If Naruto didn't become Jinchuuriki at birth?

[ANiMUS]

That is not what I said read it again, what I said was the marker is not the jutsu. Minato creating a different marker is nothing special since it isn't the marker that makes the jutsu, the marker is there to specify the location he wants to got to. Minato likely learned the technique from a scroll it's not as impressive as you are making out to be.



Where did you get this from? What source? Even if you are right that means you are saying that naruto's CC>>> minato's. CC is technical and a requirement for genjutsu, you said naruto wasn't that kind of shinobi if naruto wasn't that kind of shinobi why would he have better CC than minato who is that kind of shinobi? You keep contradicting yourself. :|



He can, can he? In what? Naruto has better rasengan, FRS and bijuu dama. The only thing you have is an assumption that you failed to support, besides FTG minato's ninjutsu is inferior to naruto's. :|

Ok first if FTG is based on summoning then it really is the seal that is important seeing how even a child can use summoning as long as they have signed the contract and have the chakra to pull it off. :|

Saying the markers are unimportant is like saying the contract or the lines that appear under a person's hand when summoning are unimportant.

Second what is FRS except CC???

Also saying Naruto because he excels in CC shouldn't have any problems with seals or FTG is like saying some good with a knife would be an excellent surgeon.

There are different ways to apply chakra control and seals, medical jutsu, and genjutsu are a lot more intrinsic than anything Naruto has shown.

Jiraiya himself stated that genjutsu was for more intellectual types and that it didn't suit Naruto even though Naruto learned rasengan which uses high level chakra control


Also sorry for the delay. I am at work and am SUPER busy. I will answer ur reply later

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Naruto would be a true Uzumaki if he never had Kurama. Cause his parents would be alive. His mother would be able to teach him some Uzumaki seals. He would pick up his father's fighting style to. If Jiriyia was to come around Naruto would learn Sage mode. He would easily be a Kage level shonobi without Kurama.

^ This

 

[Gerkak]

Ok first if FTG is based on summoning then it really is the seal that is important seeing how even a child can use summoning as long as they have signed the contract and have the chakra to pull it off. :|

You still don't understand. Something being based on another does not make them the same, nowhere in my post did I say that FTG is the same as summoning jutsu. FTG is more refined and speciallized than summoning, the way it works exactly is unknown but the DB said it was based on the summoning jutsu. The marking isn't important because minato doesn't always use it to use FTG he can FTG what ever has his chakra or is in connection with his chakra. The marking just contains his chakra so he can specify location. Understand?

Second what is FRS except CC???

That's like saying what is any jutsu except CC. Besides FTG was never listed as fuinjutsu that is another assumption on your part.

Also saying Naruto because he excels in CC shouldn't have any problems with seals or FTG is like saying some good with a knife would be an excellent surgeon.

FTG was never said to be a fuinjutsu it is purely ninjutsu so yes naruto excelling in ninjutsu means he could learn FTG unless shown otherwise. Like I said before besides FTG naruto's ninjutsu is more impressive than minato's

There are different ways to apply chakra control and seals, medical jutsu, and genjutsu are a lot more intrinsic than anything Naruto has shown.

Intrinsic:belonging naturally; essential.

I don't know why you are bringing genjutsu and medical ninjutsu which minato never showed, are these more of your assumptions? I'll say it a third time, FTG isn't fuinjutsu you have no reason to bring that here.

Jiraiya himself stated that genjutsu was for more intellectual types and that it didn't suit Naruto even though Naruto learned rasengan which uses high level chakra control

That has no meaning here neither minato nor naruto have shown any aptitude for genjutsu so this is pointless, and for the fourth time FTG is ninjutsu which naruto is more impressive in than minato. Do you have more? :lol

 

[ANiMUS]

You still don't understand. Something being based on another does not make them the same, nowhere in my post did I say that FTG is the same as summoning jutsu. FTG is more refined and speciallized than summoning, the way it works exactly is unknown but the DB said it was based on the summoning jutsu. The marking isn't important because minato doesn't always use it to use FTG he can FTG what ever has his chakra or is in connection with his chakra. The marking just contains his chakra so he can specify location. Understand?




That's like saying what is any jutsu except CC. Besides FTG was never listed as fuinjutsu that is another assumption on your part.



FTG was never said to be a fuinjutsu it is purely ninjutsu so yes naruto excelling in ninjutsu means he could learn FTG unless shown otherwise. Like I said before besides FTG naruto's ninjutsu is more impressive than minato's



Intrinsic:belonging naturally; essential.

I don't know why you are bringing genjutsu and medical ninjutsu which minato never showed, are these more of your assumptions? I'll say it a third time, FTG isn't fuinjutsu you have no reason to bring that here.



