[VS] DSM Kabuto vs Nagato

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Intel does turn things way more in Kabuto's favor. Nagato won't know whether to use Shinra Tensei, Preta Path, or watch and wait against Hakugeki as Itachi and Sasuke did. Shinra Tensei would most likely work against it, but the other two options, he'd get caught in Hakugeki. Yes, Nagato may or may not be able to break it near the end like Itachi did, but depending on the distance from Kabuto that won't matter. If he's close enough and Hakugeki goes off, it'll be a very quick fight.
White Rage doesn't come close to Nagato's body, so Preta path isn't an option. Even if the technique comes close, it doesn't come in contact with Nagato's body. I do think that Nagato will get caught in white rage, which then Kabuto will have to come close to Nagato. Nagato is a sensor, and will sense Kabuto coming close to him, which ST sends him flying back. And the location is outside, which automatically reduces the impact of the noise.




Maybe. Kabuto can control Manda telepathically, so they may be the ones who have this tug of war. But again, Manda's soul is probably as large as the creature itself. Meaning it could take time, soul tug of war or not.
What? How does controlling Manda telepathically help Manda survive human path? Once Nagato touches Amanda's soul, he takes flight, which the soul goes with him.

What if Kabuto is riding Manda 2? Or what if he realizes what Nagato is doing, which he would, and shunshins to him? It'll be difficult to fight SM Kabuto while ripping out Manda 2's soul at the same time, even with access to other Paths simultaneously.
I doubt it. Manda is busy dealing with multiple summons, like the rhino, buffalo, the crab, and the dog. While Nagato has his bird keeping Kabuto busy. Nagato himself is free to go where Kabuto isn't, and remove Manda's soul.


One way Kabuto could end the match is while Nagato is ripping out Manda 2's soul, Kabuto could hide within Manda 2's flesh as Orochimaru did with a snake in part 1, then launch a surprise attack directly below or behind Nagato.
Nagato's sensory ability prevents that. But Kabuto is busy trying to fight the bird, while Nagato is free. Kabuto also has no reason to go inside Amanda's skin. He has full Intel, but he doesn't know Nagato's battle tactics.


Huh, that may be true with the chameleon. Although I'm not 100% certain because when Jiraiya put up a "sensing barrier" he would've been able to tell where it was.
That barrier reveals the location of whatever enters it. People with sensing like Naruto and Ma and Pa couldn't tell where it was. Ma had to smell it out. Naruto straight up got caught

Since Kabuto would know what was going on (seeing how he himself was the one who came up with that strategy), he could liquefy or use Oral Rebirth before Nagato arrives/moves in. Then use Kidōmaru's projectiles to attack the Chameleon, leading it to poof away. Depending on his distance from Nagato of course.
Then there's still the matter of Tayuya's Genjutsu.
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Kratos post shouldn't be taken serious. Nagato is going to rip Manda 2 soul out? How? If he tries Phantom soul rip Muki Tensei rocks Blitz his immobile body shreding his legs and spilling his guts.
 

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Kratos post shouldn't be taken serious. Nagato is going to rip Manda 2 soul out? How? If he tries Phantom soul rip Muki Tensei rocks Blitz his immobile body shreding his legs and spilling his guts.
Muki Tensei
"Inorganic Reincarnation"
Is Manda's skin inorganic, dumbass?
 

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I think he was saying the rocks would be what impales him
By the time rocks get to him from the ground all the way to the top of Manda, Nagato will be high flying with Manda's soul.
 

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Not sure what you're talking about, but gravity doesn't work like that in NV. The friction of CST hasn't even inflicted scuff marks for you to say it would evaporate the liquefied body. The snake body is merely another option, liquefaction works just fine too, as do his three forms of healing.

Shinra Tensei involves manipulating earth's gravity to create a repulsion force that acts on the object it's targetting. Because of that repulsion force, the object accelerates at high speeds, so there's naturally going to be a lot of kinetic energy (due to high velocity) which naturally dissipates.

Not to mention there's air friction which acts on the object in motion. Scuff marks are entirely irrelevant. Tell me, what do you think would actually happen to an object that moves at unnaturally high speeds? With you're logic, you're literally implying that moving at incredibly high speeds wouldn't cause objects to combust even though common sense would dictate that's not necessarily true.
 

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Once Nagato touches Amanda's soul, he takes flight, which the soul goes with him.

