Deidara vs War arc Kakashi

Apêx1

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 26, 2014
Messages
6,929
Reaction score
442
And then Kakshi warps away. Lol. No part of this match is high diff. Not even close.

Since when can he spam teleportation? If he just arrived with it then I highly doubt he can just teleport away again. He's not Obito, pretty sure he's never, ever used Kamui in quick succession. And if he did, it probably had a huge effect on him. If he follows the logic you're using he's going to end up losing via attrition.

U talk like he's gonna be a dumbass and hit it with a punch like sasuke/naruto did? Or purposefully miss the heart? Naww fam that clone catches a raikiri on kunai and turns into a dud instantly.

Pretty sure if it just passes through the bunshin nothing would happen to it overall apart from the small hole which reveals it being clay. It only nullifies the clay while it's being applied.
 
Last edited:

BenjerminGaye

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Nov 1, 2012
Messages
19,423
Reaction score
823
Since when can he spam teleportation? If he just arrived with it then I highly doubt he can just teleport away again. He's not Obito, pretty sure he's never, ever used Kamui in quick succession. And if he did, it probably had a huge effect on him. If he follows the logic you're using he's going to end up losing via attrition.



Pretty sure if it just passes through the bunshin nothing would happen to it overall apart from the small hole which reveals it being clay. It only nullifies the clay while it's being applied.



Kunai hits clone. Clone turns into dud. Kakashi's in the clear. deidara can't follow it up if the clone doesn't hold him in place. A:Somthing it can't do if Kakshi is from afar
B: something it most likely can't do if it's hit in a vital.

A is the safer choice tho.
 

Bogard

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Apr 7, 2012
Messages
21,914
Reaction score
2,378
Kakashi one shots with Kamui
 

KidGamer65

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Aug 5, 2012
Messages
38,776
Reaction score
2,272
Since when can he spam teleportation? If he just arrived with it then I highly doubt he can just teleport away again. He's not Obito, pretty sure he's never, ever used Kamui in quick succession. And if he did, it probably had a huge effect on him. If he follows the logic you're using he's going to end up losing via attrition.



Pretty sure if it just passes through the bunshin nothing would happen to it overall apart from the small hole which reveals it being clay. It only nullifies the clay while it's being applied.

Dafuq are you even talking about? Using it once, and then teleporting away isn't spamming first of all. Second of all, nothing you are saying here even begins to make a shred of sense.

-Him being Obito is 100% irrelevant as he doesn't need to be Obito to teleport.
-Teleporting "in quick succession" being impossible is clearly something you made up on the spot. Whether or not he waits a few seconds or not doesn't change the amount of chakra it takes. So what you are basically saying here is, Kakashi teleporting to Deidara, and then away from the clone=Kakashi dying of attrition. :lol Wat?

Yeah no, this is a low diff win.
 

Curse Mark

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Nov 24, 2012
Messages
7,750
Reaction score
204
Dafuq are you even talking about? Using it once, and then teleporting away isn't spamming first of all. Second of all, nothing you are saying here even begins to make a shred of sense.

-Him being Obito is 100% irrelevant as he doesn't need to be Obito to teleport.
-Teleporting "in quick succession" being impossible is clearly something you made up on the spot. Whether or not he waits a few seconds or not doesn't change the amount of chakra it takes. So what you are basically saying here is, Kakashi teleporting to Deidara, and then away from the clone=Kakashi dying of attrition. :lol Wat?

Yeah no, this is a low diff win.

I think the reason it took such a toll on him against Deidara in canon was more because of the amount of chakra, not how quickly he was using it. So that backs up what you're saying here
 

Apêx1

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 26, 2014
Messages
6,929
Reaction score
442
Dafuq are you even talking about? Using it once, and then teleporting away isn't spamming first of all. Second of all, nothing you are saying here even begins to make a shred of sense.

