Hebi Sasuke vs 3T Itachi

[Forbidden Technique]

I miss the days where Itachi was wanked in every second thread. Now people say he loses to Hebi Sasuke smh.

Back when the base was real af. Now Yomi Numa one shots. :/

 

[KidGamer65]

Hahaha.

Itachi wins. Easily. In CQC (which is what this comes down to)

Edo/Healthy Itachi>Early EMS Sasuke>CM2 Sasuke>>3-Tomoe Sasuke.

Then throw in Itachi's clone feints, whether be clone or shadow clones and then throw in the fact that the majority of Sasuke's Ninjutsu are pointless to try here.

-Katon only helps if Itachi tries to match it. Evasion is the perfect route to take.
-Chidori only helps if he can actually tag him with it in CQC, and I'm pretty sure he already failed to do that to sick half blind pill popping just to stay alive without the intent to kill and trying to get killed Itachi.

Can't really think of any other jutsu that are worth mentioning.

 

[Haizaki]

Hahaha.

Itachi wins. Easily. In CQC (which is what this comes down to)

Edo/Healthy Itachi>Early EMS Sasuke>CM2 Sasuke>>3-Tomoe Sasuke.

Then throw in Itachi's clone feints, whether be clone or shadow clones and then throw in the fact that the majority of Sasuke's Ninjutsu are pointless to try here.

-Katon only helps if Itachi tries to match it. Evasion is the perfect route to take.
-Chidori only helps if he can actually tag him with it in CQC, and I'm pretty sure he already failed to do that to sick half blind pill popping just to stay alive without the intent to kill and trying to get killed Itachi.

Can't really think of any other jutsu that are worth mentioning.

Manda placed under a Genjutsu to fight for Sasuke? Sasuke's CM2 durability? Chider Nagashi to assist in a CQC matchup? Sasuke and Itachi never engaged in a CQC matchup from what I recall.

 

[KidGamer65]

Manda placed under a Genjutsu to fight for Sasuke? Sasuke's CM2 durability? Chider Nagashi to assist in a CQC matchup? Sasuke and Itachi never engaged in a CQC matchup from what I recall.

Lol forgot about summons. But Itachi can just cancel it out, then Manda would probably turn on Sasuke. CM2 durability is only strong in the wings. Every other part of his body isn't that durable thus Itachi easily penetrates with a Kunai. Chidori Nagashi would briefly stun him, but then a crow clone feint or something of that nature stops/lets him evade Sasuke's incoming "finisher" and then the match continues.

They never did, but:

-Itachi was matching KCM Naruto.
-Evaded a blindside attack from B.
-Played with B in the speed area.
-Countered his 7 swords dance far better than MS Sasuke did.
-Was reacting/moving just as fast, if not faster, than Early EMS Sasuke.

That is all enough to warrant Sasuke getting whooped by Itachi in a raw CQC encounter.

 

[Haizaki]

Lol forgot about summons. But Itachi can just cancel it out, then Manda would probably turn on Sasuke. CM2 durability is only strong in the wings. Every other part of his body isn't that durable thus Itachi easily penetrates with a Kunai. Chidori Nagashi would briefly stun him, but then a crow clone feint or something of that nature stops/lets him evade Sasuke's incoming "finisher" and then the match continues.

They never did, but:

-Itachi was matching KCM Naruto.
-Evaded a blindside attack from B.
-Played with B in the speed area.
-Countered his 7 swords dance far better than MS Sasuke did.
-Was reacting/moving just as fast, if not faster, than Early EMS Sasuke.

That is all enough to warrant Sasuke getting whooped by Itachi in a raw CQC encounter.

Points points...Though what if Sasuke doesn't actually need to put Manda in a Genjutsu considering he managed to sign a contract with the summon? Yes he had to in the Deidara situation but that could have been based on the fact that he wanted it to take a hit for him at that point. Plus he has this as well who could tank Deidara's explosives

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. I forgot to add Sasuke being able to release Snakes from his body at any point in time possibly catching Itachi slipping if he comes close for a CQC. This would bind him seeing as it could to Jugo in his CM state.

Regarding the clones saving him, won't Nagash completely surround Sasuke in the sense that the clone would be caught in it as well? Either that or the clone is left occupied by that summon I showed earlier.

