The way Kabuto applies was paralysis. But the thing is, the strength of his genjutsu enable him to cancel out something like Susanoo (which needs no physical movement to use)
Genjutsu is a Genjutsu though their used differently, the main point is to control the chakra in one's head.
First of all, Never was it said to be different. The main point is to affect the senses. That's all to it.
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There are different forms but they all carry the same use in different ways given the fact that they involve controlling the chakra in one's head...Doesn't matter whether it's through the eyes, ears or nose. The main point is it controls the chakra in one's head.
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And we've seen Itachi failed to control the chakra in the clone's head. Therefore, Tayuya would fail to do the same.
Tayuya's Genjutsu was never stated to be different. Never in any unique way except for the fact that it works on the ears. It was noted to be a long distance Genjutsu and Shikamaru said it's harder because it can still be used while hiding unlike the sight.
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Don't even bring up the Mizukage's Genjutsu.
- It's a collaboration.
- Hurting yourself won't free you out of it. Meanwhile, hurting yourself and a partner hitting you( or disrupting your chakra) can free you out of both Itachi's and Tayuya's as seen with Kurenai, B, Naruto/Sakura, Shikamaru, Sasuke/Itachi
- It doesn't hurt the users/Restrain them at all. It's completely different unlike these 2 as having the ability to sense merely deals with the Genjutsu. Regardless, nothing even implies it affects clones or puts them in illusions.
Anyway I still have 1 point made, concerning dealing with Sound Genjutsu.
1. Sound Genjutsu is capable of taking out multiple opponents.
2. Your quote shows that Genjutsu is controlling the opponents brain.
3. We know that in a scenario against a clone user, Sound genjutsu will attack both original and clone, wither if it will work or not.
We seen in the manga that Kabuto was able control Sasuke and Itachi use of Sussanoo, by canceling it. It couldnt be by paralysis because Susanoo requires no movements for its useage.
If Kabuto controls the brain of the opponent, what stops him from canceling clones off the field, by telling the orignal to?
Anyway I still have 1 point made, concerning dealing with Sound Genjutsu.
1. Sound Genjutsu is capable of taking out multiple opponents.
2. Your quote shows that Genjutsu is controlling the opponents brain.
3. We know that in a scenario against a clone user, Sound genjutsu will attack both original and clone, wither if it will work or not.
We seen in the manga that Kabuto was able control Sasuke and Itachi use of Sussanoo, by canceling it. It couldnt be by paralysis because Susanoo requires no movements for its useage.
If Kabuto controls the brain of the opponent, what stops him from canceling clones off the field, by telling the orignal to?
Their Kage Bunshins disperse and the chakra returns from the bunshin to the original and that disrupts the chakra flow. Naruto wasn't in SM but when his clone dispersed, he had access to something he didn't have before (it granted him SM back)
Kage Bunshin is an actual human copy and we've seen in the Manga that the Original despite creating the clone, doesn't have knowledge on what the clone does/has experienced until they're dispersed
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. Vice versa, the clones doesn't have knowledge on what the original is doing. All the experience is gathered when the clones disperse.
Therefore, the chakra given to the clones is Naruto's but it's not affected because it's in a different body. When they are dispersed, they disrupt Naruto's charka of course considering they return back as they were unaffected in the first place and more chakra is granted which should disrupt it and break the control since it's more like third party being added.
Notice how Jiraiya says "The Chakra in your head is controlled by the opponent"
One thing is for sure and it is that Kakashi's clone was in fact inside "itachi's world".
-Was he suffering? Was he being really affected? Maybe not
-Was his reality being manipulated preventing him to know what was really happening? Yes
Genjutsu did work.
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Kakashi actually being able to grab Itachi despite being inside genjutsu doesn't proof anything. We alreatonguedy know even Ninjutsu, or Genjutsu can be performed while being inside genjutsu itself.
Kakashi's clone was in fact affected by the genjutsu. Him being able to grab itachi doesn't mean anything.
Genjutsu was used on him and had zero effects. Hence Itachi saying "No wonder, my Genjutsu had no effect on you, "This is a Bunshin"...I went over everything again. If it worked, there are multiple examples to show us how the scenario should have gone if ti had an effect:
- Ay
- Bee
- Cee
The effect on them shows us typically what happened. The clone in fact still strengthened his grip on him even while the Genjutsu was still being used on him. He was supposed to be restrained and this is the reason for Kakashi sending the clone out there due to the plan him and Naruto had. However he was still actively holding Itachi afterwards.
