[Discussion] Jack>Marco>DD

[Ripple Hole]

And you wonder why I'm disliking your posts...

I truly don't, wherever you hop there's always a trail of dislikes.

 

[ToshiZO]

I'm willing to bet Caesar could beat Doflamingo cause poison.
Only reason someone as strong as Luffy survived was because he was immune.

Lol hold this L and move along.

@KH
Comparing Hody wanting to be something (Pirate King) to a position Jack holds (first mate) makes zero sense as its not even relatively close to the same thing.

Hody wanting to be PK doesn't even have to be a lie...it wouldn't change anything. Caribou could want to be PK...it means nothing.

Being FM is not wanting to be something.. it's a title and position of yours, it'd be the same as Hody saying he IS PK. And how does Jack look goofy? Because he's a mammoth? Kaido doesn't look like a pretty boy himself I don't know what you were expecting out of his crew, they are all supposed to be beasts.

And what portrayal puts Marco > Jack lol? He's shown up in like 5 panels, and all he did was attack 2 Admiral lvl people and a whole island of minks showing how batshit crazy he is, who the heck says he's doing Kaido's dirty work? And what if he is? Have you not noticed Kaido is different himself he was randomly moving alone without his crew that is unheard of for a Yonkou, there is no "dirty work" when it comes to Kaido and his crew, they all just seem batshit crazy, taking action before anything else.

Also Beckman was already said to be the Vice Captain.

@Thread
If he is Kaido's FM which we have no reason not be believe right now, he should be around Admiral level.

Although I will say I didn't like how it was implied he couldn't level the minks by himself since he should be around Admiral lvl, but that can just mean the minks are really strong or Jack is a bit weaker than your standard FM, or a bit of both.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

What are you even talking about with Enel? That just proving my point. And what the hell? Steroid Hody is > Lucci and Moriah or do you think they can take punches from Post ts Luffy who was one shotting pacifista almost stronger than the whole pre SH crew? Kuma was just there to show them how weak they were, he was never even a defeated villain in the first place and technically, wasn't even against the SHs.

Enel> smoker is what I'm saying

Lucci> steroids-less hordy and moriah> steroids hordy

And noep, kuma was still an antagonist at that point, sure he protected sunny but that's about it. You said villains get stronger as the story goes on, dont add stuff to your original argument.

I

may not have proof but knowing how most of the community likes to put Marco on some pedestal it doesn't even matter if he did, because for some reason Marco is some unsurpassable God if your not an Admiral or a Yonko. They're both right hand men in a Yonko crew and your telling me he will be weaker than Doflamingo? Sounds like you just dont want him to be on Marcos level.

Yeah, here's the cool thing, by feats, doffy is currently stronger, it doesn't matter what you feel like or how I do, all that is to the matter is that doffy has Better feats.

And again is there a rule that prevents doffy from being stronger than a FM of a yonko?

I always bring up G4s duration because it doesn't have a noticeable time limit. How are we even going to know if the time limits gone up? Doflamingo fapboys like you would use the logic that anyone who is beaten within the time limit in the coming arcs is weaker than Doflamingo because Doflamingo outlasted it. When its very likely the time limit could have gone up.

You simply don't unless the main character states it or its clearly shown like how luffy no longer has to become small after g3. Your definition for logic is really nothing but you silly fapbot opinion sadly.

Villains since Post skip have indeed been getting stronger, and I like how you keep trying to prove me wrong using pre skip, when I told you exactly why that happened pre skip.

Eh
Enel was clearly stronger than smoker, while mihawk who was an antagonist since east blue is stronger than any other villain that fought the strawhats so far asode from the admirals. Same with kuma who is > hordy. Same with the admirals in the war arc, it's just that your fapbot mind is still used to the old boring event procession for manga


Doffy is currently and by feats stronger than both luffy and jack unless you can prove me otherwise

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Enel> smoker is what I'm saying

Lucci> steroids-less hordy and moriah> steroids hordy

And noep, kuma was still an antagonist at that point, sure he protected sunny but that's about it. You said villains get stronger as the story goes on, dont add stuff to your original argument.

I
Yeah, here's the cool thing, by feats, doffy is currently stronger, it doesn't matter what you feel like or how I do, all that is to the matter is that doffy has Better feats.

And again is there a rule that prevents doffy from being stronger than a FM of a yonko?

You simply don't unless the main character states it or its clearly shown like how luffy no longer has to become small after g3. Your definition for logic is really nothing but you silly fapbot opinion sadly.



