naruto 9tsb

[Warlocks]

I heard that naruto 9tsb from his rsm not from tails beast
is it true can any1 confirm that

 

[FreeTanner17]

U wot m8?

 

[ANiMUS]

It's false and true at the same time. :|
To prove this all u need to do is look at JJ Obito.

Without RSM, but still possessing the Juubi chakra JJ Obito had Omnyuton which has all of what TSBs have with the exception of Nature Energy and without that Nature Energy the Omnyuton is imperfect.

Only RSM with the Juubi chakra and it's Nature Energy are able to produce TSB which is Omnyuton's perfected form

That being said the fact that JJ Obito with Juubi chakra, but no RSM was able to produce 90% of what would be TSB proves that Juubi/ Bijuu chakra is essential, but the 9 complete orbs won't form without RSM

 

[Eng nawashi]

DB says it is from RSM

Truthseeker Orbs

Listed as just a Ninjutsu (not Kekkei Mōra), used by Madara, Obito, and Naruto. It says that when an individual manifests (literally "blossoms" 開花) Six Paths Senjutsu, black orbs comprising the power of all five elements and yin-yang appear, forming a circle that floats behind them. They can manipulate each orb independently. Each orb is about the size of a fist and hides within enough power to completely obliterate a forest. With the power of Creation of All Things, put simply, the shape of the black orbs can be freely altered, and the many natures comprising them can be combined to manifest a variety of effects. It is a power that easily exceeds both Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Tōta.

PS: I need to make a minor (okay, somewhat major) correction on the Truthseeker Orbs thing.

I accidentally translated the phrase shinra bansho as "creation of all things," but it actually means "all of creation" or "everything in the universe." It's not saying that they're using the Ninjutsu "Creation of All Things" to manipulate/control the Truthseeker Orbs, but rather that they're using "the power of the universe".

 

[Gerkak]

It's false and true at the same time. :|
To prove this all u need to do is look at JJ Obito.

Without RSM, but still possessing the Juubi chakra JJ Obito had Omnyuton which has all of what TSBs have with the exception of Nature Energy and without that Nature Energy the Omnyuton is imperfect.

Only RSM with the Juubi chakra and it's Nature Energy are able to produce TSB which is Omnyuton's perfected form

That being said the fact that JJ Obito with Juubi chakra, but no RSM was able to produce 90% of what would be TSB proves that Juubi/ Bijuu chakra is essential

Omnyoton = yin-yang release iirc, how does that equal all that TSB have when TSB= 5 elements + omnyoton? :|

 

[ANiMUS]

Omnyoton = yin-yang release iirc, how does that equal all that TSB have when TSB= 5 elements + omnyoton? :|

Hiruzen already stated that Obito's Omnyuton used multiple elements :| at least 4 putting it above KKT

 

[Gerkak]

Hiruzen already stated that Obito's Omnyuton used multiple elements :|

He said the weapons(TSB) not omnyoton:|. Hiruzen never mentioned omnyoton, tobirama did :|

 

[ANiMUS]

He said the weapons(TSB) not omnyoton:|. Hiruzen never mentioned omnyoton, tobirama did :|

What weapons? Omnyuton was the only thing Obito had at that time. Or r u saying the black substance itself wasn't Omnyuton?

 

[Gerkak]

What weapons? Omnyuton was the only thing Obito had at that time

omnyoton literally means yin-yang release. hiruzen was describing TSB(he didn't know the name of the technique) not omnyoton. Onmyoton was only added to the TSB when obito gained control, that is why hiruzen regenerated while minato didn't.

TSB and omnyoton are not the same thing, omnyoton is part of TSB not the other way aroundU_U

 

[BlacLord™]

DB says it is from RSM

No, it comes from Six Paths Senjutsu, not Six Paths Sage Mode; closely related, but not the same. Hence why they didn't manifest in Gaiden, because he was using Rikudou chakra, but not Rikudou Senjutsu, as explained by the lack of markings on his back.

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[Gerkak]

No, it comes from Six Paths Senjutsu, not Six Paths Sage Mode; closely related, but not the same. Hence why they didn't manifest in Gaiden, because he was using Rikudou chakra, but not Rikudou Senjutsu, as explained by the lack of markings on his back.

