Sasuke vs Gai, Obito, Kakashi, Minato

[BLAZE]

And yeah if Shikamaru leads Guy, Minato and Juubito, they rapes Sasuke too.

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What are u smoking.Cocaine :|
There is something called Rikudo chakra

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Minato gives kakashi full kurama and he solos.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Now you are making more sense, but why would a portion of Obito's power boost Kurama and Susanoo to a level beyond Sasuke's? Who has half of Hagoromo's power. A portion of Obito's power should be inferior to a portion of Madara's, which is what Kakashi has. Thus Kakashi's Susanoo gets a bit stronger while Minato's Avatar gets a boost inferior to what Kakashi got, thus it's still far below Sasuke's PS in power.

Chidori=BD, and one BD is already strong enough to damage Sasuke/Naruto's Avatars. Chidori is more focused. Chidori runs through PS and Kurama and kills anyone who isn't Kakashi.

And no, this is not the same as when Jugo transferred Senjutsu directly to Sasuke's Susanoo nor is there any evidence he can do that.



Addressed above. Naruto's feats are irrelevant here, and Half Kurama taking the Juubi laser is irrelevant when all of Sasuke's attacks surpass that overrated ass laser.



If Kakashi gets involved, Sasuke one shots his Susanoo with Chidori and then wrecks the clones with his swords. Not sure how Obito is going to immobilize Susanoo when:

-He's not physically superior to it.
-Gudo Dama were only large enough to bind Sasuke and Naruto's Avatars before the boost. They are much larger after the boost, thus this strategy fails.
-Chakra arms get cut.



He doesn't need to be a sensor to deal with all of them. He doesn't need to tell which Minato is real because Minato is fodder and he can literally wipe him and his clones out in one shot. Kakashi can try to warp a clone onto Susanoo, but that's a good way to die since he'd need to do close range warping, and that requires him to solidify himself, and when he does, Ameno+Any attack=Dead Kakashi.




Honestly, if Kakashi tries engaging Sasuke's Susanoo in CQC, he gets wrecked with little effort. Not sure if I should take the rest of this terrible post seriously. A bijuu sized Toad pins/crushes Perfect Susanoo? :lol.

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I have one thing to add that i just thought about. Since Sasuke can channel his lightning through his susanoo shouldn't he be able to channel his lightning into his susanoo's swords? Kakashi's own swords clashing with that get cut through like butter.

 

[Eng nawashi]

I wouldn't compare Naruto's half Kurama avatar boosted by SM and Rikudo chakra with BSM Minato's, lmao. That's the worse argument you could ever use on this thread.

Tho i do think KG is overrating the difference between Sasuke's and Kakashi's PS, but, Sasuke is still the winner of this fight.

There is no gap between kakashi’s PS and sasuke’s PS
-"even if it is little piece of chakra, it still has the same potency"Obito uchiha, meaning the little chakra Kin and Gin took from kyiubi had the same potency of kyiubi whole chakra manga fact , the chakra absorbed from hachibi tail had the same potency of hachibi whole chakra manga fact ,with the same why the rikudo chakra that obito stole from Madara has the same potency of Madara’s whole rikudo chakra except that madara has tons of what obito stole.
-Not to mention that sasuke has no access to rikudo chakra without the seal but whatever.

 

[BLAZE]

-"even if it is little piece of chakra, it still has the same potency"

lol bro
So u mean Rinnegan Madara's PS equal Rinnegan Sasuke's PS

 

[Great Master Minato]

Hmmm... you really got me there.

Then why was Obito so sure that if he warped Minato away it was over?

They said that the principle behind Hiraishin and Summoning was the same, but they never once said that they are exactly the same. Summoning being able to call the hawk and Naruto and co to/back from Kaguya's dimension only means that summoning can do that. Minato's wariness of getting dragged into Kamui is evidence that Hiraishin can't escape from dimensions.

Guys, there's something called "No Intel"
Minato didn't know anything about Kamui nor Obito had any significant intel on FTG.
Let's say someone tries to grab you from behind & warp to some who knows place, what will you do? Escape while you can or waiting for him to do his job then try to figure out what happened? (if you're not already dead!)

 

[KidGamer65]

Guys, there's something called "No Intel"
Minato didn't know anything about Kamui nor Obito had any significant intel on FTG.
Let's say someone tries to grab you from behind & warp to some who knows place, what will you do? Escape while you can or waiting for him to do his job then try to figure out what happened? (if you're not already dead!)

