[Discussion] Luffys current power

OG sama · Nov 22, 2015

Riker Slade said:
He hasn't done anything to prove he can. Also, you really think Luffy is at the level where he can stall Kuzan?

How weak do you think Luffy is? With G4 I at least expect him to be able to hold his own with an Admiral for a limited time, especially when an injured Luffy who was telegraphing all his attacks was still doing well against Fujitora and even bruise him despite him blocking against the attack, and this was without G4. He even bruised Fuji with his most basic G3 attack. And this was an on guard Admiral.

Jozu only managed to cut Aokijis lip, imagine what G4 would do if he can manage even a bruise with one of his weakest G3 attacks.

You along with most of the OP community just underrates the hell out of Luffy.

People wanna overrate Sabo for taking fierce tiger but don't wanna acknowledge the fact that Luffy took one literally with Fuji standing right in front of him and it still did no damage.

Sabo wasn't even close to the attack to begin with.

ToshiZO · Nov 22, 2015

Luffy's current level is around the likes of Law and most likely Kidd. The thing separating him and Law at the moment is Luffy has a mode which allows him to fight enemies Law can't deal with.

-In a 1v1 I'd favour Law > Luffy
- In a battle against a top tier Luffy puts up a better fight than Law. G4 alone is top tier caliber comfortably, but it doesn't last long enough to defeat anyone Doflamingo level or above.

Doflamingo is the next level Luffy needs to reach and will probably reach in a couple of arcs, which is around low top tier.

OG sama · Nov 22, 2015

ToshiZO said:
Luffy's current level is around the likes of Law and most likely Kidd. The thing separating him and Law at the moment is Luffy has a mode which allows him to fight enemies Law can't deal with.

-In a 1v1 I'd favour Law > Luffy
- In a battle against a top tier Luffy puts up a better fight than Law. G4 alone is top tier caliber comfortably, but it doesn't last long enough to defeat anyone Doflamingo level or above.

Doflamingo is the next level Luffy needs to reach and will probably reach in a couple of arcs, which is around low top tier.

And how do you now it won't just take this arc? We fast forward not 2 or 3 arcs from now and nothing has been made clear as to whos stronger what are you going to say?

We don't even know how this arc will play out but yet many have come to this conclusion Luffy will be officially stronger two or three arcs down the line. How does one come to these conclusions? I'm not saying my opinion is right but its amazing how many people talk as if they are the author.

Bogard · Nov 22, 2015

He can't at his current level, but while Doflamingo is stronger, he has more potential than him with a mode that with better mastery is top tier level

OG sama · Nov 22, 2015

Bogard said:
He can't at his current level, but while Doflamingo is stronger, he has more potential than him with a mode that with better mastery is top tier level

He already is stronger with G4, if he learns more techniques with the mode like he does every arc and if the time limit goes up or there ends up not being one like with G2 and G3 then he can manage a win alone sooner than you think.

Not to mention Jack or whoever the villain of Zou is could be stronger.

ToshiZO · Nov 22, 2015

OG sama said:
And how do you now it won't just take this arc? We fast forward not 2 or 3 arcs from now and nothing has been made clear as to whos stronger what are you going to say?

We don't even know how this arc will play out but yet many have come to this conclusion Luffy will be officially stronger two or three arcs down the line. How does one come to these conclusions? I'm not saying my opinion is right but its amazing how many people talk as if they are the author.

I'm just using pre timeskip as a template tbh.

-Pre timeskip Luffy beat Crocodile, fast forward multiple arcs we're at MF and Oda decides to retcon Crocodile, so apparently Luffy hadn't even surpassed his first major enemy.

-Enel is a weird one, Luffy was immune to his entire offensive arsenal.

-Moriah he needed a lot of external factors to beat (as the case with Doffy)

-Rob Lucci was the only proper fight. At the time they fought Luffy wasn't too good with his gears it took a pretty big toll (similar to G4). Due to this Lucci was still slightly stronger than Luffy at Enies Lobby.