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Huh? Isn't rikudo senjutsu just rikudo chakra+natural energy, since even regular senjutsu is chakra+natural energy. If naruto is using RSM he must be using rikudo senjutsu as well.

Senjutsu can be used without SM but SM can't be used without senjutsu. I don't know why he doesn't have the markings though

 

[ANiMUS]

omnyoton literally means yin-yang release. hiruzen was describing TSB(he didn't know the name of the technique) not omnyoton. Onmyoton was only added to the TSB when obito gained control, that is why hiruzen regenerated while minato didn't.

TSB and omnyoton are not the same thing, omnyoton is part of TSB not the other way aroundU_U

So in other words Obito had TSB b4 RSM?

 

[Gerkak]

So in other words Obito had TSB b4 RSM?

How would he have it before rikudo senjutsu? TSB are a combination of all 5 elements + yin-yang release. Having all elements doesn't mean one can combine them, otherwise kakashi would be able to use lava style for example.

Also obito only had yin release and yang release seperately before becoming a jinchuriki, one only gains the ability to use omnyoton when they acquire the rikudo's chakra, at least this is what the DB suggests(but the DB isn't absolute it seems).

 

[ANiMUS]

How would he have it before rikudo senjutsu? TSB are a combination of all 5 elements + yin-yang release. Having all elements doesn't mean one can combine them, otherwise kakashi would be able to use lava style for example.

Also obito only had yin release and yang release seperately before becoming a jinchuriki, one only gains the ability to use omnyoton when they acquire the rikudo's chakra, at least this is what the DB suggests(but the DB isn't absolute it seems).

No when Obito was a jinchuuriki and b4 gaining RSM the black substance similar to TSB that he was using was said to contain 4+ nature transformations. The Omnyuton reference wasn't until he gained RSM though

 

[Gerkak]

No when Obito was a jinchuuriki and b4 gaining RSM the black substance similar to TSB that he was using was said to contain 4+ nature transformations. The Omnyuton reference wasn't until he gained RSM though

Rikudo senjutsu is awakened once a character becomes the juubi's jinchuriki, whether they are in control of their body or not doesn't matter. The black substance is TSB(the manga does not allude to it being a different technique), omnyoton was added later by obito when he regained control over his body.

 

[ANiMUS]

Rikudo senjutsu is awakened once a character becomes the juubi's jinchuriki, whether they are in control of their body or not doesn't matter. The black substance is TSB(the manga does not allude to it being a different technique), omnyoton was added later by obito when he regained control over his body.

But because Obito lacked the markings I doubt he was in RSM at that time. Not only that upon awakening RSM according to the DB black orbs are supposed to appear on your back not two spheres in your hands

In orderror to call that mode RSM there has to be some resemblance.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Potato.

 

[Gerkak]

But because Obito lacked the markings I doubt he was in RSM at that time. Not only that upon awakening RSM according to the DB black orbs are supposed to appear on your back not two spheres in your hands

In orderror to call that mode RSM there has to be some resemblance.

Lol you are using DB? Well the data book lists naruto as the only user of RSM, what madara and obito used is six paths ten-tails coffin seal. Both are rikudo senjutsu but naruto's initial form(which is RSM) has no bijuu chakra requirement while maddy and obito's form does.

There goes your semblance. And obito did have the markings

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[Jokule67]

Huh? Isn't rikudo senjutsu just rikudo chakra+natural energy, since even regular senjutsu is chakra+natural energy. If naruto is using RSM he must be using rikudo senjutsu as well.

Senjutsu can be used without SM but SM can't be used without senjutsu. I don't know why he doesn't have the markings though

I think he is implying that Naruto was only using Six Paths Chakra+Bijuu chakra. But that makes no sense as his eyes are RSM. And Senjutsu is the byproduct of Sage Mode. Every jutsu used in Sage mode is Senjutsu.

 

[Gerkak]

I think he is implying that Naruto was only using Six Paths Chakra+Bijuu chakra. But that makes no sense as his eyes are RSM. And Senjutsu is the byproduct of Sage Mode. Every jutsu used in Sage mode is Senjutsu.

Indeed, senjutsu can be used without SM(through CM and a contribution of another senjutsu user or source) but one can't use SM without senjutsu