That has no meaning here neither minato nor naruto have shown any aptitude for genjutsu so this is pointless, and for the fourth time FTG is ninjutsu which naruto is more impressive in than minato. Do you have more? :lol

Ok FTG isn't Fuinjutsu.

Yet all of Naruto's ninjutsu with the exception of shadow clones rely on a single form of shape manipulation and the mixing of elemental natures. Name one jutsu that Naruto has used prior to RSM which is as refined as FTG and is another rendition of rasengan :|

Also thought that word meant something else. Just sub intrinsic for complex

 

[lndra]

^Maybe him mastering Sage Mode unlike Minato and Jiraiya?

Anyway I think FRS is more shape manipulation. It's basically elementally and spatially composing your chakra at the same time (which in example is like Chidori), but on a much, much higher scale.

The reason why Kakashi made the Chidori was because he couldn't apply an element to his Rasengan, namely Lightning.

 

[To Whatever]

His mother would be ****ing OP.

Bijuu Mode Kushina confirmed.

 

[ANiMUS]

^Maybe him mastering Sage Mode unlike Minato and Jiraiya?

Anyway I think FRS is more shape manipulation. It's basically elementally and spatially composing your chakra at the same time (which in example is like Chidori), but on a much, much higher scale.

The reason why Kakashi made the Chidori was because he couldn't apply an element to his Rasengan, namely Lightning.

Is SM even considered a ninjutsu? :|

Anyway I wouldn't call that more refined just really hard to do

 

[Gerkak]

Ok FTG isn't Fuinjutsu.

Yet all of Naruto's ninjutsu with the exception of shadow clones rely on a single form of shape manipulation and the mixing of elemental natures. Name one jutsu that Naruto has used prior to RSM which is as refined as FTG and is another rendition of rasengan :|

Lol can you name minato's ninjutsu? Let's see we have rasengan, shadow clones, FTG and chakra transfer technique. Naruto is better than minato in 3 out of 4 of these jutsu minato has shown on his own. You act as if minato has hundreds of jutsu or something, Naruto is clearly better in all the jutsu they share.

My point is clear naruto's ninjutsu is more impressive, you have failed to show me how me how minato is superior in ninjutsu. Refined as FTG? FRS isn't rasengan variation it is a new technique based on rasengan. You seem to look down on it. FRS like I said is something minato could never achieve, since we have confirmed that FTG is purely ninjutsu how can naruto who is better at ninjutsu not learn it? Unless the manga states he can't for whatever reason you have no point.

 

[lndra]

Is SM even considered a ninjutsu? :|

Anyway I wouldn't call that more refined just really hard to do

You must be registered for see images

 

[ANiMUS]

Lol can you name minato's ninjutsu? Let's see we have rasengan, shadow clones, FTG and chakra transfer technique. Naruto is better than minato in 3 out of 4 of these jutsu minato has shown on his own. You act as if minato has hundreds of jutsu or something, Naruto is clearly better in all the jutsu they share.

My point is clear naruto's ninjutsu is more impressive, you have failed to show me how me how minato is superior in ninjutsu. Refined as FTG? FRS isn't rasengan variation it is a new technique based on rasengan. You seem to look down on it. FRS like I said is something minato could never achieve, since we have confirmed that FTG is purely ninjutsu how can naruto who is better at ninjutsu not learn it? Unless the manga states he can't for whatever reason you have no point.

I simply see FRS for what it is. :| rasengan with the addition of the wind element.

Being adapted from rasengan means it just shares the same principles. That's y I stated that FRS just a variation, it is just an adaptation that Naruto found out the trick to which is something minato couldn't do b4 he died.

U also left out that Naruto has a better SM, but none of that means that Naruto can pull off FTG. However I can't say that Naruto can't either because exactly what is involved in the technique is unknown. Most likely Naruto would have to learn the mechanics behind summoning jutsu which is something I honestly don't think he would be capable of understanding (opinion)

You must be registered for see images

Yeah I used up all my high speed data for the month so your scan won't load on my phone buddy

 

[Xlad]

Close to being Minato since who else would he take.

 

[lndra]

Yeah I used up all my high speed data for the month so your scan won't load on my phone buddy

Sage Jutsu - Sage Mode
Caster: Jiraiya

"A toad-lion warrior brimming with divinity who wields senjutsu that surpasses ninjutsu"​

The style for Senjutsu displayed by Jiraiya during his decisive battle with Pain. Jiraiya summons the two Great Sage Toads of Mt. Myoboku, and by borrowing their powers, absorbs a huge amount of nature's energy in his body. By blending it with his chakra, he is able to dramatically increase the level of ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu. Sage Mode makes the use of senjutsu possible. Combings with the two great Sage toads in his body makes it possible or all three to work as a team, bringing him truly to the realm of a sage.

