[Discussion] Is Christianity Moral...?

[shelke]

Morals are like pants: Men wear them when they need to, and they kinda come and go through fashion and seasons. Religion and politics are like shirts and underwears. Same principle applies, really. The only thing matters is which colour coding goes well with pants as self-interests and projection goes.

It's ALL Man. There is no such thing as morals.

 

[ComplexCity]

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I clearly see this is getting nowhere fast so I'll play along since you don't know anything of the origin of morality. I just have a few questions for you because I really don't have any interest in continuing


1. What was considered right and wrong? If we were born with the ability to tell right from wrong (in this case, our ancestor evolving to the point of us knowing). How was right and wrong established if we did not know what was right or wrong? Neanderthals were supposedly cannibals which was a part of survival, hence making it moral but know it is immoral. You yourself stated that we don't even fully know what is right or what is wrong.


2. If morality is subjective what makes ones morality better than the other? Don't say the majority decides because that is irrelevant seeing how everyone will never have the same opinion

3. I eliminated culture because it is honestly irrelevant. Morals are what established order for the culture to be present and keep order to maintain the culture. So once again, if two groups of people from different cultures and have it out at each other's morals. How can we say one is more moral than the other?

 

[ComplexCity]

You explained your reasoning, I debunked it. So now you have no reasoning to support it. gg.

Ok, so show me two people of the same gender reproducing since you debunked it

 

[LustyLover]

Ok, so show me two people of the same gender reproducing since you debunked it

I debunked the "logic," or more like lack thereof, making your point moot:

Infertile men and women also can't reproduce, so reproduction argument is a fallacy, unless you can reason as to how people who are infertile having *** are also deserving of an eternity in hell

Are you done yet?

 

[ComplexCity]

I debunked the "logic," or more like lack thereof, making your point moot:

Are you done yet?

I guess I am, no reason to discuss views with someone different in beliefs I will never change how I think about Christianity and nor will you. In the end times, we'll see who's right and who was wrong though

 

[LustyLover]

I guess I am, no reason to discuss views with someone different in beliefs I will never change how I think about Christianity and nor will you. In the end times, we'll see who's right and who was wrong though

Don't care much about your silly view, just the logic behind it, which failed horribly ofc :/. And the fact that you want to be right about something like Hell proves the sadistic nature of many Christians. Bye.

 

[ComplexCity]

Don't care much about your silly view, just the logic behind it, which failed horribly ofc :/. And the fact that you want to be right about something like Hell proves the sadistic nature of many Christians. Bye.

Nothing sadistic about the truth. Actions have consequences just like they do irl buddy

 

[Multiply]

If we were born with the ability to tell right from wrong (in this case, our ancestor evolving to the point of us knowing). How was right and wrong established if we did not know what was right or wrong?

Experiences... Similar to my analogy with the baby. Morality is a behavioral instinct.

Neanderthals were supposedly cannibals which was a part of survival, hence making it moral but know it is immoral. You yourself stated that we don't even fully know what is right or what is wrong.

Making it moral for them in their perspective. In our perspective it's immoral.

2. If morality is subjective what makes ones morality better than the other? Don't say the majority decides because that is irrelevant seeing how everyone will never have the same opinion

When did I say someone's morals can be better than another persons? The fact that it's subjective makes people think that they are more moral than others. A Christian thinking he's better than a Muslim, or a Muslim thinking he's better than a Jew.

The vast majority decides the moral code for their society which is in the form of laws.

3. I eliminated culture because it is honestly irrelevant. Morals are what established order for the culture to be present and keep order to maintain the culture.

Shared experiences form culture.

So once again, if two groups of people from different cultures and have it out at each other's morals. How can we say one is more moral than the other?

Objectively you can't. Subjectively you have to use your opinion.

 

[ComplexCity]

Experiences... Similar to my analogy with the baby. Morality is a behavioral instinct.


Making it moral for them in their perspective. In our perspective it's immoral.


When did I say someone's morals can be better than another persons? The fact that it's subjective makes people think that they are more moral than others. A Christian thinking he's better than a Muslim, or a Muslim thinking he's better than a Jew.

The vast majority decides the moral code for their society which is in the form of laws.


Shared experiences form culture.


Objectively you can't. Subjectively you have to use your opinion.

Which goes back to my other question. We do state that which is immoral which is why we have laws to regulate as such due to people's opinions. So like I said before, who are we to say that one's morals is moral or immoral? If morality is subjective why do laws exist?

 

[LustyLover]

Nothing sadistic about the truth. Actions have consequences just like they do irl buddy

You think there's nothing sadistic about having someone tortured for trillions of years on a loop for consensual ***? LOL. Actions have consequences in real life, like fines, limited jail time with humane measures set up etc, but none of them compare to an eternity.

 

[Multiply]

Which goes back to my other question. We do state that which is immoral which is why we have laws to regulate as such due to people's opinions. So like I said before, who are we to say that one's morals is moral or immoral? If morality is subjective why do laws exist?

Because people share similar morals. Do you think if we put everyone in Iraq in the US everything would be alright? No. Because our morals are different. Americans don't think it's okay to treat women like second class citizens. There would be fighting until the majority can reach some sort of agreement. Then the minority will be seen as the 'bad guys' until their mindset it changed.

 

[ComplexCity]

You think there's nothing sadistic about having someone tortured for trillions of years on a loop for consensual ***? LOL. Actions have consequences in real life, like fines, limited jail time with humane measures set up etc, but none of them compare to an eternity.

I don't think there's anything wrong for stealing food from the store if you're hungry. It doesn't matter my prediliction, it's against the law. Same applies. Free will is given for a reason, but there are consequences for actions done

 

[ComplexCity]

Because people share similar morals. Do you think if we put everyone in Iraq in the US everything would be alright? No. Because our morals are different. Americans don't think it's okay to treat women like second class citizens. There would be fighting until the majority can reach some sort of agreement. Then the minority will be seen as the 'bad guys' until their mindset it changed.

So what you're saying that right and wrong essentially based on opinions and is nothing more than concepts and limits in which we created from our minds right?

 

[LustyLover]

I don't think there's anything wrong for stealing food from the store if you're hungry. It doesn't matter my prediliction, it's against the law. Same applies. Free will is given for a reason, but there are consequences for actions done

ComplexCity thinks infertile people who have *** should be burned alive confirmed.

 

[Αizen]

So honestly, what is this videos point?