How do you think Naruto would be if he didn't have Kurama?

[Pukkake Pokayo]

I would like someone to come up with Sasuke without sharingan. Naruto without Kyuubi seems very interesting. People now a days say Naruto is average without
Kyuubi. I will admit I highly disagree. He would be far more interesting due to him having the Uzumaki lineage. His current version right now is more jinjurki than Uzumaki. If he was taught by his mother to learn few sealing techs he would be a very powerful shonobi right now.

Naruto the Jinjurki is god level. Naruto the Uzumaki would be a very fine versitle kage level shonobi.

Indeed. Jiraiya with imperfect Sage Mode was kage lvl. Naruto could possibly have FTG too with his fathers guidance. That would be the most versatile fighting style in the entire manga tbh. Keep in mind his father was also faster than the raikage.

Naruto would be above any kage ever, regardless.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Indeed. Jiraiya with imperfect Sage Mode was kage lvl. Naruto could possibly have FTG too with his fathers guidance. That would be the most versatile fighting style in the entire manga tbh. Keep in mind his father was also faster than the raikage.

Naruto would be above any kage ever, regardless.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't FTG made from seals of Uzumaki's techs? If Naruto learned those from Kushina wouldn't it be enough for him to copy Minato's style?

 

[Styles]

It was mixed with Naruto at birth, moreso because Kurama was slipping out.
Though as evidenced by Boruto and Clone2.0 and their whiskers, it'd still get down to him.

But those whiskers did it give Boruto and hima some kurama chakra too or is it just a hereditary trait from Naruto/Kushina being a Jin?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Seal Master too. What if no whiskers? Boy be gettin hella girls

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Naruto already had whiskers when he was born. They did not go on him after Kyuubi seal.

 

[Honord Sage]

This thread only asked what kind of person Naruto had been if he never gained Kurama. It never states anything about Minato and Kushina being alive. (But if you want to know how Naruto would have turned out skill wise if they had, look at Menma.) Sasuke mainly trained by himself as his father was busy training Itachi and Itachi was always busy with missions. (Sasuke was even amazed that his father took 5 minutes of his day to train with him.) Also, the manga never said or showed that Naruto's education was neglected and even his homeroom teacher (Iruka) had a special connection to him.

Beyond that, Naruto was under the protection of Hiruzen so no one would openly admit hatred to him or do something such as neglecting his education. Naruto was in the academy as everyone else, he was being trained like everyone else, only the fact that he had no skill for it. We even see Naruto and Sasuke practicing during the early days of the academy. (They couldn't have been more than 5-6 years old at the time.) Furthermore, Naruto practiced almost counstantly by himself and was later trained by the famed Kakashi Hatake.

His education was anything but neglected, if anything he gained very special, no beyond special education.

Used your head child if Naruto grew with Kurama it would have never happen because Obito would have had Kurama and the world would have died in a dream.Thus in order for Naruto to grow up He needed to have Kurama in Him or Have both parents alive because had Obito gotten Kurama back then,He would have completed the Moon eye plan years ago when Naruto was in diapers and had no opposition. What can’t the young think of the long term affects of an action?

 

[lndra]

But those whiskers did it give Boruto and hima some kurama chakra too or is it just a hereditary trait from Naruto/Kushina being a Jin?

Just there for show. Kishimoto said that Boruto's eyes are softer than Naruto's, because he isn't a fox.

^Movie Design for the Zai no Sho.

He pretty much confirmed those whiskers don't give anything. If he did have some hidden power, like Himawari's Byakugan, he would of activated it in the Movie. Though like someone said, there's always room for a retcon.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Without kurama iruka level chakra no durability or recovery speed pathetic chakra. His style would have to change maybe more sly ish no futon Rasen shuriken.
So high chunin level at best

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Better question would be how would Sasuke be if he didn't have his Sharingan :heh:

Sasuke without Sharingan won't be Sasuke. So I don't think that's exactly a "better question"... Just saying.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't FTG made from seals of Uzumaki's techs? If Naruto learned those from Kushina wouldn't it be enough for him to copy Minato's style?

