What do you think about the Espadas' numbers?

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IMO, Aizen grouped them according to WHAT he seen so far in them. Ulquiorra should have been at least 1st if not 2nd with his second release. Stark IMO is not that strong... Kyosaku's shikai alone owned him. How about something like this?

1. Ulquiorra / Barragan
2. Barragan / Ulquiorra
3. Stark

and so on... The one that I put first like Ulquiorra / Barragan means Ulquiorra has a more likely chance he's 1st etc.
 

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I think Kubo has done a bad job of powering his characters, the Espadas particularly. It's like, Ulquiorra appears to be super fast to Ichigo, but would he be extremely fast when viewed by Shunsui? Factors like speed and skill are only quantified and qualified by those observing them. IE., when a stronger Shinigami (like Shunsui) fights an Espada like Sark, he's going to appear to have an easier time with him than if a weaker Shinigami (like Rangiku) were to fight Sark.
 

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All I know is that when Ichigo went super hollow on ulquiorra at half power, Ulquiorra had no chance to win at all. Ichigo can pwn even the so-called 1st espada by Kubo easily with that super hollow. Ichigo at current is already at Aizen's level in terms of power, experience seperates them both through. So it's like Ichigo's super hollow > Kyosaku's shikai. I want to see if Shunsui can still use his shikai againest Ulquiorra in his 2nd release form.
 

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I think Starrk is getting a bad rap here. He somewhat easily took out two ex-captains turned vizard after fighting against both Shunsui and Ukitake. I also think Shunsui's shikai is one of the most powerful we've seen thus far. Anyone within the realm of its reiatsu is forced to play by its rules. That means if you don't know the game, you're going to die. Simple as that. Starrk did a good job of figuring out the rules after one turn and did a pretty good amount of damage to Shunsui. But in the end Shunsui was just too strong. Aside from Yama-jii he is probably the strongest captain. Starrk really never stood a chance.

But ya, Kubo is all over the place with power levels.
 

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I think Starrk is getting a bad rap here. He somewhat easily took out two ex-captains turned vizard after fighting against both Shunsui and Ukitake. I also think Shunsui's shikai is one of the most powerful we've seen thus far. Anyone within the realm of its reiatsu is forced to play by its rules. That means if you don't know the game, you're going to die. Simple as that. Starrk did a good job of figuring out the rules after one turn and did a pretty good amount of damage to Shunsui. But in the end Shunsui was just too strong. Aside from Yama-jii he is probably the strongest captain. Starrk really never stood a chance.

But ya, Kubo is all over the place with power levels.
they both were lazy i think they would have been like best friends stark you happen to be on the wrong side... like seriously he didn't really looked like a hollow :mad:
 

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Didn't I mention he was defeated by Kyosaku's shikai? There is no way kyosaku's shikai could defeat Ichigo's super hollow. Ulquiorra was strong enough to make Ichigo went super hollow. Stark probably could as well but he was already defeated by a mere shikai from a senior captain. This proves Ulquiorra > Stark.
 

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Didn't I mention he was defeated by Kyosaku's shikai? There is no way kyosaku's shikai could defeat Ichigo's super hollow. Ulquiorra was strong enough to make Ichigo went super hollow. Stark probably could as well but he was already defeated by a mere shikai from a senior captain. This proves Ulquiorra > Stark.
i see only pretty part of Ulquiorra bean 4th :D and Kenpachi please go to Bleach Wiki and read about Shunsui who he is, what kind of Shinigami he is compared to others ;) couse really, bleach is not yet about the stronest ever Ichigo... and Ichigos 2d form is not ichigo ;) its a thing so far, please dont give credits on that to Ichigo
 
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i see only beaty part of Ulquiorra bean 4th :D and Kenpachi please go to Bleach Wiki and read about Shunsui who he is, what what kind of Shinigami he is compared to others ;) couse really, bleach is not yet about the stronest ever Ichigo... and Ichigos 2d form is not ichigo ;) its a thing so far, please dont give credits on that to Ichigo
I know that the super hollow isn't Ichigo, but it's still Ichigo's mysterious new power that he can't control for the time being. I do know shunsui is strong, possibly the strongest captain together with ukitake other than yamamoto. But even so, he can't stand againest Ichigo's 2nd hollow form, and thats a fact. Not even yamamoto can, it was a power that is quite similar to Aizen's current evolved form.
 

