythe (full arsenal)
If you look at the cons it can be argued who had it worse since Intel is everything against Hidan.....so yea miss me with this nonsense as well.
What are you even saying?
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Hidan right out states he has the slowest attacking speed in the akatsuki? What are you denying here? Manga? That wouldn't be the first time. I'll take Hidan's words right out of his mouth over YOUR opinion.
And the straight denial of words from Hidan's own mouth.
Why? Do you not know what context is? Aside from all your other bs which I already proved wrong, showing you Hidan is not slow.
Look at the damn context.
Hidan's ranged
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Yugito, she dodges.
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"Well girl, you did pretty well" - referring to her dodging his prior attack.
"But" - He was about to say it wouldn't be enough or something along those lines.
Instead he sarcastically says this "Hmm..Then again my attack speed is the slowest and my aim worst among akatsuki" Notice how he said aim, he is talking about his ranged attacks which have to travel a distance being slow, and he has to aim it. He linked this to his prior sentence with her doing pretty well, meaning she dodged his ranged attack.
Did I mention he is being sarcastic af "So I probably can't hit you anyway" so even this statement of his ranged attacks are to be taken with a grain of salt.
Especially since he has pin point accuracy with his scythe showcased when he tagged Asuma from the right side where his visibility was low, despite being chased by Shikamaru's shadow possession. And when he
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all the kunai thrown at him when he thought it was Kakuzu and counterattacked
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So even if you wanna be damn stubborn and take his sarcastic speech seriously just know that he was talking about his ranged scythe attacks.....
Now regarding his striking speed up close. Asuma was dodging
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strikes, and intercepted his first one. Asuma NOR Kakashi (despite having intel), could afford to dodge Hidan's attacks not ONE attack were they given the opportunity to dodge, he kept them on their toes and they had to block each and every one of his blows. Heck
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to fully block one of his attacks but that was with his unorthodox rope pulling scheme mixed with the thrown blade. And why would Kakashi wanna risk having his blood taken by blocking that scythe which can possibly break through, when he could dodge it altogether?
That is a direct comparison if I've ever seen, one.
Hidan's striking speed up close > Kisame's striking speed. And Attack speed ≠ Reaction speed. So you don't need to post more irrelevant shit of Kisame reacting.
So remember next time you get all excited, please make sure you know wtf you're talking about. This along with all that other rubbish you were spitting made you look like a Goddamn moron.
Think I'm done wasting my time here.
Please do me a favour.
1.Go to a mod
2.change your username to Felicia
3.
Asuma could do that in part 1 too (no reason to believe he couldn't). The reason he can't do that is because he activated it at last moment so Kisame didn't see it. He can pull out such a big hien at last moment, if he does, he misses the time.
So a younger Asuma gets the feats of an older Asuma? I guess part one Kakashi and Gai are on par with their War Arc selves. Even if he can, Kishi clearly didn't have him use it in part one to its fullest extent due to plot and power scaling issues which shouldn't be an issue in a hypothetical matchup. Sure it becomes easier to see when it is large but if he starts off small and then increases its length after nicking Kisame's cheek, I don't see how he misses the time because he's already caught Kisame off guard.
So a younger Asuma gets the feats of an older Asuma? I guess part one Kakashi and Gai are on par with their War Arc selves. Even if he can, Kishi clearly didn't have him use it in part one to its fullest extent due to plot and power scaling issues which shouldn't be an issue in a hypothetical matchup. Sure it becomes easier to see when it is large but if he starts off small and then increases its length after nicking Kisame's cheek, I don't see how he misses the time because he's already caught Kisame off guard.
Nothing to do with power scaling when obviously the difference between Asuma in part 1 and part 2 should not by any means be even a lil bit significant. And the reason Asuma didn't made it bigger is not plot or power scaling, is that it wouldn't be a surprise attack. Inreasing it's lenght after nicking kisame's cheek wouldn't have worked since Kisame would have realized what was happening and dodged.
We've got to find excuses to cover what plot shield does.
Nothing to do with power scaling when obviously the difference between Asuma in part 1 and part 2 should not by any means be even a lil bit significant. And the reason Asuma didn't made it bigger is not plot or power scaling, is that it wouldn't be a surprise attack. Inreasing it's lenght after nicking kisame's cheek wouldn't have worked since Kisame would have realized what was happening and dodged.
