TEAM MS vs Gokage.

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Location - Madara vs Gokage
Distance - 65m
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Conditions - This is MS Obito (1eye) MS Madara (with gunbai susanoo up to v4) MS Sasuke after danzo fight. Healthy Itachi.

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Gokage wins. It's just a process of breaking through 3 individual Susanoos and tagging Obito.
 

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Dumb thread. You already know team MS wins because of Obitos presence come on now man you'll need to get creative to make this fight balanced because with Obito team MS stomps. Without Obito, they get stomped.

Not to mention at least 2 of them know Izanagi and since Itachi used Izanami, I'll go ahead a assume he could use Izanagi too as a last resort so thats 3 Izanagi, one of which lasts several minutes (Obitos).
 
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Gokage wins. It's just a process of breaking through 3 individual Susanoos and tagging Obito.

Countering genjutsu, Kage bushin, Amaterasu, Susanoo arrows, Kamui warping, Mokuton, Summonings, You'd have to be a fool to think that destroying susanoo would be securing victory.
 

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Countering genjutsu, Kage bushin, Amaterasu, Susanoo arrows, Kamui warping, Mokuton, Summonings, You'd have to be a fool to think that destroying susanoo would be securing victory.

Stop it the only factors in this fight is Kamui and Izanagi. Everything else you mentioned poses zero threat whatsoever.
 

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Obito and Madara stomp them already.
 

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Stop it the only factors in this fight is Kamui and Izanagi. Everything else you mentioned poses zero threat whatsoever.

Please stop.

Amaterasu can 1 shot everyone bar Ei. and if Gaara is not protecting Tsunade at all times she gets killed meaning no super jinton. Multi Bushin from Madara easily stops a blitz from Ei weighted or amaterasu could cut off his path Clones using super katon preps Kirin Sasuke also has his hawk.

Pretty sure Kamui is not the only factor.
 

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Please stop.

Amaterasu can 1 shot everyone bar Ei. and if Gaara is not protecting Tsunade at all times she gets killed meaning no super jinton. Multi Bushin from Madara easily stops a blitz from Ei weighted or amaterasu could cut off his path Clones using super katon preps Kirin Sasuke also has his hawk.

Pretty sure Kamui is not the only factor.

>Makes distance 65m
>and Intel full
>and says Amaterasu one shots.

Did you not understand your own stipulations YOU made?

It's funny because with Intel full you'll assume team MS will do everything they can to prep and counter Gokage but Team Gokage won't do the same.
 

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Countering genjutsu, Kage bushin, Amaterasu, Susanoo arrows, Kamui warping, Mokuton, Summonings, You'd have to be a fool to think that destroying susanoo would be securing victory.

-They are never landing genjutsu on Ay/Onoki.
-Gaara counters visual genjutsu with sand sensing.
-Mei counters visual genjutsu with hidden mist.
-Tsunade keeps a Katsuyu clone on her shoulder to break her out if she gets caught.

Madara splitting up his chakra between clones just makes his Susanoo weaker and easier to destroy as the Gokage can divide and conquer.

Sasuke won't be able to detect his opponents through a double screen of sand and mist, so he can't hit them with Susanoo arrows.

Ay shitblitzes Obito if he attempts a kamui warp, and sensor sand can force Obito to remain intangible similar to how Konan's papers did.

Obito's mokuton is fodder.

Summonings get blitzed by lightened Ay.

Please explain to me how team Uchiha would actually win this.
 

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>Makes distance 65m
>and Intel full
>and says Amaterasu one shots.
Did you not understand your own stipulations YOU made?
It's funny because with Intel full you'll assume team MS will do everything they can to prep and counter Gokage but Team Gokage won't do the same.

Having knowledge does not mean your not getting one shotted period. What could the Gokage do as prep?

-They are never landing genjutsu on Ay/Onoki.

I hope your talking about as a combo because by they're lonely they're getting tagged period.

Madara already reacted to Ei while in his edo form being alive makes him stronger and faster so Ay his lonely is not blitzing the latter especially when a ribcage is enough to counter his whole offensive arsenal split or not.

Gaara counters visual genjutsu with sand sensing.

Gaara is not able to fight on pure sensory alone he is no Kabuto and they would have to be in his sand for him to sense him the sand gets vaporized.