You can't say him being able to grab him doesn't mean anything..Especially Itachi stating such once the clone strengthened the grip implying indeed there was zero effect on the clone as we could see.
But the original getting caught is entirely dependant on the situation and the type of genjutsu.
In the case for Mugen Onsa, If the sound passes through both the clones and the original, then they are all getting caught since they will all be hearing the sound that affects their brain. For Minato he gets caught. but naruto breaks free from partner method so it doesnt matter either way,
But the original getting caught is entirely dependant on the situation and the type of genjutsu.
In the case for Mugen Onsa, If the sound passes through both the clones and the original, then they are all getting caught since they will all be hearing the sound that affects their brain. For Minato he gets caught. but naruto breaks free from partner method so it doesnt matter either way,
If you were correct regarding that Naruto situation being a clone, how come it was the real Nartuo the crow came out of when Itachi met with him? Not to mention that scan doesn't show it affecting the user but only a form of communication which as shown in the Kakashi scan didn't prevent him from still functioning in real life such as grabbing Itachi more. It had no effect on the clone even if the clone can be put in it. Otherwise why was the clone still functioning such as grabbing Itachi for Naruto's attack?
If you were correct regarding that Naruto situation being a clone, how come it was the real Nartuo the crow came out of when Itachi met with him? Not to mention that scan doesn't show it affecting the user but only a form of communication which as shown in the Kakashi scan didn't prevent him from still functioning in real life such as grabbing Itachi more. It had no effect on the clone even if the clone can be put in it. Otherwise why was the clone still functioning such as grabbing Itachi for Naruto's attack?
the genjutsu didnt affect the original naruto because itachi never encountered the real in that situation. that was my main point.
If there is no contact with the original then the original is safe, just like how it was agianst kakashi since only his clone got caught
and itachi referred to the original kakashi as the one being unaffected.
The genjutsu clearly had an afffect on clone naruto since he was unable to attack him and was kept in place to put the crow right in his mouth whilst he just stands there.
If the clone was unaffected, then he could legit just walk through the genjutsu and just continue to attack but that clearly didnt happen
The genjutsu also had an affect on kakashis clone.
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but kakashis clone being able to hold itachi in place was because he was skilled enough to resist the genjutsu
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as for the crow coming back to the original. I honestly cant give a reasonable explanation for that.
If you were correct regarding that Naruto situation being a clone, how come it was the real Nartuo the crow came out of when Itachi met with him? Not to mention that scan doesn't show it affecting the user but only a form of communication which as shown in the Kakashi scan didn't prevent him from still functioning in real life such as grabbing Itachi more. It had no effect on the clone even if the clone can be put in it. Otherwise why was the clone still functioning such as grabbing Itachi for Naruto's attack?
@Bold Same reason Naruto gains all the knowledge the clone receive when they disappear.
The clone was definitely in the genjustu, the
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shows them returning to reality which is when the clone grabs Itachi. Kakashi's clone must have broken out using his 3t or the genjustu ended since it was pointless to keep up since it was just a clone (Sasuke and Itachi constantly broke each other's genjustu with their sharingan or ended them when they were seen through during their fight)
The way Kabuto applies was paralysis. But the thing is, the strength of his genjutsu enable him to cancel out something like Susanoo (which needs no physical movement to use)
the genjutsu didnt affect the original naruto because itachi never encountered the real in that situation. that was my main point.
If there is no contact with the original then the original is safe, just like how it was agianst kakashi since only his clone got caught
and itachi referred to the original kakashi as the one being unaffected.
I already explained the Kakashi situation several times in the thread.
The genjutsu clearly had an afffect on clone naruto since he was unable to attack him and was kept in place to put the crow right in his mouth whilst he just stands there.
If the clone was unaffected, then he could legit just walk through the genjutsu and just continue to attack but that clearly didnt happen
The genjutsu also had an affect on kakashis clone.
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but kakashis clone being able to hold itachi in place was because he was skilled enough to resist the genjutsu
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as for the crow coming back to the original. I honestly cant give a reasonable explanation for that.
