Because we didn't know how gravity works, we didn't just know the effect of valence electrons, we didn't just automatically know that 2 hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom make water. Take out culture and what is morality? Like I stated previously, have two groups of people whose morals differ on equal ground (meaning the culture in your words) and whose moral would be immoral and whose morals would be moral?
Because you have to learn those things. Morality isn't something that is learned. It's an instinctive behavior(I swear I've said this at least 3-4 times now).
Morality isn't static, as I said earlier. Which automatically means separate cultures will believe different things. It's completely about perspective when you're talking about who is right and who is wrong.
By your logic racism and slavery was perfectly moral back then (especially in the south) and black people were the same animals they were said to be when brought over here. The culture and perspective of America is not the same in every state. For example, I know in one state you can get fined or even go to jail for swearing over a dead body, which goes back to my original question in my first response
In the perspective of slave owners and supporters in America it was moral. Then they also realized how horrible it was and it became immoral.
You're looking for minute differences in culture for absolutely no reason. Disagreeing with someone's moral code doesn't mean the end of the world. That's why we have representatives in each state to portray how the majority of its state's voters think.
And once again, what happens when culture is eliminated what is then consider moral if the majority cannot agree? Don't understand why you're saying that it matters about culture when it subjective to every persons. Who are we to tell someone that their morality is wrong? It doesn't matter about the majority because no one person will ever agree with every same subject
Why is culture being eliminated? You're just looking for a way to nitpick morality by making it seem hypocritical, which it is. You act like I said culture was the only way morality exists. Motives and emotions also shape morality and how one perceives the world around them.
There is, but it's your belief not to believe in one.
Someone doesn't like atheists. :bdpf:
"I assume" and speaking about a subject you don't have all the facts on does not help your case. I can sit and tell you the morals of the bible, why they are moralistic and the effects as to why they are there. You implied that the first civilization of man basically lived by the same code, which means everyone at that time had the same culture, yet have no proof that everyone agreed on what was considered moral and immoral, whether or not morality
You don't use your brain. Having the same moral code does not mean the same culture. Conversely even having the same culture does not mean having the same moral code.
IE; My neighbor who has the same general background as me could think murder is fine which I disagree with morally. Some stranger from India might think murder is wrong and I agree with that morally.
I never once stated sharing morals with someone means you have the same culture as them. It simply helps. It's the same concept as when you're trying to make friends. People that have more in common with you(Similar culture) will probably be easier to befriend. That doesn't mean you won't make friends with someone who has a completely different culture. It just means it'll be harder to find things to connect to them with.
Yet America exist on such a foundation
Completely untrue. You don't know American history well enough to make that assertion.
No I'm a Christian, which I am stating for a 2nd time. The bible isn't studied like it's suppose to be because people don't take the time to go back to the origins. Hebrew words have different meanings so most of the ones and most of their text printed out today are inaccurate.
You can be a Christian creationist. Creationist means you take your holy text to be 100% literal. As in Adam and Eve, Jesus floating on water, etc.
So why do we give punishment based off what we feel is wrong if we don't know exactly what is right or wrong?
Because the majority have agreed that is immoral and should be punished. I explained this.
Ok, let me flip the question then. How do we know what was considered right and wrong morally if morality is subjective? Please don't say we just knew because in the case, everyone at the time and even now would have the same morality
It's very simple. People decide what is moral and what isn't. Ever meet a new friend and later find out that they do things you don't like so you decide they can't be your friend? Similar to that.
The fact that morality is subjective perfectly explains humanity. People with similar morals, ideas, experiences, and motivation grouped together to start civilizations. One nation might think one is immoral while that nation thinks the other is immoral. Objectively you could say neither are immoral or moral, but unfortunately we live in a subjective world where everyone has an opinion. The things I listed above shape how you form an opinion.
So now we're going to play dumb? My question to you to which you kept saying my question kept changing
Then preceded to say that I am asking question that aren't making sense when you are just not reading. It was a simple question. I don't know why you're posting the first question I asked when I am well aware. That wasn't relevant to the point though
I answered that question in your spoilers several times the same way. Even where you quoted me I answered it. You're either not using your brain again or are simply not accepting my answer.
You're asking for when a behavioral instinct originated, and you still don't see how stupid that sounds?
"I think" is not good enough. Everyone who doesn't agree with homosexuality is not a bigot because with your said logic, you'd be a bigot for not agreeing with the morality of the Jihad. The whole nation doesn't agree with homosexuality because the morals differ
It's not that I don't agree with the morality of Jihad, I simply don't agree with the morality of murder. That's a shared opinion in the US thus is seen as a standard and people who go against that standard are odd. The current standard in the US is that gay people can do the same as straights because they are no different. Disagreeing with that makes you odd because you're going against the standard.
I get what you're saying though, but you're delving entirely too deep into the psychology of humans for me to even remotely care.
So if it's behavioral and dependent on culture, prove everyone had the same morals at the point in time where we were one culture since we just knew
Who said humans were just one culture at any point? Who said everyone at some point had the same morals? I said they had similar morals which allowed them to work together. They had similar experiences, similar motivations, and similar abilities that allowed them to flourish into what we have today.
You've got to be joking.
Of course I wasn't being literal, I'd thought you'd pick up on that. I don't go to the park and say hey, I found some intelligence exp, this isn't a RPG. When I said find, I meant gained because we do not just know things or how to do them
I agree, we just don't know things, but we do just do them. Do you think a baby knows how to cry? Do you think a baby has full control over its emotional range? They're behavioral instincts that aren't controlled by humans. The simple fact that we are intelligent to the point where we can share our opinions allows us to share these thoughts.
Do you completely control your breathing when you sleep? Did you learn how to breathe while sleeping? Or did you just start doing it. :lol.
(Edit) Re-read and I'm going to need you to elucidate because I'm not getting your point
You said we didn't kill and say, "Hey this isn't right" or, "Hey this is wrong". Because we didn't know.
I implored you to think from the perspective of a baby. Does a baby say this is wrong or this is right when it flings its food across the room? No, its mom or dad does. What does that become? An experience. What do experiences(Among other things) help build? Culture... Brain blast!!!
You're acting like the first humans were just wandering around in the world and all of a sudden one day they were like, "OH SHIT BRUH THAT'S WRONG... WAIT... THEN WHAT'S RIGHT?"
People with similar morals, ideas, experiences, and motivation grouped together to start civilizations.
No duh subjective more or less is what dynamic means, nobody is debating that. You don't make any sense because if morality is subjective and those people then decide what immoral, another person could have the reverse moral and immoral beliefs thus creating a paradox. If everyone has a different set a moral views and we are suppose to accept them who are we to say what one considers to be moral to be immoral? There is no need from you to derail and tell me that it is subjective and dynamic because I already know this. I'm only asking you the bolded
Perspective you idiotic mother f*cker. Morals vary.
I mean they were, and then you expanded and separated the question and I'm just answering them all
Condense. I tried.
Half of that might not make sense, I just woke up. I doubt I'll respond after your next post though, this is pointless.
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