[VS] DSM Kabuto vs Nagato

[Apêx1]

Location: Forest
Distance: 20 meters
Intel: Manga
Restrictions: CT
Conditions: Nagato is mobile, red-haired Nagato as non-Edo

 

[Unorthodox]

been done a gabillion times Nagato wins until i say otherwise

That Manda 2 though

 

[Apêx1]

been done a gabillion times Nagato wins until i say otherwise

That Manda 2 though

Yep, but recently I saw the DBIV entry for Kabuto's DNA and think he has a much better chance with it. He has the ability to use all of the talents, jutsu and KKG of the DNA's he acquired without the need to form the body via Sakon/Ukon. He only uses Sakon/Ukon for convenience purposes.

 

[KidGamer65]

Assuming he can use all their abilities, which is what DB pretty much says, Kabuto wins.

 

[HiddenSound]

Yep, but recently I saw the DBIV entry for Kabuto's DNA and think he has a much better chance with it. He has the ability to use all of the talents, jutsu and KKG of the DNA's he acquired without the need to form the body via Sakon/Ukon. He only uses Sakon/Ukon for convenience purposes.

Can you elaborate or give a link?

 

[Beans2]

CST tho

 

[Apêx1]

Can you elaborate or give a link?

Here:

Den'ien'ei (den-i-en-ei, to make the kana clear), he infused himself with the cells of each member of the Sound Five, allowing him to use Attack of the Twin Demons; by infusing himself with their cells, he gained the ability to freely use their jutsu, talents, and kekkei genkai. It says that he uses Attack of the Twin Demons to manifest their upper torsos from his own torso, which allows him move independantly while unleashing their skills, so he can fight and move strategically at the same time.

He has their jutsu, talents and KKG. Also, it's implied he doesn't need to use the Sakon/Ukon for DNA, he can use them one by one without the Sakon/Ukon "attack of twin demons" jutsu.

CST tho

Liquefying would counter the impact. Potentially, Kidomaru's arrow could also snipe Nagato as he tries to fly up in the air/prep the attack which Kabuto can sense.

 

[HiddenSound]

CST tho

Oral Rebirth can counter. It activates upon death.
As long as his body remains intact.

 

[ARGUS]

Nagato wins this

 

[Fighter2011]

Lol what does it matter if he has the powers and abilities of a few fodder. Nagato destroys him.

 

[Passerby]

Nagato stomps

 

[HiddenSound]

Lol what does it matter if he has the powers and abilities of a few fodder. Nagato destroys him.

Nagato stomps

Want to elaborate?

 

[Lord Tywin]

Jirobo's technique shouldn't even be discussed
Kidomaru's webs are absorbed. Arrows are repelled
Tayuya's genjutsu is interrupted by BT and a mini meteor.
Kimimaro's bones are countered by deva's ability to float. Or by the bird
Muki Tensei is also countered by flying
White rage is dispersed by ST
cqc is not going to work with Nagato flying, and ST
Manda2 is just a giant target to gets its soul removed. Summons can keep it busy while Nagato do so.
Kabuto himself is attracted by BT, grabbed by the chameleon, and has his soul removed.

Push comes to the shove Nagato outlasts

 

[NarutoX28]

Liquefying would counter the impact. Potentially, Kidomaru's arrow could also snipe Nagato as he tries to fly up in the air/prep the attack which Kabuto can sense.

Pretty sure the high acceleration caused by CST would cause enough friction for Kabuto to evaporate entirely.

 

[HiddenSound]

Jirobo's technique shouldn't even be discussed
Kidomaru's webs are absorbed. Arrows are repelled
Tayuya's genjutsu is interrupted by BT and a mini meteor.
Kimimaro's bones are countered by deva's ability to float. Or by the bird
Muki Tensei is also countered by flying
White rage is dispersed by ST
cqc is not going to work with Nagato flying, and ST
Manda2 is just a giant target to gets its soul removed. Summons can keep it busy while Nagato do so.
Kabuto himself is attracted by BT, grabbed by the chameleon, and has his soul removed.

Push comes to the shove Nagato outlasts

Couple holes
If the intel is manga, then shouldn't Kabuto know all of Nagato's abilities and Nagato none of Kabuto's? If that's the case then Tayuya's Genjutsu will work fine. Same with Hakugeki.
Human Path can have difficulty removing souls from certain beings like KCM Naruto. Considering souls seem to be the same size as the body, Nagato won't be able to instantly rip out the colossal Manda 2's soul. Manda 2 can deal with Nagato's summonings pretty easily, the dog being the only lasting problem. Besides, Kabuto isn't going to be dicking around while that's happening. He can summon more snakes or create his own for assistance.
Kabuto's sensing and perception will let him know where the chameleon is. Liquefying or Oral Rebirth or a quick maneuver with Chakra Scalpel allows him to escape. Then there's the whole Human Path vs certain beings thing again. Nagato removing SM Kabuto's soul would probably be easier said than done.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Couple holes
If the intel is manga, then shouldn't Kabuto know all of Nagato's abilities and Nagato none of Kabuto's? If that's the case then Tayuya's Genjutsu will work fine. Same with Hakugeki.
Human Path can have difficulty removing souls from certain beings like KCM Naruto. Considering souls seem to be the same size as the body, Nagato won't be able to instantly rip out the colossal Manda 2's soul. Manda 2 can deal with Nagato's summonings pretty easily, the dog being the only lasting problem. Besides, Kabuto isn't going to be dicking around while that's happening. He can summon more snakes or create his own for assistance.
Kabuto's sensing and perception will let him know where the chameleon is. Liquefying or Oral Rebirth or a quick maneuver with Chakra Scalpel allows him to escape. Then there's the whole Human Path vs certain beings thing again. Nagato removing SM Kabuto's soul would probably be easier said than done.