- Naruto was already stopped by the crow and asked to listen after he got put in it. The Genjutsu had no effect on him even though he was in it as seen with Kakashi being in it too. Ay's armor dropped when he was hit with such and he was forced to collapse, B collapsed, C as well and Susano'o. The likes of Base Naruto's clones would easily be dispersed in a Genjutsu if it was supposed to be effective. He was in the Genjutsu but it had no effect on him. Like how Itachi put Sasuke in a Genjutsu and it had no effect on him despite knowing so
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. Not necessarily an effective one that puts anything on the clone. Clones can be put in a Genjutsu but it has no effect on them hence them being able to still function in the real regardless of being caught. Either that or they can easily walk through it if they decide to as it has no effect going by Itachi's words. Not to mention Naruto knew this time that he was in one but made no attempt to break out? That's because he settled to listen.
- Itachi didn't give him the crow in the Genjutsu...He gave it to him after the Genjutsu. Genjutsu is an illusion hence everything there not being real. Kakashi's clone was functioning fine during the Genjutsu while in the real...Naruto's clone opted to listen to Itachi in this case. Otherwise I'm pretty sure it would have been made clear that he could still function fine in the real. We saw the same with Kakashi's clone being put in and the Genjutsu being at play but then we shortly saw what occurred after that showing that even while it was taking place, he could still be active in the real with zero effects. Plus Kakashi must have known this as he planned with Naruto beforehand .
- There's no way the clone resisted it..Based on Itachi's words there no was no effect on the clone. As soon as he grabbed Itachi, those words came out implying why the effect wasn't happening. "No wonder"
- Itachi didn't give him the crow in the Genjutsu...He gave it to him after the Genjutsu. Genjutsu is an illusion hence everything there not being real. Kakashi's clone was functioning fine during the Genjutsu while in the real...Naruto's clone opted to listen to Itachi in this case. Otherwise I'm pretty sure it would have been made clear that he could still function fine in the real. We saw the same with Kakashi's clone being put in and the Genjutsu being at play but then we shortly saw what occurred after that showing that even while it was taking place, he could still be active in the real with zero effects. Plus Kakashi must have known this as he planned with Naruto beforehand .
@Bold That messes up your point. Itachi used genjustu as a distraction so he could put the crow inside clone Naruto's mouth. If Naruto's clone truly wasnt effected by the genjustu then in the real world he wouldnt ever let a crow inside his mouth but when the crow jumps into his mouth that then
^^Can this individual stop quoting me. To answer your point, why was Naruto surprised before the Crow came in? Zero sense and that kills you because it means he must have been active to realize that in the real or he won't be surprised when he's not even active there at all. Not to mention he was surprised the first time it came at him before the Genjutsu.
^^Can this individual stop quoting me. To answer your point, why was Naruto surprised before the Crow came in? Zero sense and that kills you because it means he must have been active to realize that in the real or he won't be surprised when he's not even active there at all. Not to mention he was surprised the first time it came at him before the Genjutsu.
Yeah I feel like I'm done already. Not to mention this makes you look incredibly silly considering you stated the Crow entering his mouth broke him out of the Genjutsu but then again you state he has a surprise face from the Genjutsu being broken even though the surprise face came before the crow entering his mouth. Read before you post lmfao.
I hope to God you're not arguing the crow being in his mouth before it appears in the next panel where it's clear. Not to mention he has the reaction in the panel making it clear it just entered. "uhmff"
Yeah I feel like I'm done already. Not to mention this makes you look incredibly silly considering you stated the Crow entering his mouth broke him out of the Genjutsu but then again you state he has a surprise face from the Genjutsu being broken even though the surprise face came before the crow entering his mouth. Read before you post lmfao.
I hope to God you're not arguing the crow being in his mouth before it appears in the next panel where it's clear. Not to mention he has the reaction in the panel making it clear it just entered. "uhmff"
No as you can see in the next panel the crow's head and upper body is already in his mouth so obviously it was there before the next panel which is what breaks the genjustu and why Naruto is surprised.
No as you can see in the next panel the crow's head is in his mouth so obviously it was already in his mouth before the next panel which is what breaks the genjustu and why Naruto is surprised.