Mei counters visual genjutsu with hidden mist.

Must be joking Madara and Obito katons alone are far larger than any mist she could put up together alongside Madara's bushin they're katons vaporizes the mist.

Tsunade keeps a Katsuyu clone on her shoulder to break her out if she gets caught.

Katsuya can be genjutsu to she has eyes and with her being so close to tsunade (On her shoulder) she gets took out to.

Madara splitting up his chakra between clones just makes his Susanoo weaker and easier to destroy as the Gokage can divide and conquer.

No one bar Ei/Onoki combo and tsunade is getting past a clone using ribcage. Tsunade is to slow she gets owned then genjutsu or just blitz period. Ei and Onoki combo becomes useless if Sasuke decides to cast his amaterasu/enton over a ribcage meaning they're punch is only good for a single shot. Since they cannot decide which is the real one they're sitting ducks. Divide and conquer please Sasuke would destroy Gaara susanoo arrows would plow his sand defense add all the katon being thrown around by Obito/Madara w/bushins Kirin is definitely happening.

Sasuke won't be able to detect his opponents through a double screen of sand and mist, so he can't hit them with Susanoo arrows.

The mist gets vaporized and the sand is turned to ash by the juubi size katons.

Ay shitblitzes Obito if he attempts a kamui warp, and sensor sand can force Obito to remain intangible similar to how Konan's papers did.

Sensor sand cannot force him to do anything in by the time Gaara yells he's turned solid his opponent is already warped and stabbed up with Mokuton spikes so irrelevant. Add the fact Obito can react to Ei because Early MS Sasuke reacted to his slap by throwing Enton over his susanoo. Obito manhandles Ei. Sand is destroyed by his katon simple as that.

Obito's mokuton is fodder.

Nope instead of warping his opponents a mokuton spike stab would suffice.

Summonings get blitzed by lightened Ay.

Did not know Lightened Ay could punch a hawk out the sky and if he takes to the sky he's a sitting duck for amaterasu.

Please explain to me how team Uchiha would actually win this.

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Uchiha's mid diff lmao.
 

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Why is Unorthodox associating Edo Madara's feats to MS Madara?
 

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I hope your talking about as a combo because by they're lonely they're getting tagged period.

Madara already reacted to Ei while in his edo form being alive makes him stronger and faster so Ay his lonely is not blitzing the latter especially when a ribcage is enough to counter his whole offensive arsenal split or not.

Yes I meant as a combo. You went full retard when you said a ribcage is enough to counter their arsenal when Ay's weighted punch one shotted V2 Susanoo in canon.

Gaara is not able to fight on pure sensory alone he is no Kabuto and they would have to be in his sand for him to sense him the sand gets vaporized.

He was fighting invisible Muu with only sensor sand, and can spread out the sand for miles in every direction.

Must be joking Madara and Obito katons alone are far larger than any mist she could put up together alongside Madara's bushin they're katons vaporizes the mist.

And then the Katons get countered by a Tsunade enhanced Suiton from Mei. You done?

Katsuya can be genjutsu to she has eyes and with her being so close to tsunade (On her shoulder) she gets took out to.

Except Katsuyu won't be fighting any opponents, so she has no reason to look into their eyes.

No one bar Ei/Onoki combo and tsunade is getting past a clone using ribcage. Tsunade is to slow she gets owned then genjutsu or just blitz period. Ei and Onoki combo becomes useless if Sasuke decides to cast his amaterasu/enton over a ribcage meaning they're punch is only good for a single shot. Since they cannot decide which is the real one they're sitting ducks. Divide and conquer please Sasuke would destroy Gaara susanoo arrows would plow his sand defense add all the katon being thrown around by Obito/Madara w/bushins Kirin is definitely happening.

Lol, you act like the kages are going to be fighting independantly instead of covering each other's backs. They have multiple means to get past Susanoo, saying ribcage will suffice is nonsense.

-Gaara can whip them out of Susanoo using the sand at their feet.
-Onoki can turn it to dust with Jinton while Gaara's sand+hidden mist prevents them from taking him out while he preps Jinton. If Tsunade enhances the Jinton, it could take out 2-3 members of the team at once.
-Multiple hits from Ay's heavy punches will destroy Susanoo. Only Sasuke has the ability to cast enton over his Susanoo.