No. Tobirama created FTG and he most probably didn't know much about Uzumaki seals. That was thought to Minato by Kushina.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Sasuke without Sharingan won't be Sasuke. So I don't think that's exactly a "better question"... Just saying.



No. Tobirama created FTG and he most probably didn't know much about Uzumaki seals. That was thought to Minato by Kushina.

Than what exactly was taught to Minato from Kushina?

 

[shelke]

Taking Kurama out of the equation changes everything as he learned all of his major techs by abusing the 'natural mixing of chakra and greater stamina and the ability to spring back on ones feet' - confirmed by Kakashi a few times. Once you take that out, he's left with good chakra and very little talent. I am sorry, but making 1000 clones to create a tech by greedily amassing their experience isn't talent. Not by any stretch of imagination.

He perfected - in his way anyway - the Rasengan and KB because Kurama allowed him to spring back on his feat without any repercussions. Kakashi confirms it, that the more clones you make, the more exhaustion is added to the over all pakage as well. He also leanred Sage Mode by divinding up the time. So, let's throw this 'talent' notion out of the park.

Just because Minato learned the seals doesn't mean Naruto can. This analogy doesn't even make any sense, as Minato is a 'once in a decade' prodigy. Naruto is an idiot who was shown to be incapable of grasping basic concepts and is taunted on the same front by just about everyone. Sure, he has had his 'smart' moments, but that is something almost every character managed.

Heck, the guy had no clue that he was amassing the Bunshins experience, when he had literally read the scroll himself. He was still incapable of forming a one-hand complete Rasangan-tech at the end despite possessing countless decades worth of experince under his belt. If that doesn't scream talentless, then I don't know what does.

Naruto learning some complicated seals is fiction. His entire progress proves that he won't be able to. I can see him learning Rasangan by the time he reaches adulthood, as without Kurama that cut-short time for learning techs tricks isn't happening. FRS? Yeah, I don't think so. Sage Mode? An imperfect one is all I will give him.

What else? He'll he mid-Jounin level without Kurama, at most. People forget, that Kurama played an integral part in his recovery from clones and to get a hang of them in the first place. Without Kurama, Naruto would be pretty pedestrain, given the fact that he doesn't even possess the pure Uzumaki genes, proven by Kabuto.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Taking Kurama out of the equation changes everything as he learned all of his major techs by abusing the 'natural mixing of chakra and greater stamina and the ability to spring back on ones feat' - confirmed by Kakashi a few times. Once you take that out, he's left with good chakra and very little talent. I am sorry, but making 1000 clones to create a tech by greedily amassing their experience isn't talent. Not by any stretch of imagination.

He perfected - in his way anyway - the Rasengan and KB because Kurama allowed him to spring back on his feat without any repercussions. Kakashi confirms it, that the more clones you make, the more exhaustion is added to the over all pakage as well. He also leanred Sage Mode by divinding up the time. So, let's throw this 'talent' notion out of the park.

Just because Minato learned the seals doesn't mean Naruto can. This analogy doesn't even make any sense, as Minato is a 'once in a decade' prodigy. Naruto is an idiot who was shown to be incapable of grasping basic concepts and is taunted on the same front by just about everyone. Sure, he has had his 'smart' moments, but that is something almost every character managed.

Heck, the guy had no clue that he was amassing the Bunshins experience, when he had literally read the scroll himself. He was still incapable of forming a one-hand complete Rasangan-tech at the end despite possessing countless decades worth of experince under his belt. If that doesn't scream talentless, then I don't know what does.

Naruto learning some complicated seals is fiction. His entire progress proves that he won't be able to. I can see him learning Rasangan by the time he reaches adulthood, as without Kurama that cut-short time for learning techs tricks isn't happening. FRS? Yeah, I don't think so. Sage Mode? An imperfect one is all I will give him.

What else? He'll he mid-Jounin level without Kurama, at most. People forget, that Kurama played an integral part in his recovery from clones and to get a hang of them in the first place. Without Kurama, Naruto would be pretty pedestrain, given the fact that he doesn't even possess the pure Uzumaki genes, proven by Kabuto.

true, unless Minato and Kushina live on then He would be Perfect Sage with FTG and bunch cool skills, use more strategy and various techniques, including nature using techniques .