Still completely irrelevant. Summoning's feats don't go to Hiraishin as they are not the same jutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

There is no gap between kakashi’s PS and sasuke’s PS
-"even if it is little piece of chakra, it still has the same potency"Obito uchiha, meaning the little chakra Kin and Gin took from kyiubi had the same potency of kyiubi whole chakra manga fact , the chakra absorbed from hachibi tail had the same potency of hachibi whole chakra manga fact ,with the same why the rikudo chakra that obito stole from Madara has the same potency of Madara’s whole rikudo chakra except that madara has tons of what obito stole.
-Not to mention that sasuke has no access to rikudo chakra without the seal but whatever.

Can you Kakashi fans stop spouting this BS? Rikudo's power, along with any other power, is a boost to what you already have.

Sasuke>>Kakashi and Obito in chakra power.

Give them both the same kind of power, and:

Sasuke>>Kakashi and Obito in chakra power still.


Not to mention this nonsense implies that Obito and Madara have equal chakra once obtaining the Juubi's power, even though Minato outright stated that Madara's Rikudo power is stronger. So no, a piece of MADARA's power is not the same as a piece of Hagoromo's power. What's next?

Hamura=Hagoromo=Kaguya=Naruto=Sasuke=JJ Obito=Toneri=Madara=Kakashi=DMS Obito in chakra power?

BM Naruto=Kinkaku and Ginkaku in chakra power?

The craziest part is, you use Kin and Gin as evidence, yet Kin and Gin are nowhere near as powerful as KN6 Naruto despite having the chakra to enter KN6. Stop trying to glorify your fav at every possible chance.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Can you Kakashi fans stop spouting this BS? Rikudo's power, along with any other power, is a boost to what you already have.
Sasuke>>Kakashi and Obito in chakra power.
Give them both the same kind of power, and:

Sasuke>>Kakashi and Obito in chakra power still.

Not if this chakra boost dwarfs yours in power unless you are suggesting that if BM Naruto gave JJ Madara a Kuarma Cloak ,Madara chakra would be 6x stronger Lol

Not to mention this nonsense implies that Obito and Madara have equal chakra once obtaining the Juubi's power, even though Minato outright stated that Madara's Rikudo power is stronger.

No ,Minato said he feels rikudo power more than it was in obito

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So no, a piece of MADARA's power is not the same as a piece of Hagoromo's power. What's next?

Ofc but there isn't huge gap ,not to mention we can't even determine whose chakra is stronger ,jiubi or hagromo .

BM Naruto=Kinkaku and Ginkaku in chakra power?

The craziest part is, you use Kin and Gin as evidence, yet Kin and Gin are nowhere near as powerful as KN6 Naruto despite having the chakra to enter KN6. Stop trying to glorify your fav at every possible chance.

You are arguing against manga facts ,Kin and Gin kuarma chakra potency = kuarma whole chakra potency ,Manga fact .and yes if kin or gin used some jutsu with kuarma chakra and Naruto used the same jutsu with kuarma chakra ,the two jutsu would be as strong if they use the same amount of chakra

For example ,just say 1Rin JJ Madara kept using chakra till there was nothing left except for a portion equals the amount obito stole ,if this Madara used v3 susano ,would it be weaker than if he used it before consuming most of his chakra ?Ofc No ,1Rin JJ Madara's chakra potency is the same despite the amount he has in a certain moment ,the same case is here except that the said remained chakra has left Madara's body and went to obito's ,No reason to think that the potency of this chakra would decrease by leaving Madara's body .

Not to mention that sasuke has no access to rikudo chakra without drawing it from the seal .

 

[KidGamer65]

Not if this chakra boost dwarfs yours in power unless you are suggesting that if BM Naruto gave JJ Madara a Kuarma Cloak ,Madara chakra would be 6x stronger Lol

Stop being daft. No shit that any power far weaker than yours isn't going to do any good to you captain obvious. That isn't even relevant to the point so why are you wasting time mentioning it.

No ,Minato said he feels rikudo power more than it was in obito

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Nope. It seems you aren't comprehending the language correctly. He says he feels it MORE. He never says he feels more. He feels it more from Madara because Madara's is stronger.