-Him being Obito is 100% irrelevant as he doesn't need to be Obito to teleport.
-Teleporting "in quick succession" being impossible is clearly something you made up on the spot. Whether or not he waits a few seconds or not doesn't change the amount of chakra it takes. So what you are basically saying here is, Kakashi teleporting to Deidara, and then away from the clone=Kakashi dying of attrition. :lol Wat?

Yeah no, this is a low diff win.

What the actual fuk? I said if Kakashi teleports behind Deidara, he's not teleporting away again without it impacting his eye assuming it's even possible. Because that would mean he warps himself away to behind Deidara and then instantly warps himself away again back to ground level, thus it's used in succession. That's going against manga facts [ ] where Obito outright states he can't use it in succession (whereas Obito can). So even if I were to be generous and assume he could use it in succession, it'd have a huge toll on him and my argument of attrition would obviously be strong. Also, based on the fact that he outright stated he has a few shots left with his remaining chakra, but only ended up having 1 when he decided to use a full body Kamui on Naruto, leads me to believe that warping a full body is multiple times as straining/depleting as a regular small Kamui. Kakashi is using a full body Kamui two times in succession (huge strain). And then we have you telling me this is something I made up on the spot and my argument makes not a shred of sense. Go figure buddy.
 

KidGamer65

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Aug 5, 2012
Messages
38,776
Reaction score
2,272
What the actual fuk? I said if Kakashi teleports behind Deidara, he's not teleporting away again without it impacting his eye assuming it's even possible.

Baseless assumption number 1. One you made up. One that came from no page in this Manga. One that doesn't even make sense to begin with.


Because that would mean he warps himself away to behind Deidara and then instantly warps himself away again back to ground level, thus it's used in succession. That's going against manga facts [ ] where Obito outright states he can't use it in succession (whereas Obito can).

What in the world?

Do you even know what a barrage is? Using something in a barrage and using something in succession is not the same thing at all. Kakashi using Kamui multiple times right after each other is a barrage. Just how Continuous Bijuu Dama (VIZ also calls Bijuu Bomb BARRAGE) are multiple Bijuu Dama used right after each other with no delay, RAPID SUCCESSION. Succession simply means one after another. The former is a barrage. Kakashi using Kamui once, stabbing Deidara, and then using it again isn't a barrage nor is it him using Kamui in rapid succession So your scan is a useless point to bring, one that should've been clear without me having to explain it.

Not even sure where the notion that Deidara instantly warps himself away came from in the first place, when Kakashi warping to Deidara, stabbing him, getting stuck and then warping away isn't instantaneous nor is it anywhere near reminiscent of being a barrage.

So even if I were to be generous and assume he could use it in succession, it'd have a huge toll on him and my argument of attrition would obviously be strong.

Wrong.

Also, based on the fact that he outright stated he has a few shots left with his remaining chakra, but only ended up having 1 when he decided to use a full body Kamui on Naruto, leads me to believe that warping a full body is multiple times as straining/depleting as a regular small Kamui
.

True, obvious, but not relevant as that was a Kakashi who had already used up a bunch of his chakra on the fight beforehand, and this was before he started getting handouts from Naruto. This point is useless to bring up unless you are going to claim that using Kamui 2 times on a human target is enough for him to feel noticeable strain.......Oh wait. That is essentially what you are claiming above.

Not to mention Kakashi has the chakra capacity to warp the Mazo's arm and not feel a thing afterwards. The Mazo's arm is larger than an MS Susanoo let alone a human body, so I think it's safe to say that attrition isn't going to be a factor here.


Kakashi is using a full body Kamui two times in succession (huge strain). And then we have you telling me this is something I made up on the spot and my argument makes not a shred of sense. Go figure buddy.

And I'll say it one more time since your whole argument is based on you not even knowing what a barrage is. Your argument is literally based on nothing at all. The notion that Kakashi can warp to Deidara, but not warp away a second later in itself is a 100% nonsensical reach of a claim to make in the first place.
 

Apêx1

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 26, 2014
Messages
6,929
Reaction score
442
Baseless assumption number 1. One you made up. One that came from no page in this Manga. One that doesn't even make sense to begin with.