Not how Human Path works (databook):

Ningendou

Instant communion of mind with mind!
Holding ones psyche in the palm of their hand the soul is robbed!!

Pain Rikudou possesses a power similar to causing the death of a human being, one of the abilities among the six. To pull out a human beings soul, is a jutsu to snatch away ones life.

The hand guides the soul to ascend to heaven. One's final moments come when the hand is placed on their head, everyone of ones own feelings/thoughts not a single one is out of reach, an exceedingly inhuman ninjutsu. An Indispensable device, in several seconds the caster will be inside ones head and be able to read their memories, on occasion to investigate a target the opponent is cross examined, it's then that it displays maximum effectiveness. Consent or refusal as it were, opponent information is deciphered. As thought is prohibited a quite fear approaches, a power that is "a work of god", it's possible to say this jutsu is taboo!

The end comes when ones memories are read, it's only natural that instant death comes to those that are useless


I doubt it. Manda is busy dealing with multiple summons, like the rhino, buffalo, the crab, and the dog. While Nagato has his bird keeping Kabuto busy. Nagato himself is free to go where Kabuto isn't, and remove Manda's soul.

A single tail swipe clears them out the way, I doubt they are factors here.

Nagato's sensory ability prevents that. But Kabuto is busy trying to fight the bird, while Nagato is free. Kabuto also has no reason to go inside Amanda's skin. He has full Intel, but he doesn't know Nagato's battle tactics.

Bird is hardly keeping Kabuto busy. Not when Kabuto has AoE Genjutsu or Kidomaru's webs to entangle.



That barrier reveals the location of whatever enters it. People with sensing like Naruto and Ma and Pa couldn't tell where it was. Ma had to smell it out. Naruto straight up got caught

Naruto could only sense malice so no, thats not the reason. Otherwise evidence is burden on you to proof that summoning is malice. No evidence that Ma and Pa are sensors. Thats a human entering SM attribute.
 

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Shinra Tensei involves manipulating earth's gravity to create a repulsion force that acts on the object it's targetting. Because of that repulsion force, the object accelerates at high speeds, so there's naturally going to be a lot of kinetic energy (due to high velocity) which naturally dissipates.

Not to mention there's air friction which acts on the object in motion. Scuff marks are entirely irrelevant. Tell me, what do you think would actually happen to an object that moves at unnaturally high speeds? With you're logic, you're literally implying that moving at incredibly high speeds wouldn't cause objects to combust even though common sense would dictate that's not necessarily true.

Stop playing stupid man. IRL logic=/=Manga. Scruff marks/burns/scratches/etc would've been inflicted by CST when it was used due to the friction by your logic, yet they weren't. Katsuyu should've been vaporised seeing how her body is over 80% water and seeing how she can use Hydrification (thus high liquid composition). Yet you're claiming Kabuto will vaporise with his SM durability+Hydrification? More IRL logic similar to this would be me claiming Bee's clothes should've been lit on fire from the large scale Shinra Tensei used on him. Not how it works dude.
 

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Stop playing stupid man. IRL logic=/=Manga. Scruff marks/burns/scratches/etc would've been inflicted by CST when it was used due to the friction by your logic, yet they weren't. Katsuyu should've been vaporised seeing how her body is over 80% water and seeing how she can use Hydrification (thus high liquid composition).

And what we saw was entirely different. Katsuyu never succumbed to the high acceleration caused by Shinra Tensei and that's clearly witnessed when Katsuyu's composition allowed itself to attach itself to the person it was protecting as shown here:



Not to mention high speeds have literally created thermal energy in the manga such as Gai's Morning Peacock or the instantaneous transportation Raikage and Tsunade endured. Kishimoto certainly believes high speeds can cause enough thermal energy to literally create flames.

Yet you're claiming Kabuto will vaporise with his SM durability+Hydrification? More IRL logic similar to this would be me claiming Bee's clothes should've been lit on fire from the large scale Shinra Tensei used on him. Not how it works dude.

I'm saying that's certainly an option.

Though being Sage Enhanced doesn't allow one to resist the effects of heat seeing as how SM Naruto was burnt by Madara's Smallest Katon despite EMS Sasuke withstanding it.

