[Discussion] Does God have a plan?

[ComplexCity]

I don't even need to respond to this, i just need to put it in bold.

I mean doesn't just calling it like I sees it

Actually, it does in a sense. If morals separate right from wrong, good from evil, as God intended and made so, then they'd apply to God as well because is capable of right and wrong.

Ok so when does God display evil? I'll wait, you tried making sense of the bible before and we all know how that turned out

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ok so when does God display evil? I'll wait you tried making sense of the bible before and we all know how that turned out

Well, from the standpoint of the morals we know, God has displayed evil on numerous occasions. My personal favorite is when God murdered a group of children with bears because they taunted a prophet for his baldness. Of course, this is by human standards. There are those that argue that you can't hold God to human standards, but that sounds like a convenient way of saying that no matter what God does, he is right simply for being divine, which is a cop out.

Another example could be the flood of Noah's day. God created the flood because the earth was filled with wickedness. The Bible said that God gave humans the chance to change through Noah's invitation onto the arc and warning of the impending flood. But, this can be seen as irresponsible and arguably cruel by God. He can communicate with humans, he can prove his existence and divinity as easily as it takes a human being to breathe, but chose instead to relay his message to one man in the middle of the desert and let the lives of millions if not billions rest on whether or not everyone believed what this one random man said.

To put it in perspective, if one random dude today said he heard God tell him everyone must go to Egypt by next month or suffer holy wrath, would you believe him?

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Ok so when does God display evil? I'll wait, you tried making sense of the bible before and we all know how that turned out

Flooding the world and killing every living creature on it because he didn't like what some of the humans were up to.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Why do people who don't know anything about Christianity try to debate about what is in Christianity? Are you aware of the Nephlim?

You mean the 42 children? Who were also the Asyrians? The common enemy of the Israelites? So Riker, please since I don't seem to be familiar with these children, link me to that verse. I'm pretty sure the Asyrians were wicked but heck, here's an atheist trying to school a Christian so please show me

Regardless of the context, this is still god killing people for no reason other than "They were wicked". Thats good enough for me to say he's a bastard.

Oh, and no one knows what a Nephilim was supposed to be. I know the quote "The nephilim were on the earth in those day and also after when the sons of god went down to the daughters of man who bore children to them" but that means nothing.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You mean the 42 children? Who were also the Asyrians? The common enemy of the Israelites? So Riker, please since I don't seem to be familiar with these children, link me to that verse. I'm pretty sure the Asyrians were wicked but heck, here's an atheist trying to school a Christian so please show me

Sure.

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Says here they were killed simply because the prophet Elisha cursed them in the name of the Lord.

Also check the flood example and explanation.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

You mean the 42 children? Who were also the Asyrians? The common enemy of the Israelites? So Riker, please since I don't seem to be familiar with these children, link me to that verse. I'm pretty sure the Asyrians were wicked but heck, here's an atheist trying to school a Christian so please show me

Why do people who don't know anything about Christianity try to debate about what is in Christianity? Are you aware of the Nephlim?

So I guess the soldiers who also kill children in war are bastards too. Darn them

Are you telling me the enemy faction of another faction is also the enemy of a deity? That gives the deity moral immunity to kill them? Sure, humans can kill them, because we are just lowly humans. But God is supposed to be on a higher platform entirely. He has the power to end conflicts without violence, and yet he doesn't. He goes ahead and kills them. The neurological disorder Alexithymia everybody!

The Nephlim are born from angels and humans. And your point is? God has the power to end conflicts without violence, and yet he kills anyway. And in one of the most destructive manners possible without destroying the earth itself.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

So I guess the soldiers who also kill children in war are bastards too. Darn them

Yes, they are. Killing innocent civilians is a war crime.

 

[ComplexCity]

Sure.

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Says here they were killed simply because the prophet Elisha cursed them in the name of the Lord.

Also check the flood example and explanation.

Hmm guess I got a little confused. Different culture has difference consequences which people don't like to hear but hey it's the truth

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

and before we misunderstand each other I don't mean to bash islam at all. as you probably know cause ive said it before ive been to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kuwait and theres is a lot of great history and a lot of peacefull mulims. but the imbeeding thing is real and even though son-mother,daughter-father-brother-sister and a few other direct family is forbidden. your cousin still shares to much dna to be creating children it may not have an effect right of the bat but generations of imbeeding will have ill effects mentally and physically. this has been shown time and time again in history. heres another example so you don't feel im singling out islam. back in the day in England wealthy families would marry each other to avoid splitting up the families estates and this created a lot of health issues and sometimes ended the bloodline due to infertility. just saying with modern education cousin cousin relationships should not be happening because it is only dampening that families gene pool

Increased chance? Maybe. I still believe the numbers are exaggerated. This is from a Muslim meaning I've been around many other Muslims, never seen anything like rat people.

It's fine that you believe cousins marrying is wrong. I can respect that.

