[VS] CS2 Sasuke vs SM Naruto

[Haizaki]

Naruto takes this.

 

[Apêx1]

Except dodging fastest Fūton, FRS with no much difficulty. Twice. And Raikage was noted to be extemely fast. He logically be as fast as V1 E, but you still can't prove that Hebi Sasuke is faster than HM Naruto because you also can't tell whether E or Sandaime is faster.

What the actual fūck.. What are FRS's speed feats?..
1. Never crossed a crater.
2. Never hit anyone that wasn't stationary.
3. More misses/fails after being thrown.

What exactly is this speed you speak of, I have no reason to prove Ay is faster than Sandaime, you are the one who needs to prove Sandaime is faster-- burden of proof fallacy.

No one said they are to fuse, they can be used in combat even without fusion like last time.

1. Still needs the summoning ritual.
2. Still vulnerable to genjutsu the second they are brought in and no one will know they are under genjutsu since they share no connection/won't expect it.

The Katon volume can change but not it's speed, also KM Naruto without Shunshin and inferior precognition dodged Itachi's Katon. Itachi severely injured and sick dodged one from 5 meter range. Even Sakura dodged it back then.

Once again, that was 30% Itachi which Kakashi noted was off after the Katon. Sasuke couldn't dodge Itachi's Katon while in mid-air. Point?

The dragon Katon that were dodged by injured, sick and exhausted Itachi? Might as well use Shunshin blitz as an argument because Naruto senses the build up and dodges it.

Nope, re-read the chapter and you'll see that Itachi's arms were being burned every time. Don't see where your arguments are going when they are based on false information tbh.

Yes, he will sense if his chakra is messed up. That's a way to spot it and Naruto or his clone just breaks him out of it.

Again, Manda is not even a factor.

When was SM implied to sense chakra flow disturbance? Never. Clone won't do it since he doesn't know, not to mention Sasuke blitzes in that time-frame.

Nice counter to Manda btw, the "again" part is highly intriguing.

He doesn't have Aoda and Manda is thrown away.

Okay and nope.

Naruto literally threw half Kurama with sheer strength Manda is not any bigger than that, and he gets thrown to oblivion or Naruto slices him with FRS.

Manda is much larger than Kurama. Bunta is as big as Kurama, Manda is as large as Bunta when he is curled up... So no, no and no. FRS isn't killing someone who's flesh could resist C0. Manda dodges as well, unless you bring me FRS speed feats denying Manda's dig into ground.

FRS can be a cutting weapon and expands so it cuts Manda in half with relative ease. And no, Naruto's clone keeps him held in place with his strength if he does that. But 3 boss summons take care of him.

No, it expands but no where nearly enough to cut Manda in half.. This guy, Lol. Not to mention FRS takes time to throw, meaning Sasuke counters with Chidori Senbon or Katon's. And yea.. no, manda isn't being held in place, not to mention he can slough his skin or dig into the ground to escape, unless Naruto's hands are so large they cover the entirety of Manda.. Lol

Ken and Bunta cut up Manda, last time he could barely handle two summons also he has Hiro to help them so Manda gets sliced up.

You're telling me Naruto runs out before Sasuke? What.

Where are these 5 summons coming from.. Come on dude, I know you like Naruto, but seriously? Since when can he summon 5 toads let alone 3? Shima was the one to do it for him last time, no reason to believe he can unless you bring up scans. Naruto summons 2 elders and he can summon Bunta, more than that isn't assertable. One of the 2 elders get put into genjutsu and Manda rapes Bunta like last time. Any of the two elder's under Sasuke's control stick their tongue into Naruto's head when he doesn't expect it. Inb4 he dodges when Madara couldn't dodge an unexpected attack.

Ummm. Yea, if he is spamming FRS, then he definitely is, not to mention all these summons. He's definitely out before Sasuke. Having a larger chakra pool doesn't mean you can spam every jutsu you know, have your opponent use 5 jutsu, and him run out before you. That's not how it works buddy.

It's the only logical way, though we have no other way to prove who's superior in CQC.

Kusanagi isn't even a factor, Naruto dodges it and punches Sasuke with Kawazu Kumite. Naruto tanks the Chidori Nagashi with his durability.

No, it's what you want to believe to assert Naruto can compete speed wise. Prove it or don't debate his speed/CQC.

Yea, because Naruto is going to dodge it, close the distance of the sword and hit Sasuke with a punch. More jokes, if he attempts to close the distance, either a snake comes out forcing Naruto backwards, he uses Chidori Nagashi or makes his sword's raiton range expand [

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Naruto's HM has never been pierced any other than himself, which he was willing to do. But since Kabuto dodged it with ease, Naruto will as well. Deidara has also dodged his blade Naruto dodges it and wrecks his face.