We've got to find excuses to cover what plot shield does.
So you're saying a timeskip shouldn't make a difference for a growth of a shinobi's ability to use jutsu? You're implying shinobi don't improve their jutsu as time goes on? No, Kisame realized what was going on one panel after getting hit (
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) which means once Kisame realizes it, his head will be sliced in half.
It's different from Naruto or Sasuke who were gennin and reached their peak while the time passed, instead we have a 30ish old jonnin who by no reason should have improved his ninjutsu on that scale
You're implying shinobi don't improve their jutsu as time goes on?
Panels do not measure time well. There's no evidence on how much time it'd take to the blade to become high enough to decapitate Kisame. And the bigger it gets, the more visible it gets too. Kisame didn't see the change because it was really small, he just noticed there was wind on the blades when Asuma had already hurt him.
It's different from Naruto or Sasuke who were gennin and reached their peak while the time passed, instead we have a 30ish old jonnin who by no reason should have improved his ninjutsu on that scale
I never compared Asuma's growthrate to Naruto or Sasuke. Asuma fine tuning his jutsu isn't such a big improvement that should be surprising you and completely doable.
No. I'm saying probably part 1 Asuma is able to use the hien with that lenght too. Part 1 is underrated as hell
Then part one Tsunade obliterates part one Kabuto with a ribcage susanoo shattering punch to the ground.
Panels do not measure time well. There's no evidence on how much time it'd take to the blade to become high enough to decapitate Kisame. And the bigger it gets, the more visible it gets too. Kisame didn't see the change because it was really small, he just noticed there was wind on the blades when Asuma had already hurt him.
It doesn't have to measure time accurately because even if it takes Asuma longer to increase its length to full size than it does for Kisame to realize, Asuma doesn't need full length anyway. Not to mention that just a bit longer would have resulted in Kisame getting a cut in the head which can erase memories.
It does not matter what the ****'s the size of Samehada is, when Kisame has shown to be able to control Samehada on his whim, completely subduing Samehada's control over itself. Refer to the part where Kisame made Samehada took Bee's chakra when Samehada formed a bond with Bee. Without any resistance from Samehada at that.
And what did I say previously? I said we'll see more straw grasping and fabrication. Call me Prophet Kratos from now on, because you're exactly doing what I said.
Points 1 and 2 are moot, garbage, and proven wrong.
With Bee, even with the v1 cloak absorbed, he is far above the likes of Asuma. How? Just take a quick look with your massive glasses at Bee's fight with Taka Sasuke, and you'll see just how far Base Bee is above Asuma.
And now since you constantly have failed to prove Asuma being anywhere near Base Bee in cqc, you'd do well to shut the fuck up and wipe the hypocritical face off.
Take that sit over there with a pile of shit on it. You'd be a fine decoration.
Wtf are you going on about. I asked you what intel had to do with Kisame's attack speed. What did intel have to do with Asuma dodging Kisame's strikes?
Read that ten more times and you might just get it. But since we don't have that kind of time, I'll dumb it down for you.
What did I meant by those sentences? I was showing you that Kisame effortlessly dodged Asuma's stab, but only got caught because of the chakra enhancement.
So, once again, you have proven to not only grasp for the straws, that you also can't read for shit.
Plus windmask? I only see Hidan keeping up with Kakashi, I don't see no wind mask
And the fact that Kakuzu was using hand seals before Hidan attacked made for sure made Kakashi to keep an eye on him. Kakashi was prepared to defend against two people
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2-3. Lmao are you going to ignore what happened right before that scan?
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Hidan literally comes behind Kakashi to sneak attack, while Kakashi reacts to him neg diff.
Oh wait, what happened? So much for Hidan ever fighting Kakashi on his own, or actually facing him on his own.
Let me thrown in some of Hidan's fascinating cqc feats that fore sure puts him above Kisame
Not even being able to cut Shikamaru, the last person on Earth you would think of when you think of cqc. Lmao Shikamaru even fooled Hidan (The guy your retarded ass says is faster than Kisame)
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And what the fuck is this?