Just don't believe that Islam tells us to worship people with birth defects. These people are just mixing in their ignorance with religion. It is a major sin to worship anything aside from God, in Islam.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Hmm guess I got a little confused. Different culture has difference consequences which people don't like to hear but hey it's the truth

Different cul..are you ****ing joking? He cursed children to die because they called him bald in the name of God and God did it violently and cruelly. Stop being blind.

So I guess the soldiers who also kill children in war are bastards too. Darn them

YES

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Different cul..are you ****ing joking?

Basically, it's the "saving face" maneuver.

 

[ComplexCity]

Are you telling me the enemy faction of another faction is also the enemy of a deity? That gives the deity moral immunity to kill them? Sure, humans can kill them, because we are just lowly humans. But God is supposed to be on a higher platform entirely. He has the power to end conflicts without violence, and yet he doesn't. He goes ahead and kills them. The neurological disorder Alexithymia everybody!

The Nephlim are born from angels and humans. And your point is? God has the power to end conflicts without violence, and yet he kills anyway. And in one of the most destructive manners possible without destroying the earth itself.

The Nephlim were fallen angels which are demons

And I got that mixed up with another verse. But if you knew the law, you'd know what the law is and you'd know why they died.

1 Timothy 5:1King James Version (KJV)

5 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;






Ephesians 6:1-4King James Version (KJV)

6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The Nephlim were fallen angels which are demons

And I got that mixed up with another verse. But if you knew the law, you'd know what the law is and you'd know why they died.

1 Timothy 5:1King James Version (KJV)

5 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;






Ephesians 6:1-4King James Version (KJV)

6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

OHHHHH THE LAWWWW

The LAWWWW made it okay.

I guess any white man 150 years ago who castrated his slave, beat his slave, or straight up murdered his slave as punishment for trying to escape, rebelling or simply because he could wasn't a bad person because the law and culture of the time permitted it.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

The Nephlim were fallen angels which are demons

And I got that mixed up with another verse. But if you knew the law, you'd know what the law is and you'd know why they died.

1 Timothy 5:1King James Version (KJV)

5 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;






Ephesians 6:1-4King James Version (KJV)

6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Sudden death by bears and eternity in hell seems to outweigh laughing at a bald man.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

1 Timothy 5:1King James Version (KJV)

5 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;






Ephesians 6:1-4King James Version (KJV)

6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Excuse me mister, but you seem to be pulling out the reason why humans are not allowed to sin, but not God. See, humans, because they are flawed and born of sin, can be understood why they sin. But God? Why would he need to sin? He doesn't have to. There are alternatives to not sin where both parties can benefit. But he sins anyway. Despite being able to not sin. Why?

 

[ComplexCity]

OHHHHH THE LAWWWW

The LAWWWW made it okay.

I guess any white man 150 years ago who castrated his slave, beat his slave, or straight up murdered his slave as punishment for trying to escape, rebelling or simply because he could wasn't a bad person because the law and culture of the time permitted it.

Show me in the law where it said human beings were legally allowed to be slaves



If you're hungry and you steal do you not go to jail despite what sympathy and compassion you may win over on people? Is it not a law that you go to jail for commiting a crime?

 

[Lance171]

Increased chance? Maybe. I still believe the numbers are exaggerated. This is from a Muslim meaning I've been around many other Muslims, never seen anything like rat people.

It's fine that you believe cousins marrying is wrong. I can respect that.

Just don't believe that Islam tells us to worship people with birth defects. These people are just mixing in their ignorance with religion. It is a major sin to worship anything aside from God, in Islam.

ok I respect what you've said and im an open minded guy im always willing to listen and learn. I think you may of been right about the cultural thing the rat people may be a pakisti/afghani thing and I think the video touched on it there not worshipped as god but someone who speaks to god. idk well I didn't mean to insult you if anything my original comment wasn't to bash but more concern for people the religion thing idc I believe in all religions and that they're all basically saying the same thing if people could recognize this we as a species would be way better off. I also believe in life on other planets and that god as we think of is probably a lot bigger than what we think.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Show me in the law where it said human beings were legally allowed to be slaves



If you're hungry and you steal do you not go to jail despite what sympathy and compassion you may win over on people? Is it not a law that you go to jail for commiting a crime?

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ

 

[ComplexCity]

Excuse me mister, but you seem to be pulling out the reason why humans are not allowed to sin, but not God. See, humans, because they are flawed and born of sin, can be understood why they sin. But God? Why would he need to sin? He doesn't have to. There are alternatives to not sin where both parties can benefit. But he sins anyway. Despite being able to not sin. Why?

I implore you to show me in the bible where killing sin in the name of the lord is wrong when he himself is the epitome of what is pure and good. He even states in the bible that he himself will eliminate sin (notice how Elijah didn't kill the sinners). Show me a law where it says God isn't suppose to kill off sin

 

[Punk Hazard]

Show me in the law where it said human being were legally allowed to be slaves

I actually meant the law of America buuuut

Leviticus 25:44-46New International Version (NIV)

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Matthew 18:25: "But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made."

This one tells slaves to treat their masters like they would Christ
Ephesians 6:5-9: "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."

1 Timothy 6:1-2New International Version (NIV)

6 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare[a] of their slaves.