I agree with the first 2 but Sasuke who fought B was said to be ill or weak so he wasn't at his best even though he managed to evade B's attack for a while. Why did you say he was moving as fast as Early EMS Sasuke?

 

[KidGamer65]

Points points...Though what if Sasuke doesn't actually need to put Manda in a Genjutsu considering he managed to sign a contract with the summon? Yes he had to in the Deidara situation but that could have been based on the fact that he wanted it to take a hit for him at that point. Plus he has this as well who could tank Deidara's explosives

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. I forgot to add Sasuke being able to release Snakes from his body at any point in time possibly catching Itachi slipping if he comes close for a CQC. This would bind him seeing as it could to Jugo in his CM state.

Regarding the clones saving him, won't Nagash completely surround Sasuke in the sense that the clone would be caught in it as well? Either that or the clone is left occupied by that summon I showed earlier.

I agree with the first 2 but Sasuke who fought B was said to be ill or weak so he wasn't at his best even though he managed to evade B's attack for a while. Why did you say he was moving as fast as Early EMS Sasuke?

Manda doesn't even obey Orochimaru unless he has sacrifices to offer, so there's no way he'll bend to Sasuke's will just like that. Though if he could then I don't see how Itachi would beat Sasuke and a boss summon. Though that ordinary snake summon isn't posing any threat here. Whether it be Genjutsu or Kunai/Shuriken to the eyeballs like he did against Nagato's summons, it gets beaten.

Snakes haven't shown anything to lead us to believe they can catch Itachi before he can evade.

Nagashi catches Itachi and Sasuke, then the clone itself comes into the fold and helps him. Or he can use Crow Clones, which just requires him to project his chakra toward the crows he normally has with him. No hand signs are necessary.

I shouldn't have said moving, more like reacting, which is the only form of speed out of reacting and moving that actually matters in CQC.

 

[Haizaki]

Manda doesn't even obey Orochimaru unless he has sacrifices to offer, so there's no way he'll bend to Sasuke's will just like that. Though if he could then I don't see how Itachi would beat Sasuke and a boss summon. Though that ordinary snake summon isn't posing any threat here. Whether it be Genjutsu or Kunai/Shuriken to the eyeballs like he did against Nagato's summons, it gets beaten.

Snakes haven't shown anything to lead us to believe they can catch Itachi before he can evade.

Nagashi catches Itachi and Sasuke, then the clone itself comes into the fold and helps him. Or he can use Crow Clones, which just requires him to project his chakra toward the crows he normally has with him. No hand signs are necessary.

I shouldn't have said moving, more like reacting, which is the only form of speed out of reacting and moving that actually matters in CQC.

I know but there are other things to consider:

1. With Manga intel, Itachi would most likely attack Manda first seeing as he has no intel on Manda's cooperation with Sasuke. It's natural that you kill who's attacking you first before going on to the one who summoned you if you decide to..Then again Manda can even cooperate then ask for something stupid afterwards like he asked Oro for the sacrifice.

2. In order to summon Manda, Sasuke has to sign a contract with Manda itself. Bottom Panel says it..Why would Manda sign a contract with that kid in the first place? There might be a reason to it tho

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There are indeed possibilities that Manda may cooperate and the ask for something afterwards...If not, he'll decide to kill the opposition first and the go for Sasuke later.

Well with Sasuke around, I doubt that snake would be a non factor seeing as Sasuke could use this as a form of distraction against his brother. As for Itachi being able to evade those tricks, I agree he can no doubt but if it comes off guard? with him not knowing about it(Manga intel)? Considering it comes of Sasuke's skin with no prep while they battle.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Lol forgot about summons. But Itachi can just cancel it out, then Manda would probably turn on Sasuke. CM2 durability is only strong in the wings. Every other part of his body isn't that durable thus Itachi easily penetrates with a Kunai. Chidori Nagashi would briefly stun him, but then a crow clone feint or something of that nature stops/lets him evade Sasuke's incoming "finisher" and then the match continues.