What in the world?

Do you even know what a barrage is? Using something in a barrage and using something in succession is not the same thing at all. Kakashi using Kamui multiple times right after each other is a barrage. Just how Continuous Bijuu Dama (VIZ also calls Bijuu Bomb BARRAGE) are multiple Bijuu Dama used right after each other with no delay, RAPID SUCCESSION. Succession simply means one after another. The former is a barrage. Kakashi using Kamui once, stabbing Deidara, and then using it again isn't a barrage nor is it him using Kamui in rapid succession So your scan is a useless point to bring, one that should've been clear without me having to explain it.

Not even sure where the notion that Deidara instantly warps himself away came from in the first place, when Kakashi warping to Deidara, stabbing him, getting stuck and then warping away isn't instantaneous nor is it anywhere near reminiscent of being a barrage.

So basically your current logic is Kakashi cannot barrage SMALL Kamui's so he can use several full body Kamui's (which are worth 3-4 times the chakra a small Kamui is) within 5 seconds of one another and leave without tremendous strain. Not how it works, regardless of you not wanting to accept it. It not being an outright barrage does not mean Obito's statement is irrelevant. Also, Kakashi's eye was shitting itself with blood , which is irrelevant of chakra depletion, after being used 4 times in several minutes. Using it two times in a couple of seconds is tremendously different, so stop giving me the "his MS won't feel shit" argument because you're just self-inventing feats for Kakashi's MS at this point. No other MS user has been capable of spamming MS within a few seconds without huge strain on their eyes, in exception of Obito who has Senju DNA (and is the original owner mind you). Kakashi being capable of doing this because "I have no way of disproving it" is a bullshit argument since you're the one who's supposed to support his ability to do so.

Wrong.


True, obvious, but not relevant as that was a Kakashi who had already used up a bunch of his chakra on the fight beforehand, and this was before he started getting handouts from Naruto. This point is useless to bring up unless you are going to claim that using Kamui 2 times on a human target is enough for him to feel noticeable strain.......Oh wait. That is essentially what you are claiming above.

Not to mention Kakashi has the chakra capacity to warp the Mazo's arm and not feel a thing afterwards. The Mazo's arm is larger than an MS Susanoo let alone a human body, so I think it's safe to say that attrition isn't going to be a factor here.


And I'll say it one more time since your whole argument is based on you not even knowing what a barrage is. Your argument is literally based on nothing at all. The notion that Kakashi can warp to Deidara, but not warp away a second later in itself is a 100% nonsensical reach of a claim to make in the first place.

Bold is completely ignoring the time he's doing this in. Obviously he'd barely feel strain from using it twice in a minute or two. But this is within seconds and it's full body.

Ok, he has the chakra so attrition is only relevant to his eye's strain. 1 second later is practically a barrage, but I won't take that literally. Either way, it NOT being a barrage because it's over the duration of several seconds doesn't take away from Obito's statement, because Obito said Kakashi CANNOT barrage. Here I am saying he can, but he WILL feel tremendous strain on his eye.
 

BenjerminGaye

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Nov 1, 2012
Messages
19,423
Reaction score
823
I think the reason it took such a toll on him against Deidara in canon was more because of the amount of chakra, not how quickly he was using it. So that backs up what you're saying here

It took a lot because he couldn't control it. He made the barrier bigger than it had to be.
 

KidGamer65

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Aug 5, 2012
Messages
38,776
Reaction score
2,272
So basically your current logic is Kakashi cannot barrage SMALL Kamui's so he can use several full body Kamui's (which are worth 3-4 times the chakra a small Kamui is) within 5 seconds of one another and leave without tremendous strain.

-Already shown to warp objects that dwarf human bodies without strain.
-It's not a barrage either.
-Where in the world did several come from? :lol Who said he'll use Kamui several times within 5 seconds of each other? Nobody. That's who. I suggest you start reading and then reply.