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Oh Hidan can't even react to Shikamaru when he's looking at him. Once again this is Shikamaru, the last person you think of in cqc. But this sure all speaks of Hidan's brilliant cqc feats and puts him above Kisame
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can you please point to it? The wind mask comes around AFTER Hidan had already pushed Kakashi back. And from there it was off panel.
So you can read minds now? I'm just gonna take what I have on panel, sorry I'm not gonna try to read the minds of characters, whether Kakashi was worried about the mask or not is not for me to decide, nor do I know what difference it would have made if he wasn't worried? Care to point out how much his worries played a part in his performance?Especially since Kakashi actually took on the offensive against Hidan, and didn't land one blow.
Prophet Kratos once again is right. What did I say about fabricating the manga? Just like my prophecy, you are doing the same exact thing. The manga made it as clear as day that every time Hidan and Kakashi were in cqc, Hidan was the one attacking. That's manga fact.
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Asuma was
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about Kurenai when he dodged Kisame's attacks. Is that a world ending factor? And Kisame got a hit on Asuma before this as well trying to protect Kurenai, which could have possibly slowed him down, you see me ******ing about it? No because I'm not gonna act like I know how much of a difference it would make if he wasn't injured.
Intel is once again the factore, but since you tend to ignore the manga evidence, actions characters take, and the way they would think in certain situations, you would be wrong. Again.
What did I prove? Kisame not taking Asuma serious at all. He was smirking at Asuma the whole time. He was doint everything casually, with one hand. He dodged Asuma's stab without any effort.
:lol and what does the bold even prove? Being worried makes you to be more alert, and be on your toes much more. Not sure what you're talking about.
And please don't tell me you're getting your info from the anime, either that or you have shit for brains?
First it was that other clown, now I have to hold your hand through panels as well? Lol let me make this real clear cut for you.
HIDAN KAKASHI CQC
Only two masks fired off at kakashi.
1.First time Kakashi was pushed back by Hidan,
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comes in after. Was Kakashi worried about it here when Hidan rushed him? No he didn't even know Kakuzu would fire it off with Hidan in the midst, backed up by the shock Kakashi felt with it appearing behind him.
2.Second time there was no mask chasing Kakashi period.
Once again, addressed. And I've addressed these moot and garbage points without fabricating and grasping for straws. If you could read and not just look at pictures, you'd go far dropping this shit.
Kakuzu uses
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via the fire mask.
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is where the masks and Kakuzu are standing.
This causes Kakashi to dodge the fire, just like
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Kakashi jumped away from it avoiding the fire and Hidan
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, from here both go blow for blow. I ask you where the **** is Kakashi getting chased down by a mask?? Where?
sigh. Once again, addressed. Hidan tried to "Blind Side" Kakashi, but Kakashi countered him effortlessly
What the fuck is this again? Manga facts? I know it's foreign to you, but try to comprehend simple pictures
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Now Hidan and Kakashi both end their CQC and they end up exactly where they started, with Ino-Shika-Cho coming back
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. In the exact same ****ing spot. Look at the damn burn marks on the ground.
You can read? I was just under the impression that you can look at pretty pictures.
Nope never said Asuma is superior in CQC, the entire reason I brought in the databook was TO BACK UP the manga portrayal of Asuma's feats against Kisame. Because apparently it was bs for Asuma to keep up with Kisame, when Gai had trouble, all it means is they are in the same league. Besides it says he is the best at close arms combat. Which makes sense, meaning kenjutsu of any type etc.
Is this where I tell you to cut your never ending bullshit? Isn't this the third time I catch your ass spewing hypocritical shit? What you ****ing said:
The databook praised Asuma as Konoha's most skilled
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, this includes Kakashi and Gai so its no surprise why he was doing this. And this goes for anyone who says Kisame was fighting Gai so he should have no trouble with Asuma.....not really when Databook backs Asuma's portrayal against Kisame.
This is you SAYING Asuma is superior to Gai and Kakashi. Make up your damn mind. And if you can't remember what you yourself said, then don't try to debate.
And guess what Kakashi and Gai use when fighting? Fucking Kunai and chucks.
Also you're gonna keep ignoring things or what?