 

[shelke]

true, unless Minato and Kushina live on then He would be Perfect Sage with FTG and bunch cool skills, use more strategy and various techniques, including nature using techniques .

Probably. He isn't intelligent though. Minato was a prodigy, so putting Naruto at that level doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Styles]

Just there for show. Kishimoto said that Boruto's eyes are softer than Naruto's, because he isn't a fox.

^Movie Design for the Zai no Sho.

He pretty much confirmed those whiskers don't give anything. If he did have some hidden power, like Himawari's Byakugan, he would of activated it in the Movie. Though like someone said, there's always room for a retcon.

XD That's actually what I was trying to say those whiskers don't mean he took after kurama or got his chakra but it was hereditary(from Naruto). And kurama's chakra isn't and can't be passed down.

 

[Tyris]

Rasengan using/spamming(?) fodder... minus huge plot shield to save him once negged.

Sorry forgot about vote1 he'd be dead/disabled on Le Sauce's arm or dead since taiju kage bunshin wouldnt be happening to save himself and iruka or dead from the oro's snake at chuunin exam...

Or non ninja without kurama healing him after a vote's hefty stomp.

But Le Sauce would be weaker w/o sharingan but still be pretty versatile. He actually had shit lightweight going for him before academy, sharingan, & cs. He had more than most of his gen except Lee & Neji who were the only real 3 with some actual skill considering ino-shika-cho werent solo ready by comparison compared to those 3 genuises/prodigies.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

People ignoring the fact that without Kurama his chakra control is better & his father helps breakdown FTG for him as well as telling him about mass shadow clone training earlier. That's like the xp of 50 people at least going to one person every day without Kurama being a nuisance.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Than what exactly was taught to Minato from Kushina?

The Uzumaki sealing techniques...

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Taking Kurama out of the equation changes everything as he learned all of his major techs by abusing the 'natural mixing of chakra and greater stamina and the ability to spring back on ones feet' - confirmed by Kakashi a few times. Once you take that out, he's left with good chakra and very little talent. I am sorry, but making 1000 clones to create a tech by greedily amassing their experience isn't talent. Not by any stretch of imagination.

He perfected - in his way anyway - the Rasengan and KB because Kurama allowed him to spring back on his feat without any repercussions. Kakashi confirms it, that the more clones you make, the more exhaustion is added to the over all pakage as well. He also leanred Sage Mode by divinding up the time. So, let's throw this 'talent' notion out of the park.

Just because Minato learned the seals doesn't mean Naruto can. This analogy doesn't even make any sense, as Minato is a 'once in a decade' prodigy. Naruto is an idiot who was shown to be incapable of grasping basic concepts and is taunted on the same front by just about everyone. Sure, he has had his 'smart' moments, but that is something almost every character managed.

Heck, the guy had no clue that he was amassing the Bunshins experience, when he had literally read the scroll himself. He was still incapable of forming a one-hand complete Rasangan-tech at the end despite possessing countless decades worth of experince under his belt. If that doesn't scream talentless, then I don't know what does.

Naruto learning some complicated seals is fiction. His entire progress proves that he won't be able to. I can see him learning Rasangan by the time he reaches adulthood, as without Kurama that cut-short time for learning techs tricks isn't happening. FRS? Yeah, I don't think so. Sage Mode? An imperfect one is all I will give him.

What else? He'll he mid-Jounin level without Kurama, at most. People forget, that Kurama played an integral part in his recovery from clones and to get a hang of them in the first place. Without Kurama, Naruto would be pretty pedestrain, given the fact that he doesn't even possess the pure Uzumaki genes, proven by Kabuto.

This post is brilliant! Most perfect observation, deduction and conclusion... Pretty logical and accurate, I'd say.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Dat wanking to something that's already been proved wrong

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

The Uzumaki sealing techniques...

Ok than name those techs.

 

[Dantee]

NAruto can't learn ftg. Everyone forgot u need to actually be smart to learn that. I can see Sasuke mastering that shi no prob