Not how it works, regardless of you not wanting to accept it.

You don't even have an argument for me to accept pal. Your claim is essentially "Obito said no barrages, thus Kakashi can't use Kamui 2 times within a few seconds even though it's obvious to me that Kamui 2 times in a few seconds isn't a barrage." And now we have you trying to supplement this point with a strain argument. Kakashi feeling strain from using Kamui twice? Is this a joke?


It not being an outright barrage does not mean Obito's statement is irrelevant

-Obito states that Kakashi cannot string a barrage with his Kamui.
-Using Kamui twice=/=Barrage.
-Still claiming that this scan is relevant.

Lol

Also, Kakashi's eye was shitting itself with blood , which is irrelevant of chakra depletion, after being used 4 times in several minutes. Using it two times in a couple of seconds is tremendously different, so stop giving me the "his MS won't feel shit" argument because you're just self-inventing feats for Kakashi's MS at this point. No other MS user has been capable of spamming MS within a few seconds without huge strain on their eyes, in exception of Obito who has Senju DNA (and is the original owner mind you). Kakashi being capable of doing this because "I have no way of disproving it" is a bullshit argument since you're the one who's supposed to support his ability to do so.

Please cut this bullshit argumentation out, because honestly you don't make a shred of sense as I've said before.

1. Kakashi's eye was bleeding due to strain, after using Kamui around 4 times beforehand. Why in the actual hell are you using this as evidence that he can't use Kamui on himself twice in the span of a few seconds? Please don't start talking about size and shit, because once again, you'll make no sense.

-Tried to warp the Mazo's neck. Don't say that "the chakra wasn't used" or "the eye didn't feel the strain" from the usage of the technique when he had already built up the chakra and released it to form the barrier.

-Kunai

-Rasengan

-Naruto's clone.

Yet somehow he won't be able to use Kamui a lesser amount of times on himself? Which would cost less chakra thus cause less strain compared to what he canonically did in the Manga before his eye started bleeding? :lol Let's also ignore the fact that Kakashi's eye bleeding isn't the reason he was unable to use Kamui anymore. The reason he was unable to use Kamui is because he ran out of chakra, hence him collapsing and gasping for air. Bleeding eyes have not and will never stop the Mangekyo from unleashing it's techs. Obito, Itachi and Sasuke will agree. And regardless of the strain he put on his eye, he was still able to keep on using the MS.

2. The more chakra used, the more strain the Mangekyo will feel. As shown by Obito's eyes bleeding while he tried to search through Kaguya's dimension. Kamui on all of those items does not cost more chakra than it would to completely rip the Mazo's arm off as the Mazo's arm dwarfs it's neck, Naruto, and the rest of those objects in overall size. If he can do that and keep on fighting, go on and tell me more about how using less chakra on smaller items (himself) is impossible. I'll wait.

3. Oh wait, we also have Kakashi gathering and releasing the chakra to warp Obito, then using Kamui to warp Rasengan away a few seconds later and then we have him using it when him and Obito teamed up against Madara. And what is this I see?

-Kamui on two humans and a human sized sand pillar at once?


No strain?

-Moments later he warps another human and his Gudo Dama staff to the other dimension?


What's that? No strain? :lol. Yeah. You can stop reaching now. Kakashi's eye bleeding after spamming Kamui while low on chakra says nothing about a fresh Kakashi using Kamui twice to warp something that'd cost him less chakra. Inb4 chakra usage is irrelevant to the bleeding of the eye.

Btw, learn what spam is. Spam is obviously more than 2 usages in a very short period of time. Spamming can't be spamming if the action is only occurring twice. Can I spam the forums with only 2 threads?

:lol No. Same deal here.


Ok, he has the chakra so attrition is only relevant to his eye's strain. 1 second later is practically a barrage, but I won't take that literally. Either way, it NOT being a barrage because it's over the duration of several seconds doesn't take away from Obito's statement, because Obito said Kakashi CANNOT barrage. Here I am saying he can, but he WILL feel tremendous strain on his eye.