Intel doesn't change much. He can see Kimimaro's bones coming from the ground. White rage is once again dispersed with ST, even if Nagato is caught. He should have no problem performing a technique when Itachi could.
Unless Manda can fight for his soul, like Naruto did, the I see Nagato having no difficulty removing it. But again Manda Seems just a normal animal with superior senses to The original. Unless you're telling me Manda can figure out how to fight for his soul in a tug of war before Naruto and Bee could.
Summonings are just for Manda to be distracted long enough for Nagato to remove its soul. And given Nagato's flying ability, and Kabuto having no answer to flying, he can gain some distance from Kabuto and aim to remove Amanda's soul without distraction from Kabuto.
The chameleon is tricky. Jiraiya couldn't sense it. Ma had to user her tongue to find its location. KCM Naruto couldn't sense it. It probably has some kind of protection against sensory abilities.
Liquidification makes it worse for Kabuto once Nagato is attempting to remove his soul because Kabuto isn't pulling his soul back in, and making Nagato's attempt easier. Oral rebirth is the same because it only changes the body, but the soul is still in contact with Nagato.

 

[HiddenSound]

Intel doesn't change much. He can see Kimimaro's bones coming from the ground. White rage is once again dispersed with ST, even if Nagato is caught. He should have no problem performing a technique when Itachi could.
Unless Manda can fight for his soul, like Naruto did, the I see Nagato having no difficulty removing it. But again Manda Seems just a normal animal with superior senses to The original. Unless you're telling me Manda can figure out how to fight for his soul in a tug of war before Naruto and Bee could.
Summonings are just for Manda to be distracted long enough for Nagato to remove its soul. And given Nagato's flying ability, and Kabuto having no answer to flying, he can gain some distance from Kabuto and aim to remove Amanda's soul without distraction from Kabuto.
The chameleon is tricky. Jiraiya couldn't sense it. Ma had to user her tongue to find its location. KCM Naruto couldn't sense it. It probably has some kind of protection against sensory abilities.
Liquidification makes it worse for Kabuto once Nagato is attempting to remove his soul because Kabuto isn't pulling his soul back in, and making Nagato's attempt easier. Oral rebirth is the same because it only changes the body, but the soul is still in contact with Nagato.

Intel does turn things way more in Kabuto's favor. Nagato won't know whether to use Shinra Tensei, Preta Path, or watch and wait against Hakugeki as Itachi and Sasuke did. Shinra Tensei would most likely work against it, but the other two options, he'd get caught in Hakugeki. Yes, Nagato may or may not be able to break it near the end like Itachi did, but depending on the distance from Kabuto that won't matter. If he's close enough and Hakugeki goes off, it'll be a very quick fight.
Maybe. Kabuto can control Manda telepathically, so they may be the ones who have this tug of war. But again, Manda's soul is probably as large as the creature itself. Meaning it could take time, soul tug of war or not.
What if Kabuto is riding Manda 2? Or what if he realizes what Nagato is doing, which he would, and shunshins to him? It'll be difficult to fight SM Kabuto while ripping out Manda 2's soul at the same time, even with access to other Paths simultaneously.
One way Kabuto could end the match is while Nagato is ripping out Manda 2's soul, Kabuto could hide within Manda 2's flesh as Orochimaru did with a snake in part 1, then launch a surprise attack directly below or behind Nagato.

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Huh, that may be true with the chameleon. Although I'm not 100% certain because when Jiraiya put up a "sensing barrier" he would've been able to tell where it was.
Since Kabuto would know what was going on (seeing how he himself was the one who came up with that strategy), he could liquefy or use Oral Rebirth before Nagato arrives/moves in. Then use Kidōmaru's projectiles to attack the Chameleon, leading it to poof away. Depending on his distance from Nagato of course.
Then there's still the matter of Tayuya's Genjutsu.

 

[Apêx1]

Pretty sure the high acceleration caused by CST would cause enough friction for Kabuto to evaporate entirely.

Good thing gravity wouldn't exert friction. People don't die from the ST or the CST, but the landing. The landing won't be affecting Kabuto's body and he could cover himself in snakes anyways to further aid himself.

 

[NarutoX28]

Good thing gravity wouldn't exert friction. People don't die from the ST or the CST, but the landing. The landing won't be affecting Kabuto's body and he could cover himself in snakes anyways to further aid himself.

Some of the kinetic energy will dissipate, so he certainly could evaporate if he chooses to liqeufy.

That was my main point. Him putting up a snake defense to me implies liquefication doesn't work.

 

[Apêx1]

Some of the kinetic energy will dissipate, so he certainly could evaporate if he chooses to liqeufy.

That was my main point. Him putting up a snake defense to me implies liquefication doesn't work.

Not sure what you're talking about, but gravity doesn't work like that in NV. The friction of CST hasn't even inflicted scuff marks for you to say it would evaporate the liquefied body. The snake body is merely another option, liquefaction works just fine too, as do his three forms of healing.