[Discussion] Is God a mystery or a man?

[BrillyMac]

This is excactly what pagans do.
Suretul El Enbija chapter number 21 verse number 29:
And whoever of them should say,"indeed,i am god besides him"-That one we would recompense with hell.Thus do we recompense the wrongdoers.

I literally said two things can't occupy the same space at the same town which means there can only be one God

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

I have been taught that before God, There was just matter(the Material of darkness), electricity, and thought;the matter served no purpose. I have also been taught that God created himself and in his first stage was a spark. Have you ever heard when two objects come together at such rapid speeds a spark can be created? Let me get a little deeper. When sperm strikes the ovum, a spark of life is created. The sperm is like electricity and the ovum is like the material of darkness. Gid created himself with these materials in the same way new life is made

Well you're not getting it, so this is my last post.

@bold: The very first sentence. There wouldn't be a God, creator of all things, if there was something before it. You're not really thinking about it.

 

[Joon]

God exist because we allow him to exist. If we say there is no God, then there will be no God. Therefore, he is an idea.

 

[BrillyMac]

Well you're not getting it, so this is my last post.

@bold: The very first sentence, there wouldn't be a God, creator of all things, if there was something before it. You're not really thinking about it.

Omnipresence is not only in relation to time it deals with the concept of space. Indeed both space and time are concepts from their origin. Omnipresent means being everywhere and 'everywhen'. As a result if god created himself there must be a space or place in which he created himself in and if the place was around before and previously wasn't occupied then god isn't omnipresent.

All concepts are said to be created i.e time, space, life, death, existence, non existence etc. God is said to encompass all of creation in his knowledge and is said to be unique and thus outside of everything including every concept.

My first post was that man can't grasp the nature of an omnipotent being and this has been proven correct.

I have remembered! God himself is not omnipresent but his power is. He is omniscient and omnipotent, but that also goes along with his power which comes back to my electricity reference. If you don't mind, I want to show you a video that will make a lot more sense

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

I have remembered! God himself is not omnipresent but his power is. He is omniscient and omnipotent, but that also goes along with his power which comes back to my electricity reference. If you don't mind, I want to show you a video that will make a lot more sense

Okay for real, last post.

That's not logical though...You're saying darkness, electricity, and thought created God. When those are all concepts that something who created all things would bring into existence.

Darkness is something that's exists, matter is something that exists. How can they bring him into existence when originally you said he came into existence when nothing existed...

Really though I'm not replying back to you.

 

[BrillyMac]

Okay for real, last post.

That's not logical though...You're saying darkness, electricity, and thought created God. When those are all concepts that something who created all things would bring into existence.

Darkness is something that's exists, matter is something that exists. How can they bring him into existence when originally you said he came into existence when nothing existed...

Really though I'm not replying back to you.

Basic science rule: matter is not created or destroyed it changes forms. Same with energy.

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Start at an hour and 53 minutes

 

[Awkward Linguist]

He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.​

 

[Gerkak]

Basic science rule: matter is not created or destroyed it changes forms. Same with energy.

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Start at an hour and 53 minutes

Have you reduced yourself to this? This is the same science that supports the big bang, that means there was a time that matter and energy was created, you are contradicting yourself. Matter and energy are things that are affected by time yet you said god came before time, so how could matter exist before god?

You are confused

 

[BrillyMac]

He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.​

Start on an hour and 53 minutes in my link above. It's a Muslim talking

Have you reduced yourself to this? This is the same science that supports the big bang, that means there was a time that matter and energy was created, you ou said are contradicting yourself. Matter and energy are things that are affected by time yet you said god came before time, so how could matter exist before god?

You are confused

To understand what I'm saying start at an hour and 53 minutes on the link above

 

[Multiply]

Have you reduced yourself to this? This is the same science that supports the big bang, that means there was a time that matter and energy was created, you are contradicting yourself. Matter and energy are things that are affected by time yet you said god came before time, so how could matter exist before god?

You are confused

The big bang does not explain the creation of matter or energy.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Have you reduced yourself to this? This is the same science that supports the big bang, that means there was a time that matter and energy was created, you are contradicting yourself. Matter and energy are things that are affected by time yet you said god came before time, so how could matter exist before god?

You are confused

No, prior to the big bang all matter and energy existed as a Singularity. The Big Bang didn't create all matter and energy in the universe.

 

[BrillyMac]

No, prior to the big bang all matter and energy existed as a Singularity. The Big Bang didn't create all matter and energy in the universe.