Kirin is countered by Onoki flying above the storm clouds and destroying them with Jinton while in the meantime he substitutes himself with a rock clone on Ay's back.

The mist gets vaporized and the sand is turned to ash by the juubi size katons.

Katons can be countered with suiton or Jinton. Tsunade would tank, Ay would dodge, Gaara would block.

Sensor sand cannot force him to do anything in by the time Gaara yells he's turned solid his opponent is already warped and stabbed up with Mokuton spikes so irrelevant. Add the fact Obito can react to Ei because Early MS Sasuke reacted to his slap by throwing Enton over his susanoo. Obito manhandles Ei. Sand is destroyed by his katon simple as that.

Funny how you were supporting Gaara in a Gaara vs Obito thread. Obito reacting to lightened Ay is hilarious when Edo Madara couldn't react to him and he's beyond KCM Naruto's level of speed.

Nope instead of warping his opponents a mokuton spike stab would suffice.

Gaara enveloping the area with sand dust prevents Obito from materializing to attack, and if he does somehow materialize Ay would blitz.

Did not know Lightened Ay could punch a hawk out the sky and if he takes to the sky he's a sitting duck for amaterasu.

He can travel enormous distances when lightened because he has no gravity to slow down his momentum. Add to this the fact that Gaara can snag the bird with sand and crush its wing, causing it to fall to the ground.

Just did and great detail to.

That was my last reply to you. I don't argue with fanboys.
 

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Let's hear counters for;

-Large Susano arrow. We've seen much weaker Magatama's from a v2 Susano pierce right through Gaara's defence and then crack Onoki's golem. A large v4 Susano arrow is not being stopped by such a defence, so I'd like to see someone propose a counter for it.

-Itachi's Crow Genjutsu, his crow has used 3T Genjutsu in the past on Naruto. Same thing happens here on anyone and that person dies seeing how nobody will notice it to get him out of it (Amaterasu from Sasuke kills that person off immediately, Sharingan allows him to realise Genjutsu occurred).

-Obito and Madara both unleashing their massive Katon's from different directions. Sasuke or Itachi uses Amaterasu to enhance that Katon similar to what Itachi did . Bye bye any enhanced Suiton and defence and goodbye Gokage.

-While we're at it, let's hear how the Uchiha's spreading this into a 1v1 1v1 1v1 1v2 won't make this an easy ass match (similar to how Kakuzu and Hidan were separated). Obito's opponent easily gets warped regardless of who it is and he could then join any team and help, in exception of Ay who can be countered via confining the space of movement to a small Katon barrier. Onoki being on his shoulders is the only thing that would make Obito incapable of warping, but then Madara wins vs any of the 3 others (or any of them at all for that matter) Itachi wins vs any of the 3 (or any of the others) and Sasuke wins vs any of the three (or any of the others). Genuinely can't see how this is even being argued.

-4 top Uchiha's forcing Genjutsu.
 
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Let's hear counters for;

-Large Susano arrow. We've seen much weaker Magatama's from a v2 Susano pierce right through Gaara's defence and then crack Onoki's golem. A large v4 Susano arrow is not being stopped by such a defence, so I'd like to see someone propose a counter for it.

How would Sasuke know where to aim it through the mist and sand obscuring his vision?

-Itachi's Crow Genjutsu, his crow has used 3T Genjutsu in the past on Naruto. Same thing happens here on anyone and that person dies seeing how nobody will notice it to get him out of it (Amaterasu from Sasuke kills that person off immediately, Sharingan allows him to realise Genjutsu occurred).

His crow used 3t genjutsu on base Naruto who stupidly rushed in...as long as none of the gokage look into the crow's eyes, they won't get caught, and the mist + sand screens them from visual eye contact as well as Amaterasu. How exactly are you proposing that Itachi sets them up to get caught?

-Obito and Madara both unleashing their massive Katon's from different directions. Sasuke or Itachi uses Amaterasu to enhance that Katon similar to what Itachi did . Bye bye any enhanced Suiton and defence and goodbye Gokage.

Those katons were tanked by fodders with kyubi cloaks. Lightened Ay dodges and Gaara protects the rest of the team with his sand. Amaterasu doesn't change anything since it doesn't increase the destructive power of those katons.