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I know that the super hollow isn't Ichigo, but it's still Ichigo's mysterious new power that he can't control for the time being. I do know shunsui is strong, possibly the strongest captain together with ukitake other than yamamoto. But even so, he can't stand againest Ichigo's 2nd hollow form, and thats a fact. Not even yamamoto can, it was a power that is quite similar to Aizen's current evolved form.
prove me he cant? im not saying he can, its just you are to sure in it :)
If Ulquiorra had to figh shunsui there 1 on 1 i bet Shunsui would match with his speed, and finaly he would release his BANKAI :D talking about Ichigos 2d releas, i have my thoughts about it, i found it odd that Aizen didnt let Gin kill Ichigo, even moar Gin knew he was not allowed to kill ichigo.... now when Aizen left HM he left Ulquiorra in charge, and Ulquiorra kills Ichigo.... it went against Aizens plans and my guess is that Ichigos resurecting and that form was Aizens work :D no spamm...its just what crossed my mind
 

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prove me he cant? im not saying he can, its just you are to sure in it :)
If Ulquiorra had to figh shunsui there 1 on 1 i bet Shunsui would match with his speed, and finaly he would release his BANKAI :D talking about Ichigos 2d releas, i have my thoughts about it, i found it odd that Aizen didnt let Gin kill Ichigo, even moar Gin knew he was not allowed to kill ichigo.... now when Aizen left HM he left Ulquiorra in charge, and Ulquiorra kills Ichigo.... it went against Aizens plans and my guess is that Ichigos resurecting and that form was Aizens work :D no spamm...its just what crossed my mind
Ichigo's super hollow form is similar to Aizen's current evolved form as I said. Their reiatsus are complicated, only those who have gain similar powers would understand the meaning of these reiatsus. There is no way shunsui can defeat something like that even with his bankai, neither can yamamoto. It was a completely new type of power.
 

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Ichigo's super hollow form is similar to Aizen's current evolved form as I said. Their reiatsus are complicated, only those who have gain similar powers would understand the meaning of these reiatsus. There is no way shunsui can defeat something like that even with his bankai, neither can yamamoto. It was a completely new type of power.
what im trying to say never say never, couse you dont know, i dont know, no one knows ;) and dont call it Ichigos super hallo form, since its not Hichigo tho
 

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But since Aizen didn't get to see Ulquiorra's 2nd release, he ranked him 4th. It does make sense he should be 1st / 2nd with his 2nd release.
hey im sorry to tell you this but just because aizen never saw it doesnt mean he didnt know about it aizen knows everything he probaly just didnt tell ulquiorra and he said he planned everything that happend to ichigo so he new about ulquiorra second release
 

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what im trying to say never say never, couse you dont know, i dont know, no one knows ;) and dont call it Ichigos super hallo form, since its not Hichigo tho
I shall call that super hollow form the new hollow form from now on. When Hollow Ichigo took control over Ichigo's body, he had the half hollow mask on. However, Ichigo had still 50% control over his body, so he could stop the Hollow Ichigo from killing people ruthlessly.

Then, we come to the 2nd form of the hollow. This is when Hollow Ichigo completely took over Ichigo's body, and was only shown once so far in the anime. Here is a picture of it:

Now, if Ichigo didn't manage to defeat Hollow Ichigo in his mind, he would have become a full hollow. So in turn, this power also came from Hollow Ichigo.

Finally, we come to the new hollow form. This is the strongest hollow form so far and could possibly be the final hollow form. Ichigo was once again taken over by Hollow Ichigo when he was about to die againest Ulquiorra. Here is a picture of the new hollow form: Again, if Ulquiorra didn't cut off one of the horns on Ichigo's mask, Ichigo would have turned into a hollow.
 