They never did, but:

-Itachi was matching KCM Naruto.
-Evaded a blindside attack from B.
-Played with B in the speed area.
-Countered his 7 swords dance far better than MS Sasuke did.
-Was reacting/moving just as fast, if not faster, than Early EMS Sasuke.

That is all enough to warrant Sasuke getting whooped by Itachi in a raw CQC encounter.

I never understood the 7 swords argument, these are the feats (Count the hit marks):

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Sasuke parried Bee about 17 times before he got overwhelmed, and we don't even know when he activated his sharingan as he started the fight without it:

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Itachi parries bee about 13 times, then decides to disengage:

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Also, Sasuke wasn't at his best in that fight:

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My point is this, Sasuke was arrogant as **** in that fight as evidenced by him, saying: "Yeah, I never thought we'd have this hard a time tho. He underestimated someone he had no intel on which was retarted." Instead of disengaging like Itachi and using another technique he stays in cqc, if Itachi did what Sasuke did he probably would of gotten overwhelmed as well. Itachi didn't do far better than MS Sasuke as that was 3tomoe Sasuke and honestly he didn't really do better than him at all.

 

[KidGamer65]

I know but there are other things to consider:

1. With Manga intel, Itachi would most likely attack Manda first seeing as he has no intel of Manda's cooperation with Sasuke. It's natural that you kill who's attacking you first before going on to the one who summoned you if you decide to..Then again Manda can even cooperate then ask for something stupid afterwards like he asked Oro for the sacrifice.

2. In order to summon Manda, Sasuke has to sign a contract with Manda itself. Bottom Panel says it..Why would Manda sign a contract with that kid in the first place? There might be a reason to it tho

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There are indeed possibilities that Manda may cooperate and the ask for something afterwards...If not, he'll decide to kill the opposition first and the go for Sasuke later.

Well with Sasuke around, I doubt that snake would be a non factor seeing as Sasuke could use this as a form of distraction against his brother. As for Itachi being able to evade those tricks, I agree he can no doubt but if it comes off guard? with him not knowing about it(Manga intel)? Considering it comes of Sasuke's skin with no prep while they battle.

1. Why would Itachi attack a boss summon head on when dealing with it's summoner is the option that makes the most sense? Especially Manda?

2. Sasuke got his contract from absorbing Orochimaru. Manda had nothing to do with it.

So there's no way Manda helps Sasuke fight against Itachi. Either he bails or he just kills Sasuke for summoning him in the first place. He has no reason to fight Itachi when Itachi isn't his opposition. Manda and Sasuke aren't on a team so Sasuke's enemy isn't Manda's enemy.

And Sasuke literally has nothing to offer Manda, and even if he did, Manda isn't going to help him first. Kabuto was worried that Manda would turn on Orochimaru on the spot if he realized he was powerless to control him. He's not even loyal to Oro let alone Sasuke.

Distraction to do what exactly? Itachi has clones for things like that regardless. Not to mention Itachi literally has intel on all of Sasuke's abilities in Manga canon as he knows that Sasuke absorbed Orochimaru, and he saw Sasuke protect himself from Kunai using snakes while they were fighting each other. There is no catching him off guard with an attack like this.

 

[KidGamer65]

I never understood the 7 swords argument, these are the feats (Count the hit marks):

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Sasuke parried Bee about 17 times before he got overwhelmed, and we don't even know when he activated his sharingan as he started the fight without it:

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Itachi parries bee about 13 times, then decides to disengage:

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Also, Sasuke wasn't at his best in that fight:

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My point is this, Sasuke was arrogant as **** in that fight as evidenced by him, saying: "Yeah, I never thought we'd have this hard a time tho. He underestimated someone he had no intel on which was retarted." Instead of disengaging like Itachi and using another technique he stays in cqc, if Itachi did what Sasuke did he probably would of gotten overwhelmed as well. Itachi didn't do far better than MS Sasuke as that was 3tomoe Sasuke and honestly he didn't really do better than him at all.

Sasuke staggered as he parried. Itachi's movements were far more solid and fluid. Sasuke used a blade. Itachi used a Kunai. Though you do have a point about him being injured, but is it to the extent where he will perform just as well as Itachi? Considering the aforementioned gap in speed and reactions......

I'm gonna go ahead and say no.