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Ofc but there isn't huge gap ,not to mention we can't even determine whose chakra is stronger ,jiubi or hagromo .

:lol what? Are you kidding me? First you try to claim all Rikudo chakra is equal, then you try to claim that there isn't a huge gap when you literally have no evidence for anything you are claiming.

:lol Please stop.

Can you Kakashi fans stop spouting this BS? Rikudo's power, along with any other power, is a boost to what you already have.
Sasuke>>Kakashi and Obito in chakra power.
Give them both the same kind of power, and:

Sasuke>>Kakashi and Obito in chakra power still.

Manga disagrees with everything you are saying here. JJ Madara>>Obito in chakra power despite them both having the Juubi. Kaguya>>JJ Madara, Sasuke, Naruto in chakra power despite Kaguya:

1. Being the Juubi.
2. Being the origin of Hagoromo's chakra, which is what Sasuke and Naruto received.

So by your logic, Kaguya=Madara=Naruto=Sasuke=Obito in chakra power, even though the Manga has already stated that Kaguya's chakra is far beyond anything ever seen in this Manga. Despite Minato outright stating that JJ Madara>Juubito in chakra power.

You are arguing against manga facts ,Kin and Gin kuarma chakra potency = kuarma whole chakra potency ,Manga fact .and yes if kin or gin used some jutsu with kuarma chakra and Naruto used the same jutsu with kuarma chakra ,the two jutsu would be as strong if they use the same amount of chakra

Except that's not a Manga fact, at least not in the sense you think it is. Kinkaku and Ginkaku are canonically far weaker than KN6 despite them having chakra from the same being. Not to mention all forms of Rikudo chakra aren't the same thing, then there's the fact that it boosts your existing power. So let's cut the BS argumentation.

For example ,just say 1Rin JJ Madara kept using chakra till there was nothing left except for a portion equals the amount obito stole ,if this Madara used v3 susano ,would it be weaker than if he used it before consuming most of his chakra ?Ofc No ,1Rin JJ Madara's chakra potency is the same despite the amount he has in a certain moment ,the same case is here except that the said remained chakra has left Madara's body and went to obito's ,No reason to think that the potency of this chakra would decrease by leaving Madara's body .

Terrible example for the reasons already stated. What's worse is that you didn't even address the reasons that make your argument completely false. :lol.

Not to mention that sasuke has no access to rikudo chakra without drawing it from the seal .

Fanfiction at it's finest. Sasuke and Naruto got Hagoromo's chakra and they got the sealing tattoos for the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei. When they used the tattoos, they lost the seals. They kept the halves of his chakra that he passed to them. Otherwise Naruto wouldn't have RSM or Gudo Dama at VoTE, which both require Hagoromo's power.

 

[EZQ]

Still completely irrelevant. Summoning's feats don't go to Hiraishin as they are not the same jutsu.

BUT

Obito was so sure that if Minato was warped away it was over. But Minato has summoning and could use reverse summoning to get out from the dimension.

So Minato was in fact able to get out of Kamui dimension? I don't think so, i just think Kishi ****ed up with the hawk.

Neither FTG or summoning should be able to get out of the kamui dimension, since it's dimensional travel.

 

[KidGamer65]

BUT

Obito was so sure that if Minato was warped away it was over. But Minato has summoning and could use reverse summoning to get out from the dimension.

So Minato was in fact able to get out of Kamui dimension? I don't think so, i just think Kishi ****ed up with the hawk.

Neither FTG or summoning should be able to get out of the kamui dimension, since it's dimensional travel.

Like Great Master Minato said, he had no intel. Thus he had no idea where he would be going, so using this as an argument doesn't help either. Summoning is inter dimensional, Hiraishin isn't. That's all the hawk instance means. Not to mention he did it again when he had Hagoromo and co summon Naruto and friends from Kaguya's dimension, so there's no way he messed up on the second one when it's a major event.

 

[Ambivalence]

Minato didn't know anything about Kamui nor Obito had any significant intel on FTG.

That doesn't sound right. Obito was not an idiot and knew how FTG worked. There is no explanation on why he was still trying trying to warp Minato despite knowing that Minato could theoretically just teleport back. Except there is one: Obito was confident that Minato could not escape the dimension by just warping to one of his kunais in the real dimension, which had to have been for a reason.

Also, wasn't it said somewhere that Minato has the be able to feel the chakra of the mark to be able to warp to it? I doubt he could do that across dimensions.