Kabuto was as fast as Itachi. Naruto isn't. Deidara never escaped it so I don't see what you are talking about, unless you are saying I claimed Naruto can't dodge a Chidori Eiso from 12 meters. Naruto gets pierced until you get me penetrative durability feats. Stop abusing burden of fallacy to keep a point up.

So what's your point then? Firstly, Naruto can always replenish his Senjutsu that energizes his body. Secondly Sasuke used in his fight with Itachi two Katon techniques, Oral Rebirth, genjutsu and a few Chidori's. He won't be lasting anywhere near as long as Naruto based on those stats in the first round. And no, it was Sasuke's Kusanagk as he has always used. That cuts through steel like butter.

Umm no. Sasuke used a massive Chidori spear and made it expand radially, Sasuke summoned a snake, Sasuke summoned 100's of shurikens along with four massive one's two of which were imbued by Chidori, two Katon's, a Chidori, an Oral Rebirth which take smassive chakra, 3 Katon Dragon's, and then used Chidori to guide the entire Kirin, note guiding and shape manipulating something so large also would take massive chakra. Look back at the Deidara fight as well. When he didn't use Kirin/Katon's, he was capable of using his techniques all he wanted to, spamming genjutsu, Chidori Senbon, Chidori's, Chidori Nagashi's, summoning Manda, shunshin's, etc. He doesn't need to waste his entire chakra pool to win, he just needs his CQC/Raiton abilities, Manda and genjutsu, similarly to the Deidara fight. If Naruto summons 3 Toads and spams FRS, Sasuke definitely can last longer. Umm, wot? Sasuke's Kusanagi isn't Orochimaru's, it doesn't have a soul like Oro's, it's a random sword which has no exceptional feats when not enhanced by Raiton. Not to mention it's the same sword he's using here, so he cuts through Naruto.

Sasuke tanked in CM2 his Chidori, B took on Chidori and wasn't even that fatigued, Sasuke took on Darui's Ranton without much damage at all in base. HM Naruto won't be affected a bit. And Nagashi is much, much less concentrated than all of these.

Wtf did I just read.. :| Sasuke's Affinity is Raiton, so he's not heavily affected, yet said he was in extreme pain to Deidara. Bee's affinity is Raiton, and has durability above Naruto, so once again, false analogy. Until you show feats of some form of resistance Naruto has to Raiton, he's getting numbed like anyone else. That comparison is completely flawed as you only factored in Raiton affinity types. Naruto gets shitted on.

Except that SA used bugs and dust to cover up the entire SA against Obito's and Madara's Sharingan so your point stays moot.

Um.. Last I checked, Obito could clearly see the bugs within the cloud and even some specks which are seemingly far into the cloud [

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If Naruto is affected then Ma and Pa will break him out, if Ma or Pa is affected Naruto breaks them out. And they will all sense if one is affected so genjutsu is not a factor here.

Again, since when can they sense chakra disturbance? Not to mention that they won't be able to react in time, Sasuke won't be waiting. Every summon Naruto has has this thing called movement. Don't know if you've heard about this but... Ma and Pa can move!!!! And since they're parallels.. Guess what?!?!? They won't catch each other when one is ahead of the other!!!!!

 

[Haizaki]

@Apex, Shadow clones counter Genjutsu. Given the fact that when they are dispersed, the chakra goes back into Naruto

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and that would disrupt his chakra flow.

 

[Rιver]

No, when one's original body is in genjutsu their chakra is disrupted and Bunshin's are dispelled automatically.

 

[Haizaki]

No, when one's original body is in genjutsu their chakra is disrupted and Bunshin's are dispelled automatically.

Their Kage Bunshins disperse and the chakra returns from the bunshin to the original and that disrupts the chakra flow. Naruto wasn't in SM but when his clone dispersed, he had access to something he didn't have before.

Kage Bunshin is an actual human copy and we've seen in the Manga that the Original despite creating the clone, doesn't have knowledge on what the clone does/has experienced until they're dispersed

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. Vice versa, the clones doesn't have knowledge on what the original is doing. All the experience is gathered when the clones disperse.

Therefore, the chakra given to the clones is Naruto's but it's not affected because it's in a different body. When they are dispersed, they disrupt Naruto's charka of course.

Notice how Jiraiya says "The Chakra in your head is controlled by the opponent"

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[makosheva7]

Their Kage Bunshins disperse and the chakra returns from the bunshin to the original and that disrupts the chakra flow. Naruto wasn't in SM but when his clone dispersed, he had access to something he didn't have before.