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It's pretty safe to say Shunsui would be a match for even Ulqu's 2nd release form, knowing Shunsui's shikai and by what rules it goes into effect it's just not possible for anyone to simply overpower it because you can't.

Also saying Starrk isn't strong, FYI he gave one of the strongest captains a hard time and took down more then one Vaizard - which in turn happen to be ex captains, so that tells you; 1. they're pretty damn strong even without hollow masks, 2. the fact that they have hollow masks and had plenty of time to control and master them and 3. the fact that he took them down that easily shows you how powerful he is. It's without a doubt that not even Ulquiorra in his second release form could do anything against those mass cero explosions.

Now about Ichigo's hollow form, it's not too early to assume his inner Hollow is a Vasto Lorde, now why would the writer mention them if not use them - simple, he did use them by making Ichigo's inner hollow one. Altho it will be quite some time before we get to see that form again I think and even then I doubt Ichigo will be able to fully control himself.

To get a bit more on-topic now; what I think about the Espada numbers? well to be honest I really think Halibel shouldn't have been Nr3 nor that Nnoitra should've been Nr5. Ulquiorra would've been much more suited for that number 3 position moving Halibel down to 4 and then moving Nnoitra down to 6 and Grimmjow up to 5. Also Yammy being number 0 all of a sudden was quite lame but I doubt he's any good as Byakuya and Kenpachi are taking care of him with quite some eas if I remember correctly :)
 

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It's pretty safe to say Shunsui would be a match for even Ulqu's 2nd release form, knowing Shunsui's shikai and by what rules it goes into effect it's just not possible for anyone to simply overpower it because you can't.

Also saying Starrk isn't strong, FYI he gave one of the strongest captains a hard time and took down more then one Vaizard - which in turn happen to be ex captains, so that tells you; 1. they're pretty damn strong even without hollow masks, 2. the fact that they have hollow masks and had plenty of time to control and master them and 3. the fact that he took them down that easily shows you how powerful he is. It's without a doubt that not even Ulquiorra in his second release form could do anything against those mass cero explosions.

Now about Ichigo's hollow form, it's not too early to assume his inner Hollow is a Vasto Lorde, now why would the writer mention them if not use them - simple, he did use them by making Ichigo's inner hollow one. Altho it will be quite some time before we get to see that form again I think and even then I doubt Ichigo will be able to fully control himself.

To get a bit more on-topic now; what I think about the Espada numbers? well to be honest I really think Halibel shouldn't have been Nr3 nor that Nnoitra should've been Nr5. Ulquiorra would've been much more suited for that number 3 position moving Halibel down to 4 and then moving Nnoitra down to 6 and Grimmjow up to 5. Also Yammy being number 0 all of a sudden was quite lame but I doubt he's any good as Byakuya and Kenpachi are taking care of him with quite some eas if I remember correctly :)
Even so, Ulquiorra's 1st release form was already enough to defeat Ichigo's hollow mask, 2nd release was able to force Ichigo to went into the new hollow form. He is consider to be pretty strong already. Now about the Ichigo's new hollow form, either he would have to go through a near-death experience again or have a talk with Hollow Ichigo to go to that form again. Now for the espadas' numbers, I don't see why Grimmjow is tougher than Nnoitra, mind to explain this? I agree Yammy as 0th is BS, Kubo must have a purpose for making Yammy 0th...
 

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Even so, Ulquiorra's 1st release form was already enough to defeat Ichigo's hollow mask, 2nd release was able to force Ichigo to went into the new hollow form. He is consider to be pretty strong already. Now about the Ichigo's new hollow form, either he would have to go through a near-death experience again or have a talk with Hollow Ichigo to go to that form again. Now for the espadas' numbers, I don't see why Grimmjow is tougher than Nnoitra, mind to explain this? I agree Yammy as 0th is BS, Kubo must have a purpose for making Yammy 0th...
its bleach, balance in power between charecters jump all the time :D
and Yammys purpose is to hold 3 captains
 
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