Also if they use it from two different directions, Mei's suiton enhanced by Byakogou blocks one of the katons while Jinton from Onoki blocks the other. I think you underestimate the size Mei's suiton would be when enhanced by Tsunade. Jinton became massive when she enhanced it, and Sakura boosted Obito's kamui so much that it was able to make it to one of Kaguya's far away dimensions- even with all his own chakra+the chakra from RSM Naruto's clone, Obito still needed Sakura's help to make

-While we're at it, let's hear how the Uchiha's spreading this into a 1v1 1v1 1v1 1v2 won't make this an easy ass match (similar to how Kakuzu and Hidan were separated). Obito's opponent easily gets warped regardless of who it is and he could then join any team and help, in exception of Ay who can be countered via confining the space of movement to a small Katon barrier. Onoki being on his shoulders is the only thing that would make Obito incapable of warping, but then Madara wins vs any of the 3 others (or any of them at all for that matter) Itachi wins vs any of the 3 (or any of the others) and Sasuke wins vs any of the three (or any of the others). Genuinely can't see how this is even being argued.

Except the Gokage won't let themselves be seperated so easily. Literally, all they have to do to win is for Gaara to turn the battlefield into a desert, Onoki lightens the sand, then Itachi, Madara, and Sasuke all get whipped out of Susanoo and blitzed by Ay. Obito is gang banged after they're dead.

-4 top Uchiha's forcing Genjutsu.

Not as easy to force genjutsu as you might think.
 

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How would Sasuke know where to aim it through the mist and sand obscuring his vision?

Mei's Mist barely obscures vision in the first place. It's somewhat effective in the beginning but we seemingly realise it's not even present several minutes into the battle . Even in the very beginning it doesn't obscure vision by too much , so a Susano arrow is in no way out of question. Plus, massive Katon easily evaporates all the water droplets in the fog, and vision would be completely clear for Sasuke's Susano Arrow to be fired. At that very moment they'd need a defence, one which they don't have.

His crow used 3t genjutsu on base Naruto who stupidly rushed in...as long as none of the gokage look into the crow's eyes, they won't get caught, and the mist + sand screens them from visual eye contact as well as Amaterasu. How exactly are you proposing that Itachi sets them up to get caught?

Itachi summons 50 crows to flock the Gokage, 10 on each, they're going to close their eyes to prevent the Crow from going right into their eye sight? Yea, no. Not how it works, they won't know which one has the Sharingan and they won't be able to prevent the Genjutsu unless they close their eyes. Gaara and Tsunade would be completely prone to the Genjutsu, they are easy targets and once they're in the Genjutsu a follow up like Susano arrow or Amaterasu is easily ending them. Not sure what sand screens you're talking about, but Gaara has never used any sand screens fyi.

Those katons were tanked by fodders with kyubi cloaks. Lightened Ay dodges and Gaara protects the rest of the team with his sand. Amaterasu doesn't change anything since it doesn't increase the destructive power of those katons.
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Fodders with Kyuubi cloak doesn't change the strength of the Kyuubi cloak. Hashirama with a Kyuubi cloak still has the same durability so your attempt to undermine its durability is ridiculous. Anyways, this is pretty much going right into the hands of the Uchiha. The Mist disappears once the Katon is used via evaporation and the Gokage thus have absolutely no LoS. On the other hand, the Uchiha can see the Gokage just fine with their Sharingan that sees right through the sand. Gaara has 0 reason to use an absurdly thick sand when all he's doing is blocking the Katon with the heat resistant properties of his sand, no reason for him to waste chakra on extra sand. Sasuke sends out a large Susano arrow right through the sand and kills Gaara or Mei. Obito has the ability to warp behind any of them since he can see them via Sharingan, and they won't realise it. Gaara's shield is the reason they block the Katon (given it's enhanceable by Amaterasu in the case Mei whips out Suiton) but also the reason they lose. Counter this strategy.