Amazing. Still talking about barrages even though I practically defined barrage for you. 2 attacks is not a barrage. Not in this universe. Not in this Manga. Not ever. So do me a favor and stop mentioning Obito's scan when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about here.


Like I said. 100% nonsensical reach of a claim. A far one at that.
 
Last edited:

Apêx1

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 26, 2014
Messages
6,929
Reaction score
442
-Already shown to warp objects that dwarf human bodies without strain.
-It's not a barrage either.
-Where in the world did several come from? :lol Who said he'll use Kamui several times within 5 seconds of each other? Nobody. That's who. I suggest you start reading and then reply.





You don't even have an argument for me to accept pal. Your claim is essentially "Obito said no barrages, thus Kakashi can't use Kamui 2 times within a few seconds even though it's obvious to me that Kamui 2 times in a few seconds isn't a barrage." And now we have you trying to supplement this point with a strain argument. Kakashi feeling strain from using Kamui twice? Is this a joke?




-Obito states that Kakashi cannot string a barrage with his Kamui.
-Using Kamui twice=/=Barrage.
-Still claiming that this scan is relevant.

Lol



Please cut this bullshit argumentation out, because honestly you don't make a shred of sense as I've said before.

1. Kakashi's eye was bleeding due to strain, after using Kamui around 4 times beforehand. Why in the actual hell are you using this as evidence that he can't use Kamui on himself twice in the span of a few seconds? Please don't start talking about size and shit, because once again, you'll make no sense.

-Tried to warp the Mazo's neck. Don't say that "the chakra wasn't used" or "the eye didn't feel the strain" from the usage of the technique when he had already built up the chakra and released it to form the barrier.

-Kunai

-Rasengan

-Naruto's clone.

Yet somehow he won't be able to use Kamui a lesser amount of times on himself? Which would cost less chakra thus cause less strain compared to what he canonically did in the Manga before his eye started bleeding? :lol Let's also ignore the fact that Kakashi's eye bleeding isn't the reason he was unable to use Kamui anymore. The reason he was unable to use Kamui is because he ran out of chakra, hence him collapsing and gasping for air. Bleeding eyes have not and will never stop the Mangekyo from unleashing it's techs. Obito, Itachi and Sasuke will agree. And regardless of the strain he put on his eye, he was still able to keep on using the MS.

2. The more chakra used, the more strain the Mangekyo will feel. As shown by Obito's eyes bleeding while he tried to search through Kaguya's dimension. Kamui on all of those items does not cost more chakra than it would to completely rip the Mazo's arm off as the Mazo's arm dwarfs it's neck, Naruto, and the rest of those objects in overall size. If he can do that and keep on fighting, go on and tell me more about how using less chakra on smaller items (himself) is impossible. I'll wait.

3. Oh wait, we also have Kakashi gathering and releasing the chakra to warp Obito, then using Kamui to warp Rasengan away a few seconds later and then we have him using it when him and Obito teamed up against Madara. And what is this I see?

-Kamui on two humans and a human sized sand pillar at once?


No strain?

-Moments later he warps another human and his Gudo Dama staff to the other dimension?


What's that? No strain? :lol. Yeah. You can stop reaching now. Kakashi's eye bleeding after spamming Kamui while low on chakra says nothing about a fresh Kakashi using Kamui twice to warp something that'd cost him less chakra. Inb4 chakra usage is irrelevant to the bleeding of the eye.

Btw, learn what spam is. Spam is obviously more than 2 usages in a very short period of time. Spamming can't be spamming if the action is only occurring twice. Can I spam the forums with only 2 threads?

:lol No. Same deal here.




Amazing. Still talking about barrages even though I practically defined barrage for you. 2 attacks is not a barrage. Not in this universe. Not in this Manga. Not ever. So do me a favor and stop mentioning Obito's scan when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about here.


Like I said. 100% nonsensical reach of a claim. A far one at that.

Alright you convinced me with me with the bold
 
Top