How long did it take him to surpass Lucci or atleast fully = him. Well his control of Gears got better by Thriller Bark, and by Saboady it was considerably better.

So going by EL it won't take Luffy long to get better with G4, but here's the issue. In Luffy vs Lucci's case they were already more or less on the same level, the difference between the two was fairly minimal. In Doflamingo's case not really, Law was needed along with a couple other things to bring Doffy down to defeatable status.

Luffy didn't really surpass his prior major enemies other than Rob Lucci pre timeskip sadly.

arv993 · Nov 22, 2015

Riker Slade said:
Oh, by the way, Doffy never said he repaired them. In the official translation, he says his strings are reconstructing them. Which supports what I said earlier: His strings pulled them back together to bring back function. However, that still means something has to be holding the organs together. The fact of the matter is, something has to be holding the organs together. And the manga panel blatantly shows his strings forming stitches, so what else could be holding his organs together? Use your brain.

he did say its not healing but he is in a better shape with it and could use his best moves. reconstructing another word for saying its a temporary measure so him saying fixing is not by any means off he is doing exactly that, but it allowed him to heal from it with time thats why he didnt right out die when he was unconscious, he even said with enough time he could fix it. this whole process has to be elaborated since he wasnt descriptive if it was healing or even partial healing and it definitely seems to be atleast partial healing, Oda can easily say it is because otherwise its a pretty big plothole. ur just again assuming its one but he could have some power that allowed him to with time heal his organs as he was reconstructing it or whatever he actually said. And ur argument that he is nearly dead is stupid cuz thats not what happened, he wasnt 100% but he wasnt nearly dead like u say.

OG sama · Nov 22, 2015

ToshiZO said:
I'm just using pre timeskip as a template tbh.

-Pre timeskip Luffy beat Crocodile, fast forward multiple arcs we're at MF and Oda decides to retcon Crocodile, so apparently Luffy hadn't even surpassed his first major enemy.

-Enel is a weird one, Luffy was immune to his entire offensive arsenal.

-Moriah he needed a lot of external factors to beat (as the case with Doffy)

-Rob Lucci was the only proper fight. At the time they fought Luffy wasn't too good with his gears it took a pretty big toll (similar to G4). Due to this Lucci was still slightly stronger than Luffy at Enies Lobby.

How long did it take him to surpass Lucci or atleast fully = him. Well his control of Gears got better by Thriller Bark, and by Saboady it was considerably better.

So going by EL it won't take Luffy long to get better with G4, but here's the issue. In Luffy vs Lucci's case they were already more or less on the same level, the difference between the two was fairly minimal. In Doflamingo's case not really, Law was needed along with a couple other things to bring Doffy down to defeatable status.

Luffy didn't really surpass his prior major enemies other than Rob Lucci pre timeskip sadly.

Wow I see so much wrong with this, first off pre skip should definitely not be used as a template, because luffy never even had Haki back then. Some of his wins back then were BS, he doesn't need to rely on cheap weaknesses to win, like rubber being immune to electricity or needing water to even touch a logia.

Post skip Luffy has every thing he needs to have a legit fight with anyone, he keeps improving his Haki and keeps creating new and stronger techs each arc which makes sense he won't have to fight weaker then stronger then weaker and weaker opponents each arc. How is Luffy going to get stronger if he can't overcome? He will never become PK if Oda took it easy like pre skip.

People need to stop waiting on Luffy to get new gears before they decide he's gotten stronger. That stuff was okay pre skip as their was a TS, but there won't be anymore, he's just going to have to improve island to island.

arv993 · Nov 22, 2015

ToshiZO said:
I'm just using pre timeskip as a template tbh.

-Pre timeskip Luffy beat Crocodile, fast forward multiple arcs we're at MF and Oda decides to retcon Crocodile, so apparently Luffy hadn't even surpassed his first major enemy.

-Enel is a weird one, Luffy was immune to his entire offensive arsenal.