Ignore that from up close
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and
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had similar feats against Hidan. With no one coming out on top showing they are all in the same speed tier.
Had help from Kakuzu, which far surpasses what a little a little rope can do for Hidan
Kakashi used 3 raikiris in the fight and still countered Hidan when Hidan attempted to blind side him.
Asuma: Pros- Full energy no chakra used up / Shikamaru backing him up
Cons - No Intel / Had to face Hidan's ranged scythe (full arsenal)
Intel does matter, but Asuma was easily shitted on by Hidan without any help from Kakuzu.
Why? Do you not know what context is? Aside from all your other bs which I already proved wrong, showing you Hidan is not slow.
Look at the damn context.
Hidan's ranged
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Yugito, she dodges.
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"Well girl, you did pretty well" - referring to her dodging his prior attack.
"But" - He was about to say it wouldn't be enough or something along those lines.
Instead he sarcastically says this "Hmm..Then again my attack speed is the slowest and my aim worst among akatsuki" Notice how he said aim, he is talking about his ranged attacks which have to travel a distance being slow, and he has to aim it. He linked this to his prior sentence with her doing pretty well, meaning she dodged his ranged attack.
Did I mention he is being sarcastic af "So I probably can't hit you anyway" so even this statement of his ranged attacks are to be taken with a grain of salt.
Especially since he has pin point accuracy with his scythe showcased when he tagged Asuma from the right side where his visibility was low, despite being chased by Shikamaru's shadow possession. And when he
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all the kunai thrown at him when he thought it was Kakuzu and counterattacked
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So even if you wanna be damn stubborn and take his sarcastic speech seriously just know that he was talking about his ranged scythe attacks.....
You really are something else. A little later, you were saying Kakashi couldn't have thought of thinking about Kakuzu when fighting Hidan, but now you're telling me you can tell what the tone of the character is?
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Prophet Kratos is once again proven to be right. Fabrication and straw reaching. Hidan is being sarcastic. Lol shut the fuck up. You're denying words right out of character's mouth, not once, but twice.
Let me say this once, because I won't say it again after this. I learnt what Benjamin Gaye meant when he said not to waste time with you.
Hidan straight up said he has the SLOWEST attacking speed in Akatsuki. Slowest in the akatsuki Slowest in the akatsuki Slowest in the akatsuki Slowest in the akatsuki Slowest in the akatsuki
What this means? Rest of your paragraph is fabrication and denial of "clear cut" evidence.
Now regarding his striking speed up close. Asuma was dodging
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strikes, and intercepted his first one. Asuma NOR Kakashi (despite having intel), could afford to dodge Hidan's attacks not ONE attack were they given the opportunity to dodge, he kept them on their toes and they had to block each and every one of his blows. Heck
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to fully block one of his attacks but that was with his unorthodox rope pulling scheme mixed with the thrown blade. And why would Kakashi wanna risk having his blood taken by blocking that scythe which can possibly break through, when he could dodge it altogether?
That is a direct comparison if I've ever seen, one.
Hidan's striking speed up close > Kisame's striking speed. And Attack speed ≠ Reaction speed. So you don't need to post more irrelevant shit of Kisame reacting.
So remember next time you get all excited, please make sure you know wtf you're talking about. This along with all that other rubbish you were spitting made you look like a Goddamn moron.
It does not matter what the ****'s the size of Samehada is, when Kisame has shown to be able to control Samehada on his whim, completely subduing Samehada's control over itself. Refer to the part where Kisame made Samehada took Bee's chakra when Samehada formed a bond with Bee. Without any resistance from Samehada at that.
And what did I say previously? I said we'll see more straw grasping and fabrication. Call me Prophet Kratos from now on, because you're exactly doing what I said.
Points 1 and 2 are moot, garbage, and proven wrong.
With Bee, even with the v1 cloak absorbed, he is far above the likes of Asuma. How? Just take a quick look with your massive glasses at Bee's fight with Taka Sasuke, and you'll see just how far Base Bee is above Asuma.
And now since you constantly have failed to prove Asuma being anywhere near Base Bee in cqc, you'd do well to shut the fuck up and wipe the hypocritical face off.