Kage Bunshin is an actual human copy and we've seen in the Manga that the Original despite creating the clone, doesn't have knowledge on what the clone does/has experienced until they're dispersed

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. Vice versa, the clones doesn't have knowledge on what the original is doing. All the experience is gathered when the clones disperse.

Therefore, the chakra given to the clones is Naruto's but it's not affected because it's in a different body. When they are dispersed, they disrupt Naruto's charka of course.

Notice how Jiraiya says "The Chakra in your head is controlled by the opponent"

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truuuuuuuuuue. Ok then it's gotta be Naruto low-mid diff then. Nice.

 

[Rιver]

Their Kage Bunshins disperse and the chakra returns from the bunshin to the original and that disrupts the chakra flow. Naruto wasn't in SM but when his clone dispersed, he had access to something he didn't have before.

Kage Bunshin is an actual human copy and we've seen in the Manga that the Original despite creating the clone, doesn't have knowledge on what the clone does/has experienced until they're dispersed

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. Vice versa, the clones doesn't have knowledge on what the original is doing. All the experience is gathered when the clones disperse.

Therefore, the chakra given to the clones is Naruto's but it's not affected because it's in a different body. When they are dispersed, they disrupt Naruto's charka of course.

Notice how Jiraiya says "The Chakra in your head is controlled by the opponent"

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I'm not sure whether the chakra returns to the owner... because when Naruto goes HM, everybody go HM. Well, you have a point though.

What the actual fūck.. What are FRS's speed feats?..
1. Never crossed a crater.
2. Never hit anyone that wasn't stationary.
3. More misses/fails after being thrown.

What exactly is this speed you speak of, I have no reason to prove Ay is faster than Sandaime, you are the one who needs to prove Sandaime is faster-- burden of proof fallacy.

FRS travels as fast a Bijuu Dama. Bijuu Dama travels as fast as Susano'O arrow. Susano'O arrow was faster than Kakashi and Danzou could dodge, and Kakashi = Hebi Sasuke in speed. Hebi Sasuke = MS Sasuke, who dodged V1 E.

1. Still needs the summoning ritual.
2. Still vulnerable to genjutsu the second they are brought in and no one will know they are under genjutsu since they share no connection/won't expect it.

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2. They sense it.

Once again, that was 30% Itachi which Kakashi noted was off after the Katon. Sasuke couldn't dodge Itachi's Katon while in mid-air. Point?

And B slashed Itachi's Katon as Edo Tensei. Point? It's not going to blitz Naruto here.

Nope, re-read the chapter and you'll see that Itachi's arms were being burned every time. Don't see where your arguments are going when they are based on false information tbh.

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When was SM implied to sense chakra flow disturbance? Never. Clone won't do it since he doesn't know, not to mention Sasuke blitzes in that time-frame.

Nice counter to Manda btw, the "again" part is highly intriguing.

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Manda is destroyed as I said. Are you telling me he'll handle 3 boss summons? Because he won't handle 3 boss summons.

Okay and nope.

Yup.

Manda is much larger than Kurama. Bunta is as big as Kurama, Manda is as large as Bunta when he is curled up... So no, no and no. FRS isn't killing someone who's flesh could resist C0. Manda dodges as well, unless you bring me FRS speed feats denying Manda's dig into ground.

Didn't factor in the fact that Kurama's body = Bunta, but his tail >= Kurama. And he has nine.

Are you joking? Because I wish you were joking. FRS cuts Manda clean when a sword cut his mouth. Blast =/= penetration.

Manda is held in place.

No, it expands but no where nearly enough to cut Manda in half.. This guy, Lol. Not to mention FRS takes time to throw, meaning Sasuke counters with Chidori Senbon or Katon's. And yea.. no, manda isn't being held in place, not to mention he can slough his skin or dig into the ground to escape, unless Naruto's hands are so large they cover the entirety of Manda.. Lol

No, Katon is irrelevant as it doesn't push it back. Raiton < Fuuton so wind destroys and decimates the lightning he throws on it without changing a bit. If Kurama, much stronger than Bunta or Manda was thrown and overpowered by just a clone how the hell is Manda going to fair any better? This logic, went downhill.

Where are these 5 summons coming from.. Come on dude, I know you like Naruto, but seriously? Since when can he summon 5 toads let alone 3? Shima was the one to do it for him last time, no reason to believe he can unless you bring up scans. Naruto summons 2 elders and he can summon Bunta, more than that isn't assertable. One of the 2 elders get put into genjutsu and Manda rapes Bunta like last time. Any of the two elder's under Sasuke's control stick their tongue into Naruto's head when he doesn't expect it. Inb4 he dodges when Madara couldn't dodge an unexpected attack.