Oh please. Nagato never used a Chou Shinra Tensei and was a relatively far distance which weakens the force of gravity between them. Hell, Nagato never once intended on sending him flying at relatively high speeds because Nagato, while immobile had to be quick enough to reach Bee.
 

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Mfw when people claim Human Path can be used on Animals.

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Mfw when people claim Human Path can be used on Animals.

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Wasn't animal path used on Konan, a human? What about the inverse?

Though I agree with you because of its lack of feats with animal and the fact it is called human path, not soul or life path.
 

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Wasn't animal path used on Konan, a human? What about the inverse?

Though I agree with you because of its lack of feats with animal and the fact it is called human path, not soul or life path.

Yeah, but that's because it's also a summoning jutsu. The regular hand signs have to be used to summon people IIRC, while no hand signs are needed to call the actual animal.
 

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And what we saw was entirely different. Katsuyu never succumbed to the high acceleration caused by Shinra Tensei and that's clearly witnessed when Katsuyu's composition allowed itself to attach itself to the person it was protecting as shown here:



Not to mention high speeds have literally created thermal energy in the manga such as Gai's Morning Peacock or the instantaneous transportation Raikage and Tsunade endured. Kishimoto certainly believes high speeds can cause enough thermal energy to literally create flames.

Yes, he certainly believes high-speeds can cause substantial friction. Good thing Shinra Tensei does not fit his belief of a high-speed friction generating attack per manga facts. Let's look over some IRL logic then. The small pieces of wood should've been burning seeing how the temperature required to combust wood is only ~230 Celsius, roughly twice that of water. Then we consider the fact that Kabuto's body can become bodily fluid, plus the fact that he has a layering SM durability to protect him originally before the water begins to vaporise (his body isn't naturally in a fluid state, in case you didn't know). By your logic though, the heat of the friction from such a massive CST would be WELL beyond 200 degrees, so there goes your argument seeing how you'd be using your own made-up illogical physics if you claim it's less then 200 celsius and around 100 celsius.

I'm saying that's certainly an option.

Though being Sage Enhanced doesn't allow one to resist the effects of heat seeing as how SM Naruto was burnt by Madara's Smallest Katon despite EMS Sasuke withstanding it.

Oh please. Nagato never used a Chou Shinra Tensei and was a relatively far distance which weakens the force of gravity between them. Hell, Nagato never once intended on sending him flying at relatively high speeds because Nagato, while immobile had to be quick enough to reach Bee.

It allows his body to be less prone to the detrimental effects of friction. Not sure why you are even mentioning Madara's Katon lmao. I sincerely hope you don't believe Base Sasuke's durability>SM Naruto's, because you just implied that.

Yet he used a massive ST on him and destroyed half the forest. Your argument is nonsensical, but I'll ignore it since I believe I've made it clear your friction argument isn't viable.
 

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Not how Human Path works (databook):
As long as it has a soul it can be removed. Proven by Nagato reviving Pa Along with the villagers. Meaning he has control over animal souls as well




A single tail swipe clears them out the way, I doubt they are factors here.
Nagato would literally summon them when he's right above Manda. They would land on Manda and attack him while they're on top of it.


Bird is hardly keeping Kabuto busy. Not when Kabuto has AoE Genjutsu or Kidomaru's webs to entangle.

He has to keep watch for the bird. Bird is just for a mere distraction though. While other summons are on top of Amanda, dealing damage, Kabuto is needs to keep watch for the bird. Webs are avoided. Genjutsu prep is interrupted by a Bansho tenin with a mini meteor. But even if Kabuto performs the genjutsu on the bird, Nagato is left free to go somewhere else and pull out manda's soul. Which it can't fight against when it's busy to deal with the summons on top of him


Naruto could only sense malice so no, thats not the reason. Otherwise evidence is burden on you to proof that summoning is malice. No evidence that Ma and Pa are sensors. Thats a human entering SM attribute.
No, anyone that gathers natural energy becomes a sensor. With senjutsu you can feel everything around you, as everything in NV has natural energy in it. Ma and Pa still couldn't sense the chameleon without Ma's tongue. And you said it's a perk for humans when they enter SM, which is wrong. If what you said is true, Jiraiya should have been able to sense the chameleon, but still couldn't.
 

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Mfw when Kratos continues to deny Manga fact despite DB already stating that he's wrong.

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Mfw when Kratos uses a completely different jutsu to prove he can take animal souls with Human Path.