Eh
Enel was clearly stronger than smoker, while mihawk who was an antagonist since east blue is stronger than any other villain that fought the strawhats so far. Same with kuma who is > hordy. Same with the admirals in the war arc, it's just that your fapbot mind is still used to the old boring event procession for manga


Doffy is currently and by feats stronger than both luffy and jack unless you can prove me otherwise

Hody survived Red Hawk and several other attacks from Luffy. Meanwhile, a Pacifista, which could push the entire pre TS crew to high diff, was one shotted by Luffy. OG is talking about defeated villains. Hody is obviously stronger than Pre TS Lucci and Moriah. Why are you being so stubborn about admitting that Jack>Doffy? Using your logic, Doffy>Big Mom since she is featless.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Hody survived Red Hawk and several other attacks from Luffy. Meanwhile, a Pacifista, which could push the entire pre TS crew to high diff, was one shotted by Luffy. Hody is obviously stronger than Pre TS Lucci and Moriah

Steroids hordy? Sure. He is stronger than lucci, but moriah? Hell nah.

Why are you being so stubborn about admitting that Jack>Doffy? Using your logic, Doffy>Big Mom since she is featless.

I'M speaking about jack here. Big mom is stronger by default since she is one of the 4 most strongest pirates as stated in the manga. Plus jack fodder ass and big mam do not stand on the same grounds, the argument I present applies only to what I'm debating about. If you want my personal opinion then don't be shy about it.

 

[OG sama]

Steroids hordy? Sure. He is stronger than lucci, but moriah? Hell nah.

I'M speaking about jack here. Big mom is stronger by default since she is one of the 4 most strongest pirates as stated in the manga. Plus jack fodder ass and big mam do not stand on the same grounds, the argument I present applies only to what I'm debating about. If you want my personal opinion then don't be shy about it.

Moriah is not stronger, NM Luffy Is >Moriah and NM Luffy is weaker than the Luffy who fought Hody. Moriah is about as strong or a bit weaker than a pacifista at best. Unless you can find me scans of Moriah taking Haki punches from a Post skip Luffy then Hody is stronger.

Now I see your true colors have come out, calling Jack a fodder? I knew you were a Doflamingo **** rider, how is Jack going to be weaker when he hasn't done anything? Just admit your a hater.

 

[OG sama]

Hody survived Red Hawk and several other attacks from Luffy. Meanwhile, a Pacifista, which could push the entire pre TS crew to high diff, was one shotted by Luffy. OG is talking about defeated villains. Hody is obviously stronger than Pre TS Lucci and Moriah. Why are you being so stubborn about admitting that Jack>Doffy? Using your logic, Doffy>Big Mom since she is featless.

Because the dumbass is a hater, I'm too tired to shut his shit logic down so I'm just going to stop posting long paragraphs. Its pretty clear from his post that he's a Doflamingo D rider who doesn't want Jack ahead of Doflamingo because he knows there are already too many ahead already.

 

[Relostar Devil]

DD being weaker than Jack is not sure rite now as jacks lacks feats now but DD is being underrated in this forum but he is the guy who is stronger than luffy and most of the top tiers of ANIME.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

DD being weaker than Jack is not sure rite now as jacks lacks feats now but DD is being underrated in this forum but he is the guy who is stronger than luffy and most of the top tiers of ANIME.

Do you think that Beckman is weaker than Doflamingo?

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Do you think that Beckman is weaker than Doflamingo?

What does that have to do with anything Ben Beckmann had portrayal to stop kizaru or at least made him reconsider attacking right then and there... What has jack done to give him the hype to stop an admiral in his tracks


Honestly I think it's logical that jack would be stronger then doffy but not by much doffy is strong af and def has enough power durability speed and versitlity to be a yonko first mate ... Luffy hasn't even surpassed him yet... There was no way for luffy to win on his own ... Had there been oda would've used it... Doffy was used to show how strong the new world truly is and how luffy needs allies to survive as he gets stronger and then eventually he will b a top tier (not saying that doffy is honestly doffy to me is yonko first mate level no prob ..)

And doffy had serval handicaps in that fight yet ppl overlook this..


That fight was first fight luffy didn't even win legitimately (needed help from civilians and violet after first gear fourth or he just be smeared on ground) or on his own (law put in just as much work with gk as luffy did with gear 4th and also have to add when he was fighting him on his own and what ever injection shot does..)

Doffy vs luffy just shows how much help luffy actually does need to get things done rather then what we r used to from pre timeskip where luffy just takes out every main top guy by himself .... But with the defeat of doffy it shows that it's possible if played smart and with cooperation, I feel like with this fight luffy will start fighting with zoro along with Sanji more and more as he is going to need thier strength to conquer the sea)

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

What does that have to do with anything Ben Beckmann had portrayal to stop kizaru or at least made him reconsider attacking right then and there... What has jack done to give him the hype to stop an admiral in his tracks


Honestly I think it's logical that jack would be stronger then doffy but not by much doffy is strong af and def has enough power durability speed and versitlity to be a yonko first mate ... Luffy hasn't even surpassed him yet... There was no way for luffy to win on his own ... Had there been oda would've used it... Doffy was used to show how strong the new world truly is and how luffy needs allies to survive as he gets stronger and then eventually he will b a top tier (not saying that doffy is honestly doffy to me is yonko first mate level no prob ..)