 

[Haizaki]

1. Why would Itachi attack a boss summon head on when dealing with it's summoner is the option that makes the most sense? Especially Manda?

2. Sasuke got his contract from absorbing Orochimaru. Manda had nothing to do with it.

So there's no way Manda helps Sasuke fight against Itachi. Either he bails or he just kills Sasuke for summoning him in the first place. He has no reason to fight Itachi when Itachi isn't his opposition. Manda and Sasuke aren't on a team so Sasuke's enemy isn't Manda's enemy.

And Sasuke literally has nothing to offer Manda, and even if he did, Manda isn't going to help him first. Kabuto was worried that Manda would turn on Orochimaru on the spot if he realized he was powerless to control him. He's not even loyal to Oro let alone Sasuke.

Distraction to do what exactly? Itachi has clones for things like that regardless. Not to mention Itachi literally has intel on all of Sasuke's abilities in Manga canon as he knows that Sasuke absorbed Orochimaru, and he saw Sasuke protect himself from Kunai using snakes while they were fighting each other. There is no catching him off guard with thean attack like this.

Okay..Well honestly don't have a standing point without Manda's cooperation and it seems it can be broken so Itachi does win in this scenario. However if there's a possibility that Manda cooperates, Sasuke wins then.

Btw, you know when you stated Nagash would stun him? In his CM state, won't that be Black Chidori which would be a stronger variant having a stronger effect on him?

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay..Well honestly don't have a standing point without Manda's cooperation and it seems it can be broken so Itachi does win in this scenario. However if there's a possibility that Manda cooperates, Sasuke wins then.

Btw, you know when you stated Nagash would stun him? In his CM state, won't that be Black Chidori which would be a stronger variant having a stronger effect on him?

Have no idea what it'd be like. Possibly, but even then it's irrelevant since a clone is what ends up saving Itachi in that situation, and it won't be affected by Nagashi as it will either be out of range beforehand, or be created after the stunning.

 

[Haizaki]

Have no idea what it'd be like. Possibly, but even then it's irrelevant since a clone is what ends up saving Itachi in that situation, and it won't be affected by Nagashi as it will either be out of range beforehand, or be created after the stunning.

What if Sasuke blitz the clone like he easily did before going to the hideout?

 

[itsxtrayy]

Sasuke staggered as he parried. Itachi's movements were far more solid and fluid. Sasuke used a blade. Itachi used a Kunai. Though you do have a point about him being injured, but is it to the extent where he will perform just as well as Itachi? Considering the aforementioned gap in speed and reactions......

I'm gonna go ahead and say no.

I agree with that, I just don't think the gap is as large as a lot of people like to believe. It's a combination of Sasuke hate and Itachi wank that somehow made people believe Itachi was just monstrously above Sasuke in cqc with a weapon.

 

[KidGamer65]

What if Sasuke blitz the clone like he easily did before going to the hideout?

1. Lol that clone wasn't meant to fight back. Highly highly highly doubt that Sasuke can blitz Itachi's clones, especially if it's a shadow clone instead of a crow clone, but that all depends on the situation.

2. Then he's done nothing but let Itachi recover from the Nagashi, then he proceeds to kick Sasuke's face in.

I agree with that, I just don't think the gap is as large as a lot of people like to believe. It's a combination of Sasuke hate and Itachi wank that somehow made people believe Itachi was just monstrously above Sasuke in cqc with a weapon.

When it comes to CQC with no Ninjutsu and just weapons, Itachi would dump all over a healthy MS Sasuke or Hebi Sasuke. The gap is pretty large, but that's not why. It's because Itachi's physical abilities are similar to a form of Sasuke that already surpasses his MS/Hebi self in all those categories.

-Reaction speed is >=Early EMS Sasuke, who is>MS/Hebi Sasuke.
-Movement speed is factually>MS Sasuke, and the gap isn't unnoticeable.
-Was parrying B just like Sasuke was, using a Kunai no less.
-Skill goes to Itachi too.

Is it some ridiculously large low diff gap? Nah. More like mid diff. But the gap is there. The only time the match becomes a low-mid diff is once we include Ninjutsu.