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By the time rocks get to him from the ground all the way to the top of Manda, Nagato will be high flying with Manda's soul.

I was just telling you what he was trying to say.
 

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As long as it has a soul it can be removed. Proven by Nagato reviving Pa Along with the villagers. Meaning he has control over animal souls as well

Didnt prove anything DB outright stats how it was shown in the manga and gave implication on how it functions. So stop mixing up manga for your own interpretation. Human Path =/= Nakara Path+Outer Path.



Nagato would literally summon them when he's right above Manda. They would land on Manda and attack him while they're on top of it.

Lol so
1. Manda can't react to a free fall summons yet alone move away.
2. Manda gets hurt by jumping on top of him? Let alone do something to him?
3. Manda doesnt go baseball bat?

Your not factoring anything about Manda 2.

He has to keep watch for the bird. Bird is just for a mere distraction though. While other summons are on top of Amanda, dealing damage, Kabuto is needs to keep watch for the bird. Webs are avoided. Genjutsu prep is interrupted by a Bansho tenin with a mini meteor. But even if Kabuto performs the genjutsu on the bird, Nagato is left free to go somewhere else and pull out manda's soul. Which it can't fight against when it's busy to deal with the summons on top of him

1. No he doesn't. Not when he can use Orochimaru's talent/skills to use Shadow Clones
2. Not when Genjutsu is being used with DNA while Kabuto does his own actions.
3. Nagato isn't left free when getting hit with Genjutsu alone with every other summons in the field.
4. Cut the soul rip BS and summons being a factor.



No, anyone that gathers natural energy becomes a sensor. With senjutsu you can feel everything around you, as everything in NV has natural energy in it. Ma and Pa still couldn't sense the chameleon without Ma's tongue. And you said it's a perk for humans when they enter SM, which is wrong. If what you said is true, Jiraiya should have been able to sense the chameleon, but still couldn't.

No anyone that gathers natural energy are able to sense nateral energy. Stop giving made up feats to prove yourself right. Jiraya never perfected SM so can you stop making stuff up and concede.
 
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Didnt prove anything DB outright stats how it was shown in the manga and gave implication on how it functions. So stop mixing up manga for your own interpretation. Human Path =/= Nakara Path+Outer Path.
All and all Nagato has control over souls


Lol so
1. Manda can't react to a free fall summons yet alone move away.
2. Manda gets hurt by jumping on top of him? Let alone do something to him?
3. Manda doesnt go baseball bat?
1. Not when he's 10M above manda
2. No, but he get hurt with having multiple animals attacking him in different places
3. Not when the animals are on top of him

1. No he doesn't. Not when he can use Orochimaru's talent/skills to use Shadow Clones
2. Not when Genjutsu is being used with DNA while Kabuto does his own actions.
3. Nagato isn't left free when getting hit with Genjutsu alone with every other summons in the field.
4. Cut the soul rip BS and summons being a factor.
1. Kabuto wouldn't want to split his chakra in half against someone of Nagato's caliber. A ST would rape the clones
2. The DNA is still connected to his body, which is interrupted when Nagato pulls him with BT, and attempts to hit him with a mini meteor
3. Addressed



No anyone that gathers natural energy are able to sense nateral energy. Stop giving made up feats to prove yourself right. Jiraya never perfected SM so can you stop and concede.
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All and all Nagato has control over souls

Because of outer[ ] not relevant to human path technique. The technique itself is meant to strip human souls. Period.

1. Not when he's 10M above manda
2. No, but he get hurt with having multiple animals attacking him in different places
3. Not when the animals are on top of him

-So Nagato is going to be 10 meters away from a colossal creature thats over 200 meters long? Yup. He lose.
-By what feats are they capable of doing critical damage to Manda 2? None.
- Lol yeah 10 meters.


1. Kabuto wouldn't want to split his chakra in half against someone of Nagato's caliber. A ST would rape the clones
2. The DNA is still connected to his body, which is interrupted when Nagato pulls him with BT, and attempts to hit him with a mini meteor
3. Addressed

1. Except the clone isnt being used for engaging. Its staying back for Genjutsu and other long range jutsus
2. None every character effected by BT is capable of using their hands. So no counter.
3. with full of shit


So are you laughing at yourself here? Because of your selective reading? You quote a scan that @Bold exactly states. Lol nice.

Concession accepted
 
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