Also if they use it from two different directions, Mei's suiton enhanced by Byakogou blocks one of the katons while Jinton from Onoki blocks the other. I think you underestimate the size Mei's suiton would be when enhanced by Tsunade. Jinton became massive when she enhanced it, and Sakura boosted Obito's kamui so much that it was able to make it to one of Kaguya's far away dimensions- even with all his own chakra+the chakra from RSM Naruto's clone, Obito still needed Sakura's help to make

This would require Tsunade to know a massive Katon is coming from beforehand, which obviously isn't the case . No Suiton enhanced by Tsunade will be happening unless the user is yelling out that they are about to use a massive Katon. Jinton as well, there's no way Onoki can react to a large Katon from 10 meters with a Jinton. Not a chance since he can't even see the hand seals being formed.

Except the Gokage won't let themselves be seperated so easily. Literally, all they have to do to win is for Gaara to turn the battlefield into a desert, Onoki lightens the sand, then Itachi, Madara, and Sasuke all get whipped out of Susanoo and blitzed by Ay. Obito is gang banged after they're dead.

Good thing that would never happen seeing how Itachi's Yata Mirror cannot be grabbed, Sasuke's Chidori Nagashi negates it, and Obito would be more then capable of helping out Madara with his Kamui's absurd speed.

Not as easy to force genjutsu as you might think.

Crow does it just fine. Plus, Madara was capable of forcing Genjutsu 1v5. Sure he's much stronger in Edo, doesn't change the fact that he didn't accomplish it using any EMS techs though. Plus, Itachi is better at Genjutsu. Then add in the fact there's 4 instead of 1 Genjutsu users and I see no reason as to how the Gokage avoid it.
 

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Why is Unorthodox associating Edo Madara's feats to MS Madara?

What feat please tell me? NB4 his Katon since when does Hashirama senju dna boost the size of an attack?

Yes I meant as a combo. You went full retard when you said a ribcage is enough to counter their arsenal when Ay's weighted punch one shotted V2 Susanoo in canon.

No you went full retard when you based this post off the fact that you though i was talking about lightened Ei, Especially when i said Ei by his lonely now stfu and let a boss go to work.

He was fighting invisible Muu with only sensor sand, and can spread out the sand for miles in every direction.

And how well did that go also Gaara has never spreaded his sand for miles and even if he could their katons only need to destroy the sand that surrounds them so him spreading it for miles is irrelevant then add the fact everyone here has a sharingan and would see when the sand is near them no matter how small ( ) Meaning sensory sand is not a factor nor is he going to be using it at all in this battlefield.

And then the Katons get countered by a Tsunade enhanced Suiton from Mei. You done?

I Guess you thought this was a counter huh? Hell Naw! (Bishop bullwinkle) Tsunade is not making a suiton anywhere the size of the juubi period. Super Jinton was half the size of unstabilized PS which is smaller than PS and Juubi towers over that meaning that Suiton gets put out then add the fact Madara has bushin to shoot multiply or obito can simply slip behind them and blast them from the back. Super suiton is not a counter by any means and is this happening before or after Tsunade is one shotted?

Except Katsuyu won't be fighting any opponents, so she has no reason to look into their eyes.

Makes zero sense because she not engaging in battle she close her eyes? Katsuya would need to see the battlefield like any other opponent out here and if the can get a genjutsu in they most likely can get another 1 shotter tech in as well and Keeping tsunade afloat is cool because she's the weakest thing in the battlefield but best believe she will not be aiding anyone here as well.

Lol, you act like the kages are going to be fighting independantly instead of covering each other's backs. They have multiple means to get past Susanoo, saying ribcage will suffice is nonsense.

They do have means to get past it with combos that need 2 people at a time to execute so no none of them on they're own is getting past a ribcage soundly jinton is to slow the uchiha bros takes him out easy before it happens. Completely useless against Obito no explanation needed Madara could absorb it or just dodge simple as that. Mei useless, Tsunade useless, Gaara useless,

Gaara can whip them out of Susanoo using the sand at their feet.

Only when they're using susanoo's above ribcage level which is not needed mostly add the fact they can float in they're susanoo making the feet trick useless. And what's stop them from smacking the sand away or attacking him when he's attacking them? While in they're ribcages they can easily outpace that sand which Joki boy had no problem doing

Madara's speed > Itachi's speed > Sasuke's speed > Joki boy's.