And doffy had serval handicaps in that fight yet ppl overlook this..


That fight was first fight luffy didn't even win legitimately (needed help from civilians and violet after first gear fourth or he just be smeared on ground) or on his own (law put in just as much work with gk as luffy did with gear 4th and also have to add when he was fighting him on his own and what ever injection shot does..)

Doffy vs luffy just shows how much help luffy actually does need to get things done rather then what we r used to from pre timeskip where luffy just takes out every main top guy by himself .... But with the defeat of doffy it shows that it's possible if played smart and with cooperation, I feel like with this fight luffy will start fighting with zoro along with Sanji more and more as he is going to need thier strength to conquer the sea)

Kizaru still attacked Luffy even after Beckman threatened him. You keep on ignoring the fact that Doflamingo also had help during his fight against Luffy and Law.

 

[Bogard]

@Thread
If he is Kaido's FM which we have no reason not be believe right now, he should be around Admiral level.

Although I will say I didn't like how it was implied he couldn't level the minks by himself since he should be around Admiral lvl, but that can just mean the minks are really strong or Jack is a bit weaker than your standard FM, or a bit of both.

This is the new world for you. It has already been stated that if you live in the new world, either you oppose yonkos and serve under them. Concurrently it has also been stated that were countries(Wano mostly) that even the marines feared to approach. From that point alone then, it's safe to assume that any new world island that isn't under the WG protection/yonko is bound to be powerful.

I found it actually refreshing that we finally found an island capable to defend himself and we're talking about a country that stayed standing for more than thousand years with born gifted elite fighters here, let alone the adults, trained and skilled ones(musketeers) and the strongest(Duke that was even felt to be strong directly by Luffy, a similar compliment he made only to Fujitora so far). On the other side, the strongest guy on Jack's side was "apparently" someone Brook could block/Sanji could one shot, so it wasn't so different than Jack attacking the country full of elite and powerful beings(Musketeers+Duke and probably the viper cat side mainly) by himself. Under those situations then i won't find it surprising if he lost the upper hand for a second

Jack stomps Doffy and massacres Marco? Lmao. I don't see him being stronger than Marco.

Whitebeard was stronger than Kaido and he had 16commanders to boot. Kaido apparently only has 3. For the challenge to even make remotely sense, it'd not be impossible for Jack to be stronger if he really is the right hand man(still unsure until better translation), although i still favor Marco for now

 

[Relostar Devil]

Do you think that Beckman is weaker than Doflamingo?

Just from where Beckman came into scenario. If you are comparing as right hand man then it cannot be said but according to hype or its appearance in war then DD taking him down doesn't look so. But DD isn't something to be taken lightly, if he would have went against the admirals in the war then you wouldn't be making this comment.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Kizaru still attacked Luffy even after Beckman threatened him. You keep on ignoring the fact that Doflamingo also had help during his fight against Luffy and Law.

From whom?

 

[Punk Hazard]

From whom?

Bellamy, obviously *rolls eyes intensely*

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Bellamy, obviously *rolls eyes intensely*

Doflamingo took advantage of Bellamy and used him to stall Luffy for a while. Do you not think that the fight would have been easier for Luffy and Law if they both got to fight Doflamingo at the same time instead of one at a time?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo took advantage of Bellamy and used him to stall Luffy for a while. Do you not think that the fight would have been easier for Luffy and Law if they both got to fight Doflamingo at the same time instead of one at a time?

No. I don't. Luffy one-shot Bellamy. The damage he's capable of doing to Luffy is negligible.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

No. I don't. Luffy one-shot Bellamy. The damage he's capable of doing to Luffy is negligible.

Did you even read my post? I said that the fight between Doffy would have been easier if Luffy and Law got to fight him together for most of the fight, but Doffy took advantage of Bellamy and Luffy's friendship with him in order to stall Luffy so that Doffy and Trebol could fight Law by himself.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Did you even read my post? I said that the fight between Doffy would have been easier if Luffy and Law got to fight him together for most of the fight, but Doffy took advantage of Bellamy and Luffy's friendship with him in order to stall Luffy so that Doffy and Trebol could fight Law by himself.

I doubt it. He'd just control Law or Luffy or stall them with the Ito Joker.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I doubt it. He'd just control Law or Luffy or stall them with the Ito Joker.

Luffy can just break free from Parasite with G4. Unless Doflamingo can master the Ope Ope no Mi in a few minutes, I doubt he would be able to make good use of Law when controlling him.