-Moriah he needed a lot of external factors to beat (as the case with Doffy)

-Rob Lucci was the only proper fight. At the time they fought Luffy wasn't too good with his gears it took a pretty big toll (similar to G4). Due to this Lucci was still slightly stronger than Luffy at Enies Lobby.

How long did it take him to surpass Lucci or atleast fully = him. Well his control of Gears got better by Thriller Bark, and by Saboady it was considerably better.

So going by EL it won't take Luffy long to get better with G4, but here's the issue. In Luffy vs Lucci's case they were already more or less on the same level, the difference between the two was fairly minimal. In Doflamingo's case not really, Law was needed along with a couple other things to bring Doffy down to defeatable status.

Luffy didn't really surpass his prior major enemies other than Rob Lucci pre timeskip sadly.

yes i see ur point but the time in G4 luffy had quite an advantage over doffy but doffy wasnt 100% but you didn't see that with moriah he was outmatched mostly and had no sizable advantage at any point by himself where as with doffy he did in G4. Oda even says it in the manga. Luffy also was shown to be a force now with his crew and his whole speech against an admiral which seems to be some form of hype showing he is getting there to be at a respectable level of strength. i dont think it will be more than 3 arcs for luffy to be even with doffy. luffy seems quite a bit stronger than law atm cuz he was able to keep up with doffy which law was struggling to accomplish but law should catch up soon with his Op DF.

OG sama · Nov 22, 2015

I think the problem Is that people seem to think there will be multiple TS because they think pre skip template is going to repeat itself, when that's not the case. People going by pre skip don't seem to realize that Luffy was missing things like Haki which made some of his wins not very credible, and therefore he was never really stronger than some of those villains, which is why Enel would probably manage a win vs Lucci even though Lucci was a harder fight for Luffy. He sometimes had to rely on weaknesses and DF match ups to win. Post skip Luffy however has what's necessary to fight any foe. He keeps improving them and there is no need for another TS.

ToshiZO · Nov 22, 2015

OG sama said:
Wow I see so much wrong with this, first off pre skip should definitely not be used as a template, because luffy never even had Haki back then. Some of his wins back then were BS, he doesn't need to rely on cheap weaknesses to win, like rubber being immune to electricity or needing water to even touch a logia.

Post skip Luffy has every thing he needs to have a legit fight with anyone, he keeps improving his Haki and keeps creating new and stronger techs each arc which makes sense he won't have to fight weaker then stronger then weaker and weaker opponents each arc. How is Luffy going to get stronger if he can't overcome? He will never become PK if Oda took it easy like pre skip.

People need to stop waiting on Luffy to get new gears before they decide he's gotten stronger. That stuff was okay pre skip as their was a TS, but there won't be anymore, he's just going to have to improve island to island.

What else do I have to use other than pre timeskip? Its Oda after all, he has a very similar pattern when it comes to arcs and what not.

And Luffy doesn't need another Gear to be top tier he just needs to get better with G4 to the point where it he can enter and exit at will like he does with G3.

Doing this though he would be able to give top tiers a good fight , guys like Fujitora would be within reach.

AND I hope he improves his haki and base, because having a mode making you top tier is sorta cheating. Almost all top tiers are top tiers because they dominate in every single category.

In base or even the other gears he wasn't even the dirt under Doflamingo's shoes. But I honestly think Oda is not gonna go this route, Luffy will probably rely on modes to get him places moreso than overall stats.

arv993 said:
yes i see ur point but the time in G4 luffy had quite an advantage over doffy but doffy wasnt 100% but you didn't see that with moriah he was outmatched mostly and had no sizable advantage at any point by himself where as with doffy he did in G4. Oda even says it in the manga. Luffy also was shown to be a force now with his crew and his whole speech against an admiral which seems to be some form of hype showing he is getting there to be at a respectable level of strength. i dont think it will be more than 3 arcs for luffy to be even with doffy. luffy seems quite a bit stronger than law atm cuz he was able to keep up with doffy which law was struggling to accomplish but law should catch up soon with his Op DF.

Yes G4 Luffy is comfortably above Doflamingo, but that was a Doflamingo who had just took

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