Take that sit over there with a pile of shit on it. You'd be a fine decoration.
Lmfao I know you didn't, thats why I'm asking you to say it. WTF did intel have to do with Asuma dodging Kisame's strikes?
Read that ten more times and you might just get it. But since we don't have that kind of time, I'll dumb it down for you.
What did I meant by those sentences? I was showing you that Kisame effortlessly dodged Asuma's stab, but only got caught because of the chakra enhancement.
So, once again, you have proven to not only grasp for the straws, that you also can't read for shit.
To which you totally danced around my point, AND continue to do so :
Intel does matter in a huge way. Kisame turns his head and dodges Asuma's attack without any effort. Kisame was smiling at Asuma the whole time while dodging his thrust. Why he was caught? Because of having no intel on Asuma's chakra blade ability."
^whu? wha? where? when? Who? I didn't ask you if intel was important or not, nor did I ask you about Asuma landing a hit.
I can keep asking the same thing, you can keep dodging. What did intel have to do with Asuma dodging Kisame's strikes?
1. Oh wait let's do it with the ususal
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And the fact that Kakuzu was using hand seals before Hidan attacked made for sure made Kakashi to keep an eye on him. Kakashi was prepared to defend against two people
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2-3. Lmao are you going to ignore what happened right before that scan?
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Hidan literally comes behind Kakashi to sneak attack, while Kakashi reacts to him neg diff.
1.Except Kakashi didn't know Kakuzu was gonna use Hidan in crossfire? Did you miss the panel where Kakashi was shocked by the wind mask appearing?
2.Didn't ignore, I went into detail on that page actually.....
Oh wait, what happened? So much for Hidan ever fighting Kakashi on his own, or actually facing him on his own.
Let me thrown in some of Hidan's fascinating cqc feats that fore sure puts him above Kisame
Not even being able to cut Shikamaru, the last person on Earth you would think of when you think of cqc. Lmao Shikamaru even fooled Hidan (The guy your retarded ass says is faster than Kisame)
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And what the fuck is this?
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Oh Hidan can't even react to Shikamaru when he's looking at him. Once again this is Shikamaru, the last person you think of in cqc. But this sure all speaks of Hidan's brilliant cqc feats and puts him above Kisame
LMFAO I was waiting for this I really was. So you're gonna take a non serious Hidan who is underestimating Shikamaru feats > Feats of his top speed, against much much faster characters?
You're gonna use a complete offguard feat where the man thought Shikamaru was dead, and had no reason to believe otherwise? Especially when he was already shown reacting to an
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by Asuma? Looool you are reeaching heavy right now and you know it.
@bold, what?
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Prophet Kratos once again is right. What did I say about fabricating the manga? Just like my prophecy, you are doing the same exact thing. The manga made it as clear as day that every time Hidan and Kakashi were in cqc, Hidan was the one attacking. That's manga fact.
Intel is once again the factore, but since you tend to ignore the manga evidence, actions characters take, and the way they would think in certain situations, you would be wrong. Again.
What did I prove? Kisame not taking Asuma serious at all. He was smirking at Asuma the whole time. He was doint everything casually, with one hand. He dodged Asuma's stab without any effort.
:lol and what does the bold even prove? Being worried makes you to be more alert, and be on your toes much more. Not sure what you're talking about.
Intel is a factor yet you ignore it when it comes to Asuma? Lool what type of hypocrite shit is this?
Oh wow Kisame was smirking, tell me more on how relevant
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@Bold LOL did you just destroy your own weak argument? LMAO Asuma being worried is a pro for him, Kakashi being worried is a con?? Loool just stop.
sigh. Once again, addressed. Hidan tried to "Blind Side" Kakashi, but Kakashi countered him effortlessly
What the fuck is this again? Manga facts? I know it's foreign to you, but try to comprehend simple pictures
LOL did you just quote me and link me the same page that was in my quote? Not to mention repeating almost the exact same thing I said? Loool I can clearly tell you are running out on fuel here.
lmfaooo you didn't address anything you completely danced around this point, completely and utterly danced around the fact that Kakuzu's masks hadn't moved.
