[Debate] Is it A Woman Human Right To Abort Her Baby? Or Is Abortion A Privilege?

[China IL]

Honestly, what gives me the right to an opinion on a woman's body?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Honestly, what gives me the right to an opinion on a woman's body?

What gives white people the right to be against racism towards blacks when they'll never be black?

What gives people the right to have opinions on slavery when they'll never be slaves?

What gives straight people the right to an opinion on laws towards homosexuals when they'll never be gay?

What gives men the right to have opinions on Middle Eastern laws that oppress women when they'll never be women? Or western women who'll never be Middle Eastern women?

 

[random girlz]

Abortion is a really touchy subject. I'm pro-life for the simple reason that the child deserves a chance in life. Also a child is a separate being from a woman so when women say "It's my body, my rights!" Just remember that the fetus is not a woman's body.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I think everyone has the right to live once they are born.

I'll ask the same thing Kagetora asked earlier: If I push a 9-month pregnant woman down the stairs, and the baby dies, should the baby's death be completely ruled out of the incident, as it wasn't born yet?

 

[Multiply]

I'll ask the same thing Kagetora asked earlier: If I push a 9-month pregnant woman down the stairs, and the baby dies, should the baby's death be completely ruled out of the incident, as it wasn't born yet?

Born was probably the wrong word to use. Once you're alive.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Born was probably the wrong word to use. Once you're alive.

Makes sense.

I take it you don't believe that once someone's life has started to develop, they don't have the right to have it done through to the end, that you believe we have to right to terminate the development of someone else's life because it isn't complete yet?

 

[Kai NB]

One of my texts actually define the zygote at 5 days as "A 100-celled organism called a blastula." Technically, it seems like it's a living thing after just five days

A more appropriate word would be "organic"

Granted, even though the infant in the first 4 months aren't "alive", I agree with Riker in that it is murder because it's on the line right before becoming alive.

It's not like if a ***** sucks **** and swallows, that's considered genocide, because those sperms are not able to ever become alive on their own.

But a fertilized egg in a habitable environment (the womb) is still able to become alive on its own

EDIT: Shit, I just saw how this thread is already on post 95, and I quoted from the first page, trying to join in.

 

[Punk Hazard]

A more appropriate word would be "organic"

Granted, even though the infant in the first 4 months aren't "alive", I agree with Riker in that it is murder because it's on the line right before becoming alive.

It's not like if a ***** sucks **** and swallows, that's considered genocide, because those sperms are not able to ever become alive on their own.

But a fertilized egg in a habitable environment (the womb) is still able to become alive on its own

I wouldn't necessarily call it murder. But, I think it's just as bad. Abortion is bad because it's abortion; stopping a life that has started developing is just as bad as taking a life that has developed.

 

[Kai NB]

I wouldn't necessarily call it murder. But, I think it's just as bad. Abortion is bad because it's abortion; stopping a life that has started developing is just as bad as taking a life that has developed.

And I agree wholeheartedly

 

[kuchiyosenojutsuironmaidn]

Makes sense.

I take it you don't believe that once someone's life has started to develop, they don't have the right to have it done through to the end, that you believe we have to right to terminate the development of someone else's life because it isn't complete yet?

I take it he meant the opposite by his original statement.

 

[Multiply]

Makes sense.

I take it you don't believe that once someone's life has started to develop, they don't have the right to have it done through to the end, that you believe we have to right to terminate the development of someone else's life because it isn't complete yet?

By that logic it isn't even someone else. It's simply the development of life. The potential of life =/= life. So getting an abortion isn't ending life, it's stopping the potential of life.

 

[Yubel]

You're contradicting yourself. We do actually have the right, if I wanted to I could go outside and shoot someone in the head. I have that right to take someone's life, doesn't mean I will but what you're saying isn't true.

In theory and morally it's not right, and a sane person would believe they don't have that right. What I'm saying is that doesn't make it true.

So are you not sane and are you a murderer? Do you go around playing God saying who should live and who shouldn't?
No? Then don't act like that to an innocent life either. They have just as much right to live as anybody else, now if you think you can go around judging people, go ahead but don't complain when someone comes and decides you shouldn't live either because there is always someone who can judge your life so let's not even go there.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

So are you not sane and are you a murderer? Do you go around playing God saying who should live and who shouldn't?
No? Then don't act like that to an innocent life either. They have just as much right to live as anybody else, now if you think you can go around judging people, go ahead but don't complain when someone comes and decides you shouldn't live either because there is always someone who can judge your life so let's not even go there.

Nah I'm just pretty unbiased, serves me well. But you get my drift mostly, you really don't have the right to live because anyone can take that from you at anytime. And vice versa.

But killing is killing I feel. Fetus or female, it's killing and you have to accept that choice.

 

[Yubel]

Nah I'm just pretty unbiased, serves me well. But you get my drift mostly, you really don't have the right to live because anyone can take that from you at anytime. And vice versa.

But killing is killing I feel. Fetus or female, it's killing and you have to accept that choice.

You do have the right to live because you're alive, it doesn't matter if you can die because you will anyway even if you do nothing but you have the right to live.

 

[Punk Hazard]

By that logic it isn't even someone else. It's simply the development of life. The potential of life =/= life. So getting an abortion isn't ending life, it's stopping the potential of life.

Actually, no. Sperm cells and egg cells are the potential of life. A zygote or embryo is no longer just the potential of life, but is life that is already in the process of occurring. What you're saying isn't ending the potential life, at least, it's not just that. It's also ending the process where a life is already developing. My question to you is, do human beings have the right to end the development of another life that has already began.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

You do have the right to live because you're alive, it doesn't matter if you can die because you will anyway even if you do nothing but you have the right to live.

That doesn't make sense. You're saying a fetus has the right to live because it's alive, when really all the rights are in the mothers hands. She can easily end that because it needs her to be alive. It has nothing to protect its "rights", therefore it has none.

People slaughter tons of animals and plants for food. They're technically alive, they have no rights if we choose. Being alive doesn't promise you the ability to live.


Edit: Actually I'm tired now so, yeah sure, you're right.

 

[Multiply]

Actually, no. Sperm cells and egg cells are the potential of life. A zygote or embryo is no longer just the potential of life, but is life that is already in the process of occurring. What you're saying isn't ending the potential life, at least, it's not just that. It's also ending the process where a life is already developing. My question to you is, do human beings have the right to end the development of another life that has already began.

If it's necessary, yes.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That doesn't make sense. You're saying a fetus has the right to live because it's alive, when really all the rights are in the mothers hands. She can easily end that because it needs her to be alive. It has nothing to protect its "rights", therefore it has none.

People slaughter tons of animals and plants for food. They're technically alive, they have no rights if we choose. Being alive doesn't promise you the ability to live.


Edit: Actually I'm tired now so, yeah sure, you're right.

So if we can an unfavorable scenario on the baby for the mother's sake against what's best for it, then who's to say we can't do it the other way around and force the mother to give birth?

 

[Yubel]

That doesn't make sense. You're saying a fetus has the right to live because it's alive, when really all the rights are in the mothers hands. She can easily end that because it needs her to be alive. It has nothing to protect its "rights", therefore it has none.

People slaughter tons of animals and plants for food. They're technically alive, they have no rights if we choose. Being alive doesn't promise you the ability to live.


Edit: Actually I'm tired now so, yeah sure, you're right.

All right isn't in the mothers hands.

 

[iNotorious]

Pro-Choice all the way.