Naruto has summoned all but Ken. Here he has 3 summons.

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Shima summons Ken as in manga. And a contract with a toad is with all toads as stated by Kishimoto.

Ummm. Yea, if he is spamming FRS, then he definitely is, not to mention all these summons. He's definitely out before Sasuke. Having a larger chakra pool doesn't mean you can spam every jutsu you know, have your opponent use 5 jutsu, and him run out before you. That's not how it works buddy.

No, one FRS is taking care of Sasuke.

No, it's what you want to believe to assert Naruto can compete speed wise. Prove it or don't debate his speed/CQC.

Base Naruto was faster than MS Sasuke could slash one, MS Sasuke and Base Naruto clashed. HM? Sasuke is getting stomped, because even if they're at the very best on par Sasuke gets destroyed by Kawazu Kumite.

Yea, because Naruto is going to dodge it, close the distance of the sword and hit Sasuke with a punch. More jokes, if he attempts to close the distance, either a snake comes out forcing Naruto backwards, he uses Chidori Nagashi or makes his sword's raiton range expand [

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No one said Naruto is attacking by himself, last time he fought 6 Pains who were fast enough to compete Kakashi, all clones running towards Sasuke means certain death.

Chidori Eiso was dodged by HM Kabuto, lol?

Kabuto was as fast as Itachi. Naruto isn't. Deidara never escaped it so I don't see what you are talking about, unless you are saying I claimed Naruto can't dodge a Chidori Eiso from 12 meters. Naruto gets pierced until you get me penetrative durability feats. Stop abusing burden of fallacy to keep a point up.

HM Naruto is as fast as Itachi, KM Naruto wasn't any inferior or much to HM Naruto and fought Itachi on par without Shunshin, HM Naruto has shown better precognition feats which enable him better CQC. The only thing KM Naruto is superior in is his Shunshin, but HM Naruto > KM Naruto in CQC.

Kusanagi blitz I mean. You're telling me Deidara > HM Naruto, which is beyond ridiculous.

Umm no. Sasuke used a massive Chidori spear and made it expand radially, Sasuke summoned a snake, Sasuke summoned 100's of shurikens along with four massive one's two of which were imbued by Chidori, two Katon's, a Chidori, an Oral Rebirth which take smassive chakra, 3 Katon Dragon's, and then used Chidori to guide the entire Kirin, note guiding and shape manipulating something so large also would take massive chakra. Look back at the Deidara fight as well. When he didn't use Kirin/Katon's, he was capable of using his techniques all he wanted to, spamming genjutsu, Chidori Senbon, Chidori's, Chidori Nagashi's, summoning Manda, shunshin's, etc. He doesn't need to waste his entire chakra pool to win, he just needs his CQC/Raiton abilities, Manda and genjutsu, similarly to the Deidara fight. If Naruto summons 3 Toads and spams FRS, Sasuke definitely can last longer. Umm, wot? Sasuke's Kusanagi isn't Orochimaru's, it doesn't have a soul like Oro's, it's a random sword which has no exceptional feats when not enhanced by Raiton. Not to mention it's the same sword he's using here, so he cuts through Naruto.

Naruto made about 30 or 40 clones while fighting Pain, that means each gets half a portion. All that > anything you listed, didn't even include FRS which takes massive amount of chakra and Rasengan variants.

Wtf did I just read.. :| Sasuke's Affinity is Raiton, so he's not heavily affected, yet said he was in extreme pain to Deidara. Bee's affinity is Raiton, and has durability above Naruto, so once again, false analogy. Until you show feats of some form of resistance Naruto has to Raiton, he's getting numbed like anyone else. That comparison is completely flawed as you only factored in Raiton affinity types. Naruto gets shitted on.

Sasuke with inferior Senjutsu mode tanked it and massive amount of explosions, a fresh HM Naruto gets one shotted by an inferior Chidori? Dude, seriously what.

B has better durability in base than HM Naruto? Okay, not replying to this because... no words.

Read what you wrote and think about what you just said, lol.

Um.. Last I checked, Obito could clearly see the bugs within the cloud and even some specks which are seemingly far into the cloud [

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The dust cloud didn't have chakra, it was pure dust and Mei used her mist to hide the Gokage so nope.

Again, since when can they sense chakra disturbance? Not to mention that they won't be able to react in time, Sasuke won't be waiting. Every summon Naruto has has this thing called movement. Don't know if you've heard about this but... Ma and Pa can move!!!! And since they're parallels.. Guess what?!?!? They won't catch each other when one is ahead of the other!!!!!

Just read manga.