The big bang does not explain the creation of matter or energy.

Thanks guys wease:

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

No, prior to the big bang all matter and energy existed as a Singularity. The Big Bang didn't create all matter and energy in the universe.

What are you talking about? He never said it created all matter and energy.

 

[BrillyMac]

What are you talking about? He never said it created all matter and energy.

The Big Bang is actually related to God creating the universe in my opinion. Creationist and religious people agree on one thing, and if you don't believe me watch Bill nyes debate with the religious dude, but if the Big Bang were rea, they'd have to agree that everything started at one point. Just like when you throw a grenade and it explodes, it was originally at one point

 

[Multiply]

The Big Bang is actually related to God creating the universe in my opinion. Creationist and religious people agree on one thing, and if you don't believe me watch Bill nyes debate with the religious dude, but if the Big Bang were rea, they'd have to agree that everything started at one point. Just like when you throw a grenade and it explodes, it was originally at one point

Bad analogy. The universe would be the grenade. There would be no you to throw it. The grenade just simply exists and blows up one day. The question to be asked is where the grenade comes from.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

The Big Bang is actually related to God creating the universe in my opinion. Creationist and religious people agree on one thing, and if you don't believe me watch Bill nyes debate with the religious dude, but if the Big Bang were rea, they'd have to agree that everything started at one point. Just like when you throw a grenade and it explodes, it was originally at one point

I would think so, in order to be the creator of all things you would most likely create that. I agree with that, that other stuff you were saying though I disagree with.

 

[Gerkak]

No, prior to the big bang all matter and energy existed as a Singularity. The Big Bang didn't create all matter and energy in the universe.

But the big bang is a contradiction. Simple geometry counters it.

Let us start with a 2 dimensional plane it has an area right?= Length*width

Then we have a 3d object it has area too= L.W but it also has volume which is Length*width*height.

So what is the volume of the 2d object? L.w.0 its hight is zero therefore its volume is zero and as such the 3d object has infinitely more volume then the 2d object even if the 2d object has an infinite area.

Back to the big bang, a singularity is a 0 dimensional point according to the standard model the universe has 3 dimensions + time making 4 in total. If this is the case a 0 dimensional object can never reach a 1d object interms of length no matter how much it expands based on the geometric rule, just as how a 2 d object with infinite area can never have volume equal to any 3d object.

Keeping this in mind the 0 dimensional object must expand to infinity to reach 1d let alone the rest but since the universe is said to be expanding it means it is finite and therefore contradicts this. The big bang is a mathematically hypothesis even the math that it is based on collapses on itself, things without proof have no business being considered scientific fact.

 

[BrillyMac]

Bad analogy. The universe would be the grenade. There would be no you to throw it. The grenade just simply exists and blows up one day. The question to be asked is where the grenade comes from.

The grenade comes from God. He also created himself one day just like the grenade blew up one day. See what I did there. I added the you logic God exists just as much if not more than the Big Bang. In my opinion if say he is the reason for the Big Bang. He is the thrower and that would be the best explanation. This further verifies God saying he's the creator of everything. He made the "grenade" and it exploded into everything. So it's not a bad analogy if you add God into the equation. The universe is logical, and random explosions and random "grenades" don't just pop up. Grenades are designed. This goes back to my previous point saying we know God created the universe because it was designed.

 

[Lrrrrr]

Random mutations? Please these are all assumptions has this ever been observed and measured in a lab? If there is proof scientists should be able to make life in a lab. The fact they haven't means there is no proof and as such this is still no more than a theory.

Also mutations have never produced positive results, just take a look at albinism which is a naturally occurring mutation.


Yes humans may have shared a common ancestor but the ape came first no?

You can't measure mutations in a lab since the mutations that took place long ago were natural, not man-made. And mutations aren't what you may think they are. They can be simple, like increased bone density or better resistance to certain things. And you must not know how life works if you think scientists can MAKE life. Making even a small organism is difficult, because the organism itself is a complex being. As for apes coming first, I'm not too sure if they did, but there is enough evidence to support the fact that humans and apes came from a common ancestor, due to the DNA similarity's.

 

[Lrrrrr]

Bad analogy. The universe would be the grenade. There would be no you to throw it. The grenade just simply exists and blows up one day. The question to be asked is where the grenade comes from.

A sun imploding on itself, just how black holes are made. As to how that came about, could just be a repeat. But the existence of life and how it came about is a very interesting question.