Onoki can turn it to dust with Jinton while Gaara's sand+hidden mist prevents them from taking him out while he preps Jinton. If Tsunade enhances the Jinton, it could take out 2-3 members of the team at once.
Multiple hits from Ay's heavy punches will destroy Susanoo. Only Sasuke has the ability to cast enton over his Susanoo.

Having full intel almost makes it positive for them not use any v1+ Hidden mist + sand shit never happens so give it up on that shit also how would that blind them from jinton? When jinton will have a difference chakra signature than the mist and the sand nb4 jabbing sand nonsense im pretty sure it has to cover what ever its trying to hide and jinton would vaporize everything in its path meaning that's not going to work.

Tsunade is never doing that without them knowing Obito could easily attack them from below with his Mokuton as well.
Onoki would need to be on Ei's back while he's lightened to destroy the susanoo meaning no super jinton,lightened sand, etc and his bushin have not shown the feat so they're useless. What stops them from touching his susanoo and spreading it around or simply running through a wall of amaterasu catching fire to they're ribcage? Then add the fact he made enton out right jump up at Gaara once stops him from doing that here?

Kirin is countered by Onoki flying above the storm clouds and destroying them with Jinton while in the meantime he substitutes himself with a rock clone on Ay's back.

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Bruhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Lmao. How do you destroy clouds? especially since they're going to keep gathering since its not getting any warmer with Amaterasu everyone and Juubi size Katons being fired like its nothing do you even know what storm clouds look like?

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To large, jinton is to skinny to do anything and how does he know when to try to destroy the clouds? Because Sasuke can decide to let Kirin off when he chooses im pretty sure i destroyed the shit out of this dumb ass argument Commercial break please.

What feats does his rock clones have suggesting they could do such a thing?

Katons can be countered with suiton or Jinton. Tsunade would tank, Ay would dodge, Gaara would block.

Mei's suiton enhanced or not gets overpowered explained above, Jinton protects Onoki but the mist is still vaporized so moot. Tsunade is not tanking shit with the Uchiha could have they're tools inside the katons chopping her up. Gaara would ofc need to block but with so much heat his offensive sand gets turned to ash.

Funny how you were supporting Gaara in a Gaara vs Obito thread. Obito reacting to lightened Ay is hilarious when Edo Madara couldn't react to him and he's beyond KCM Naruto's level of speed.

Funny how me supporting Gaara = him being able to > Obito no so your dumb for bringing it up and i said by the times Gaara yells he solid Obito opponent is dead why because Obito is not attacking Gaara head on but most likely the latters Mei/Tsunade/Onoki/Ei so you trying to show my bias just made you look dumb Burroh. Clearly was not talking about lightened and the reference i gave about Sasuke reacting to V2 Ei with MS thus Obito would should have made that clear as day. Madara was looking dead at them hell even Mu jump in the way to stop them from attacking meaning it was not that fast. Obito was able to smack back Madara's Gudo damas which is a physically reaction and was even implied he could go ghost mode against Gudo damas which was faster than a Kamui warp. Using KMC Naruto is pathetic Obito Owned Multiply KMC Clones with ease.

Gaara enveloping the area with sand dust prevents Obito from materializing to attack, and if he does somehow materialize Ay would blitz.

Katons counters once again or a susanoo arrow plows right through his chest Gaara is not going to be covered up 24/7 which he will need to be unless he wants a susanoo arrow to the chest.

He can travel enormous distances when lightened because he has no gravity to slow down his momentum. Add to this the fact that Gaara can snag the bird with sand and crush its wing, causing it to fall to the ground.

That's him on foot he's moving know where near that fast why flying period. Yes Because who's even on the bird is just going to let it get snatched up? Susanoo hand which is far larger than a human .

That was my last reply to you. I don't argue with fanboys.

In otherwords you knew your shitty arguments would not hold up so instead of keeping your cool you revert to the classic (Not going to intertain trolls etc) Gtfoh beans you knew what it was when you replying so do not trying to make this about someone fanboying for there favorite characters especially since your a Gokage fan.
 

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You were also saying alive MS Madara>Edo Madara in strength and speed. smh
 

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Team Uchiha wrecks them neg diff.

Madara's V4 could solo, assuming he get the same V4 feats as in the Hashirama fight in this MS form

If not, then team Uchiha still neg diffs, too many OP Characters
 
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