 

[KidGamer65]

I have one thing to add that i just thought about. Since Sasuke can channel his lightning through his susanoo shouldn't he be able to channel his lightning into his susanoo's swords? Kakashi's own swords clashing with that get cut through like butter.

Theoretically he can. And if he could, then yeah, he'd cut right through Kakashi's sword.

 

[EZQ]

That doesn't sound right. Obito was not an idiot and knew how FTG worked. There is no explanation on why he was still trying trying to warp Minato despite knowing that Minato could theoretically just teleport back. Except there is one: Obito was confident that Minato could not escape the dimension by just warping to one of his kunais in the real dimension, which had to have been for a reason.

Also, wasn't it said somewhere that Minato has the be able to feel the chakra of the mark to be able to warp to it? I doubt he could do that across dimensions.

Minato could have escaped via reverse summoning anyways. FTG is not interdimensional, while summoning is.

Obito either didn't have knowledge on Minato's summoning, or, (what i think) Kishi just ****ed up with summoning being interdimensional travel on the last arc.

 

[Ambivalence]

The reason the summoning worked was most likely because Kaguya's dimension is somehow different from Obito's, probably something do with the fact that Obito himself created that dimension in a different part of space, while all we know about Kaguya's dimensions is that they're connected to eachother. Although I'm entering speculation area here, I heavily doubt summoning would work in Kamui's pocket dimension, and Obito not knowing Minato had a contract is a weak excuse since he was his student for years, meaning that there was a high chance Minato at least told his students of the toads, not to mention the fact that most high-class Konoha ninjas had contracts at that time, so him not assuming that is almost impossible.

Again, he wouldn't have been that confident that warping Minato would've been K.O if the latter could have just reversed summoned.

 

[Unorthodox]

1-Gai was literally running circles around Madara without him even reacting.

Child please

Madara seen all of gai movements even when he attack Madara defends

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Madara's sees gai clearly, Blocks his next attack aswell

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This is when Madara gets Hit

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He only got hit because the EE was still going on his first defense while that was happening gai hit him in his back after that Madara was disoriented thus multiply EE landing.

Madara didn't even bother to dodge or cover since he had already gained Kakashi's kamui eye

Madara could not even move a muscle he thought that almost everyone who is blitz or about to be blitz processes a though him being immortal or having kamui means jack shit, When he bothered to defend against Minato's rasengan which would have done nothing if Madara truly could react he would have warped away before Sasuke chopped him in half.

Your example only explains they're both faster than Madara. But Gai is a lot faster, since he disorted space, and he was literally speed blitzing Madara from every possible angle almost simultaneously, forcing Madara to use TSB shield.

Nope Gai is not all the examples i showed is Madara reacted to gai everytime even putting up a defense while that was impossible against Sasuke. Gai speed alone was not the reason he disorted space it was the attack Night moth which Madara would have reacted to aswell if he had tsb.

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Madara puts his stick up but its to thin and nimble and gets bended by space to provide a decent defense if he had tsb Night moth would have been blocked.

Saying sasuke is faster on foot is just ridiculouss

Not its not at all

Minato gives kakashi full kurama and he solos.

Kakashi had like 5% of Hagoromo's chakra while Sasuke has 50% full kurama is 0 when added on

Sasuke still shits.

 

[Great Master Minato]

That doesn't sound right. Obito was not an idiot and knew how FTG worked. There is no explanation on why he was still trying trying to warp Minato despite knowing that Minato could theoretically just teleport back. Except there is one: Obito was confident that Minato could not escape the dimension by just warping to one of his kunais in the real dimension, which had to have been for a reason.

Also, wasn't it said somewhere that Minato has the be able to feel the chakra of the mark to be able to warp to it? I doubt he could do that across dimensions.

I didn't say Obito had no intel on FTG, having insignificant intel isn't the same as having no intel.
The fact that Obito was shocked when Minato used FTG Lvl2 on him shows that Obito didn't have full intel on FTG & its capabilities.

 

[EZQ]

OMG unorthodox i'll rape that post in a while.

U finally reached my retarded debaters to avoid list. But anyways i'll reply in a while.

 

[Unorthodox]

OMG unorthodox i'll rape that post in a while.

U finally reached my retarded debaters to avoid list. But anyways i'll reply in a while.

Who are you again?