Can rock lee be considered kage level??? He should cause people consider Sakura kage
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The Demon Hawk
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I'd have asked for evidence, but forget it. Sakura is still Kage level, so no point arguing.
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Nobody said Lee wasn't Kage-level, did they? I don't remember anyone saying Sakura can beat 7G Lee, either.
Sakura is definitely low-Kage. If Lee can access the 7th Gate (which he should), and if it's at least as strong as Gai's, then he's high-Kage.
Sakura is definitely low-Kage. If Lee can access the 7th Gate (which he should), and if it's at least as strong as Gai's, then he's high-Kage.
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As a ninja she is shit. She does not know how to fight without shaking her legs. Her fighting requires no skill. Just punch the ground and expect to win. She is too one dimensional to be considered a Kage level shonobi. You would make the Kage title a joke if you placed her there.
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it's been beyond time trying to refute the lvl of Sakura's ability because it doesn't agree with your bias. The DB hype she got clearly compared her ability against another named character in the story with the exact same abilities and skill set, so there is a crystal clear comparison being made. Your attempt at downplaying Sakura by bringing up somebody that has nothing to do with the subject only serves to highlight your obvious bias and how stubborn you are to cling to it just because you don't like her. I'm not a Sakura fan, but 2 canon sources says she is Kage lvl. Whether you want to accept it or not is your decision to make.
Sakura is on the same level as Tsunade and she surpasses sharinganless Kakashi by miles. They both were hokages, so could you please take your bias one liners else where.Sakura Kage lvl?
She's far from it.
The Demon Hawk
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Sakura vs whom? BTW, I don't think there is any need for that honestly. If you want to however, you can go ahead. No problem.
Either of them I guess? Probably Hebi Sasuke since SM Naruto is stronger, and logically i would follow that way.
I just thought you were curious as to why, and that would be the perfect place to discuss it haha.
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Okay, I guess. However you want, if you're insistent about it...
BTW, Hebi Sasuke in only weaker than War Arc SM Naruto, not the Pain Arc one. IMO, Pain Arc SM Naruto = Hebi Sasuke and War Arc SM Naruto > Hebi Sasuke definitely. But that'd be unfair to compare because if Hebi Sasuke continued his powers till the war, he'd be just as strong.
Call it curiosity or disagreement, but I don't believe Pain Arc SM Naruto or Hebi Sasuke to be stronger than current Sakura. They'd be equal if anything. War Arc SM Naruto would be stronger than current Sakura however.
There you have it, my opinion. After this, if you still feel the need to drag this into the VS section, I'll comply.
War Arc SM Naruto > Any version of MS Sasuke > Pain Arc SM Naruto > Hebi Sasuke
Before we go off topic from our orginal discussion, here's a match-up discussed already. You can read the comments, some of these from debtors you might agree on, or might not. It's a pretty obvious debate, honestly.
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That's actually where I disagree. Sakura has power, sure, but she doesn't have anything else. Naruto and Sasuke are just too versatile. It's the same reason why Hebi Sasuke destroys Tsunade too.
They aren't that far off, you know. Just one of them is extremely more powerful.
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She does not have the brain to lead a village let alone herself. If she was Hokage she would destroy the village with her bear hands. Due to losing tantrums every hour.
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I agree with this 95%.
First, let me make it clear that when deciding between Naruto and Sasuke at any level, their respective summons are irrelevant. Otherwise, you have to specifically mention "character + his summons". And another very important thing to keep in mind is that MS Sasuke would be much stronger if he continued with MS till the war (blindness excluded). So he'd be significantly stronger than War Arc SM Naruto in that case, proportionally as he was stronger than Pain Arc SM Naruto at the same time period.
Let's keep the summons out for now and just focus on themselves and their power...
With that, I'll say: Hypothetical War Arc MS Sasuke > Peak canon MS Sasuke >= War Arc SM Naruto > Hebi Sasuke >= Pain Arc SM Naruto
With all potential summons however: Hypothetical War Arc MS Sasuke > War Arc SM Naruto >= Peak canon MS Sasuke > Pain Arc SM Naruto > Hebi Sasuke
In your rating, I presume you're including summons and limiting it to canon. Which means it should be the same as my bolded rating aside from "Hypothetical War Arc MS Sasuke". And your rating is almost exactly the same as mine (the only difference is the partial equality I gave to War Arc SM Naruto and Peak canon MS Sasuke).
Now that I've stated myself and cleared it all up, are there any objections?
Honestly, I don't see things with the kind of limited vision like most people here. So I disagree with most of the opinions in this thread. Though I disagree with their reasoning, I agree with their statements for the most part.
With summons:
Pain Arc SM Naruto > Hebi Sasuke
Without summons:
Hebi Sasuke >= Pain Arc SM Naruto
That's true and I completely agree with you. @bold You don't disagree, you just misunderstood and went the wrong direction. I'll explain...
Aren't we just talking about just power and capability? Because that's exactly what decides whether a person is Kage level or not. Winning or losing depends upon a LOT of other factors and it is totally irrelevant to the discussion. Diedara is high Kage (S class), yet he lost to Hebi Sasuke who is not higher than mid Kage.
And you're right about the winning/losing aspect as well. In a fight, SM Naruto and Hebi Sasuke would win even against current Sakura, presumably. But this doesn't affect Sakura's Kage position AT ALL. Sakura is still above them when it comes to Kage potency. And aside from her battle power, she's currently the best medical ninja on the planet. That also factors in when deciding "Kage level". So you've got the entirely wrong idea here, pal.
@bold Mid-Kage IMO.
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I love Rock Lee, but i dunno if he is Kage level yet. we can assume he has the ability to go to the 7th and possibly 8th gate but those are one chance attacks, to be kage level you would need consistent strong attacks not 8th gate we both die attacks. Plus he only has taijutsu so if he went against someone like Gaara who is a current kage and gaara flew up into the air, how would he win? or if Mei turned the ground to lava what will he do to counter it.
I dont know if Rock lee surpassed Might Guy and could be considered kage level, but he is definately a splendid ninja at least.
I dont know if Rock lee surpassed Might Guy and could be considered kage level, but he is definately a splendid ninja at least.