Is this where I tell you to cut your never ending bullshit? Isn't this the third time I catch your ass spewing hypocritical shit? What you ****ing said:
This is you SAYING Asuma is superior to Gai and Kakashi. Make up your damn mind. And if you can't remember what you yourself said, then don't try to debate.
And guess what Kakashi and Gai use when fighting? Fucking Kunai and chucks.
loool nice try that wasn't me saying Asuma is superior, that was me telling you how the DATABOOK is alluding to him being superior to the two.
Also Kakashi and Gai are fighting with nun chucks and kunai? And what of it, Asuma has the superior weapon, he would cut through those nunchucks like butter if they even tried to get near his Hien.......so the close arms combat deal is not even a stretch.
hahaha man oh man the reach is so strong in this one. Never, not once did I say intel doesn't matter...I asked you what intel hadto do with Kisame's striking speed? And you continue to keep dancing around this point...come the **** on now, stop calling me out without checking your facts, you keep doing this and end up looking like a complete idiot.
Had help from Kakuzu, which far surpasses what a little a little rope can do for Hidan
Kakashi used 3 raikiris in the fight and still countered Hidan when Hidan attempted to blind side him.
What can I tell a retard that thinks a rope can help Hidan out more that Kakuzu's mask did.
Intel does matter, but Asuma was easily shitted on by Hidan without any help from Kakuzu.
You really are something else. A little later, you were saying Kakashi couldn't have thought of thinking about Kakuzu when fighting Hidan, but now you're telling me you can tell what the tone of the character is?
You were trying to read the mind of a character all the while bringing it up like its something quantifiable....while on the other hand I'm simply interpreting speech made by a character??
Those things aren't even close to the same situation.
I already said this, stop calling me out without checking your facts. You are really running out of things to say.
Prophet Kratos is once again proven to be right. Fabrication and straw reaching. Hidan is being sarcastic. Lol shut the fuck up. You're denying words right out of character's mouth, not once, but twice.
Let me say this once, because I won't say it again after this. I learnt what Benjamin Gaye meant when he said not to waste time with you.
Hidan straight up said he has the SLOWEST attacking speed in Akatsuki. Slowest in the akatsuki Slowest in the akatsuki Slowest in the akatsuki Slowest in the akatsuki Slowest in the akatsuki
What this means? Rest of your paragraph is fabrication and denial of "clear cut" evidence.
haha trust me when I say this, I know when an argument is over, YOU ARE DONE here. Finished.
Anyone with half a brain who can read would know the entirety of this post is you trying your best to save face, you added absolutely nothing to the debate and you focused all your energy with trying to catch me "red handed" , making constant false accusations, and dancing around points rather than countering anything I actually said.
You aren't getting a reply from me after this, its clear as day this debate is over, what did you think you were gonna call me out and then have a field day? Didn't work out like you planned now did it?
We done here bud haha I wish I could see your face when you were typing some of that stuff so I could laugh.
It's official, NB. Call me Prophet Kratos from now on.
I genuinely wish I could see your face when you said this, this is where you would be sweating, this entire post was you trying to save face and you know it, hiding behind forced "witty" insults is not doing anything for you, its transparent af.
I never compared Asuma's growthrate to Naruto or Sasuke. Asuma fine tuning his jutsu isn't such a big improvement that should be surprising you and completely doable.
If you ask me, there's absolutely no reason for Asuma not being able to do that in part 1, since it's not impressive at all, and Asuma is almost elite jonnin. It's the same jutsu but bigger.
Do you think Asuma wasn't able to do that in part 1?
Then part one Tsunade obliterates part one Kabuto with a ribcage susanoo shattering punch to the ground.
Different. Tsunae part 1 = rusty, Tsunade part 2 = back to normal. Asuma was never hinted to be rusty, or was never hinted to train either. We only see him play shogi with Shikamaru, and bang Kurenai.
It doesn't have to measure time accurately because even if it takes Asuma longer to increase its length to full size than it does for Kisame to realize, Asuma doesn't need full length anyway. Not to mention that just a bit longer would have resulted in Kisame getting a cut in the head which can erase memories.
Well i agree, this would kill Kisame. The part 1 battle was obviously not all out, since Kisame didn't even start to use his powers, and Asuma didn't use his hien at full lenght either.