- Data book

 

[ANiMUS]

Sage Jutsu - Sage Mode
Caster: Jiraiya

"A toad-lion warrior brimming with divinity who wields senjutsu that surpasses ninjutsu"​

The style for Senjutsu displayed by Jiraiya during his decisive battle with Pain. Jiraiya summons the two Great Sage Toads of Mt. Myoboku, and by borrowing their powers, absorbs a huge amount of nature's energy in his body. By blending it with his chakra, he is able to dramatically increase the level of ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu. Sage Mode makes the use of senjutsu possible. Combings with the two great Sage toads in his body makes it possible or all three to work as a team, bringing him truly to the realm of a sage.

- Data book

Thx

 

[Gerkak]

I simply see FRS for what it is. :| rasengan with the addition of the wind element.

Being adapted from rasengan means it just shares the same principles. That's y I stated that FRS just a variation, it is just an adaptation that Naruto found out the trick to which is something minato couldn't do b4 he died.

U also left out that Naruto has a better SM, but none of that means that Naruto can pull off FTG. However I can't say that Naruto can't either because exactly what is involved in the technique is unknown. Most likely Naruto would have to learn the mechanics behind summoning jutsu which is something I honestly don't think he would be capable of understanding (opinion)

It is till S-rank meaning it isn't something easy to do.

At least you admitted this is only your opinion, however based on what I am saying nothing suggests that naruto can't perform a jutsu that minato could. In fact by feats the opposite is the case, given how naruto out does minato in the techniques they share.

If naruto can understand in'yoton he can understand FTG

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Hi man!

Perfect Frog Sage mode disagrees and it was achieved without Kurama.

Capability =/= talent.

 

[iNotorious]

Menma in a nutshell. Add FTG + SM.

 

[Reboryushon]

Capability =/= talent.

So Naruto is more talented than Minato since he mastered Sage mode.

Damn, Naruto surpassed Minato on almost everything in terms of known feats that both have and can be compared on a 1:1 relation.

^Rasenshuriken agrees, that nature affinity manipulation that even Minato couldn't complete..

 

[ANiMUS]

It is till S-rank meaning it isn't something easy to do.

At least you admitted this is only your opinion, however based on what I am saying nothing suggests that naruto can't perform a jutsu that minato could. In fact by feats the opposite is the case, given how naruto out does minato in the techniques they share.

If naruto can understand in'yoton he can understand FTG

Yeah I hold S/T jutsu to a higher standard than elemental jutsu so as that is that is the case as far as difficulty. It seems more technical than just properly molding chakra which seem to celebrate the basis for most of Naruto's jutsu.

Also as far as in'you ton I hope u mean tbb because we are talking about Naruto without the kyuubi and I was not using RSM as a factor b4. In fact it's funny that even after getting universal understanding of chakra Naruto still could not completely grasp inyouton and unlike Obito or Madara Naruto struggled with his abilities.

^ it's that kind of stuff that makes me doubt Naruto learning FTG without RSM.

Naruto's character imo seems to be the type that only does a few tbings, but the things he does do he excels over everyone else in those categories.

I don't believe S/T jutsu to be one of those categories though

My opinion may just be my opinion, but in no way do I believe it is unwarranted

 

[Nick01]

He'd be pretty OP. Top student. Genius ( put Neji and Sasuke to shame ), more jutsu, another chakra nature, etc.

 

[leezagboola]

If Naruto didnt have the kyuubi and his parents were still alive, he probably wouldnt have become so close to Sasuke as he wouldnt be relying on that one strong brother/best friend connection. They wouldnt have been in the same team because Naruto wouldnt be ranked the worst, possibly could be ranked highly like Sasuke (their team was based on the fact naruto was the worst, Sasuke the best and Sakura around the middle and intelligent). Naruto probs wouldnt care as much to be hokage as he would be acknowledge by the village as the 4th hokages son.
Sasuke and Naruto probs wouldnt have been rivals so Sasuke's fear of not being strong enough and seeing Naruto become stronger probably wouldnt happen. (From part 1, Sasuke was sad seeing that Naruto was the one to take down Gaara not him and when they fought on the roof of the hospital, Naruto's hole in the water tank was much more devastating than Sasukes') Sasuke considers one day getting revenge but instead of being urged to leave the village becomes a jonin at 16 and finds out Itachi died of random illness...


I dont know what the story would be about if Naruto was just living with his family casually going on missions. I imagine it would be more like pokemon travelling from country to country collecting ninjutsu. Maybe Orochimaru and Kabuto would appear to foil his plans, capture Sasuke to sell him like team rocket? The dynamics of the series would completely change.