 

[Haizaki]

1. Lol that clone wasn't meant to fight back. Highly highly highly doubt that Sasuke can blitz Itachi's clones, especially if it's a shadow clone instead of a crow clone, but that all depends on the situation.

2. Then he's done nothing but let Itachi recover from the Nagashi, then he proceeds to kick Sasuke's face in.

LOL screw it haha.

 

[itsxtrayy]

1. Lol that clone wasn't meant to fight back. Highly highly highly doubt that Sasuke can blitz Itachi's clones, especially if it's a shadow clone instead of a crow clone, but that all depends on the situation.

2. Then he's done nothing but let Itachi recover from the Nagashi, then he proceeds to kick Sasuke's face in.



When it comes to CQC with no Ninjutsu and just weapons, Itachi would dump all over a healthy MS Sasuke or Hebi Sasuke. The gap is pretty large, but that's not why. It's because Itachi's physical abilities are similar to a form of Sasuke that already surpasses his MS/Hebi self in all those categories.

-Reaction speed is >=Early EMS Sasuke, who is>MS/Hebi Sasuke.
-Movement speed is factually>MS Sasuke, and the gap isn't unnoticeable.
-Was parrying B just like Sasuke was, using a Kunai no less.
-Skill goes to Itachi too.

Is it some ridiculously large low diff gap? Nah. More like mid diff. But the gap is there. The only time the match becomes a low-mid diff is once we include Ninjutsu.

Yeah, that's true, cause if we go by Madara regaining his full physical prowess after being revived its a hypothetical completely healthy Itachi>Edo Itachi>Sick Itachi in physical prowess.

So It'd probably be: Ems Sasuke>=Healthy Ms Itachi>Edo Itachi>Sick Itachi>MS/Hebi Sasuke and Down in physical's.

Hebi/MS Sasuke was pretty fast for his age, but he'd probably need to be about 20 or over before he surpassed Itachi in physicals without EMS.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yeah, that's true, cause if we go by Madara regaining his full physical prowess after being revived its a hypothetical completely healthy Itachi>Edo Itachi>Sick Itachi in physical prowess.

So It'd probably be: Ems Sasuke>=Healthy Ms Itachi>Edo Itachi>Sick Itachi>MS/Hebi Sasuke and Down in physical's.

Hebi/MS Sasuke was pretty fast for his age, but he'd probably need to be about 20 or over before he surpassed Itachi in physicals without EMS.

Assuming that Madara's case applies for Itachi too, I can pretty much agree with this.

Agreed. Sasuke at the same age would be pretty much better than Itachi in all areas of physical ability IMO.

 

[Unorthodox]

Itachi's healthy skillset is so far beyond Hebi Sasuke that this isn't even much of a match, until Sasuke enters CM2 - which he can't even hold for long.
Itachi shits.

CM1 is enough then add his summonings pretty sure Itachi is not shitting on anyone here then there is no counter to Kirin NB4 it never happens Lol.

Lol wtf are these replies. Itachi is so far beyond Sasuke with the healthy stipulation it's not even funny. He was fighting Sasuke half-blind with intent to help Sasuke instead of kill him. Healthy/Edo Itachi with intent to kill (while being controlled mind you) was fighting KCM Naruto and Bee simultaneously, this isn't even comparable. Itachi shits

^ These guys Lol.

Sasuke wins this no more than med difficulty

Itachi only has Base 3 tomoe Sasuke in CQC any curse enhancements easily sways the fight in Sasuke's favor pitting him above the latter in the only area he had the advantage in. Kunai laced with ration > Itachi's Chidori varients also puts Itachi to shame. Do i need to discuss Kirin?

@ Itachi vs Killerbee he backed out where as Sasuke engaged Killerbee and the only reason bee even stuck Sasuke with all those Blades is because he surprised him with his own ration that Sasuke did not think Killerbee had at the time.

Edo/Healthy Itachi>Early EMS Sasuke

NOOOOOOOOO! Lol

 

[Forbidden Technique]

CM1 is enough then add his summonings pretty sure Itachi is not shitting on anyone here then there is no counter to Kirin NB4 it never happens Lol.

Yeah, if you tie both Itachi's arms behind his back and make him wear Lee's weights then maybe CM1 and summonings become serviceable.